Trying again after failed sway in 2017!

[MOMMYto4BOYS]

I believe our failed sway was due to lack of changes. I only did the LE diet for a very short period of time.

I am 26 and DH is 28

We currently have 4 sons (10,6,4,2)

I've gone over this with my husband and he is very iffy about the idea, but still willing to try. He knows so badly how much I long for a daughter but he thinks if we try it will be another BOY!

This is what we're doing currently. Not sure if we should change anything. i figured some of this is probably not that important, but i am trying to do things as different as possible from when my boys were conceived.

DW
-LE diet (I am at my highest weight ever, 5ft 2in 135lbs normally 118lbs, I have room to lose weight)
-Skip breakfast, NO SNACKING (my biggest problem)
-less salt intake (since i'm a salt lover)
-new addiction to coke zero (never drank any type of "diet drinks")
-cardio every day, usually running a mile (I have always been a couch potato!)
-currently on BC pill (plan to stop month before trying)
-added calcium, Mag, Fiber sups (never took any type of sups before)
-Wasn't a drinker before but thinking about adding some wine into my day (does it matter which kind?)


DH
eats way less red meat than before, if any at all
eats salad for lunch every day
changed to tight boxer briefs
trying to get cardio in (not sure if this matters?)
He works a sit down job.
needing advice for things he can do that can be beneficial to the sway


OTHER
Plan on 1 attempt
thinking about Rephresh or using a lube (never used before)
plan on hot showers before attempt
wear Rose quarts bracelet all the time
himalayan salt lamp
lavender diffused at night
and to put my mind at a little more ease, the chinese gender predictor was correct for all my boys, so I plan to try when it says GIRL lol
what makes me feel worried about the sway is the fact that I only have a right ovary (i know this theory has ben "debunked" but a little part of me feels like i can never have a daughter because i dont have a left ovary)

[atomic sagebrush]

It's getting kind of late here - I'm going to try to keep this open to answer later on, but if I accidentally close can you please give me a bump?? Thank you!

[MOMMYto4BOYS]

Thank you atomic! Will do :)

[MOMMYto4BOYS]

It's getting kind of late here - I'm going to try to keep this open to answer later on, but if I accidentally close can you please give me a bump?? Thank you!

Bumping :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you SO MUCH for your patience!!

Since you have 4 boys my inclination is for you to do the alternate diet here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html It's a bit harder to stick with but I do think you will get better results with it. (Just skip the info about PCOS and scroll down to the alternate diets)

Salt has really not seemed to sway and most of us gave it up (and our results are higher than ever) but if you feel you can do it without getting too "control freakish" (since being a control freak does tend to sway blue) by all means have at it.

How long are you doing cardio?? Try to get 60 minutes even if you can't do it every day. the number of minutes (even if walking, walking is fine) seems more important so even 4 days a week at 60 minutes will help more than, say, 20 minutes 7 days a week

:agree: coming off BCP will help your sway

Cal mag are at your discretion. I believe they sway blue and got 2 boys with them, then gave them up to have my girl, but I understand it's hard to walk away from them without trying. I am MUCH happier to see you guys do cal mag supps (without added Vitamin D) than ingesting tons of dairy foods (loaded with fat, protein, calories) so if you must do the mineral stuff, just take the supps without eating gobs of dairy. :agree:

Whatever kind of alcohol u like, they have all worked

:agree: cardio for DH, especially jogging and biking, have been shown in studies to sway strongly pink. One of the few things actually proven by science!

Would he be willing to take olive leaf extract or drink soy milk?? Does he smoke?

The Chinese Gender Calendar is junk but at 26 you have the time to play around with it if you want to.

RepHresh doesn't work, but fine to give it a whirl as long as you drop it before adding attempts. One attempt has been quite effective so we want to ditch everything that doesn't work and cuts odds of conception first before giving up the one attempt.

Rose quartz, lavender, salt lamps don't work but don't hurt anything

We have had many people on here who got girls from their right ovary (both naturally and via IVF rounds...trust me, if side of ovulation made a particular gender, we would know that thanks to IVF by now). I promise you can get girls without a left ovary!!

[MOMMYto4BOYS]

I tried reading into the alternate diet but I am having trouble understanding it. Is this a no/low sugar diet? 50-60 grams protein, 30 grams fat, 1200 cals?
what kind of foods do i avoid. also should i stick with white bread or wheat, regular pita bread? is yoplait light okay? or I'm needing whole dairy? Soy milk?

I will up my cardio. I'm at 20 min a day running, I will add a walk in the evenings.

DH used to run with me, I will have to get him to start running with me again.

for the OLE do we need liquid form/or capsule? how many mg and how often?

i can drop the cal/mag. Should i take any supps?

DH drinks a lot of water. He does enjoy smoothies which i usually use whole milk, so I think I can use soy milk in the smoothie instead. Would this be okay?

DH Does not smoke.

thanks so much for your response, sorry for all the questions. I was really consumed into the LE diet, that I am just a little confused on changing to alternate. lol

[MOMMYto4BOYS]

Bump

[atomic sagebrush]

Sorry, I replied to this but it didn't post for some reason! Thanks for bump

I'll give you the nutshell version:

1500-1800 calories for most people
50-60 g protein
50-60 g fat

You do not count protein and fat in fruit and veg, and you count NOTHING in low carb veg, they are free and unlimited.

Whole grains ONLY. No white refined grains (though I do allow white pasta if you really can't stand the whole grain, and some people use white rice in moderation if they don't tolerate the brown stuff)

You need to use full fat dairy ONLY. No Yoplait light or other skim dairy products.

Soy foods I prefer you guys stick with 2-3 servings a week as we are not sure how they sway. Hubby can have soy milk 12-48 oz. daily.

OLE - whichever kind he'll take. If you use liquid have him follow dosing guideline on the bottle. If dry leaf, 500-1000 mg daily till BFP and then gradually wean off.

WE are using fiber and folate or folic acid only for DW.

Yes that's fine for DH to continue drinking water and having a smoothie, if you can get the soy in there, great.

[MOMMYto4BOYS]

Thanks for the reply. I think I can figure it out now :wink: just curious if we should be watching our carbs and sugar?

[atomic sagebrush]

If you stick in the limits on protein, fat, and calories, and then do whole grains vs. white, avoid skim dairy, and don't eat any ADDED sugar you do not need to worry about carbs or sugars in foods. That stuff takes care of itself on the alt. diet.

[MOMMYto4BOYS]

Is one Coke Zero a day okay? I’m not sure if this will mess with blood sugar levels at all. What about products labeled sugar free? Is there a thread here about blood sugar so I can understand it better? Thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

Is one Coke Zero a day okay? I’m not sure if this will mess with blood sugar levels at all. What about products labeled sugar free? Is there a thread here about blood sugar so I can understand it better? Thanks!

Anything with no or very low cals is fine between meals. I like you guys to keep to 2-3 aritifical sweetened products a day but you can absolutely have coke zero every day.

Can you explain what it is you're not understanding about the blood sugar?? As long as you stick to the basic diet you dont' need to worry about blood sugar, it will take care of itself.

[MOMMYto4BOYS]

So other than the 1500-1800, 50-60 g protein, 50-60 g fat
Are we trying to keep our blood sugar lower?

I have always been very Carby and lots of sugary foods.

Are chickenless patties okay?

Im also running into the problem of barely meeting my fat limit. Protein seems to be easier to meet. I noticed some popcorn 8grams fat 2grams protein. Is this a good option to up the fat? Is there anything other than popcorn with higher fat?

[atomic sagebrush]

Don't worry about your blood sugar. Just do the diet as written and your blood sugar will take care of itself. You do not need to do or worry about anything else other than following the diet. I mention blood sugar only to explain how it probably works but that's not some other thing you then need to deal with.

:agree: especially if you have a history of carbs and sugar eating when u got your boys, you need to follow that alternate diet as much as possible.

Yes, meat replacers are ok but do keep an eye on them as they are hugely carby. Some people on the alternate diet end up having to actually add small mounts of meat back in to avoid eating a lot of carbs. (you will know if you need to go this route if you're gaining weight on the alternate duet. Otherwise don't worry about it.)

The popcorn is fine but I would have you switch from low fat items to full fat (I want you ONLY on full fat dairy, no skim dairy), adding in butter or margarine, cooking oil, mayonnaise, salad dressings - all great ways to get fat and calories without much protein or having to "EAT" a lot, if that makes sense. The drawback of popcorn is that you're going to have to chew up a lot of it, and sometimes people get sick of eating things that require a lot of chewing, if that makes sense. Sometimes it's more helpful to have a bit of mayo in your sandwich or cheese on top of something or salad dressing wth your veg to get that fat instead.

[MOMMYto4BOYS]

Do you have reasoning for OLE for DH. He’s kind of curious. He has also opted to go vegan without even knowing it will help our sway! :cheer:

[atomic sagebrush]

Excellent! I believe in vegan diets for pink (for hubby) wayyyyy more than OLE (which I am not sure does anthing at all).

The story behind the OLE is that briefly several years ago we had an IVF doctor who claimed they had some revolutionary method for getting a better gender split for IVF patients who wanted girls by having the husbands take OLE. She claimed she was going to publish a study about it. So some of our IVF people started using it, and they seemed to get good gender splits. At the same time, I was playing around with alternatives to the harsher sperm supplements for pink swayers whose husbands couldn't use them for a variety of reasons. OLE is better for sperm health so we started to use it.

Well, at first, we got good results, but even as we were getting good results, the IVF results seemed to drop, and I realized something about their results - they simply kept trying till they got a good gender split. So some people were having great success after only one month, others were on the OLE for several months before they finally got a lot of girls - but they always equated the success to the OLE even if it was immediate or had taken 9+ months! It occurred to me that what was likely happening was that these couples were just cycling till they got a girl heavy cycle from luck and then stopping and this was making the OLE look more effective than it really was.

So I took another look at the results with swaying. Everyone I was giving it to were people who had some issue - they weren't conceiving, the hubby had health problems, or low sperm count, or they were over 40 that kind of thing. Everyone I was giving it to was coming into their sway probably already more set for pink anyway. So I predicted as more people started to use it, that the results would drop, and in fact, they did and now OLE is not getting any better results than swaying as a whole (even for those who did not use OLE).

And, the doctor never published her study anyway that I'm aware of.

So, long story short, the OLE was kind of a rumor, we tried it, seemed to be working at first, then it became obvious it was a quirk of stats, and while I still keep it around for those who want to use it, I no longer think it does anything.

[MOMMYto4BOYS]

Just checking in :) diet and lifestyle changes are going great. My husband happens to be enjoying a lot of vegan meat replacement options. I’ve noticed they all contain soy. Is this equivalent to if he were to be drinking a glass of soy milk each day? I hope he isn’t overdoing the soy is what I’m getting at lol.

Also, should I avoid the foods with soy? I’ve pretty much been eating similar to my husband. Just staying within my limits for protein/fat/calories

I also wanted to mention I am struggling to see any weight loss. But I’m curious if it could be the birth control I am taking. I have gained over 10 lbs since starting it. My diet is very low carb and I am just maintaining my current weight.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes the soy foods are equal to the soy milk. I say soy milk just because we have better compliance with that. He can keep on doing just what he's doing unless he has any underlying medical issues or infertility problems.

I generally have you guys limit soy to 2-3 servings per week for you yourself. This is because there is mixed data on how soy might sway for DW. Personally, I think it sways pink, but others say blue, and we just don't have enough hard evidence to know for sure. So I have people keep it to a reasonable dietary intake to be on the safest side.

Birth control is notorious for causing weight creep, but please give me a rundown of what you're eating and I'll see if there's anything we can tweak. :)

[MOMMYto4BOYS]

Thanks for your reply! I didn’t realize I had a notification here. My husband has gone completely vegan. But more so because he wants to lose a little weight. I however just don’t eat meat, but keeping the dairy and cheese in my diet since it helps me keep the daily protein/fat limits for my sway.

Some of the products I’ve been eating. I usually alternate items or come up with different meals like stir fry, etc. and just mix it up a little. I have no clue what else to eat.

Homemade ranch w/ whole milk and mayonnaise
Mayonnaise
Margarine
Vegetable oil
Whole milk
Whole milk mozzarella
Eggs/Hard boiled eggs
Gardein brand “chicken strips” 6g fat/13g protein/ 4g carbs
Morningstar veggie burgers 4.5g fat/ 11g protein/ 9g carbs
A few other Morningstar and gardein products but they’re all similar fat/protein/carbs as the ones I listed above
Lettuce salads
Fresh and frozen veggies.
Sometimes I will use whole grain rice or whole grain bread. But I’ve also noticed My weight is just not changing at all not going up or down anymore, even if I cut out nearly all the carbs.

I told my husband I want to stop birth control to see if that’s the affecting the weight loss. And he says it’s too risky right now lol. We aren’t planning our attempt until January. I’m sure I’ll get this figured out at some point.

I’m also going to be upping my cardio soon, since my kiddos will be starting football next week, gives me extra outdoor time when they’re at practice. Hopefully that helps some

[atomic sagebrush]

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Do you have totals for the day of fat, protein, and calories?

What is your BMI now?

Can you guys use barrier birth control?

:agree: yes more exercise would be a good place to start.