Trying for a boy - need help!

[Stafa]

Hello dear Atomic and Genderdreamers!

First and foremost, I'd like to thank you for being here and for helping so many people from all over the world make their dreams come true!

My name is Stanislav and I am writing to you from a little part of the world - Bulgaria! I am probably one of the very few DH's that decided to take the shot and share his thoughts and challenges with your amazing and always ready to help community.

Before moving forward, I'd also like to apologize for the wall of text and the questions I have as I know most of them are already well covered but it is just way too much information available out there that I just got really overwhelmed. Another thing is that there is probably a slight language barrier especially when it comes to some abbreviations and I really want to make sure I am doing everything right. The reason I am the one writing is because my DW's english is not even as good as mine.

So, here's my story - I am 29 and so is my DW. We have a 16 months old girl and we very much (desperately) want a boy. We do love our DD, of course! I've been reading pretty much all sources of information for the past few weeks but I am still not sure what to believe and what not. Now that I found you guys, I feel much more confident that there is someone who can actually give me a hand with this big challenge of mine. So here is what I know so far and respectively what I need to confirm:

- Diet and health condition - At the time we conceived our daughter I wasn't in the best possible shape, nor was my DW. I've been drinking alcohol and smoking quite often back then. As of May this year, I am working out 3/4 times a week and am definitely in a better shape than before. I am eating big amount of protein, cottage cheese, oatmeal and powder protein for breakfast, salad and meat for lunch, pretty much the same snack as the breakfast and meat (pork, chicken, veal) with some rice or potatoes for dinner. I've stopped or drastically decreased smoking and drinking and it will about a month and a half like this before TTC.

DW eats mainly oatmeal + banana and oat drink for breakfast, some soup or sandwich for lunch, fruits (orange, banana, apple) as a snack and pasta/sushi/meat/pizza as a dinner. I guess she will need to increase her protein levels? As we are planning to eventually try for a boy February 2021, we are about to start taking some Vitamin D and E, Zink, fish oil, q10. She doesn't smoke and drinks a glass of red wine per day tops. I've also read something about lemon water and coconut water couple of days before starting the actual attempts?

- Timing - from all I've read, I noticed you don't really find the timing that important but I did notice some tips in that aspect. Would you please explain it to me in just a few words (simple way) what's the best way to try for a boy. I've heard a lot about the Shettles method but I am totally fine to forget about it and trust you guys. So what do you suggest here - shall we start having sex right after AF, on what interval, when should we start making the actual attempts of her getting pregnant and how many times shall we do it? This is something I find really hard to understand.

I've also read something about having a cup of coffee + coke or energy drink an hour before BD so as to boost the fertility (speed of the little ones attacking the egg).

Also, what does cutoff mean exactly - does it mean that I should restrain from ejaculating for say 5-10 days before starting the actual attempts? I heard that helps swaying blue.

- Count of sperm - I have some doubts about the count/quantity of sperm I have as I had a varicocelectomy when I was younger but given the fact that we conceived our daughter from the first or second time, I guess it is all fine there. Do you think I should undergo a semen analysis just to be on the safe side? Is there anything else rather than less alcohol, more exercises and good food that can help me boost my fertility and overall sperm quality?

- Position - read some theories about the position and deep penetration too. Any suggestions here? Also, what does J&D (jump and dump means) and what's this about the woman laying for some time after BD?

- Chinese calendar and tables/Russian charts - I've found a lot of different sites mentioning that the month of getting pregnant is very important and all these formulas where you need to calculate the age of the mother and the month of the year she is getting pregnant - any thoughts on this?

- Blood changes - Interesting thing which I think I found only in some Bulgarian and Russian sources. People here say that the gender of the baby very much depends on the parent which blood has "changed or recirculated" sooner. The saying says that the man's blood changes every 4 years while the woman's blood every 3 years starting from the date of birth (and in case there wasn't any significant blood loss - car accident, surgery etc.). So for example, now that I am 29 and my blood changed last year and my DW blood is about to change next year (June) if she gets pregnant before June, the baby will more likely be a boy - have you ever heard of this theory?

- IVF and PGD or ARRAY CGH - that's one of the other things we are seriously considering as I am not even sure if I want to risk it. As we are very close to Greece, we found a fertility centre in Crete where IVF and PGD/ARRAY CGH and basically gender selection is allowed and I wanted to check if any of the genderdreamers have any experience with that clinic. Not sure how better ARRAY CGH is than PGD too.

- PH levels - a lot of people are saying that this is actually a thing, what do you think and how do I increase PH levels. Mine is currently 6 (urine tests).

Any other tips/information that can help me get that super wanted boy is highly appreciated.

Thank you very very much for all your help in advance and happy holidays!

[atomic sagebrush]

Can you bump this for me?? It's a bit longer and I have holiday stuff tonight. Thanks and welcome!

[Stafa]

Thanks, Atomic! I've PM'ed you. Will be looking forward to hearing back from you! Happy Holidays :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome Stanislav! I LOVE my swaying dads! :)

I am always happy to answer questions. I know it's a lot of reading and that's why I am here, is to help you navigate through it all.

The changes you've made in diet and lifestyle are GREAT! Keep it up!

If your wife is already eating 90+ g protein that's fine, she doesn't need more. If she'd between 70-90 g yes I'd try to get in a little more protein.

Rather than seeing you take some of those nutrients separately I'd have you both take a multivitamin that has Vit. D, Zinc, E in it already. Unfortunately the doses are very high on the separate pills and it's better to only get about 100% of Zinc and Vit. E (and up to 1000 IU Vit. D, no more than that). Fish oil (up to 500 mg) and Coq10 (200 mg) are fine to take separately.

Lemon water you can have every day to make sure you stay well hydrated. Some believe it also helps with pH - now, I personally don't buy into pH stuff any more but that's the theory. Coconut water is not necessary but can be a good way to get a lot of potassium without having to have a lot of calories.

I'm going to post this first half to save on scrolling!

[atomic sagebrush]

Do you want to do timing? I am ok if people want to try it, just that it's not supported by science. We have a method where you can have timing, while still having the benefits of the number of attempts and regular release! up to you!

When it comes to having caffeine before attempt, there is an issue in that we want you to have 3-5 attempts in the fertile window. Since most people attempt at night, drinking caffeine often leads to a sleepless night, and exhaustion when men are meant to be having more attempts! (let alone having to work.) Since the caffeine has never been proven to help anyway, I worry that it causes a lot of trouble for people for no benefit, even interfering with your ability to have the attempts you need!

There are two ways the term "cutoff" is used online. One of them is "cutting off" a man from ejaculation for a certain number of days. This method is not useful because you have to basically predict in advance when ovulation will occur, and it rarely works out. Plus, abstaining for 5-10 days sways PINK, not blue!!

The other way "cutoff" is used, and the much more common way, is as a Shettles method for pink. People "cut off" intercourse all together a set number of days before ovulation occurs, and claim that sways pink. But it doesn't really work either. Long story short you don't need to do any sort of a cutoff.

The supplements we give you and the lifestyle changes will do a lot to boost sperm count. I would also have you take 500 mg of arginine and 1000 mg carnitine in addition to what you're already taking. I don't see any need for you to have a sperm analysis as we are doing what we would do regardless.

Also, let's add in probiotics for both you and your wife.

Doggy style with deep penetration is considered best for blue. It isn't a magic bullet but it cannot hurt!

Don't do jump and dump (that is having the woman get up very quick after sex). That sways pink. She should lay down 30-60 minutes and spend part of the time on her tummy if possible.

If the Chinese had any ancient wisdom that guaranteed gender there would not be orphanages full of unwanted baby girls. We have done tons of polls and surveys on all these charts and it's always 50-50 on all of them. I would not bother with them.

The gender ratio can't rely on things like 3 and 4 year cycles because we see changes in the ratio with diet, lifestyle, and even some truly strange things like the career a person has. If there was some set cycle that was not changeable we would not see any variation in gender ratio on the basis of diet, exercise, career, etc because it would be unchangeable in that situation. So that is also not something I would worry about.

IVF/PGD is great and something I very much recommend looking into if you have the means. Though swaying is great PGD is the only way to get a guarantee. I would ask about the ARRAY CGH in our IVF forums and the experts we have there will be better able to help you than I am.

After getting a boy with a supposed "girl pH" and seeing thousands of pH opposites, I no longer believe in pH and we don't bother with it any more. Some people still do some pH methods and that is ok. The blue sway will help raise pH regardless so you still don't need to worry about it. just beware some of the methods that are said to "raise pH" like baking soda, alka seltzer, and douching. Those things are worse than nothing and will hurt your sway and lower chances of conception.

But I can tell you this much - urine tests are not how you measure your pH for swaying. You are meant to measure the pH of your semen (sorry! gross I know) because it is the semen that matters for your sway. and in your wife's case, you would measure the pH of her cervical mucus around ovulation (no other time of month, only ovulation). Urine pH is useless and only measures the foods and drinks you've recently had! But the good news is that everything we do for swaying will help with pH anyway, no need to test it.

[Stafa]

Atomic, thank you so much!!

Re: supplements - we are doing 100 UI/67mg vit. E, 400 UI/10mg vit D, 25mg Zinc and 450mg fish oil per day. Does that sound OK? DW starts folic acid today, we will both start probiotic tomorrow and I just ordered some L-Carntine and Arginine, will start them tomorrow too.

DW will start lemon water today/tomorrow too. I also found many people talking about preseed and primrose oil - could you please shed some more light on this, what is preseed exactly and how are they used?

Also about caffeine - how does it sway and shall we change anything in this direction? We both usually do two coffees a day.

Got it about the cutoff, thanks for clarifying!

Also, about the exact timing and to make sure I get it right - we wait until her AF is over and start having sex every second day but do I release inside (unprotected) or is that only when we get a positive sign for upcoming O? I guess releasing inside or outside before the positive ovulation signs doesn't really matter? When we do get that sign (we bought Oview ovulation strips) - what's the exact way we do it, is it one attempt two days before ovulation, one attempt the day before ovulation, two attempts at the O day, one day rest and then last attempt two days after ovulation? Otherwise said - first attempt at the moment we get two equally colored lines on the test and then all the rest?

This is what I find hard to understand.

I am not keen in following Shettles and even if we do it as you suggest, we will still have one attempt at the day of ovulation as the Shettles method recommends.

One other thing I forgot to ask - I read something about ice/cold showers which is believed to boost male sperm? Any thoughts on this?

I've also found some reviews about a book called "The Babydust method" - I am sure that I can find pretty much everything from the book in your forum but do you think it's worth checking. I trust your knowledge and experience on the matter :)

Last but not least, I also found a post where you mentioned that a small gap between the first and second kids may sway pink. Our DD is 16 months old now, she will be almost 18m when we TTC - is that OK or we better postpone it a bit? We do want to start trying in February. DD happened from the first or second attempt if that matters.

I understand I am probably asking too much but I really want to do everything on my powers to make it happen so if I need to get any of the other GD plans, please do let me know and thanks again! I really appreciate all your help and contribution!

[Stafa]

Hi Atomic and Happy New Year! Wishing you good health, lots of happiness and success in the new 2021! I know you are very busy and I don't mind waiting but I just wanted to make sure you saw my reply above and will get back to me when you get the chance.

Thanks again!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks so much for your patience and the bump!

I would rather see you just take an all around all purpose vitamin. The nutrients taken separately, particularly the Vit. E and the Zinc, are too high (for your wife particularly) and you're missing out on some other ones that would be in a prenatal or multi.

Evening primrose, we've seen associated with a lot of opposites and disruption in the cycle so we've moved away from that.

Preseed is fine, though natural EWCM is likely better. If you notice that you need a vaginal lubricant around ovulation (or she is very dry) then use Preseed. If (and this happens a lot with blue sways) she ends up making a lot of natural EWCM then the Preseed may end up being too much of a good thing and you should just skip it.

Tea is likely better than coffee, if you could switch one of those to tea, or ADD a separate tea like in the afternoon or whatever. It's entirely possible it is NOT caffeine that sways but some other aspect of the tea. We have a lot of GIRLS conceived with coffee so I'd focus more on tea than coffee.

If you don't care about timing, then yes, have the releases inside. This is because some evidence indicates there are hormones in your semen that may make her more fertile and more boy friendly. Some people choose not to do this because they are scared of timing. But that is how many of us with all boys got our boys.

If you CAN, then an attempt 2 days before O, one day before O, O Day (2x if possible) and the day after is GREAT. If that seems like too much or you can't predict when the ovulation day will be in advance then use the OPK and start the 3 attempts when the lines are as dark or darker than control.

There is no benefit from icing testicles or taking cold showers before sex. ONLY if you were to keep your testicles cooler for many hours a day (like 6-10 hours a day) has that ever been shown to aid fertility. Ice on the testicles for 15 minutes does nothing other than torture you LOL. Sperm cannot be magically resurrected from 15 minutes of ice. We accomplish the same thing by avoiding tight underwear, and letting you sleep in loose clothes or even in the nude overnight.

The Babydust Method is junk. They stole some of our methods, combined with old Shettles timing, went out and found a very sketchy study that supposedly "proved" it (but didn't), and have been selling it to people. But I am having people show up here who have gone a year or more trying that and haven't gotten pregnant, and many others who had opposites. From what I hear they've had so many opposites on their Facebook group that it's really dropping off in popularity.

If your daughter is 18 months then that is a big enough gap. For some reason some of the blue swayers want a very close gap (like 3-6 months) and it's that I cannot recommend. 18 months is enough.

You're not asking too much at all, that's what I'm here for, and I LOVE answering questions. Sometimes it just takes me a couple days for longer ones, so I really appreciate the bump just in case I need it! Thanks!

[Stafa]

Thanks, Atomic!

DW switched to multi + fish oil and folic acid separately. I will probably keep doing Vit E, D, Zinc, fish oil, probiotic, L-Carnitine and Arginine separately. I am working out every other day and I feel in a very good shape and condition with all supplements I take. Shall DW take probiotic too and what about prenatal? She says she used to take prenatal when she was pregnant with our DD and she is a bit worried to take it on a daily basis now but I do see a lot of people doing it.

We'll try to get rid of the second coffee and substitute it for a tea for the time being and then I can try to increase my caffeine levels when we start our actual attempts - does that sound right? Is there any particular tea that you recommend?

As far as attempts are concerned - all I care about is to do as much as we can to sway blue so everything is possible :) I was a bit scarred that releasing inside, outside the fertile window may sway pink but since your experience says the opposite, I will give it a go.

I am doing ice showers 2-5 minutes per day but I guess if it doesn't help, it can't hurt at all.

Our daughter will be a week or two before 18 months when we start our actual attempts but that probably makes no difference at all?

Last but not least, when it comes to food, we are trying to do something like the HE diet, having breakfast every day with some good amount of protein and bananas, having avocado at least once a day or every second day, dropped most of the dairy and added a lot of meat and salt. DW is having lemon water pretty much every day too. Is there any crucial thing we are missing?

Re: Babydust method - I thought so too but thanks for confirming!

And thanks again for all your help!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes definitely have her take a probiotic.

I am not understanding why your wife is nervous to take a prenatal?

If she is taking a multi she should just stick with that instead. Do not mix multivitamin and prenatal.

Green and black tea are fine. I'd avoid herb tea.

If you're ok with the ice showers they're probably fine, don't help don't hurt kind of thing.

It is also fine not to have those additional releases inside if you're too worried about it. It's just what has worked for a lot of us when we got boy after boy!

Yep a couple weeks beforehand is no big deal. That's close enough to 18 months.

I generally don't recommend cutting dairy and eating a ton of salt but if that's your preference I'm fine with it as long as you're on the supplements and eating a good amount of animal fat otherwise.

Are you guys exercising?

[Stafa]

Sure thing, she will start probiotic right away.

She was nervous to take prenatal just because she haven't heard someone taking it on a random basis and without being pregnant, maybe that's how it is known to be used here in Bulgaria. She does take multivitamin by Jamieson (https://www.jamiesonvitamins.com/collections/adult-multivitamins/products/100-complete-multivitamin-for-adults), not sure if you've heard about them but they are considered to include everything one needs. She takes fish oil separately and will add probiotic today.

We will replace the second coffee with black/green tea, thanks.

I wouldn't say I am worried about the additional releases in particular. I just want to avoid anything that could sway pink and to do everything that can sway blue but since this worked for you and since you are saying that the releases inside may create a more boy-friendly environment, I am totally fine to give it a try.

We do have some dairy but kinda decreased it a bit. We do eat pork, chicken, veal and definitely taking a good amount of animal fat. We take some good portion protein as well.

I am working out (weights) every second day while DW is doing stretching exercises for flexibility (yoga included) twice a week + weights exercises two-three times a week. We are both trying to avoid cardio. Does that sound right?

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh ok I see. Prenatal would replace the multivitamin (you don't need to take them both at the same time) and it's fine to take a prenatal when not pregnant.

But that multi is ok too. She can just keep going with that.

Everything else is looking great! You may want to eat the most red meat, and the least pork, with the chicken sort of in between. The kind of fat in red meat may be a bit better than that in the pork. :)

[Stafa]

Well, I have nothing else to say but thank you so much for your time and tips, Atomic!

We are getting closer to the "real deal" - we'll most likely start the actual attempts at the beginning of February and I hope everything will go according to plan. Will keep you updated and thanks again!

[atomic sagebrush]

My pleasure! Let me know if you need anything else!

[Stafa]

Hi again Atomic!

We are getting close to our actual attempts (DW expects her AF to be here in a day or two, so we are probably 10-20 days away from TTC) and I just wanted to sum up everything we’ve done so far, to make sure we are on the right path and see if there is anything else we can do as a last chance to take the odds in our favour.

In terms of lifestyle:

I am home office for almost an year now, working with relatively moderate level of stress. Most of the stress comes from the question if everything will go well and of course, if we will manage to do a successful blue sway. I am having some sort of high protein cottage cheese with powder protein, oat flakes, banana, sometimes dark chocolate and peanut butter for my breakfast. Lunch is often some fish/meatballs/chicken/pork and some salad, a snack similar to the breakfast and mainly meat or salad with tuna fish (always trying to be protein rich) for dinner. I drink a beer or a glass of wine per day tops and 50-100ml vodka once a week (mainly if there is a party or any other occasion), eating junk (chips and stuff) 2-3 times a week too. I work out 3-4 times a week (at home as all gyms are closed now). I am not doing any cardio and am taking Vit D, E, Zink, probiotic, fish oil, L-Carnitine and Arginine. Switched to 1 coffee and 1 tea, instead of 2 coffees daily.

DW is doing babysitting as her main “job” as DD is 17months old and still at home. Sometimes she is a bit stressed and tired because of all the energy she puts in taking care of our little one. She works out 2-3 times per week, no cardio too. She eats oat flakes with rice milk, powder protein and banana for breakfast, same lunch as me, protein waffle (bar) as a snack and often same dinner as me - trying to take a lot more protein than she used to before. She is taking Multivitamin, probiotic and fish oil as well. 1-2 coffees per day, some lemon water from time to time too.

I think we are both in a way better shape than when we made our DD. I gained two-three kilos for the past 1 month but haven’t stopped working out at all.

Is there anything we can change in terms of lifestyle for the remaining ~ two weeks until we start our actual attempts?
In terms of DTD and as far as I understood, we shall start having sex right after her AF is over every two days and when we get close to the ovulation day we will try to do as many attempts as possible on the day before O, twice on O day and the day after O (if we manage to confirm which day is it exactly). Last month we used OPK but didn’t get any adequate information (not sure if we did something wrong) as she went to her doctor and he confirmed that her O was the exact same day as her phone app predicted - the ovulation strips didn’t confirm that, though. That said, this is one of the things I am still worried about but I guess just as many attempts as possible is what we are after? Also, to confirm - relasing inside every time we have sex, right?

I have also written down all your tips on DTD, laying down and all other stuff you recommended. Is there anything else we can do? Do you think subscribing to any of your plans can make a difference? I am willing to do whatever it takes. If it's too late for any special plans, I still appreciate your help and can pay for all the information you shared, or simply donate to your cause, I don't know.

Huge thanks once again!

[atomic sagebrush]

I think we talked about this already, but your wife is avoiding dairy for the sway, right??

What type of protein is in the protein powder?? Soy, or whey?

Yes that is the pattern I like to see, with the release inside. :agree: that is how most of us with all boys got our boys.

While I always appreciate the plans, as they enable me to do this as my full time job, the truth is I wouldn't give you any more info than I already have here.

If anyone ever wants to give me a "tip" LOL you guys can Paypal me at gregory149@paypal.com, but I help everyone I can for free. The money I earn helps me to be able to keep doing this rather than having to work outside the home, though.

[Stafa]

Thanks for the quick reply, Atomic!

I wouldn't say DW is avoiding dairy super strictly - she just decreased it, she still has some pizza with mozzarella cheese, pasta with parmesan cheese, yoghurt from time to time. She is also taking calcium from the rice milk she uses for breakfast. Are there any changes we need to make in this aspect?

It's a whey powder protein we both use.

As for the tip - Paypal is not that widely used in BG and I personally don't have one but I will make sure to find a way to thank you for all your help! I really appreciate what you are doing :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok great! All that sounds fantastic! The rice milk is fine in moderation as long as she's still getting some dairy fat from somewhere.

The whey protein is fine too. It's soy I don't like.

Hey, no worries - I help everyone for free, it's just a way some people have said thanks now and then. :) sending you all the blue dust I can!

[Stafa]

Hi again, Atomic!

The time has come, so last questions here (hopefully) :)

DW AF came on January 29th and is about to be over tomorrow (February 5th) but here comes the first question - it actually ends today according to her phone app but she says she still have that little brown thing so it's most likely to be over tomorrow? Is it OK to consider tomorrow its last day and start our attempts every other day?

According to her app, her O is on the 10th this month (CD 13), 6 days from now, so If we start BDing tomorrow, we will do it on the 5th, 7th and then 9th, two times on 10th (O day) and one last attempt on 11th, right or is there a better pattern you would recommend? Following the CD, that would mean BD on CD 8, CD 10, CD 12, 2 times on CD 13 and last one on CD 14?

I know you don't really trust apps but this one proved right as it matched her O day last month with what DW doctor said. Her AF is usually constant, at 28 days. It got late 2-3 days this month, most probably due to the supplements she started taking about a month ago.

Any last suggestions to take the odds in our favor - like increase caffeine, workout more intensively, eat more vegetables, add coq10, add coconut water, get more meat, add more fruits or anything else that you think can help us? Given our first child, I believe that things will happen from the first time and I really really want to make sure I've done everything on my powers to sway blue and get that so-wanted baby boy.

Thank you!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes! Regardless of what the phone app says just start the attempts when you feel comfortable.

I would like to see you also have attempt on CD 15in case of delayed ovulation. Even if the app was right in the past, there is no guarantee that it will be right in the future.

If her period was late, though, it may mean she ovulated later. Supplements cannot make a period be late. Supplements affect ovulation, and then the period comes later in the month because ovulation also came later in the month.

It is certainly fine to add more veg and meat, etc, if you like. But I would not increase exercise or caffeine. I think your body would misinterpret that as times being harder. And I would not bother starting coq10 either. It's too late for any benefit.

[Stafa]

Thanks again, Atomic and sorry for the radio silence!

We had an emergency health situation at home and had to postpone everything - looks like God told us not to do it this month. Fortunately, everything is going fine so far and we will probably start trying after her next AF - in about 10 days. Will keep in mind your advice for CD 15 too and will try to do as many attempts as possible.

Thank you so much!

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh no! I'm so sorry to hear that - hope everything is ok now!

Good luck and blue dust headed your way!

[Stafa]

Thanks, Atomic! Everything is going well so far and we will probably start our attempts tomorrow - this will be DW CD 7.

I was just going through some of your older posts and found something I wanted to clarify, just for the sake of my own calmness. It’s about the EOD theory versus the every 2-4 days BDing.

From all I’ve read so far, I was planning to go with an unprotected attempt on CD 7, 9, 11, 13, 14, 15 and eventually CD 16, where according to her app the O day is CD14. Does that sound right or not as if we go this way and if CD14 is indeed the O day, we seem to miss the O-2 day you seem to find important?

Or is there a better pattern you would recommend?

Also, in case we don’t use OPKs (we tried one here in Bulgaria but didn’t find them trustworthy), what would be the best pattern?

We may try some other ovulation strips but not sure if we have enough time to get used to them.

Thank you so much!!!


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[atomic sagebrush]

That would absolutely work as long as you can keep up with it.

if you wanted you could simply skip the CD 11 and do 12, 13, 14, 15 if you were worried about it. That would make up for the lack of OPK.

[Stafa]

Got it, thanks again!

We’ll probably do BD on CD 8, 10 and then all the way from CD 12 to 15 with two attempts on CD 14 which is considered her O day. I hope this will make things work.

This means 7 attempts and I hope it won’t decrease my sperm quality especially during the four consecutive days but since more attempts do sway blue, that’s what we’re after.

Thank you!


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[atomic sagebrush]

As long as the fertile window is open it's the more the merrier with the attempts!

Good luck and sending you all the blue dust I got!

[Stafa]

Thanks!!

We’ll start our 4 consecutive days BDing tomorrow and will do two times on CD 14 which is supposed to be the O day with three attempts every day before that.

One last thing I wanted to ask is regarding the theory about “female” sperm carrying X chromosomes being more resistant and living longer.

Is there a reason to be concerned that sperm with X chromosome from the Bd on CD 13, for example and before the next BD (in case the egg pops sometimes in between) may remain alive for a day or more and fertilise the egg just because all the sperm carrying the Y chromosome from the last BD has a shorter life cycle and might be dead already?

In other words, is there a chance for the egg to meet female sperm only?

Not sure if I was able to explain my concern and thanks again foe everything!!!


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[atomic sagebrush]

X sperm DO NOT live longer, nor are they more resilient. Though you can unfortunately still read that notion plenty of places on line, it's been thoroughly debunked. Both X and Y sperm live the same time, are about the same time, swim the same speed, etc. So there is NO CHANCE that sperm deposited earlier will only or mostly be X (trust me, if there was anything to that I would never have you guys do that!)

This is all based on one doctor's mistake, 50+ years ago, when he looked thru a microscope and wrongfully believed that because he could see big sperm and small sperm, that the big sperm were X and the small ones were Y. But he was totally incorrect. What he saw was capacitated and uncapacitated sperm. Capacitated sperm are small, energetic, and don't live long. Uncapacitated sperm are still dormant so they are slow, big, and live a long time. But these were NEVER X and Y sperm, there were X and Y in both groups all the time. This has been completely and thoroughly debunked!

[Stafa]

Right, I think I've read that before but it seems it just slipped through my mind with all the information and things I am trying to remember and put in practice - thanks again!

How important is the female O? I am asking as we had our second consecutive attempt today and 4th for the past six days and while DW had a big female O prior to me releasing inside the first two times, she couldn't get an O yesterday and today, we are probably getting somehow tired.

The reason I am asking is also because CD 14 (considered her ovulation day) is tomorrow and we plan to do 2 attempts (1 around lunch and 1 before bedtime) and I am not sure if she will be able to get a female O so I am wondering how important that is and what can I change or do to get her a female O, at least during one of the attempts. Her AF is usually coming in the evening or around bedtime, so is that when we expect the ovulation as well? I am asking as if that is the case, maybe the second attempt (near bedtime) is more important?

Are any sexual boosters or lubricants recommended at all?

Thank you so much!

[atomic sagebrush]

It's not important. I don't want any pressure for you guys. You can absolutely still get boys without female O. If it happens, great, if not, no worries.

The idea that you ovulate the same time of day your period comes is not true. (I know some sites say this but it's not true) Don't worry about that at all, have the attempts when it's convenient for you.

Yes you can use Preseed if you need to, but if she has EWCM then it's also fine to skip it.

[Stafa]

Okay, got it.

Thanks a ton!