Pink Sway Plan - TTC in three weeks, what douche to use? Please help

[pinkpink24]

Hello All, new member here. Looking for some advice.

This is our baby #2, Planning for TTC in three weeks and started doing the below :
1. Daily recommended Cal and Mag supplements + 2 glasses of milk
2. Tested PH last cycle : 3 days before O = 4.5 - 5, 12 hours after O = 4 - 4.5. (Used PH testing strips). This makes me believe in TTC on O+12. Rather than Shettles, even though I believed in Shettles a lot prior to testing it out.
3. Great Value Sugar Free both myself and DH : AF-O
4. Cranberry Pills both myself and DH : AF-O
3. On O+12 day, planning to take Sudafed PE 1 hour before BD.

3.Question : What should I Douche with for O+12 ? This is my biggest concern. My PH is already optimal but DH semen PH would be > 7. Should I use Rephresh or Replens before/after sex? How about a lime tampon.

5. Anything else I should be following?

Any help would be appreciated!! Desperately trying for a girl and really praying hard my sway works!!

PS : Myself and DH are 31 years old. We both only want a girl and are in no hurry to conceive, so ready to try only cutoff/O+12. I am ok if we do not conceive at all but very set on somehow swaying pink successfully.

Thanks in advance :)

[BunnyGirl19]

Do not douche. It’s unhealthy and doesn’t help your sway. Have you read through any of the forums and topics on here for swaying pink? What you are outlining for your sway aren’t recommendations from this site. The most important thing you need to do for your sway is to follow the LE Diet. There are some pinned posts on the diet details in this sub forum.

[pinkpink24]

I did and I read not to use any type of sway tactic other than number of attempts which I plan to. We only plan to BD once on O+12.

I will be on LE diet starting today for the next 20 days, but from what I have heard, the diet is mainly to regulate PH (correct me if I am wrong). Since my ph is optimal for a pink sway, would I still need to be on the diet?

The reason I am doing the other things is to tip the odds in my favor as much as possible.

[BunnyGirl19]

PH is irrelevant and not believed to sway. The point of the LE Diet is to decrease calories, fat, overall nutrients. Your body goes into “declining condition” thinking times are hard, and this is what is shown to sway girl. Because you are trying to put your body into a decline you should avoid taking vitamins or supplements, basically any source of highly concentrated nutrients.

[atomic sagebrush]

1)While there's a lot of mixed evidence about cal-mag, it's fine to take it in supplement form provided that you are using JUST cal mag and not mixed in with lots of other nutrients, particularly Vit. D. Vitamin D has been a strong blue swayer for us

I would have dairy within the limits of fat, protein, and calories ONLY. Dairy has tons of nutrients in it that sway blue and you should not have unlimited amounts of dairy on any swaying diet, even the mineral ones, because it has a lot of sodium and potassium in addition to cal-mag.

2)pH doesn't work. It is normal and natural for your pH to rise around ovulation. This is true for all people both those who conceive boys and girls. The full scientific case against pH is here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

Timing also doesn't sway. Dr. Shettles was completely wrong about his beliefs, died over 20 years ago and stopped working many years before that, and scientists using modern technology have proven that 50-50 boys and girls are conceived on every cycle day. https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

O+12 timing also does not work, and is based on a single study that had math errors in it and only two people who even got pregnnat with that timing (allegedly) https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/35539-no-12-a.html

This doesn't mean you can't use them, if you want to. Just that I want you to know going in that these tactics aren't worth the trouble they cause at all and you can't rely on them to do anything for your sway. Most of us on this site, myself very much included, have numerous opposites with minerals, timing, and pH stuff. I got two boys taking cal mag supps, 3 boys with timing, and 1 of my boys testing pH like a madwoman and 4.5 pH that never rose till after I was already pregnant. I gave all that up with my girl, the lowest dairy intake of my life, no calcium/magnesium, sex just prior to ovulation and didn't bother to test pH at all.

3)While I no longer believe artificial sweetener sways pink and large amounts may even sway blue for some people: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/44710-hypothetical-aspartame-thread.html that's at your discretion

4)I would just give the cranberry to your husband. Cranberry is not safe to take AF-O because you're taking a high dose of blood thinners then stopping them suddenly. This makes your blood go from very thin to very sticky right when a baby is possibly trying to implant. I would suggest taking 81 mg aspirin instead (5x a week, give yourself a couple of days off per week) all cycle long and at BFP gradually wean off by spacing doses further and further out till down to one per week, then you can drop them. That having been said in our results neither cranberry or aspirin worked at all with the same number of people getting girls with and without them, and were associated with more miscarriages.

5)Please do not mix cranberry or aspirin with Sudafed. Sudafed plus blood thinners has been linked to the type of stroke with bleeding in the brain in young women. If you must use Sudafed in your sway give one to your husband instead as men seem to tolerate it better, but only if he doesn't have high blood pressure and is not on any other medications.

6)We have not found the jellies (or douches) to work and they really cut odds of conception hugely. It's fine if you want to use them to start with though but you need to pick between douching OR jelly, not both. Mixing douche and jelly can cause your pH to rise when the jelly tries to compensate for the douche. To use RepHresh, use it as per package directions every 3 days starting after your period ends and going through till your attempt, trying to time your final dose 8 hours before your attempt to start, then over time you can stretch that to 12 or 24 hours to boost chances of conception. Then, in addition to that, you can use a generous fingertip full of Sylk or Acijel (NOT REPLENS)1 hour before attempt. I don't recommend anything after sex, but if you want you can add a dime-size dab just inside the vagina if you would like.

If you prefer to do splime/lime tampon instead I have directions here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/2598-how-do-tbm-why-you-probably-shouldnt-do-gender-swaying.html

7)Are you going to be exercising??? Cardio exercise 6-7 days a week, 60 minutes a day for 6 weeks or more prior to your planned attempt. What about Clomid or Femara, can you get those?? They add about 3-5% success rate to swaying and that's proven by studies. If hubby were to smoke and/or jog/bike these also have been proven to sway pink. Soy milk and foods for him may help your sway too.

I'd love to help your sway however I can! I do want you to understand that there IS no guarantee for swaying - even if you take years to conceive and do every sway tactic you ever heard of you can still get an opposite. I know many sites will lead you to believe that if only you do everything under the sun for swaying, you'll get a guarantee, but it isn't true, and even doing all these things there seems to be an upper ceiling of success rate set about 75% that we just can't seem to get past even with perfect sways. Just don't want you to go in expecting a sure thing when it isn't.

Good luck and pink dust headed your way!!

[pinkpink24]

Thank you Atomic!

1. My Cal-Mag supplements do not have anything added not even Vitamin D, so they should be ok I am guessing. And noted the timing and PH thing. They're something that I just want to do additionally.

3. Thanks for the warning on Sudafed and aspirin. I did not know aspirin sways pink. What if I were to not do Cran/aspririn in my cycle at all, and DH and I just did 2 Cran + 1 Sudafed 1 hr before BD? Neither of us have high BP / are on any other medications. And we will continue to take Crystal light everyday from AF-O to keep PH low.
Or Can we eliminate aspirin and cran altogether and just do Sudafed 1 hour before BD?

4. Regarding douching / Rephresh/ Replens - What if I avoided it all together? My ph on O+12 is quite low already, I am just worried about my husbands. Can I just used Rephresh/AciJel/Replens as a lube during BD? I am worried that I cannot pinpoint O+12 with Rephresh being in my CM. also, should I be testing out Rephresh prior to starting AF so I know how it reacts? Alsi I do not know where to buy Acijel, what's the alternative if I don't find it?

5. I have never considered Clomid/Femara as my cycles are pretty regular and would prefer not to mess with it. Will taking Clomid/Femara affect my cycles/ovulation? What is the recommended amount and frequency?

5. I will be skipping breakfast and doing rigorous cardio for the next three weeks. My BMI is 21 right now, and I usually only eat 1200-1500 calories a day. How much do I need to cut? Do I need 6 weeks of cardio as we plan to TTC in three weeks, Nov 6th to be exact.

[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: great, then fine to go ahead and roll with what you've got going with cal mag. Timing and pH are at your discretion, I just like you guys to be informed before making your decision!

Taking blood thinners and Sudafed is never a good idea for younger women. I can't recommend it because I don't want you to hurt yourselves. I would rather see you use JUST Sudafed and skip cran and aspirin totally. :agree: Your husband can take a steady dose of cranberry and then the one dose of Sudafed as men seem to tolerate it better.

I am a-ok with you skipping douche and jelly all together. They really don't work at all. I agree it's hard to tell your CM with the RepHresh (and douching) in the mix. But do be aware you can't tell O+12 from your CM anyway. That's really not a legitimate thing; many of us have EWCM for days after ovulation and waiting till it dries up can mean you miss O completely. Others have their CM dry up the day before O. It really does not correspond to O+12 the way people claim it does.

Acijel is available online. In America there is an equivalent but it's prescription only.

Fine not to take Clomid or Femara, it does sway pink though. Yes, it would likely change when you ovulate and your CM patterns too so if timing is important to you it might not be worth it. Most people take Clomid CD 3-7, 50 mg, but the way your doctor prescribes it is the way you should take it in most cases.

Stay at BMI 21 and that cal intake. I would limit protein and fat to 50-60 g each (not counting protein and fat in fruit and veg, and nothing in low carb veg, not even calories, they're free and unlimited, no need to count)

I would go ahead and start cardio now and if you don't get pregnant (and using timing and pH stuff, it will likely not happen the first month) you'll have longer on the exercise by the time you get pregnant.

[pinkpink24]

Thank you Atomic.

I have my final sway plan ready now. I tried rephresh out with mine and my husbands Cm and it seemed to drop ph almost immediately. Let me know how this looks!

Timing : O + 12
1 time only
Hot shower before bd
Sudafed PE both myself and DH
Check ph before BD, if > 4.5, half applicator before and half 5 mins after Bd to lower ph immediately. We may also use Rephresh as a Lube.

Diet/Supps
Me :
Cal and Mag Supps
LE diet, aiming for weight loss of 4-5 pounds
Crystal light 2 glasses daily , milk with artificial sugar containing aspartame 2 glasses.

DH :
Cranberry ( how much is the recommended quantity?)
Soy milk
Crystal light , coffee with aspartame sweetener
Anything else?

[atomic sagebrush]

It's not the type of sway I would recommend and I want you to understand your odds of conception are going to be quite low. If you're ok with that, then that's great, sending you tons of pink dust. Definitely check with me as the months pass, if you don't get pregnant, so we can fine tune what to drop and what to keep!

I would definitely NOT do shallow release or hot bath/shower because that will cut your odds of conceiving to nothing, I suspect.

[Yane85]

Hi Bunnygirl and Atomic! im doing the LE diet and taking folate. Im 35, my husband is 40. Next month I plan on doing one attempt at positive opk. I have been ttc September and October with no luck so far. I'm currently looking for a supplement to help me conceive faster and improve egg quality, but also it must be something that sways pink. I have regular cycles but I was looking into MYO INOSITOL. Can any of you give me some advice on this? Thanks in advance!

[BunnyGirl19]

Atomic could probably provide you better answers from a swaying perspective, but I can offer what my doctor recommended for me to help egg quality due to my age and medical history. My doctor put me on folate, CoQ10, and inositol for egg quality. I’m not sure if CoQ10 sways one way or the other. Inositol can affect your cycles negatively in some people and can also cause low blood sugar issues in some people. These issues are more likely if you do not have PCOS or type 2 diabetes. I’ve seen it considered to sway pink.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Bunnygirl and Atomic! im doing the LE diet and taking folate. Im 35, my husband is 40. Next month I plan on doing one attempt at positive opk. I have been ttc September and October with no luck so far. I'm currently looking for a supplement to help me conceive faster and improve egg quality, but also it must be something that sways pink. I have regular cycles but I was looking into MYO INOSITOL. Can any of you give me some advice on this? Thanks in advance!

Yane, I answered this in the other spot you asked it. I really think that since you already have regular cycles the myoinositol could possibly make your cycles LESS regular and I would not have you add it in unless you have one of the other conditions I mentioned in your other thread.

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic could probably provide you better answers from a swaying perspective, but I can offer what my doctor recommended for me to help egg quality due to my age and medical history. My doctor put me on folate, CoQ10, and inositol for egg quality. I’m not sure if CoQ10 sways one way or the other. Inositol can affect your cycles negatively in some people and can also cause low blood sugar issues in some people. These issues are more likely if you do not have PCOS or type 2 diabetes. I’ve seen it considered to sway pink.

:agree: anyone can take coq10. It's one of those supps that has a place in both pink and blue sways because of the different diets means the coq10 can just help whoever takes it (because blue swayers are always eating, they don't have to fear the "lowering blood sugar" effect of the coq10 and because pink swayers eliminate snacking and lose some weight on a lower protein diet they don't have the worry of "building muscle mass" that the coq10 can cause.)

[Yane85]

Hi Atomic, im sorry I didn't see your response in the other post! I will forget about myo inositol then and will begin taking coq10 today, I already have a bottle but wasn't sure if it could harm my sway. How many mg should I take? Thanks in advance!

[atomic sagebrush]

Unless you have some strong reason to think you have poor egg quality I'd do 200 mg max

[Yane85]

Unless you have some strong reason to think you have poor egg quality I'd do 200 mg max

Ok, the pills I have are 200mg. I could take one pill but one day on and one day off so that I don't end up taking 200mg daily.

[atomic sagebrush]

200 daily is fine. Just that's the most you should take unless you have some major reason to think you have poor egg quality (in that case we would do more different than that, but I feel like this is a just in case thing)

[Yane85]

Great, thanks for your help Atomic!

[pinkpink24]

Hi Atomic
Thanks for your suggestions. So this week is my ttc week and seems like I ovulated early. I got my Lh surge today at 2:30 pm pst and the clear blue test confirms with a smiley face. I also use test strips and Premom app, and confirmed that this is my peak.

My question is - when from Lh surge will I actually ovulate? I am planning to Bd 48 hours from now as my O+12 sway.

The reason is that, I am also tracking the moon sign for my sway. Per my initial calculation of O+12, it was falling into the girl moon sign. Now I ovulated earlier than expected so I would need to wait 48 hours from Lh surge to get into the girl sign. Would that be too late for O+12?

[atomic sagebrush]

You will ovulate anywhere from 8-48 hours, even sometimes as long as 72 after your first positive OPK. The idea that this amount of time is set in stone for anyone is a misconception unfortunately.

If you must do moon phases, that's actually my preferred way to have you guys do O+12. Just have the attempt 48 hours after the first pos OPK. Since it's average 36 hours to O, that will be the most likely to be O+12.

[pinkpink24]

Thank you Atomic! Very helpful.

We were able to get our attempt in ten mins after when the moon sign changed to Cancer. I think we might have caught O+17-18 but it could very well have been O+12.

DH had abstained for 14 days.

My ph was quite low already so I had half a dose of Sudafed only 2 hours before , and DH skipped the hot shower and had 2 cranberry tablets, skipped Sudafed.

We used a teeny tiny bit of KY jelly as lube coz I was really dry. I skipped refresh altogether because I was scared that we are already late and did not want to slow down the speed even further.

I really hope this attempt worked and I get a bfp but trying not get my hopes up.

[atomic sagebrush]

I would have your hopes very low for conception. That's an incredibly strict sway and I will be somewhat surprised if you conceive, though it's always possible.

[pinkpink24]

I missed my period today and yet got a BFN. Did not test with FMU. Feeling extremely nauseous all day long. Any chance I could be pregnant?

[atomic sagebrush]

If your period is late and you're getting BFN, you probably ovulated later than you realize. Did you have any attempts after the one you described above?

[atomic sagebrush]

^^^ or unprotected sex that you did not consider to be an attempt?

[pinkpink24]

No we only had that one attempt that I thought was O+18ish. I felt O pain on the day I thought I O’d, so I doubt my ovulation was delayed. If it was then I may have actually caught the egg then.

Today is Cd2 and no AF. I had a severe case of nausea and vomiting last night but I tied that to some bad food I ate.

Tested this morning with fmu and bfn again :(

So frustrating

[atomic sagebrush]

When your period comes late that means you ovulated later or may possibly not even have ovulated yet at all. There are 3 reasons your period is late - pregnancy, an ovarian cyst (rare) and delayed ovulation. If your period is late and you're not pregnant the odds are all but 100% you ovulated late.

Things like O Pains are really not reliable. You can have O pain before, during, and after ovulation. You can have O pains that go away and then come back days or weeks later and still haven't ovulated yet. They're just not always as helpful as we would like.

[pinkpink24]

I guess I ovulated late. I got my AF today.

What’s the least amount of sway I can do while ensuring I get pregnant? DH abstain + one attempt in fertile window do the trick? Anything I can add?

[atomic sagebrush]

The only things that have worked for us are LE Diet longer than 12 weeks plus fiber, coffee, and alcohol, cardio exercise 60 minutes a day, 4-7 days a week, one attempt, and Clomid or Femara if you can get them. Jump and dump ~may~ help though it really cuts odds of conception, so most of us do that after 5 minutes rather than immediately. For hubby, smoking (both regular and special tobacco, though special tobacco is less proven) and jogging or biking have been shown in studies to sway pink. Him increasing intake of soy foods like soy milk and even possibly going vegetarian or vegan may help. Olive leaf extract is said to help though I personally doubt it. Both of you should give up prenatals/multivitamins and highly fortified foods.

So when you're looking for things to drop, start with things like timing, pH (both jelly and douche), frequency patterns, herbal supplements, that don't work and cut odds of conception by a lot, and things that have never been shown TO work and cut odds of conception a lot like hot bath, tighty whiteys, shallow release.

Preserve the things that work as long as possible while gradually, over time, getting rid of the things that don't work.

[pinkpink24]

Ok, I am back this month and ready to try again!

I am on CD 12 today. DH has been abstaining since CD 3. Confused about when to do an attempt. Also diet and exercise have taken a backseat since AF due to some other stuff going on so I don’t have much of a sway seems like.

Still would like to try my best for a girl with whatever possible at this point of time.

Have not gotten a positive OPK yet may get one tomorrow. What do you recommend I do - do my 1 attempt at positive OPK with some Sudafed and jump and dump? Or my 1 attempt at O+12? I know timing does not sway as much but would like to do whatever possible now.

Anything else I can try for a pink sway now? How about Rephresh.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you haven't done diet and exercise then I suggest skipping the month. But if you just feel like you didn't do a good JOB on it, but still did some diet/exercise (or even just diet) then I would still try.

Timing doesn't sway AT ALL. Aiming at O+12 will simply cut odds of conception (and since it is not even possible to DO, and all the instructions they have on line are based around misunderstandings and outright lies about how natural family planning is meant to work, it means it is entirely possible to end up having sex spot on ovulation if timing is important to you). This is why I will never recommend O+12, and only recommend one attempt either at positive OPK or with a cutoff if timing is important.

But, since you have been off diet, if you really wanted to try but actually were HOPING not to get pregnant this month, if you aimed at a O+12 attempt then maybe you'd end up not conceiving at all, and could give yourself time to regroup on diet.

RepHresh hasn't worked for us either but it's fine to try it if you want.

[pinkpink24]

Ok I did my one attempt today, 2-3 hours after the positive OPK. I do not want to skip this cycle so decided to do my attempt. O+12 did not work for me last time and I had a super difficult time pinpointing O so I just decided to do it today. DH was abstaining for 10 days and I was taking cal, mag Supps. ph was low at 4.5 when I did the attempt. Moon sign changes to Girl sign tonight so my O will be right within the girl window. So hoping all this works and I get a BFP with a girl.

[pinkpink24]

Do you think I should do another attempt at O+12? Super worried that I may not get pregnant again this cycle.

Asked Dh to release this morning and do another release in a few hours. I think I O’d this morning-afternoon.

Is it safe to do an O+12 attempt just to maximize chances with Dh doing one or 2 releases today? Or will I just be jeopardizing my abstain + 1 attempt in fertile window?

[Yane85]

Do you think I should do another attempt at O+12? Super worried that I may not get pregnant again this cycle.

Asked Dh to release this morning and do another release in a few hours. I think I O’d this morning-afternoon.

Is it safe to do an O+12 attempt just to maximize chances with Dh doing one or 2 releases today? Or will I just be jeopardizing my abstain + 1 attempt in fertile window?Usually fot girl sway it's recommended just ONE attempt.
Good luck!

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[pinkpink24]

Yes but wondering what the harm is on doing an attempt maybe O+12 -16.

If I have conceived already, then it won’t matter.
If I have not conceived already, then this attempt may help me conceive. If PH is a concern I can use Rephresh or something. And Dh will release again before trying to cut chances of conception.

So really it’s just a very lean attempt with very less chances of conception, just to give me a slightly better chance at BFP.

Does that not sound like a good idea?

[atomic sagebrush]

Do you think I should do another attempt at O+12? Super worried that I may not get pregnant again this cycle.

Asked Dh to release this morning and do another release in a few hours. I think I O’d this morning-afternoon.

Is it safe to do an O+12 attempt just to maximize chances with Dh doing one or 2 releases today? Or will I just be jeopardizing my abstain + 1 attempt in fertile window?

IF it wasn't too late, you'd then have 2 attempts in the fertile window, and it would not be an abstain, either.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes but wondering what the harm is on doing an attempt maybe O+12 -16.

If I have conceived already, then it won’t matter.
If I have not conceived already, then this attempt may help me conceive. If PH is a concern I can use Rephresh or something. And Dh will release again before trying to cut chances of conception.

So really it’s just a very lean attempt with very less chances of conception, just to give me a slightly better chance at BFP.

Does that not sound like a good idea?

Let's say for the sake of argument the egg has just gotten released, and hadn't been fertilized yet. There are some sperm left over from the previous batch lying in wait, now the second attempt comes in. That's going to be two attempts.

It is your choice to make but for someone who seems to really want a strong pink sway I can't recommend it till you've at least tried a month or two with a viable chance of concepiton before adding attempts. (your attempt last time had no chance of conception)

[pinkpink24]

Ok I got it :) I did not do the second attempt. We almost did and then decided not to coz I don’t want to jeopardize my carefully planned pink sway. Just hoping I get pregnant this time as I had Bd in the fertile window!

[pinkpink24]

Ok so the two week wait is driving me crazy. I think I am 6 or 7 DPO and I know it’s super early! Just for the fun of it I took an ovulation test as I heard that sometimes OPKs detect pregnancy even before the pregnancy tests do. When I did that, I got a really faint positive. What does it mean?

[atomic sagebrush]

First of all, OPK do NOT detect pregnancy before HCG tests do. That's not true. You can only use OPK for a pregnancy test AFTER when HCG tests register, not before.

There is no such thing as a faint positive on an OPK. A faint line is NEGATIVE. It's only when the control line is as dark or darker than the test line that the test is positive. So if you're seeing a line on the OPK that is lighter, it doesn't mean anything.

[pinkpink24]

Oh thanks for clarifying that! I’ll just wait then, planning to do an FRER tomorrow morning - 8.5 ish DPO.

[atomic sagebrush]

FXFXFX!!!

[pinkpink24]

Well I got a BFN on an frer today. I don’t exactly know if I am 8 or 9 DPO. Going to wait for a couple more days before testing. I’m so bummed , I surely thought it had all symptoms last night - bloating, fatigue, cramps, nausea, shivers and my tea tasted funny too!

Maybe it’s too early. Last pregnancy, I tested 9 DPO and got a fainnnt positive, so let’s see!

[pinkpink24]

Frer today and evap line :( I’m so sad. I think I am 9 DPO today. But I had a long luteal phase last time (16 days) so AF is not due until next Thursday, so am I testing too early?43049

[pinkpink24]

9DPO evening, do you see anything? I feel like I see a vvvvvfaint line, 4305043051but don’t wanna get my hopes up.

And note - this is NOT FMU

[pinkpink24]

BFN FRER 10 DPO today :(

I think I am out and I am also done swaying so hard. Next time I’m going to give myself a proper chance at a bfp.

Atomic any suggestions for my next cycle?

[Slingers]

9DPO evening, do you see anything? I feel like I see a vvvvvfaint line, 4305043051but don’t wanna get my hopes up.

And note - this is NOT FMU

I don't want to mess with your thoughts, but I do see something here.

[atomic sagebrush]

Having a 16 day LP means you likely ovulated later than you thought. If the same happened this month, you may be earlier than 9/10 DPO and are too early for a positive test anyway.

[atomic sagebrush]

BFN FRER 10 DPO today :(

I think I am out and I am also done swaying so hard. Next time I’m going to give myself a proper chance at a bfp.

Atomic any suggestions for my next cycle?

I would focus on the thing you hate the most and drop that first.

[pinkpink24]

My period ends today which means I am in my next cycle of ttc. I was heartbroken that I did not conceive last cycle so I have decided that for me conception is most important and if I am able to get a girl by destiny, then great!

What type of sway will help increase chances of conception also? I have read about E4D as an option. How about BD everyday from tomorrow through O? Would that lower sperm count a lot?

I’m still on the LE diet and have lost quite some weight...

If I have BD everyday, then do I need to use refresh at all?

[atomic sagebrush]

DO NOT BD every day through O. That is immensely boy friendly and doesn't even boost odds of conception in many cases because sperm count is lowered so much before the egg arrives and the earlier batches have died off.

I would have you have sex every 4 days in the 72 hour pattern (not that number of hours exactly but that is how you count the days.) if you want to boost odds of conception to the max, then add in one more attempt at positive OPK as well but continue with the e4d before and after.

I would drop RepHresh as it doesn't work and really cuts odds of conception by a lot.

[pinkpink24]

Ok, this sounds like a good plan. How about cranberry, cal and mag Supps? I will cut rephresh. What can I use as a lube? Given amount of BD, would it make sense to keep PH low?

[atomic sagebrush]

I do not recommend cranberry and never have (even though I have the instructions on here for those who insist on it)

Calmag is at your discretion, as long as it doesn't have Vitamin D in it. Personally I think it sways blue and I got boys with cal-mag, but I understand many people still want to use them.

Keeping pH low kills sperm. It makes no sense to give up RepHresh to add in some other pH lowering lube. It is up to you of course but generally I'll have people use a very small amount of sperm safe jelly like Preseed. Larger amounts sway blue, so use the barest minimum possible.

[pinkpink24]

I did my attempt last week. Couldn’t sway much as I was on vacation. We BD’d Cd 8, 11,13 ,14 (positive OPK) and then added attempt on 15 (likely O day) and 16 early morning ( likely O+15 ish).

It was certainly more than I had planned but just went for it. Really hoping for a BFP this time which I think I care more about than the gender. I was really dry so used a very teeny tiny drop of Rephresh on Cd 11 and Cd 14 but did not use any on the other days. I’m hoping the LE diet will help with the sway and also the frequent back to back BDs.

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck and pink dust headed your way!

[pinkpink24]

Bfn at 12 DPO :(

Wondering what we’re doing wrong. DH and I got pregnant the first attempt with our DS three years ago. My period is like clockwork, we did an at home sperm count test for Dh and it came out normal. I get LH surges and ovulation pains every month on the same day. I am clueless now as to why we are not getting pregnant?!

[atomic sagebrush]

Did you keep the jellies?

[pinkpink24]

I only did on two out of the 5 attempts.l and that too a very very tiny drop. Did not do jellies on O day and O+ 16ish attempt.
Next time I plan to try Pre seed or conceive plus ..even though boy friendly. Do you think those would work? Should we avoid lubes altogether?

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, O Day and O+16 would not have high chance of success.

I would like to offer a compromise. Instead of going right to Preseed, I suggest you take a month without any of the jellies and see how that goes. I hate to see anyone go from using low pH jellies (which cut odds of conception hugely) right to Preseed (which may sway blue) without even giving it a single month trying without anything.

[pinkpink24]

Ok. Sorry I forgot to mention that we did not use jellies on O-2 also.

I think we can try that but I tend to get really dry at times and we have a need to them use jellies. But will definitely give it a try and see.

Other than jellies, don’t know if something else is preventing us from conceiving. Maybe we just BD every other day.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. In that case use a very small amount of Preseed or Conceive Plus. Just don't

Every other day is not that great a way to get pregnant. That's because you can end up with only good one attempt in the fertile window PLUS it's also blue friendly anyway. So it's like the worst of both worlds. You risk a higher chance of a boy plus you're risking only being in with one viable attempt (if you attempt O-4, O-2, and O-Day, the O-4 can be too early, and the O Day too late, and if you attempt O-5, O-3, and O-1, only the O-1 is for sure viable, the O-3 can be hit and miss.) I would have you aim at doing e4d plus one more attempt (no matter what this will always be two attempts in the fertile window) or else do SMEP which you can find here: https://spermmeetseggplan.com/smep-step-by-step/

[pinkpink24]

Ok..I think I will try the SMEP, I’ve been reading about it and it seems like it has a lot of success stories.

Few questions -
Do I only have sex at night? We were planning to in the mornings as I’ve heard that sperm count is better then.

Do we have to start at CD 8? I usually ovulate on CD 13. So that would mean we’d in CD 8, CD 10, CD 12, CD 13, CD 14, CD 15 and CD 17. Would the period between 12 and 15 be very frequent BD? Can I start the SMEP on CD 7 or 9?

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, SMEP certainly helps people get pregnant, though I do think it tends to sway blue.

You can have sex whenever you want. I don't think we see better rates of concepiton in the morning, and possibly worse since many people end up unable to have sex then due to family and work obligations. (my point is it's better to aim at having sex a time of day you can actually manage it than trying for something that you won't be able to do realistically)

You can start the SMEP pattern sooner if you want. That's fine.

[pinkpink24]

SMEP plan going strong - Bd’d CD 8, Cd 10, and CD 12... No positive Opk yet, I see that my ovulation strips are turning darker today, which means o expect to get a positive OPK tomorrow.

I had a lot of EWCM CD 10 and 11 but have dried up a little today. Not sure what that means coz ovulation is any day in the next couple days.

[atomic sagebrush]

It is a highly common pattern for people to have a rush of EWCM that then appears to dry up before ovulation. Totally normal and there is still going to be a lot of EWCM up inside where it needs to be. EWCM patterns are really not that reliable when swaying so I'd just rely on the OPK.

[pinkpink24]

Ok! Got my LH surge yesterday afternoon. Yesterday was CD 14 so BD yesterday morning just before LH surge and then today morning. Having Sharp O pains today so I’m pretty sure in O’ing today. Will do 1 more attempt tomorrow morning.
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[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck and pink dust headed your way!

[pinkpink24]

Thank you!!

LE diet is literally the only sway factor for me this time :(. No jellies, had a Big O every time we BD’d , BD pattern was boy friendly, moon sign changed to boy evening of O so not sure when I actually conceived, biorhythm was weak boy, full moon, Chinese gender chart also said boy. So I’m already thinking it’s gonna be a boy ������. But happy if I will conceive.

I couldn’t do 1 more attempt day after O unfortunately, but I checked my PH and it was like 3.5-4 and creamy CM so it was several hours after O anyway, so I’m guessing it wouldn’t have mattered. Here’s my chart - 43168

[atomic sagebrush]

The diet is by far the best tactic. The moon signs, biorhythm, Chinese calendar, etc do not work.

The attempt on the 12th is too early so that still is just two attempts.

[pinkpink24]

Ok.. are two attempts too less? Do I have good chances of conception? Fingers crossed for a bFp this time ):

[atomic sagebrush]

You can get pregnant with ONE attempt, let alone two.

Depending on your age you have an average of 20% conception in any given month. That's true for everyone BTW. This seems low when people hear it, but it simply means you'll get pregnant withhin 3-6 months of trying.

Good luck and pink dust headed your way!

[pinkpink24]

I had done a CD 3 AMH, FSH and E2 test and everything was normal.
Now I just had a CD21 pelvic ultrasound and they said it does look like I ovulated and everything looks normal.
The only issue they found was that the endometrial lining was only 6.9 mm and that’s considered thin. Wondering if this is why implantation is not happening. Feeling down now thinking I may not implant this time. I got progesterone blood work done today so should know in a couple days if it’s low.

Any advice on this?

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, if it happened this month that doesn't mean it will happen in the future or in the past.

Are you eating enough fat?

Could you have ovulated later than you think?? That's the most likely explanation, you Oed later on and your lining just hadn't grown enough yet.

[pinkpink24]

Could be possible, but unlikely as I am pretty sure I Od on Cd 15. Ultrasound confirmed O and I just got back Progesterone test results and they are at a good level- doc said it indicated ovulation and that I am in the middle of my luteal phase.

So far everything looks normal for me and DH - good Estradiol, AMH, FSH, Progesterone and pelvic exam.

Hoping this is the cycle for us ...

[atomic sagebrush]

If your prog levels are good then I'd not worry about that lining. The lining will grow more over time.

[pinkpink24]

That’s so relieving to hear! I’ll wait for a few days and test and keep you posted. Thank you 😊

[pinkpink24]

I think I got my BFP!!!! Here is a pic at 10 DPO. It’s really early so it’s a squinted but I can see that the line is pink and everything. 43190

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh YOWZA I definitely see it!

[pinkpink24]

I had some pink spotting last evening, I could see it when I wiped. Some pink tinged mucous.. it’s not there today though. But I took another test this morning and I see progression! So definitely still pregnant :)
I did have spotting once and bleeding due to a cervical polyp in my last pregnancy, so I know it happens but it got me worried yesterday.
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[atomic sagebrush]

Pink tinged mucus is no big deal usually.

I do see a darker line but try not to read too much into that at this stage. It's not uncommon for the lines to dance back and forth in darkness this gestation.

[pinkpink24]

Okay.. I will update you when we find the gender :) thanks for all your help here 😀

[pinkpink24]

6 week scan. Any ramzi guesses?
I asked the doctor where the baby was left or right and she said it was on top of the uterus and that’s exactly where we want it to be.

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[pinkpink24]

We’re having a boy :(

Thanks for all your help though, Atomic! I knew the risk we were taking by increasing our odds of conception.

I have posted on the GD and IVF forum if you could look and provide me some insight on IVF/PGD.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for updating us! Congrats on your new son!