Blue sway - mucas

[Kerry45]

Hi can I have some help please.

I've already had my period this month and normally I ovulate around 22nd or 23rd.. but i came on early this month. I had two days of watery and one day of sticky only little amount. I normally have the different discharge stages so this is when I know I'm ovalutiing but this month and last I've had alot less.

Why would this be?
Would this be due to the diet??

[atomic sagebrush]

The diet should help you be making MORE mucus, not less.

What supplements are you taking?

[Kerry45]

I'm only taking multivitamins the centrum brand folic acids and fish oils every 2-3 days as the dose was high. I havent yet started taking probiotics as I couldn't find the right one so still looking.

I have noticed it's much less than before.

[atomic sagebrush]

Drinking green tea?

[Kerry45]

No green tea at all.

All I drink is normal tea with milk 2 or 3 times a day, lemon water, coconut water, apple juice and orange juice and water.

[atomic sagebrush]

It shouldn't be from the diet, but let me know what you're eating and I'll tell you what to tweak.

[Kerry45]

Ok thank you. So drinks already mentioned.

Oatmeal (rolled oaks here) for breakfast with honey almonds raisins and walnuts. Other cereals are all wheat based shredded wheat.
Bread is wholemeal seeded
Lunches eggs adding spinach mushroom cheese sometimes with bread, tomotoe soups. Left overs pastas chicken etc..
Dinner normally chicken or red meat sometimes cod fish, pasta pizza homemade chicken and mushrooms leek pie with vegetables. Try add chicken in every meal.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hmm, that seems possibly low in fat, how much fat do you think you're getting?

[Kerry45]

What foods would you suggest for the fat? I can try to add these in.

I do have cheese, butter for food mainly cooking also eat alot of nuts almonds walnuts etc. Also only have dark chocolate when I want something sweet.

[atomic sagebrush]

4-6 eggs a week, avocado, keep going with the cheese, butter, and nuts. Oily fish like salmon 2x a week and olive oil is also good too.

[Kerry45]

Ok great I will try all these things. Thank you.

Also I've heard alot about cough medicine before doing attempt? Do you have any thoughts on this?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, I recommend guaifenesin starting 5 days before you expect to ovulate and going 3 days after. DO NOT use the kind of cough medicine with any other ingredients, though as they may sway pink.

[Kerry45]

Ok I have bought one already I can show you a picture of it to make sure it's the right one.

Also how much folic acid should I take? I've notice that centrum has 300ug in it and I also take seprate tablet which has 400ug. Is this too much combined?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes or just list the active ingredients.

I like blue swayers to take at least 1200-1600 and if you're doing green tea, Ural/baking soda drink/COT (which I do not recommend) then up this to 2000. Take this all thru the first trimester, then gradually wean off by spacing doses further and further out till down to one per week, then you can drop them

[Kerry45]

Is that 1200-1600 of folic acid??

The ingredients is 100mg/5ml syrup guaifenesin each 5mg contains 100mg guaifenesin also says contains ethanol, glucose and sucrose.

Is this one ok??

[atomic sagebrush]

yes Folic acid or folate.

Yep that's the one you're after! for the guaifenesin

[Kerry45]

Ok great thank you for the help.

Also I'm struggling to have bed time snack as I feel too full from the day some days.

Does it sound like I'm having enough to eat?
Tea and shredded wheat with full fat milk for breakfast
Mid morning banana handful almonds and walnuts
Lemon water through out day and coconut water
Lunch whole wheat bread with salmon x2 eggs spinach and mushrooms with apple juice.
Mid afternoon dark choc or sometimes juice or coconut water
Evening meal spaghetti bolognese.

I dont let myself get hungry which is good thing right?

[atomic sagebrush]

If you're too full to eat the odds are that you don't need the snack.

Yes you're having a good amount of food! Very much what I ate when I got my boys!

[Kerry45]

Atomic I feel very nervous about my attempt this month as I have only been taking probiotics for about week due to not finding the right one.

Ovalution is around 16th.

[atomic sagebrush]

The probiotics are a minor concern, no one's sway rises or falls on them. It is your choice but I would not have you skip a month for that.

[Kerry45]

Ok I will still attempt also i thought my ovalution would be around 16th... but I've noticed discharge yesterday and more today could it be early? I dont use ovulation kits so only going by this.

Should I attempt today and tomorrow and few more attempts if we can

[Kerry45]

Ok I will still attempt also i thought my ovalution would be around 16th... but I've noticed discharge yesterday and more today could it be early? I dont use ovulation kits so only going by this.

Should I attempt today and tomorrow and few more attempts if we can

So I did attempt yesterday night... really confused about timing now when is best to next attempt. I keep really attempt should be few days before ovalution like 5 days before then 3 days and one attempt on ovulation please clarify?

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok I will still attempt also i thought my ovalution would be around 16th... but I've noticed discharge yesterday and more today could it be early? I dont use ovulation kits so only going by this.

Should I attempt today and tomorrow and few more attempts if we can

You can get EWCM for many days before O. That's why I suggest using ovulation kits, is because you DO NOT only get EWCM on the day of ovulation (in fact many of us notice CM before O and then it dries up on O Day.)

It depends on how concerned you are about timing. If you want timing, you need to use OPK. If you don't care about timing then you can have an attempt every day for now and then try to sneak in another one closer to O.

[atomic sagebrush]

So I did attempt yesterday night... really confused about timing now when is best to next attempt. I keep really attempt should be few days before ovalution like 5 days before then 3 days and one attempt on ovulation please clarify?

Yes you can do this as long as you're not aiming for Shettles timing. That's how most of us with all boys got our boys - regular sex prior to O and then 2-5 attempts around O.

[Kerry45]

Ok so I did another attempt yesterday night so that's 2 days before ovalution and then another attempt 1 days before ovulation. Today is my ovalution day so I will try again that's 3 attempts. Do you suggest another after this?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes in case of delayed O.

[Kerry45]

Ok thank you for the advice...
so far I have BD 2days before O, 1 day before O, BD on O, didnt get chance to yesterday *1day after O. Hoping to BD today which will be 2 days after O incase of delayed O.

Does this sound ok?? Or would another attempt be good after today?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes that's likely great. There's really never any harm in having an extra attempt. Though I doubt it's necessary I would still try to have one if possible.

[Kerry45]

Great I will try another. From my attempts and number of times does it sound ok.. do you think I've done enough?

Also how long do you stay on the he diet and supplements for?

[atomic sagebrush]

I think you guys had a great attempt! I can never say "oh yes you have a guarantee" but I am very happy with what you guys did.

You need to stay on the diet and supplements all the time. You can't go off them in the 2WW. At BFP, you can eat more normally again but you must not diet or cut way back on food intake. I would continue the supps (except for coq10 which you can wean off at BFP)

[Kerry45]

Ok thank you for the support. We did get another attempt in yesterday.

I'm quiet happy with staying on the diet its maybe more the amount of food I'm having. Regarding coq I wasnt taking these supplements. Only multi vits, probiotic, fish oils and folic acids.

So i will continue to take these even though pregnancy?

[atomic sagebrush]

You need to stay on multivitamin or prenatal all through pregnancy.

Probiotic is great to take during pregnancy.

Fish oil 500 mg or 1000 every other day is beneficial to baby.

Folic acid should be continued at higher dose all thru the first tri and then gradually weaned back to the amount in prenatal.

[Kerry45]

Ok I will continue with as you have mentioned.

Now to wait and see if our attempts worked.

I have been feeling slight cramps and bloating feeling for last week and half lower back pain.. maybe this is too early for symptoms? Or I'm over thinking it.

[atomic sagebrush]

You generally won't feel pregnancy symptoms till 7DPO at the earliest, but sometimes it can be that in cycles where you have a lot of symptoms, you're very hormonal and more likely to see it end in conception.

[Kerry45]

Ok so it didnt work for me .. I came on my period this morning feel very deflated as I gave it my best shot and felt like I did everything right. Been on the diet since end of November.

I'm not taking coq 100mg should I include this supplement?

Probiotics I am taking are max strength are these ok? These are the only ones I can find here.

[Kerry45]

So it didnt work for me... I started my period this morning feel very deflated as I think I did everything right and being on this diet and supplements since Novemeber. We will try again this month.

I'm not taking coq do you suggest this??

Also probiotics I'm taking are max strength as this is all I can get here. I will try posting a picture.

These are coq I have found are they ok?
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[atomic sagebrush]

It takes an average of 3-6 months to fall pregnant. Please don't feel too deflated, sometimes it takes a few months.

I do like to see you guys on 100 mg coq10. Those are def. ok just take one in the morning and one at night.

[Kerry45]

I feel abit better now think was just the intial shock of everything I did not working.

I was nervous about exercise and not doing enough so I will make sure I make effort to continue doing this aleast 3 times a week. Continue with HE diet.

Can I check with probiotics I'm taking as these are the only ones I can get not much choice and I'm running out soon need to get some more. They say max strength.4317943180

[afya1]

You need to stay on multivitamin or prenatal all through pregnancy.

Probiotic is great to take during pregnancy.

Fish oil 500 mg or 1000 every other day is beneficial to baby.

Folic acid should be continued at higher dose all thru the first tri and then gradually weaned back to the amount in prenatal.

Atomic, how much folic acid should we be taking in the first trimester? I’ve attached the supplement facts of the nature made vitamins I’m currently taking.


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[atomic sagebrush]

The probiotics and Nature made are both fine.

I prefer you guys to take 800-1200 mcg folic acid if you're not drinking green tea or baking soda drink, ASG, Ural, that sort of thing (I don't recommend any of those things but just in case) if you are doing them, you would need more like 2000 mcg folic acid or folate.

[Kerry45]

I'm taking 1500ug of folic acids in total.
300ug is in the multivitamins and I take x3 additional folic acid tablets which have 400ug in each. Is that ok??

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes. Take that all thru the first trimester and then gradually wean off by spacing doses further and further apart till down to the amount in the prenatal.

[Kerry45]

Great will do thank you.

Do you have link to HE diet foods just want to make sure I am following this right.

Also could not get hold of probiotics I was taking before but have these they are the same brand. Hope they are ok??
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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes those are fine!

HE Diet is here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-boy/16806-high-everything-diet-nutshell-version.html

[Kerry45]

Great thank you.

I've add coq10 to my supplements now.

So far I have exercised 3 days this week which I have stuck too.. I do a day then miss a day.. push ups squats and few strength based work outs. I try and walk everyday for aleast 20mins if not more. Does this sound ok??

[atomic sagebrush]

Yep that sounds great! Keep up the good work!

[Kerry45]

Thanks Atomic means alot having support.

Also bed time snacks I sometimes have gronula and yougurt but if I'm too full from the day I have some dark chocolate, or crackers and hummus, salted pretzels or rice cakes, banana chips dry, snickers chocolate depending on how full iam. Do these bed time snack seem ok??

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes those are all fine. You can try to have both a little protein and a little carbs at the same time!

[Kerry45]

What do you suggest as protein and carbs snack.. I think because I'm too full at that point find it hard to have something more than what I'm having. I'm eating every 2 hours in the day never let myself get hungry.

So I have dry fruit nearly every day is that too much example I have hand full of almonds or walnuts with breakfast?
Also the only milk I have is in cereal or tea nothing else really.

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic... wonder if you could help me I tracked ovalution this month from day 12 till 17th... and I only for 2 dark lines on the 13th the rest was all one dark line and other being faint line. Could I have only ovulated on the 13th as the rest of days the lines were faint?

I should of tested again from the 17th onwards but didnt have anymore tests.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you are full already you don't need to eat more.

Dry fruit can cause weight gain so be somewhat cautious with that.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, you could have ovulated on the 13th or 14th with a pos OPK on the 14th. Your test can go negative before ovulation happens.

Let's see when your period comes (or BFP) and we may know more about when you ovulated.

[Kerry45]

Ok thanks Atomic I will update when my period comes.

I predict it will come on 2nd of March.

Next month I will test ovalution am and pm from the 12th on wards 21/22 incase of late ovalation and also try attempts within this period.

[atomic sagebrush]

You may even want to test more like starting CD 10. I don't know how early you have typically ovulated but when O is on the move it's best to start sooner to be sure you catch it.

[Kerry45]

Ok I will start testing on 10th and track all the way up to the 19th 20th incase of delayed O. Does that sound ok??
Also do you suggest testing am and pm for each day?

[atomic sagebrush]

You should test after lunch. That's the time of day you'll be most likely to get a positive.

If you never get a positive, you'll need to keep testing longer.

[Kerry45]

Ok so testing once a day at lunch time until I get postive.

If I do get postive that day I bed that same day??

Also on another note I only managed to get some folic acid which has vitamin d in it aswell is that ok? I've been take folic acid but cant seem to get that one now. Just want to make sure the one with vitamin d is also ok to take?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes start your rounds of intercourse that night if possible. DO NOT wait any certain number of hours after the first positive (some sites say to do this) because that reduces the amount of attempts you can have.

Yes as long as you're not having more than, say, 2000 iu Vit. D in all that's ok

[Kerry45]

Ok will do thanks for the advice.

So I started my period today :( I only got one postive O on the 13th last month and all the rest faint lines. Would this be right?

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Regarding the folic acids the multivitamin I take have 10ug in them I take x3 folic acids so this should be ok?? As it says 10ug

I have attached image for this.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes that should be ok still.

[Kerry45]

Thanks.

What do you think about my ovalution last month only having one postive on 13th I started my period yesterday on the 1st.

This month I will track ovalution from the 10th

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, that makes perfect sense really.

Positive OPK on CD 13, that means ovulation likely on CD 14/15, and Feb has 28 days.

Pretty much textbook, just what we would expect!

[Kerry45]

Ok even though I tested on 14 and 15 and didnt get positive? More like one dark line other being faint line.

Also would you say bed every day in row fertile window or every other day. So coming to end of my period predict ovalution around 13/14
Bed on 13 then 15 and 17?

I will track from 10th when get postive bed that day and then every other day?

[atomic sagebrush]

You don't need to have dark lines on O Day. The OPK measure the hormone that signals ovulation. Then your body ovulates at some point in the future on its own timeline. You can have OPK that stay dark days after ovulation, or tests that go negative before O happens. The positive OPK is just a message that says "hey, ovulate sometime soon" and is not directly linked to O in the way people think of it.

We are having some sort of miscommunication about when to attempt. Please don't BD every other day when in the fertile window (outside the fertile window it is fine to go every other day). If you think you'll ovulate CD 14 then have sex CD 12, 13, 14, 15, then go to every other day. If you don't want o take the chance on CD 12 because of Shettles then skip CD 12 and try for 2 CD 13 or 14 and then the rest of the days. AFTER those attempts then you can do every other day.

[Kerry45]

Ok thank you that explains alot thank you and sorry I have never tested using ovalution test so all abit new for me.

Wish me luck this month.. will be our 3rd month trying

[atomic sagebrush]

good luck and blue dust headed your way!

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic so I tested ovalution today and got postive on cd9 would you say it's best to start my attempts from tonight??I thought this is too early as I only finished my period on the 5th.

Normally ovalution around 13/14. I only started taking cough syrup yesterday as I calculated 5days from when I thought I would ovalated. Shall I just continue with taking it right the way through?

[atomic sagebrush]

No let's give it another day or so. If it's positive tomorrow and/or you notice any symptoms go ahead and hit it with attempts but be sure to keep going at least 1x a day till you're sure you've ovulated.

Keep taking the cough syrup, it doesn't need to be five days exactly.

[Kerry45]

So I tested again and got another postive at lunch time today. Also have slight discharge. If I waited till the cd12/13 to do my first attempts do you think that's too late to begin my attempts?

[Kerry45]

So I tested today at lunch got another postive on CD 10 also have slight discharge.
Would you say if I waited till cd12/13 this would be too late to start attempts?

[atomic sagebrush]

I think you should start now in case of CD 12 ovulation (which is possible.) I'd attempt CD 10-15 once daily.

[Kerry45]

Problem is DH working away till Aleast tomorrow.
Tomorrow evening is a possible attempt if he gets back.
Would this be ok? From cd 11?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes! Just whenever you can!

[Kerry45]

So we started attempts last night CD 12 I got postive at lunch time bed that night and will continue to do so till 16/17

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck and blue dust!

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic..so I bed cd12 and cd 13 think it might not happen today cd14 if this day is missed and we bed again cd 15 till the 17 will that still be ok? Feel nervous that I cant attempt today.. will harm my sway

[atomic sagebrush]

I can't tell anyone what will harm their sway. That's just beyond my ability to know. Ideally you would attempt that day but it all depends on when the egg drops. Good luck!

[Kerry45]

Fingers crossed.

I've checked ovalution twice today and still two positives.
So thats cd12 and cd 13 and today will be CD 15... after this I will carry on till the 17/18

[atomic sagebrush]

Keep up the great work!

[Kerry45]

So I've done my attempts this month
CD 12, CD 13, CD 15, CD 16, CD 18 how does this look?

Do you think another attempt today would be needed?

[atomic sagebrush]

Looks great! If you're fed up with BD it's probably fine to stop now!

[Kerry45]

Thank you fingers crossed for BFP

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic

Period has come this morning so didnt work for us again this month. I was sure with the number of attempts it would but guess wasnt our month.
Also since trying this was our third cycle around the 17th till 21st I had alot of lower back pain and cramps is it possible that I could be ovalutiing late. I didn't test after the 17th as the line was alot fainter.

If this is just period pains it's really strange as I never got period pains before my period is always after so unsure why I'm getting these symptoms 1 or 2 weeks before my period now.

I have attached my ovalution test, i tested twice on 15. we attempted 12,13,15,16,18 cycle is 28 exactly as my last period was 1st of march and today Is the 29th march and I've come on.

When do you think I ovulated??43272

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, it's possible to ovulate late, but given that your period came on the 28th day I'm suspecting you Oed CD 14-16 somewhere in there.

That having been said, your tests were a bit light, so it could be (but is not terribly likely) you ovulated later and then had a short LP, but that's pretty unusual to O late, have a short LP, and yet still end up getting your period on the 28th day. That would mean your O would have to be delayed by the exact amount of days your LP was shortened by, and that's pretty unlikely a coincidence. Especially since your tests were not positive then.

It is not unusual to get cramping about a week after ovulation though. There are two reasons for this. One is that you did conceive, it started to implant, but then chromosomally something was not right and your period came as expected (this is also called a chemical pregnancy). The implantation process sometimes triggers cramps even when the pregnancy doesn't work out. Additionally, you can simply have cramps at that point because your body releases a surge of hormones about a week after ovulation that helps the lining to stay stuck for another week. Many women (myself included) have low back pain and cramps at this point.

I would do much the same as you did this last time. It just wasn't the month. :heart:

[Kerry45]

Yes I thought the same the test were light so was hard to see which day ovalution actually was.. if was the 14 I didnt attempt that night.. but did the day before and after.

Hoping I can test til later this month.

Thanks for explaining about the cramps just so strange as it doesnt normally happen so got me thinking. Which also makes exercise hard around this time and AF time as lower back and pelvis pain happens.

I will start testing ovalution from 8th right up to postive ovalution and will continue further more days.

[atomic sagebrush]

We often notice changes in our cycle and symptoms when swaying. Generally we consider it a good sign!

[Kerry45]

That's good to know thank you.

I've had to stock up on supplements but I could only get co q10 200mg is this dose ok? How many do I need to take a day?

I've put some weight on so trying to walk daily and exercise 15 to 20mins 3 times a week would this be ok?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes that's fine, just take one a day of the coq10

Yes that's completely within the parameters for blue sway exercise.

If you're gaining weight you don't want to be gaining watch out for fruit juice, dry fruit, bread, pasta, etc.

[Kerry45]

Thank you I think it's been dry fruit for me so I have cut down as I noticed I was having too much.

Is gronula blueberries and yougurt a ok snack to have??

So this month I'm predicting ovalution on CD 12

Based on AF came on 29th finished and finished on 2nd.

If I start testing and attempts CD 8,9,10,11,12,13,14 and maybe few after this due to late ovalution. How does this look? Do you think attempts on 8 and 9 are too early?

Tested again. Is this postive? 43285

[atomic sagebrush]

It's ok for blue, but is pretty sweet so it may be something to keep an eye on if weight gain continues.

I would do every other day at first (unless you get a positive OPK in the meantime). Like 8, 10, 12,13,14 if you expect to O on CD 14. If you think you'll O more like CD 12, then you'd do 8, 10, 11, 12.

[Kerry45]

Ok I will limit that.

Ok will try that with the attempts I'm not sure is ovalution is on 12 but if I go for 8,10,12,13,14 that should cover if ovalution is on 12 and 14 right? Would you add another attempt after 14? Maybe

[atomic sagebrush]

If ovulation is on CD 12, though, that would not give you the 3 attempts in the fertile window.

As to whether to add more attempts after CD 14 it depends on when you ovulate! If you O on CD 15 or 16, for example, yeah, you'd need more attempts.

This is why the OPK are so helpful.

[Kerry45]

Yeah the thing is when I did the test last month they were very light. So is it when the two lines are the darkest?

[atomic sagebrush]

Even if both lines are light, as long as they are the SAME level of color (or the test line is darker) then that what matters.

[atomic sagebrush]

Do NOT wait for the darkest tests!! Not only can you not predict it but you will possibly miss ovulation all together waiting for the darkest.

[Kerry45]

Ok that's fine. Thanks

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic.

so cd 8 today and thought i would start testing incase of ovalution on cd 12.. as I had slight discharge today. Looks like postive so I should bed tonight?

Do you think I messed up by not bedding sooner?

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[atomic sagebrush]

I really doubt that is true positive, it's so early. How sure are you you're on CD 8?

I really hesitate to have you start having attempts already. Ovulating CD 9-10 is not very common at all. Let's give it one more day and start CD 9.

[Kerry45]

Sorry I dont know why I said cd 8 thats wrong based on my period this month started 29th March and finished 1st/2nd of April as this was just light spotting. My periods are shorter now. Before this my March period was 1st march to the 5th of March.

Sorry so yesterday would of be CD 11 is that correct? And today cd 12. I did attempt last night but not sure if was good attempt. Should i attempt today and tomorrow then every other day??

I didnt do as many attempts before yesterday think I have messed this up.

Tested again. Is this postive?43286

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh ok yes I would start rolling with attempts, even tho the CD 12 is lighter.

[Kerry45]

Yes I did think it was light on CD 12 so didnt attempt.
Bed so far CD 11, CD 13, and hopefully tonight CD 14.

Just tested again looks light, should I test again in the evening? And attempt? Do you think I have had ovalution? As doesnt look like ovalution on CD 12 And today CD 14 looks light.

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[atomic sagebrush]

I can't tell you if you've ovulated or not. It may be you did O, or it may be you started to and then your body decided to wait a while. Just keep testing and prepare to have the attempts if you can.

[Kerry45]

This is what I thought as CD 11 looked like postive but since has been lighter tests. I will carry on testing.. do I only attempt now if I get postive? Or still attempt in the meantime?

[atomic sagebrush]

Still attempt in the meantime in case these are just false negatives OR you haven't ovulated yet from your true surge.

[Kerry45]

I will still attempt tonight. Thank you.

Tested again.. looks slightly darker then the last.43290

[atomic sagebrush]

ooh yeah that seems to be on the upswing huh!! :bluecheer: :bluecheer: :bluecheer:

[Kerry45]

So far we have bed CD 11,13,14,15, is it ok to skip today and do tomorrow CD 17 how many more attempts after this?

Attached tests so far including today CD 16
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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes that's fine! Good job! Good luck and blue dust headed your way!

[Kerry45]

Thank you so much and for all your support and messages.

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic I've tested again which looks simailer to yesterday cd16 test. Do you think it's a postive.. I will try and attempt tonight.

I'm really confused as when I have ovulated or if I'm yet
too as the tests are light and only postive looks like cd 11 would you agree?

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[atomic sagebrush]

I think you're fine to skip tonight if you want.

I can't tell from these when you ovulated, we'll know more if AF comes.

[Kerry45]

AF is due on 26th so we will see.

Do you think it might be the brand of tests I'm using? As I had similar results the months before using these. Or could just be that it's not picking up my o days.

I have tested again today lunch cd 18 and test is same as yesterday doesnt look like postive.

Attached the tests 43296

[atomic sagebrush]

go ahead and try a different brand. Some people have good results regardless of brand, others need to try a few kinds first.

[Kerry45]

Ok will try that if it hasnt worked this cycle.

I did bed yesterday CD 18 just incase may leave it to every 2 days now is that ok or when we want too?

Do you think I can stop testing o now or continue? What are chance if o this late?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I'd stop testing now, unless you have a history of very long cycles.

If at any point you start feeling like you might be ovulating, then you should ahve more attempts. But yes otherwise just do when you feel like it (though your husband should keep having releases every 2-4 days to help make healthy sperm in the future if this month is a no-go.

[Kerry45]

Ok thank you.. cycle is always about 28 days never have longer cycles.

Noted about every 2 to 4 days release.

[atomic sagebrush]

You've very likely ovualted already. I would go ahead and stop the OPK.

[Kerry45]

So I've had the same cramping.. very bad lower back pain started on CD18 which we did attempt that night aswell. Had same on cd 19 and cd20. Feel like it was very simailer to last months cramping and lower back pain.

AF is due 26th not feeling hopfull at all this month.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok! It's not unusual to have cramping about a week after O which would fit in with when your OPK came.

[9jamama01]

Hello Kerry it seems like we both have similar cycles. I'm on cd 20 and AF is due on the 26th too. Today I started to have the cramps and low back pain but it's actually a first for me. I was hoping it's implantation but I'm beginning lose hope once again. This is my 4th cycle ttc.

Well good luck to you! May we get our bfps this month.

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[Kerry45]

Hi Hope your well.

Yes these symptoms have only started for me since I have been trying.. and I've had every month around the same time the lower back pain and cramps which continue until AF comes. This is also my 4th cycle trying.
Have you had this since you have been trying or only this cycle?
Thank you and good luck to you.

[9jamama01]

This is actually the first time I have experienced both cramping and lower back pain at the same time. But it's eased today I can barely feel the back pain again. I guess we have to wait till the 26th to see if it's a good sign this time around or a bad one.

Good luck.

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[Kerry45]

Ok that's fine.. I have continued to have like dull aching pain and also some pain on my left side mild and not too bad with lower back pain every day since CD 18 on and off.

[atomic sagebrush]

That can be a sign of early pregnancy. Keep me posted!

[Kerry45]

I will do.

Would you say pain from left side means egg released from left? I've heard things like left means girl and right means boy dont know how much of this is right.

[atomic sagebrush]

No, it doesn't mean that at all.

You can't tell the side of ovulation from where you feel O pain. This is because the ovary develops eggs on both sides, and in many cases, ovulation actually RELIEVES pain on the side it happened (imagine popping a very painful pimple and then it feeling better afterwards). So you can end up having more pain on the side that didn't ovulate (and this is not a reliable thing either!)

The idea that you can tell your baby's gender based on side of ovulation or side of implantation have both been debunked anyway. We are seeing people getting boys and girls from either side. And as for side of implantation, after seeing the doctor that claimed to "discover" that method, guessing on many people's ultrasounds and guessing WRONG, I can no longer believe there is anything to that!

[Kerry45]

Ok thanks for that. I know there isnt alot of truth in stuff like this.. but there is so much out there on stuff like this.

Guess you just have to trust the process.

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic,

So AF came this morning :( was really not expecting it felt like I had all the symptoms as already mentioned. Was another 28 day cycle exactly. Not sure what's going on but doesnt seem to what to happen.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you're having 28 day cycles you're probably ovulating around CD 14. Let's try to time our attempts CD 12-14 to be sure you're getting in attempts at the proper time of month.

It may be you're just having some cramping around the secondary estrogen surge. This may be a GOOD sign for your sway, if you're higher in estrogen than you were, so much so that it's triggering symptoms.

[Kerry45]

This is exactly how I planned last cycle attempts based on o at cd14.. but didnt really get postive ovalution test. I will try different brand next cycle. But I do feel like I need break as all the symptoms have really drained me out this month and last few months.

Would you suggest a break for month?

What would make my estrogen levels high?

[atomic sagebrush]

Swaying blue raises your estrogen. That's how it works.

I never suggest a break for any reason other than an act of God. It's your call to make, but I find when people start skipping months, blue swayers end up gaining too much weight. And of course you may still have the symptoms even if you're not actively swaying anyway - just because your mind has decided not to sway, your body doesn't get the memo, LOL. Just be sure you're not continuing to put on weight (but don't diet either!)

[Kerry45]

Would that explain the bad skin spots around that time aswell due to increase estrogen?

When you suggest time attempts cd 12 to 14. Do you mean attempt 12 13 and 14 every day?

[atomic sagebrush]

Any time your hormones shift it can cause spots. This is because changes in hormones can affect the rate at which your skin cells grow and the amount of oil your body makes and whenever this happens, this can encourage bacteria to grow and that causes the spots.

Yes. If you're very worried about timing, you can have an attempt late CD 13, then twice CD 14. OR, you can have attempt CD 12, 13, 14, or even CD 11, 12, 13, 14 (this is what I would personally do, but that's not in line with timing)

[Kerry45]

Ok I will try 12 to 14 if I can get 11 in before then I will try my best.

Also AF has been different so far had two days bleed and today not as much I dont normally get this. Normally starts off slow then gets heavy then slow again. Last Aleast 5days start to finish.

[atomic sagebrush]

Seeing changes in the cycle is not unusual when swaying, keep me posted how it goes.

[Kerry45]

I did have 5day period in the end just was difficult to my normal AF.

I have been on He diet since November so have gained weight as I didnt think would take too long to get pregnant as my first and second was 1 attempt one cycle.
I do feel like I need to loose weight would walking everyday about 20 mins to hour a day be ok along with x2 or x4 cardio and some weights?

[atomic sagebrush]

That's to be expected, the majority of people note changes in their cycle when swaying.

I would recommend weights for no more than 45 minutes 4-5 days a week, and no more than 45 minutes of cardio (including walking) also 4-5 days a week, but at a different time than the weights. So go out for a walk in the morning, come home, take a break, have lunch, then do weights in the evening.

[Jazmin]

Hi,

Can I chime in for a question about workout here ?

So is walking about 45 minutes and 45 minutes weight on same day is ok? Or one of this 4-5 days ?

I have been doing indoor workout for 30 minutes or outdoor walk for 45 minutes. If i do both in a day, is that still ok ?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, it's ok as long as you take a break in the middle and don't do them back to back. Have a meal in between and a sit down!

[Jazmin]

Oh ok. Thank you


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[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic so I test yesterday CD12 got postive.. tested today CD 13 positive again so far I attempted cd12 and will try 13 and 14.. that's 3 attempts do you think that's ok this month. I feel like stress of attempting is why it's not working for me planning attempts etc.

[Simibhullar]

Cc

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Atomic so I test yesterday CD12 got postive.. tested today CD 13 positive again so far I attempted cd12 and will try 13 and 14.. that's 3 attempts do you think that's ok this month. I feel like stress of attempting is why it's not working for me planning attempts etc.

I really doubt that's why it's not working. Minor stress just really doesn't harm fertility that way. Three attempts is great, though I do worry that the CD 14 may be too late, if that's how it works out then so be it. Good luck and blue dust headed your way!

[Kerry45]

Ok sorry I went by what you said about attempting 12 to 14 to try and pinpoint ovalution.

What would you have suggested as number of months I have been doing cd 11,12,13,14 15 and then every other day after that.

I managed to get another attempt at cd 16.

So that's 12,13, 14 and 16

[Kerry45]

Ok sorry I went by what you said about attempting 12 to 14 to try and pinpoint ovalution.

What would you have suggested as number of months I have been doing cd 11,12,13,14 15 and then every other day after that.

I managed to get another attempt at cd 16.

So that's 12,13, 14 and 16

[atomic sagebrush]

Having 3 attempts around ovulation is going to help you conceive and help you get a boy. I cannot give you specific dates because I cannot predict when you will ovulate. So I"m hoping that CD 14 was not too late. I am trying to help you reduce your stress level by having some attempts at the right time without having the OPK stuff happening, but I cannot do that exactly. All I can do is make a suggestion about when to have attempt and then hope that's when O occurs.

[Kerry45]

I know and I appreciate all your help and support.

It's just so difficult to attempt and get it right around o time.
I was predicting ovalution on cd14 therefore I thought 12,13 and 14 sounded about right. When I got postive on 12 and 13 I thought it must be the right time. I guess I will just have to wait and see.

I've been on diet and supplements since November last year now is this too long to harm my sway?

[atomic sagebrush]

No the HE Diet and supps are great indefinitely as long as you can keep from gaining too much weight on it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh and it's entirely possible that was three attempts. Just that I can't say for sure.

[Kerry45]

Yes I think that's the problem I have gained weight since doing this from last year. So I have been walking more and more exercise but keeping this to what you have said.

I have got my regular back pains aches which I got every month since trying...but dont feel hopeful this month.

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic,

So didnt work for us again this month. AF came on 21st May AF before was 25th April. That was our 5th cycle trying.

Do you suggest anything different to what I'm doing to help?

We attempted 12,13,and 14 then every other day until 18.

[atomic sagebrush]

Are you guys using any guaifenesin to make more EWCM?

Has your husband ever had a sperm analysis?

[Kerry45]

I used guaifenesin every month apart from the last. Dont feel like it makes more EWCM for me. I tried more some months and less others to see if it made a difference.

No to sperm analysis as we never had any issues with the girls. Both was first time each time.

Dont know why wouldnt work for us this time. I'm 34 and so is DH

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, it may be just bad luck - it takes fully fertile couples doing nothing to sway average 3-6 months (across all ages) to conceive so it may be you're coming in on the tail end this time. If you got pregnant first month out in the past that was GOOD luck, not something that can be expected every time.

Fine to skip guaifenesin if you're not happy with it! I never used it and I have 4 boys. Just stay well hydrated and it will have much the same effect.

It is possible though that a man can have normal sperm count (or lower than normal but you guys still conceived easily) in the past and then he has worse sperm count. I'm not saying that's what is happening, because usually it isn't at all, but it's just something to potentially rule out in the long term.

[Kerry45]

Yes I understand... guess just isnt my time yet.

I can only keep trying.. which is getting hard on the diet and gaining weight.. I have tried to cut out nuts and bananas as I think I was having too much of this. Even oats every other day is that too much? I think the snacking on apple dark choc and nuts lead into weight gains and I never snack this much. That with the amount of eggs and protein.

My husband is weight training now and just more exercise in general also trying to cut down on alcohol intake as I think that was high.

[atomic sagebrush]

That's right. Cut back on, or even cut out totally, anything sweet/starchy like bananas and apples (really, these have very little nutrients in them) and cut back on extras like nuts, berries, the things that HAVE a good level of nutrients in them. When we say protein + carbs you really don't need tons of carbs, just some.

Then cut back the number of snacks to 2 or even 1 a day and up exersice if you are still gaining.

[Kerry45]

Yes I have dropped the snacks and exercises more.

What kind of things can I have for snacks if I need any? Feel like I'm having all the wrong things which is where the weight gain is coming from. We still eat alot of chicken eggs and some red meats.

[atomic sagebrush]

Nuts, cheese and a piece of fruit, peanut butter and an apple (I know above I said cut back on apples, but if you're having a small apple with pb that is fine), half a sandwich, a yogurt, small bowl of cereal.

What you're trying to do is focus more on things that are nutrient dense and not super sugary, and less on things that are poor in nutrients and sugary (aka, bananas).

You can also try cutting your meals by 1/4-1/2 and having the other half as a snack (or even one of your other meals)

[Kerry45]

Ok I will try this.. is cheese ok to snack on for blue sway??

I didnt try this month just feel like need break last few months of trying has been hard and not having postive taking affect.

Hoping next cycle I will be better frame of mind and having added regular exercise I feel better about it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, if you're sold on the mineral diets you would skip it, but the mineral diets are unscientific nonsense based on animals so different from humans they don't even reproduce in the same way. I ate GOBS of cheese with my sons and gave up dairy almost totally when I got my daughter, and the best study ever done on maternal diet and gender conceived (and indeed, the only one not intended to "prove" some revolutionary mineral diet!) found that moms who went on to conceive boys had more intake of all nutrients, INCLUDING calcium and magnesium.

As long as you can avoid excess weight gain you can take all the time you need! That is a real advantage of the blue sway, there's no harm in sticking with the basic diet forever, and you can take time off when you need to. :heart:

[Kerry45]

Ok thanks for the great advice.

I feel as though I'm not as stressed about everything I'm eating.. aslong as I still eat the boy sway stuff protein, salmon eggs and all stuff you have mentioned before. Trying to maintain weight and not over eat which was what I was doing.

[atomic sagebrush]

That's GREAT! Just what we want to see!

[Kerry45]

It didnt work again this month. AF came.

[atomic sagebrush]

Has your husband had a sperm analysis? Would he be willing to?

[Kerry45]

Not sure he is willing to have one. Do you think he should?

Is there anything eles we should try?

Do you think we should reduce the number of attempts to 3 cd12,cd13 and cd14 to get best chance.

[atomic sagebrush]

In many cases, when we're seeing trouble conceiving when you're having really good attempts that goes on and on, we end up learning that the husband has very low sperm count.

As long as he's cleaning the pipes every 2-4 days if you want to reduce the number of attempts to three that is fine, but my concern is if you ovulate sooner or later you can get burned by going off cycle days. Cycle days are a notoriously bad way to plan for attempts because they can and do change, even in seemingly normal cycles ovulation often shifts a day or two in either direction leaving you without three attempts.

[Kerry45]

Oh ok I dont know what to do for the best.

That's problem not knowing the exact date for ovalution.

I will keep trying and hope for the best.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just keep trying and eventually you'll luck your way into having the attempts at the right time.

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic... I took a little break as the swaying was getting to much for me and I also gained weight. I feel alot better about everything.

Just wanted to check if I'm ok to skip snacks if I'm full enough from meals as I think this was resulting to the weight gain.

Also feel like dairy and breads pasta are causing my IBS to flair up so I'm cutting back on these is that ok? Still very much on HE diet chicken eggs red meat etc.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes absolutely if you are full between meals (and you are eating protein and carbs in every meal) you don't need to snack.

As long as you're having SOME carbs iwth your protein and NOT eating a very low carb diet - so some fruit and veg instead of bread/pasta that's fine. And getting some animal fat from somewhere - which you are in the meats/eggs.

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic...

It's been some time now I got really stressed out with it not working for me was feeling really tired and deflated also got few colds in which didnt help with diet and exercise.

Back on it now and hoping to attempt next month.. monitoring ovalution which I think is about day 14. When would you plan to bed and what pattern. I may have been doing to many attempts before actual O.

I have tried to stay on diet as much as I can still dont slip breakfast and have meats etc... taking all the vitamins still.

[atomic sagebrush]

Aweome! I hope you're feeling better now and great job keeping up the diet and supplements.

You really did a pretty good job on attempts - I would just maybe have you drop one or two of the earlier ones and replace with ones closer to O. But your amount and timing are really truly what I LIKE to see people doing.

[Kerry45]

Ok thank I will try again and fingers crossed.

Regarding regular sex before O would you recommend unprotected sex leading up to O??

[atomic sagebrush]

I do recommend unprotected sex. Timing doesn't work, and some evidence indicates that exposure to your hubby's semen may sway blue, and also that it raises fertility for both you and him.

[Kerry45]

Sorry is that unprotected before period and fertility window?

[atomic sagebrush]

Unprotected all the time (of course if you do not want to try that month you'd need to use protection). The hormones in the semen may help.

[Kerry45]

Ok thank you.

Also wanted to ask things like coconut water should I have that through out or only certain days of the month. I do drink alot of water including lemon water through out the day. Thought coconut water helps??

The same with cough medicine previous months I think I have taken too much... shall I include it this month or leave it out?? To be honest dont think it increase mucus for me at all.

[atomic sagebrush]

Both of those things are completely at your discretion. If you feel they're causing more harm than good (with the cough syrup) fine to leave out. And the coco water is just a way to add some extra potassium (which personally, I don't even think helps with a sway beyond simply just eating a healthy diet) without adding a lot of extra calories. Many people load up on fruit juices trying to get potassium, but juice can have a lot of cals. So coco water is just an option for people trying to get potassium while not going overboard with calories. If you don't need it, you dont' need to have it.

[Kerry45]

Ok great. Yes this is what I was trying to avoid fruit juices because of calories and weight gain.

So we started our attempts yesterday which was CD9 thinking next one at Cd11 which is today, CD12, CD14 & CD15 if all goes to plan.

How does this look?? Do you think i should miss cd12 and add cd 13 instead?? Then every other day after cd 15 incase of delay O.

[Kerry45]

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Ok great. Yes this is what I was trying to avoid fruit juices because of calories and weight gain.

So we started our attempts yesterday which was CD9 thinking next one at Cd11 which is today, CD12, CD14 & CD15 if all goes to plan.

How does this look?? Do you think i should miss cd12 and add cd 13 instead?? Then every other day after cd 15 incase of delay O

[atomic sagebrush]

You can skip 12 or 13, it doesn't matter which one, because it depends on when you ovulated and we can't know that now. Or you could go for both, I know we were worried it might have cut odds of conception, though. this is just one of those 'crystal ball' questions I can't know the answer to unfortunately.

[Kerry45]

I know and sorry... I say to myself I wont get stressed about this all then it always happens closer to attempts.

I didnt get postive opk either so didnt bed today maybe tomorrow.

[Kerry45]

Hi...

So far only attempted cd 9 and havent since was hoping for today cd12 but dont think it will happen. Will try again cd13, 4 and 15.. will this leave me with one attempt on the cd 9?? Worried

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm thinking, that whenever you CAN BD, you should go for it to avoid these kinds of scenarios. Like, let's say you had a chance on CD 11 and skipped it because you didn't think it was optimal, then CD 12 something comes up. Let's just go for it when possible to compensate for the days when things don't go according to plan.

[Kerry45]

Yes I understand thank you.

So I did bed yesterday Cd13. I'm guessing ovalution was on cd12 after looking at opk.. what do you think. Cd14 today looking more faint then cd12 and 13.... was aiming to attempt today anyway and tomorrow.

What are the chance that it worked based on cd9 and ovalution on cd12 that would only give me one attempt. Feel like really messed this one up.

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[atomic sagebrush]

You can't tell when you've ovulated on the basis of OPK - you can have the test going negative and still have yet to ovulate. The surge happens as many as 2-3 days sooner than ovulation and the test can go negative in the meantime. Plus, for all we know you haven 't ovulated yet and you'll get another positive tomorrow.

It's very very unlikely that you conceived from sex on CD 9 with a CD 12 ovulation. In most cases you won't have the right environment as early as CD 9 anyway.

[Kerry45]

Ok... but on cd 12 I was feeling really unwell alday lower back pain cramping on and off it lasted till the night. with the positive opk I thought this must be ovalution. The next morning I was fine.

I will still attempt tonight CD 14 and tomorrow to give it the best chance. Then every other day. Hope I didnt mess up by sway.

[atomic sagebrush]

But you can have O pain before, during, and after ovulation. It's not unusual to have really bad O pain a day or two before O happens that goes away before or right after O has occurred. O pain is not a perfect way of pinning down ovulation.

[Kerry45]

Ok thanks for that.

So we did bed yesterday evening cd14.. did opk am and was like yesterday's test. Will hope to bed tonight too.

Would you say you dont think I have ovaluted yet?? Which I know it's very difficult to say.

Also dont feel like I have much mucus think I have mentioned this before aswell. Why would this be as I thought the diet and supplements make more??

[Kerry45]

Tested again today afternoon was slightly darker then the morning test..could be O is coming so will try get tonight's attempt and hopefully another tomorrow.

How does that sound??

[atomic sagebrush]

I can't say for sure but on the basis of those tests, I do not think ovulation has occurred.

People respond all sorts of ways to the diet. We have many people who get boys without much CM (with my 4th boy I had so little CM I didn't even know I ovulated). and I haven't found CM amount to be predictive of whose sways work and whose don't.

[atomic sagebrush]

Tested again today afternoon was slightly darker then the morning test..could be O is coming so will try get tonight's attempt and hopefully another tomorrow.

How does that sound??

Awesome!

[Kerry45]

I couldnt attempt and DH was feeling really unwell and run down.

Guess I missed my chance as i have just tested opk and its negative.... could this mean o has happened on CD 15.

So far we bed cd9, cd13,cd14 will attempt tonight but guessing it's too late for me this month? What do you think?? Also have like waves of cramps and dull pains today's.

[atomic sagebrush]

I would still try to be in with one more attempt just in case. There is no "too late" because the egg shows up on its own timeline. Attempts aren't wasted, they cover our bases in case ovulation comes later than we expect.

OPK are really not the best technology. We use them because it's all we have, but they're really not flawless. You can have a negative test and still be yet to ovulate, because the hormone the OPK is testing for is not directly correlated to ovulation. So your body can have gotten the message "ovulate soon" from the hormone, and then still decide to ovulate on its own timeline.

If possible, have attempt, if not, leave it. Good luck!!

O pains can happen before, during, and after O because the Fallopian tubes cramp after ovulation to move the egg down. So we unfortunately can't use that to tell us what is happening either.

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic,

Thanks for your help really appreciate it... we didnt have another attempt due to DH still not feeling great.

Maybe it wasnt our month again.. maybe next month may be better.


If AF doesnt come and iam pregent do you think from my attempts I did ok for my sway... wasnt the best month of attempts I had compared to previous months.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think it's entirely plausible you had 2 good attempts, 3 counting the CD 9 one (which may still help, we don't know how it works really)

Number of attempts is just one thing. You are doing a lot of other blue friendly things, all of which will help you sway blue. LOTS of people get boys with only one attempt anyway, let alone two, so I think you guys had a fine attempt, keeping my fingers crossed for blue BFP this month!

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic,

Just wanted to ask can you sway for too long?? I've been on diet and taking supplements since last November now.. nearly 1 year.

I've got a lot better with exercise over more recent months.

I try go for walk everyday if not miss a day some body strength exercise sometimes only 15mins and 15mins of exercise. Maybe 3 -4 times a week.

I did have to cut back on snacks due to weight gain but I never go hungry.

[atomic sagebrush]

Not for blue sways! The more the better!! As long as you cut back as needed to prevent weight gain, HE Diet is great in the long term and is the exact sort of diet that most of us with all boys eat normally.

You're doing great, Kerry. Keep up the good work and sending you all my blue dust!

[Kerry45]

Thanks Atomic.

Do you have link to HE diet just so I can be sure against what I'm eating.

Regarding milk I only really have in tea and cereal would you say I need more? Cheese added to some meals but overall I dont think I have much dairy. Do I need to add more??

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, full fat dairy is a great way to give your body the raw materials to make the sex hormones you need to help your blue sway. But it's your call to make. Diet is here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-boy/16806-high-everything-diet-nutshell-version.html

[Kerry45]

Ok I can add more.

Also the first thing I have in the morning is cup of tea with milk it's only about 1 hour later I can have cereal this can be oats with mixed of nuts or shredded wheat and other cereals I mix it up everyday. Is this ok.. I find it hard to wake up and eat straight away.

[atomic sagebrush]

That's fine, if you really need to wait an hour that's not a dealbreaker at all.

Yes any of those cereals is great!!! The only things you should limit/avoid are the sugary ones or else those that are pure carbs with basically no nutrient content (like corn flakes or rice crispies).

[Kerry45]

So AF arrived today.

Not sure how I feel... it wasnt my best month of attempts.

Guessing O was on CD 15 which we didnt attempt anyway.

I wont be using ovalution sticks this month just want to go with the flow, based on my app says o is on cd 12-15 so will try and go for as many attempt within this time a few before and some after.

Does this sound ok?

[atomic sagebrush]

I'd err on the side of CD11 or even CD 10 as well rather than after. Fine to do it that way provided that the apps have been reliable for you. OPK are such pains in the rear to use.

[Kerry45]

Sorry do you meant attempt on CD 11 and CD 10 for this month?

I'm not sure regarding the app but guess it's all guessing game and I think ovalution causes alot of stress for me especially if they are not reliable anyway.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, my point is start sooner rather than going after the point you usually ovulate (tho if you can, you can go after, too.) Be sure you've got attempts in before ovulation.

[Kerry45]

Yes will do a few before o and then when I think o is a few times. Let's try that this month and hope for the best. Thanks for your support

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic,

Over last few months if not more I've noticed less cm mucus why would this be?? Would it be the diet and supplements but thought this produces more.
I did drop coq10 which I will hopefully add back in next few days.

[atomic sagebrush]

It's supposed to produce more. Give me a brief rundown of what you're taking.

Are you drinking a lot of green tea? Taking a higher than average dose of B Vitamins? EPO? Flaxseed?

[Kerry45]

I dont take any of that or drink any green tea at all.

I only drink normal english tea with whole milk.

Vitamins probiotics, womens multivitamins, x3 400ug folic acid, omega3 tablet every other or every two day gap. Was taking coq10 but stopped few months ago.

Foods, chicken, eggs salmon, red meat beef and lamb, potatoes, sweet potatoes, vegetables, mushrooms, spinach, bananas, blueberries oranges, apples, pears, grapes, dark choc, nuts almonds cashews nuts walnuts. Cereal whole wheat based, oats. Drink lemon water 1 cup everyday and also 1 cup of coconut water if I can. I have butter, dairy cheese yogurt and blueberries as snack hummus and crackers.

Was watching my weight so started to cut back on snacks.

[atomic sagebrush]

What multivitamins?

We are very far from convinced that sheer amount of CM matters. It may be that it's quality over quanitity (indeed, a lot of women with all daughters are reporting a lot of CM, and with at least one of my boys, I had NO visible CM and didn't even realize I'd ovulated!) So I would not really worry about this regardless but I do want to make sure that there's nothing we need to fix.

ARe you taking guaifenesin in the fertile week?

[Kerry45]

It's the centrum womens multivitamins I have been taking for ages now.

Regarding guaifenesin I was taking for a few months but didnt seem like it was producing more.. maybe I was taking to much. I can try again this week as its fertile week and have started attempt had one last night which is cd 7, hoping next one cd 9, cd11, cd12,cd 13, cd14.

Hope I can keep this up if I was to drop one do you think cd11?

How do you suggest taking it like on which days and how much to take?

[atomic sagebrush]

Actually, I think you should drop the CD 14 one if you MUST drop one. That way if you ovulate sooner at least you're covered. See if you can manage CD 11, 12, 13.

[Kerry45]

So cd14 is showing ovalution on my app... of course I know this may not be right.

I was trying to cover if I o was on cd12 or 13 and then get the 14 in if it was on cd 14.

[atomic sagebrush]

Right, but you won't be covered very well if you O on CD 12, if you don't have attempt CD 11! You will still be covered CD 14 even if you can't get attempt that day. It's your call to make but I would err on the side of the CD 11 attempt because CD 14 cannot help with CD 12 or 13, and CD 11 can.

[Kerry45]

Ok I will attempt on cd12 thanks for your help.

Also I couldnt get the guaifenesin cough medicine on it's own everything had something eles with it and I'm sure you have said to get the one with guaifenesin only is that correct?

I will try again later today or tomorrow but might be too late to take it??

[atomic sagebrush]

And also CD 11? That would be my plan, but of course you should do what feels right to you.

What are the other ingredients?

No, it's not too late, this is when most people start using it.

[Kerry45]

Sorry that's what I meant cd 11.

We attempted cd 7 so far and will tonight cd9... I could miss 10 and do cd 11 12,13 hopefully 14 aswell. Does this look ok?

This is what I found today.43433

[Kerry45]

Sorry that's what I meant cd 11.

We attempted cd 7 so far and will tonight cd9... I could miss 10 and do cd 11 12,13 hopefully 14 aswell. Does this look ok?

This is what I found today.43433

Does the cough medicine look ok???

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes that's just fine.

That cough syrup is absolutely fine too. Those other things are present in very small amounts, only for flavor, and don't sway. The only ACTIVE ingredient is the guaifenesin.

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic

So bedding didnt go to plan or what I wanted.
DH was called to a family emergency out of town on friday which would of been cd12 so I missed this day and cd13 and cd14. Hes back today cd15 but guess this is too late.

We only managed cd7, cd9 and cd11 which is not good is it with the number of attempts.

What do you think??

[atomic sagebrush]

I got some of my boys with that sort of timing. You never know until a couple weeks pass what the outcome will be. Good luck and blue dust headed your way!

[Kerry45]

Thank you... let's see what happens.

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic

So I've had awful cramps and lower back pain for nearly 2 weeks now. Everyday I've had the same cramps on and off and only seem to relax when I sit or or lyning down.... still waiting for AF due tomorrow so will see. What do you think??

[atomic sagebrush]

I think that sounds very promising for pregnancy. FXFXFX!

[Kerry45]

I think so too..Af hasnt come today so will wait til tomorrow.. still have same cramps and lower back pain.

So last 2weeks wasnt feeling great tried to exercise and diet and normal but was hard will this effect my sway?

In terms of vitamins do I carry on with everything as normal and also what about diet and exercise do I keep this all up if iam pregnant?

[atomic sagebrush]

No if you're pregnant it's a done deal, you can normalize on diet and exercise at this point.

If you're taking just the normal vitamins we recommend here on the site and haven't added anything I don't know about then yes just continue on all thru pregnancy. The exception is coq10, you can wean off that one if you're taking it. Continue the extra folic acid or folate till the end of the first trimester and only then wean off back to the amount in your prenatal.

You don't need to continue the full HE Diet when pregnant but please don't suddenly go on a crash diet. You need to eat a normal, healthy pregnancy diet. Some people think they should starve themselves when pregnant to take off any weight they gained on the HE Diet but that is a very very bad idea because boys need more nutrients all through pregnancy.

Exercise is at your discretion. It is ok to exercise during pregnancy but a lot of us (myself included) never feel up to it. Your choice on that.

[Kerry45]

Ok thank you thought it would be best to check with you.

Yes taking everything you have said.. I can send a list to check again?

All all these aches and pains normal at this stage dont remember having this with my other pregnancy with the girls.

Feel very nervous about this attempt as wasnt my best month compared to previous I know it is what it is... have you seen many boys with the attempts I had?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes sure just to be on the safe side.

Yes aches and pains in early pregnancy are very normal. Many of us noticed this got worse with later pregnancies than early ones.

Yes you had a good level of attempts for blue! Good job!

[Kerry45]

These are what I'm taking and have done for over a year now.

The only one I stopped and started was coq10.. last attempt was taking it.

Vitamins- probiotics, womens centrum multivitamins, plus x3 400ug folic acid, omega3 tablet every other or every two day gap. coq10 nearly finished these on my last two tablets.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok then just take the last of the coq10, spaced out over the next week, and keep going with everything else. At the end of the first tri wean off the extra folic acid as laid out above.

[Kerry45]

So just space out the extra folic acids aswell after first trimester??

Also what's the best vitamins to take for pregnancy previously taken pregnacare but have seen on here this isnt the best is that right??

[atomic sagebrush]

Wean off the folic acid at the end of the first trimester like I've listed below.


No if you're pregnant it's a done deal, you can normalize on diet and exercise at this point.

If you're taking just the normal vitamins we recommend here on the site and haven't added anything I don't know about then yes just continue on all thru pregnancy. The exception is coq10, you can wean off that one if you're taking it. Continue the extra folic acid or folate till the end of the first trimester and only then wean off back to the amount in your prenatal.

You don't need to continue the full HE Diet when pregnant but please don't suddenly go on a crash diet. You need to eat a normal, healthy pregnancy diet. Some people think they should starve themselves when pregnant to take off any weight they gained on the HE Diet but that is a very very bad idea because boys need more nutrients all through pregnancy.

Exercise is at your discretion. It is ok to exercise during pregnancy but a lot of us (myself included) never feel up to it. Your choice on that.

[atomic sagebrush]

You can just continue the Centrum as a prenatal. It has a good level of every nutrient for pregnancy and is absolutely fine to continue. I took the Women's One a Day (which is roughly the same as the Centrum in terms of nutrients) for my prenatal with my last three pregnancies and so do a lot of other people.

[Kerry45]

Ok great thank you.

I got my BFP today please send me lots of blue dust.

Want to thank you for all of your support just hope I have good news for you.

[atomic sagebrush]

Great news!! I got pretty excited when you mentioned your backache!!! FXFXFX and tons of blue dust headed at ya!

[Kerry45]

Thank you that means so much.

[Kerry45]

Hi Atomic,

Sorry I have been quiet on here. Pregnancy symptoms are in full swing. I have zero engery and always tired and my god always hungry.

Currently about 8/9 weeks.

I wanted to thank you for your help.. is PayPal the only way I can do this?

[atomic sagebrush]

I'll message you, Kerry!

[9jamama01]

I'm so happy for you Kerry. You've done it, a bfp! Wow, you must feel so happy to relax now and enjoy pregnancy.

You've given me hope.

I wish you a happy and healthy 9months.

Sending lots of blue dust your way. Cheers

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