Pink sway package purchased - just a few questions :)

[Krupa]

Hello!

I purchased your pink sway and I’ve been taking the supplements
Question is does any of those reduce chances of conception ? Including the LR and cranberry for my husband ?
I want to avoid taking anything that may reduce chances of conception so I thought I would ask before he starts to take them (I’ve started mine - but can stop if changes reduced with any)

Out of the all your recommended supplements which of those of you had to take would you most recommend?
You mentioned in another thread to avoid peppermint tea as it sways blue and i have just started to drink the tea (should I stop ?)

I also am super healthy, do intermittent fasting (so already skipping breakfast) exercise almost everyday and BMI is what you have recommended
Do you still suggest I change my diet around ?
I am vegetarian, lentils/beans salads and some main lunch dinner meals
Nuts as well. Odd occasion we have something unhealthy..
but I wanted to know if this was ok to just maintain?
What does a boy diet look like because I not sure if that’s what I am doing..

I received your pink sway package is there anything else we are meant to receive or do ?

I am taking calcium, magnesium, fibre, peppermint tea, baby aspirin and cetirizine for when I get EWCM, folic acid
I’ve got replens ready
Opks started and got the hang of already.

Thank you

I never thought I would be following anything but I want a girl so badly so let’s give this my all xxx

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. I would have you guys drop the vitex, saw palmetto/peppermint tea, LR as they all will cut odds of conception. They don't work well anyway (particularly the LR). I keep them in that basic plan for the people who want them but if I had my druthers they would not be used.

I am having people stop the peppermint tea not because it sways blue (if I wrote that it was a typo, so if you recall the thread I'd love to correct that) but because it's been seeming to prevent conception for people and mess up the cycles of many, many more and it hasn't worked well anyway.

If you're super convinced on pH stuff then keep the aspirin, if not I'd drop it as it hasn't worked and does have a lot of side effects for people.

I do still recommend you change your diet to some extent. Your diet does sound already quite pink friendly so I'd continue the basics of your diet just as it is (same types of foods) but try to stick in the limits of 1500-1800 cals a day (not counting cals in any low carb veg, which are free and unlimited), 40-50 g protein and 30-60 g fat (not counting any protein and fat in fruit and veg, they're free for protein and fat with the exception of beans/legumes - count cals and protein - and avocado/olives - count fat and protein) Nuts are fine, count everything in them though

A boy diet would look more like eating a big breakfast, midmorning snack, lunch, afternoon snack, dinner, bedtime snack. They have much more protein and fat intake, more calories, and focus more on animal fat/protein than vegetable. Also they eat fortified foods more often and take prenatals. your diet is nothing like a boy diet at all.

I would love to help you get your girl in any way I can! Just let me know how I can help!

[Krupa]

Thank you so much for your reply.

So I will cut out the peppermint and LR
Continue with the fibre, folic acid, mag and calc
Husband cranberry

TTC has failed for a few months - (I have really long cycles around 40 days so each month is really slow when tracking - like it is never ending and then when you get a BFN the thought of going through another 40 days again, my husband tells me I’ve chosen this attempt so it will take longer then the normal
Method of just trying to conceive loads during my fertile period but with one boy already I know I am not far away from swaying girl if I just continue with your plan
However if I were to go for a second attempt when would you suggest it ?
So in total trying 2 attempts rather then 1 I think after this month of trying and no luck I will have to increase my chances - husbands losing his patience and I am tired as well and losing my patience too but just not telling him that! Ha!

I’ve also tracking my foods so Reducing my protein intake as I know when training I always try and increase my protein - so thanks for that!

Also worried alcohol will reduce chance of conception so should I stop this too ?
Go for just Diet Coke?

Thank you again
It really is wonderful you manage to reply to every thread


Lots of Love

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok so just to repeat this back to be sure I'm understanding - you guys have been TTC loads in the fertile period and not getting pregnant? And you've been trying for some time?? If you've been trying for several months I would drop the cetirizine and the jelly as well.

If you have been not getting pregnant, rather than doing abstain or FR (which cut odds of conception) what I would do in that case is to switch to the every 4 day method plus one more attempt now. After your period ends, have unprotected sex every 72 hours and also take OPK, and then at the first positive OPK have another attempt whenever that falls, while still continuing to have the e4d/72 attempts until you're sure you've ovulated, even if that means going all the way through till next positive OPK. This will ensure you have 2 good attempts in the fertile window. What often happens is that people end up either starting their BD so soon that by the time their egg shows up, they have little to no chance of conception (because their husband's sperm count is depleted) or else they BD at the wrong time of the month so even if they're having sex, they miss the egg. By doing the e4d plus one you are certain to always be in a position to catch any egg that shows up. Do be aware this is less pink friendly than some other methods, but if you're really ready to get pregnant it will help with that much more so than having lots of sex at the possibly wrong time will. Let me know if you're not ready to go quite that far yet and I have a more compromise solution.

I doubt the alcohol is the issue here and it does sway pink, so I'd be inclined to have you leave that in for now.

[Krupa]

Thank you again for your reply!
To correct myself we have been trying however with only ONE attempt using OPK - this is my 4th month trying (it's because my cycles are so long it's becoming draining) but only last month following your dietary and supplements (before I was doing the baby dust method where I was only attempting to aim for a 2-3 day cut off) - so last month I did 1 BD on positive OPK like your sway package has suggested inc supplements (diet has always been good- but now I am tracking my protein and fat)

Your above method I am happy to try maybe next month if this current cycle fails again - I have just finished my period on cd7 and predicted ovulation is on CD28 (could change as my periods are irregular)
What is your compromise solution?

I will not use Replens (if that is what you mean by jellies?) and take anti histamine (are these strong swayers? )
Aspirin is not giving me any side effects so I am okay with taking it as well
I will drink my glass of wine a day (Not complaining about this! :):)



Thanks again - I still cant believe how you manage to respond to my messages and all others!!!

xxxx

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh yes the Babydust Method is quite low chances of conceiving. I regularly have people show up here having spent a year trying that way and not conceiving, and since the book's only been out a short time that's really saying something.

Compromise would be to go for one attempt at positive OPK (using abstain or FR as you prefer, or even not doing that at all and just skipping frequency totally) and then after that, go to e4d to guard against delayed ovualtion. More people miss months because delayed O than early O, and that way you'll be covered in case your egg drops late.

I would leave the supplements out at this point.

Skip Replens and antihistamine, neither has worked and both cut odds of conception.

It's my pleasure, I really appreciate your purchase! Let me know if you need any more help!

[Krupa]

Do you mean e4d for the next cycle ???

So one attempt at positive OPK this cycle
Then if no luck then e4d?

Sorry just to clarify as wasn’t sure if you meant straight after the positive OPK

Thank you xxx


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[atomic sagebrush]

No, that's not what I'm saying. I am saying in the very same month, have one attempt at positive OPK and then immediately afterwards, start doing e4d method. That way if your ovulation is delayed or you had a false positive and then ovulate later than you think you will, you will still be covered and won't miss a month. Most likely you'll ovulate at the first positive OPK and will have the benefits of that, but if not, you at the least will not miss the entire month.

In future months we would go to e4d all month before and after pos OPK but for now this is the compromise

[Krupa]

Okay
We will try that this cycle

Having another BD 4 days later would that sway boy at all ?

Or still pushing/swaying for girl the compromise method ?

Thank you xxxxxxx


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[atomic sagebrush]

It will still be one attempt because if anything was left from the previous attempt, that sperm would already have fertilized the egg before the next batch of sperm can capacitate and make it to the egg. So we believe e4d sways pink as much as one attempt, and are accumulating the data to show that. So far we are getting quite good results with e4d so although we don't have the data to prove it sways as much as one attempt just yet.

[Krupa]

Hi atomic

Thank you for your reply -my brain is over thinking everything.

You suggested the compromise solution above - but what if I had delayed ovulation at say 3 days later and I bd on that 4th day (after the first positive opk) wouldn’t that sway for a boy?
If that makes sense ?

Could I attempt one BD earlier on fertile days and then one on positive OPK
(I know this will reduce changes of girl sway but by a lot ?)

I can’t help but think that the e4d solution would sway towards a boy after I may have ovulated :/

I know the best option is only ONE BD on OPK but also want to just try improve chances of conception with being very very midly pcos, irregular periods and v long cycle.

I know eventually if none of these work I will go for your last option for the e4d from last day of period to just try and get pregnant

Thank you
I’ve just told a friend about your method and she is going to look at purchasing your package too!


Krupa


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[atomic sagebrush]

No, it doesn't sway for a boy because timing does not work. If you want timing, you are not going to be able to do e4d. Timing has been completely debunked by numerous scientists. We know Dr. Shettles was wrong, we even know how and why he was wrong, and most of us on here have 2-3-4 or more timing opposites. The full scientific case about timing is here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

It is not a good idea to add an attempt (since two attempts DOES sway more blue than one) to preserve timing because timing doesn't work. If you want to do timing, that is up to you, but I BEG you don't add attempts but keep timing!!! You're trading increased chances of blue for preserving something that does not work at all!

I am completely fine with you not going to e4d yet. I offer it because you asked me how to boost odds of conception, but it is always your call to make if you do that or not. As of right now we have 14 of 18 people get girls with e4d (that's 77%) and 210 of 305 get girls with one attempt (that's 69%) so while I have much more faith in one attempt (since it's more tested, a larger sample size, and more obvious in our stats that it has worked for people) I am not finding that e4d sways blue at all since our results are not showing that.

[Krupa]

Thanks atomic
You are a super star !


Still waiting patiently for my opks to give me signs of ovulation occurring soon

I use both the cheap ones that can detect the negative to medium to positive and also the clear blue fertility- flashing smile to solid smile

Do you know anything about these tests?
I am a flashing smiley face for the last 3 days but my other strips are very lightly on the medium ends - know how many days between a flashing smiley to a solid smile you can get on average? I still have another week that I am expected to ovulate so not sure if it’s approaching soon - of course il test twice a day too.

As I know a flashing smile is generally due to rise in oestrogen xx


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, I know about those kind of OPK.

What time of day are you testing?

Most people get 2 days of flashy, then go to solid (peak). But it is possible and not even particularly unusual to get several days of flashy before a peak reading (nor is it unusual to go straight to peak with no flashy).

What cycle day are you??

[Krupa]

Well I am CD 16 and my cycle days range from 35-40 sometimes even 45
Last cycle i ovulated on cd 22 But really inconsistent each month (but definitely do hit peaks) just very irregular

My first boy was a complete miracle/accident as no testing and one time hit who knows when and what part of the cycle! So not this stressful at all!


Can flashing smiley face can go longer than a week before it hits peak
Is that possible ?


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[Krupa]

Sorry I test my FMU and evenings before bed

Hardest thing about doing afternoons and late evening is urine being more diluted not sure how I can get through the day without drinking water!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, occasionally people can go up to a week with flashy smiley.

Did we discuss having you switch to the alternate diet?? May I ask what your BMI is?

You are testing with OPK at exactly the wrong times of day. After lunch is best, though the Clearblues are ok to use with FMU. Testing before bed is going to miss the time of day when the hormone is most concentrated in your urine.

In many cases you will still get a positive even if you've been drinking water because the hormone is so concentrated in the early afternoon.

[Krupa]

Ok
Il change the timings of my tests! Good to know!

My BMI is around 20.8 so roughly 21

No alternatives for diets Has been discussed
I am fairly healthy
Atm just keep close eye on level of fats and proteins and calories within 1700
Not tracking massively as I know after intermittent fasting two meals won’t make up that much calories
Only thing I’ve changed is taking out my shakes and high protein and fat meals

Would you suggest something else due to my irregularities?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Have you lost much weight so far??

The trouble with not tracking is that it's really easy to cut back too far and end up not getting enough fat. I'm concerned you may not be eating enough fat. I am not sure you need the alternate diet at your weight but I do want you to use full fat dairy only, no skim, starting right away to be sure you're getting enough fat.

[Krupa]

Hi atomic


I’ve maintained my weight for a long time
Probably lost a kilo if that

After my 5 days of flashing smiley I got my peak static smiley

However my strips are medium (not positive)
Recommend we BD or wait for positive
Il be measuring every 3-4 hours anyway

No CM and not taking any supplements apart from fibre and folic now So it’s weirds I got no discharge

After bd at positive il be bd every 4 days - after ovulation ?

Didn’t expect to see static smiley till next week!

Il increase my fat intake as well

Thank you


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[atomic sagebrush]

oh no I only just now saw this, have attempt!! Go from first positive of any brand. BD if you haven't already!!

Definitely do go to e4d after this since you don't see CM just in case this is a false positive.

Good luck and pink dust headed your way!

[Krupa]

Hi atomic!

Yes we did BD but perhaps 3/4 hours after seeing static smile in hope to get a darker Test on the strip version (a positive)

However we found instead it was lighter (even the first one wasn’t a positive - it was a medium so almost hitting peak) is this normal?
I just tried another test again and it’s the same (lighter) does this mean I peaked at medium ?

The clear blue was flashing yesterday evening and static this morning so that was a definite positive but comparing to my strips it’s super odd. Have you heard seen/anything like this?



Would this still sway girl ? As still only ONE attempt.

Regarding every 4 day method
Is it from when I BD or from expected ovulation (so tomorrow?)
And isit just the once or till I get my AF/end of cycle?

So nervous I hope I have not messed this up - all this reading about timing/attempts and dieting let’s pray for pregnancy and pink dust

Thank you for always replying and being so helpful x


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[atomic sagebrush]

The strip OPK are a bit hit and miss in terms of results. It may have been that your urine was more diluted, it may have been the test was much less sensitive, it may have been that it was positive and the test was just a bit dodgy. Yes, I see this all the time and that is why I have you guys go at the first peak of ANY brand rather than wait for tests to be in agreement.

The Clear blue will AUTOMATICALLY go to a static smiley so you can't know for sure if that was legitimate. Definitely do e4d now if you're open to the idea. Base this on your attempt you've had and go til when you are CERTAIN you have already ovulated. If this means you have to go all the way till next cycle begins, so be it.

[Krupa]

Hi atomic

So we are going with the every 4 days after ovulation

I wanted to ask you a question not sure you’ll know this but I am still testing and checking my LH anyway I am using both sticks and clear blue
My sticks are showing a consistent low level lh everyday not going down or up- my clear blue however are flashing smileys - every day twice a day - what does this mean ?
I may ovulate again ? Does that mean I am still fertile and I am 4dpo?

I am so confused and my irregular cycles and light peak for ovulation has made me so confused and now this happens!

Thank you
I’ve googled it and can’t find any answers


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[atomic sagebrush]

The Clearblues are not reliable after ovulation. You should stop using them after you O.

You cannot ovulate again after ovulation has occurred.

What can happen, though is that you surge, but not ovulate. Then your body will surge again and ovulate perhaps with the second or even third surge. So if you're 4 DPO you will not ovulate again, it's impossible to ovulate again at that point if you already have.

But the unfortunate thing with the Clearblues is that once the test THINKS you have ovulated (goes to the static smiley) it's unusable for the rest of the month. Only the cheapies are reliable to detect a second or third surge

[Krupa]

Hi atomic

Something weird is happening
So after I got that positive on clear blue and also a weak peak on strips
(I BD and then did the 4 days)
So randomly I started getting discharge, each day changing for it to be clearer and clearer now it’s EWCM
Did a test this morning positive on the clear blue and the strip is darker - likely so not positive but dark..

Now I am confused because from my previous results I thought that I had ovulated maybe I hadn’t?
In the last 5 days I have BD twice - so I not now ?

Gosh I’m sorry my body is playing games and this hasn’t happened before :-(


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes it is entirely possible you are about to ovulate.

What I would do is if it has been 72 hours or more past your previous attempt, have another attempt. If it has only been 24/48 hours since the past attempt, wait till the 72 hour mark and attempt then.

[Krupa]

Hi atomic

How are you ????


after my new peak and pretty sure I ovulated I am on 5dpo
Out of your own knowledge and experience I wanted to ask you

Isit normal after 5dpo to get nausea and cramping ?
Nausea started today but cramping (plus shooting pains on right side post ovulation)

Surely the pains would go away by now and it’s definitely not period cramps
I had thick creamy discharge few days ago as well..

Any idea this could be early signs of pregnancy?
I know that implantation generally takes place after 6-12 days so just wondering if anyone else would have experienced it and got a BFP

Not getting my hopes up but can’t help but to think what’s happening

Thank youuu

Also sticking to intermittent fasting as advised by your pack up to 7 dpo


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, could be signs of pregnancy but 5 DPO is quite early for that.

It could be that you ovulated sooner than we thought and are further along, or it could be tha the symptoms are simply related to Clomid and not pregnancy.

yes please stick with diet till BFP in case you aren't pregnant. If you are, it's early enough so you don't need to eat more till after positive pregnancy test.

[Krupa]

Hi atomic

So I didn’t get pregnant!
After all that and 40 days later my cycle starts again. (Such a long waiting game)
So this time round we are going for the every 4 day method
Can you just explain this a little more ?
Do I start on the last day of period or 4 days after my period and then till I’m sure I’ve ovulated ?
You say to do this and one more attempt at positive opk - would this still be even if it every 4 day bd was the day before positive opk ?


Any forums I can read/ follow on the above method ?

I am still Doing intermittent fasting and didn’t give that up even after I thought I was pregnant but was snacking a bit and working out but low intensity yoga etc
Not exactly put on weight but I don’t feel as clean as I normally do - will this still be okay for girl sway ?


I’m drinking lots of decaf tea
Is this okay ?

I’m only taking fiber now and husband cranberry.

I don’t take any other medicines either just mildly pcos.


Thanks atomic xx


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[atomic sagebrush]

Start on the day after your period ends and have unprotected sex every 72 hours. Continue on with this till you're sure you have ovulated, even if it means going all the way through till your next cycle begins.

I am not seeing where I told you to do e4d plus one more at positive OPK. I usually give you guys a couple months of e4d before we add the positive OPK attempt, can you show me where it was I said that (I'll look thru the thread again too). There's info all over the site about e4d, so just ask me whatever you are curious about and I'll tell you what the consensus is.

Regroup on diet now but as long as you haven't gained weight it's ok to try. I would not have you drink any tea even decaf. There may be something in tea that sways blue even though we don't know what.

[Krupa]

Thank you for such a prompt reply-

I think you mentioned in a thread before as I wanted to get pregnant as I wasn’t getting pregnant - you gave me two options the compromise solution and then the e4d with one attempt.

I will start the healthy eating again and drop the tea.

Fingers crossed I still sway girl the above but the positive opk one attempt isn’t working..
Or I am just losing my patience
Who knows!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. I'd prob do either the compromise or the e4d straight up to start with for 2-3 months and then if you don't get pregnant at that point add an attempt

[Krupa]

Hi Atomic

Been trying to read forums to find answers so I can stop bothering you!

Basically you do every 4 days or every 72 hours ?

So say I BD on sat morning when would my next BD be?
I know it sounds so silly but I’m reading 72 hours or 4 days..
4 days would be after the 72 hours right?

Thanks in advance!


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[atomic sagebrush]

It's fine, I'm happy to answer as many questions as you have. i'd rather answer questions than wait for you to not understand something and answer questions after everything has gone wrong, LOL.

72 hours and 4 days are the exact same thing. We call the METHOD "every 4 days" (meaning having regular unprotected sex all cycle, just far enough out to get pregnant, but still ending up as one attempt in the fertile window) and then within that overall category, we have two ways of doing e4d - in the 72 hour pattern or in the 96 hour pattern.

I know this seems confusing. Some people think 'but every 72 hours isn't every 4 days' - but the way many people count days, it actually IS. So you'd have sex Monday (1) Tuesday (2) Wednesday (3) and Thursday (4). Other people thought there had to be 4 FULL days between sex (every 120 hours) Then people think "why don't they call that every 3 days and the other one every 4 days and every 5 days or whatever" but it's because I could never be sure what people were talking about. If a person was counting days one way and calling that every 3 days, and then another person was using every 4 days to refer to the same exact thing, it was just too confusing, and often I didn't find this out till people had gone on some months doing the wrong thing. Some people were even having sex every other day thinking THAT was every 3 days, and that pattern may be boy friendly.

When I used just the numbers of hours, people STILL got confused thinking that there was some magic to the precise number of hours rather than the DAYS. People were messaging me distraught over 75 hours or 69 hours when that doesn't matter. So we decided to call the METHOD e4d to stress that it's the day that matters, and then give two options for number of hours to help people understand how specifically to count the days.

[Krupa]

Hi atomic


I have a question for you if that’s ok

So we started every 4 day method and we bd on Friday night so next day to bd would be Sunday night.

It’s cd 16 for me today and I randomly got a positive on my strips (according to my 40 day cycles this is like mega mega mega early) so I wasn’t expecting it.
So my ovulation will most likely be tomorrow.

Should we bd today on positive again ? Or leave it and do tomorrow as per the e4d?? Would that then put me on boy territory?

I hate my cycle as I honestly was not expecting so so early (luckily i even started testing as I was confident it would be around cd 23-26)

Thanks


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[atomic sagebrush]

Friday to Sunday would be 48 hours, right?? (though this depends on what time of day you had sex Friday and then what time you had sex Sunday) I would count your next attempt to be due Monday.

Many people who have long cycles see their cycles get closer to normal range on LE Diet. This may be a good sign for your sway!

If you are in a hurry to conceive, you can add another attempt, but honestly I'd just stick with the e4d since we've only been at this a short time. But that's really your call to make based on how much you need to get pregnant soon.

You can't be in "boy territory" as long as you don't have too many attempts. Keep in mind timing doesn't sway (so if Sunday is O Day, having attempt that day would not sway blue) but number of attempts DOES, so if you were to have an attempt Friday, Saturday Sunday, and then O on Monday, that would be more blue friendly than just attempts Friday and Monday, if that makes sense. This doesn't mean you shouldn't do that if you're in a huge hurry to get pregnant, but just trying to explain that the thing that matters is not the day the attempt falls on, but the number of attempts in the fertile window.

[Krupa]

Thanks atomic for your prompt reply!

So we did not BD yesterday as today is my 4th day (so scheduling it in for later on tonight)

Today is also according to my opk would be ovulation day as well as I peaked yesterday.

So that would be:
1. Tuesday: 1 bd (10pm)

2. Weds

3.Thurs

4. (1) Friday: 1 bd (time of bd was 11.30pm)

2. Saturday

3. Sunday: positive opk (last month I had a false positive and peaked again 6 days later)

4.Monday: ovulation day-plan is to BD today (time late evening)
That’s two attempts in fertile period right ?


Should I just avoid today keep it as 1 and hope for the best ? Or perhaps bd in 4 days and not today to cover related ovu


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[atomic sagebrush]

No, it is not 2 attempts in the fertile period. Because if you ovulate Monday, IF (and that is a BIG IF) there is anything left over from the Friday attempt, it would have fertilized the egg before the Monday shot could capacitate and make it to the egg. And if there isn't anything left from Friday (which is likely since sperm going that long is much less common than people realize) then the Monday attempt will have time to fertilize the egg.

No matter what, it is always one attempt.

You are going to have low chances of conception going from Friday all the way thru Monday. I urge you to have another attempt today because otherwise you risk missing the whole month.

[Krupa]

Hi Atomic

After a long time I am
Back! We have had trouble with conceiving with e4d but also because I’m getting many false positive opks - last month I eventually got what I think may be positive as I got my period 13 days after on cd 31 - tracking 3 months before that it was between 21-26.

Anyway somebody told me it’s because I am doing IF that it’s messing up my hormones and delaying my ovulation.. (being pcos too) all my bloods including the fertile hormones came normal and I’ve got scans coming up.

Can I do IF and have milk with coffee ? I was doing black coffee with 15-16 hour fasting ? Or give this up now ? I am worried it’s making my cycles longer - I’ve also decided not to fast as much as I was losing weight so I’m trying maintain now and eating more healthier carbs.

I have a doctor friend who has given me clomid which I am nervous about taking - will it be okay - is it a popular thing people are using? I haven’t had any scans to start it - do you need scans to start it ?

I know it sways girls and better chance of twins - so don’t mind :-)


Thanks so much - really may let go of swaying and just try now but thought I’d message before I completely let go of the idea of having a little girl- as long bubbs is healthy and I fall pregnant at the end of it!

[atomic sagebrush]

Please don't "let go of swaying". We have tons of tricks and methods to use to help you get pregnant, please don't hesitate to ask me to help you. I would so, so, so much rather hear from you even every day than to get advice from people who don't know what they're talking about, get things wrong, and end up with you way off track.

Can you please explain more about OPK? Why are you still doing OPK with e4d (it's fine to do that, I was just wondering what your reasoning was). How were you doing the e4d?

While doing too much fasting CAN delay or even stop ovulation, generally speaking for those with PCOS it is beneficial. If your hormones are in normal range and not too high or too low, the odds are the IF is not harming you any. But let's rule that out - can you tell me how many calories you're eating and how many grams of fat?

And let's shorten the time of the fast, it's fine to make it only 12-14 hours overnight.

How many meals are you eating?

Clomid is GREAT both for pink and for conception. While there is a somewhat higher chance of multiples (8-10%) it is a safe medication and has been around for over 50 years. Millions of babies have been conceived thanks to Clomid.

If you've just had your period you are ok to start it CD 3,4,5. If you haven't just had your period, it is best to have a scan so you don't start it at the wrong time of the month. Otherwise we'd need to wait it out and start it either CD 3, 4,or 5.

Is there anything else you guys are doing that may be cutting odds of conception? Douching, jelly, frequency pattern, shallow release, is your husband doing or taking anything? Even things that seem minor like peppermint tea can make a difference.

I can absolutely help you to conceive while still keeping some sway tactics going (and probably conceive way faster than if you dropped swaying and tried on your own, to be honest) But I need you to get in contact with me so I can help!! PLEASE don't worry about bothering me, I would love to help.

[Krupa]

Hi atomic

Your message was absolutely amazing - just by reading it I felt hopeful.
Thank you for this - I am forever greatful

When you say how was I doing e4d - it was day 7 (after my period stops) and then every 4 days till I was sure I had ovulated. I was doing opk so I could see when I would actually ovulate (more for just keeping note of my cycle)

I have stopped counting calories/fat but I can start again. I think I was eating within the recommended amount - what is the calorie for pcos.

I eat some nuts when I break fast with a coffee and then I generally have lunch which is either. Lentil based salad or sandwich on most occasions and then dinner. If I get really hungry in between that maybe like a orange or some sort of Heathy type of snack (rice cake and humous for example and another coffee)
Then dinner which is generally either ranging from lentils to eggs to certain Indian foods (carbs, dairy and protein in there - prob more carbs right now)
I have a habit of something sweet after dinner so I find some piece of chocolate or smal biscuit with a decaff drink :-)

I think I can probably start counting but I found it hard work and stressful monitoring it all everyday and it’s been so long I’ve been doing IF now.

I exercise 30-45 mins and they are generally HITT based workouts (if I use weights they are not heavy -I reduced the weight of this once I read your package) is this okay ?

Generally though I’m pretty healthy and maybe on the weekend we eat out and eat more calories then I would in the week.

My pcos cycles vary between 39-49 days-

I started the clomid on day 6 is that okay?

I only take fibre supplements and folic acid
Husband doesn’t take anything apart from cut down on his meat (im veg)

When we bd it’s always missionary and I generally jump and dump. I stopped the jellies etc.
Any other sway tactics?


Thanks again so much

Krupa






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[atomic sagebrush]

Were you doing the every 4 days in the 72 hour pattern (not those hours per se, but that's how you count the days) or in the 96?

I hope you continued the e4d even after you thought you had ovulated. that is a very important part of e4d.

The alternate diet still has the same number of calories - 1500-1800 cals for most, a large minority needs to go up to 1800-2000 (very tall, nursing, people with high metabolism), and a very small minority goes down to 1200-1500 (petite, slow metabolism, people who have plateaued, some who have a large amount of weight to lose and don't lose weight on 1500+). Always start off higher than you think you need, and we can always reduce over time. Don't start off too low and then have to increase cals if you can avoid it.

There are two reasons why it is beneficial to count. One is that you need to be sure you're eating ENOUGH. People assume that the LE Diet is just like starving yourself but that is very much not the case. It's just the lowest healthy/normal pre-pregnancy diet. We don't want you guys to go below that not only because it's not healthy for you or for your pregnancy, but also because you can delay or even stop ovulation, then you'll have to basically sway blue just to get your menstrual cycle going again.

The other reason is that if you have PCOS, if you aren't tracking and making sure you're eating a decent ratio of protein and fat to calories, you can end up eating too many carbs and aggravating your PCO-tendencies, both making it harder to conceive AND undermining your pink sway. So it's important to be sure you're getting 50-60 g protein and fat a day with a certain number of calories to ensure you're not going overboard with carbs.

Since your cycle is a little longer it is fine for you to start the Clomid CD 6 though most people should not start it any later than CD 5 (just in case anyone else was reading this!)

How long after intercourse are you jumping and dumping?

[Krupa]

Hi atomic,


Okay I will start monitoring again from tomorrow as you mentioned- aiming for 50-60g of fat and protein!

We did 72 hour frame so technically speaking every 3 days! That is the correct way I assume ?

I was wiping off with a tissue and then run to bathroom to dump.

I’m on day 5 of clomid 50mg so let’s hope i ovulate earlier this month !

Got a scan of my ovaries in November so that’ll tell me more as well

Anything else You advise for girlmsway ?

Regarding supplements shall I increase my fiber after every meal ?
Thoughts on Calcium and magnesium ?
Thoughts on husband taking cranberry ?


Thank you


Xxxx


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes that's right, every 72 hours. We still call that e4d because many people count it as day 1 (attempt) day 2 (skip) day 3 (skip) day 4 (attempt).

Let's give it 5 or even 10 minutes before getting up and dumping.

:agree: FX Clomid is helpful! It practically always is!

No need to increase fiber, let's ahve you take it about 30 minutes before eating though.

I don't think cal-mag do anything (I got 4 boys with calcium, gave it up to get my girl) but it's your call to make. Just be sure you don't take extra Vit. D with it.

Is he taking Olive Leaf already?