Pink sway guidance ! Af right now would like to try for this cycle.

[Ablum]

I think I finally found the right area to post ! Lol !

Hi Atomic ! I hope this is where I would post for some advice.
I’m 10 months post part with my son. We are trying for a baby girl.
My diet is keto / fasting. Basically LE. I drink 2 black coffees a day and 1-2 coffees with cream and sweet n low. Also a small Diet Coke per night.
I fast thought out the morning black coffee only. Then break my fast on some cheeses and Brazil nuts. Dinner is a egg white omelet with 1/4 of cheese and usually 2-3 cups of a vegetable roasted. Either asparagus, cauliflower, broccoli , string beans. Also a salad of butter lettuce with oil and vinegar and mozzarella cheese balls.
I also have some sugar free chocolate at the end of the meal.
My ph is 4/4.5 regularly. I’m only taking folate. AF started Friday may 14th. We BD may 15th morning. I should be testing peak around may 26. Should we remain abstinent ? And only one attempt ? Or BD a few times ?
Also any other things I can add in ? Also what about my husband to take to increase swaying pink?

With my son we BD 8 times from af through O. Diet was similar / same.

I assume I can consider myself more active now since having the baby and taking care of him. I am not breast feeding.


I’m anxious about when to BD. What do you recommend.
Thank you so much for help.

[atomic sagebrush]

I need to know your intake of calories, grams of protein and fat. DO NOT count the protein and fat in fruit and vegetables, and ANYTHING in the low carb veg, not even calories (so don't add in the vegetables)

How old is your husband?

Please don't BD more than once in the fertile window.

Most of the things hubby takes do not work (we have had just lousy results with supplements for both hubby and wife) but if you'd like you can give him Olive Leaf Extract 500-1000 mg daily and then once you get pregnant be sure to have him wean off of it by spacing doses further and further out till down to one per week and then drop it.

Exercise needs to be actual exercise. Unfortunately just being more active doesn't seem to have the same beneficial effect.

[Ablum]

Hi !

My husband is 34 years old and a daily exercise enthusiast unlike myself. I will get on that right away though to help our sway.

Does he abstain from yesterday until fertility window ? Is that better than a daily release but no bd ?

When you say once ? When I have a flashing smiley ?

I’m only taking folate.
Should I do anything additional ?
Cranberry ?
I also have hypothyroidism so I take 88mg of synthroid a day.


my calorie intake is Calories 865
Fat 59
Protein 52

Plus the two below

Brazil Nuts 1/4- 1/2 cup
436 calories
44 fat
8.5 protein

1/2 Chocolate bar
180 calories
13 fat
1 protein


Not including lettuce salad , and 2 cups of a green vegetable ( broccoli, string bean, asparagus)

Daily Beverages
1 medium Black coffee
Lemon water
1 small Diet Coke
Plus 1-2 medium coffee with cream and Sweet n low

Weekends 1-4 glasses of wine.

[Ablum]

Also all of my dairy and cheese is full fat.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes since he's 34 he can abstain for up to 14 days.

We can't tell what is better, abstain or daily release. We just don't know because two different groups of people do these techniques, it's hard to compare. Neither of them has really seemed to add much, if anything. The important thing is to keep that one attempt as long as you can.

Do not take any additional supps. None of them work and aren't compatible with your synthroid.

And you ALWAYS eat so little or is this since you started trying to sway?? That is absolutely unacceptable, it is NOT the LE Diet at all, it's a starvation diet that is not enough food for trying to conceive safely. We have lower limits to ensure you guys are consuming enough food for your cycle to stay regular and for you to have a healthy pregnancy.

I would suggest upping cals to 1200, fat and protein to 50-60 g consistently (not counting the protein and fat in fruit and veg, and nothing in the low carb veg).

Until we get that corrected, I think you need to skip exercise. I am afraid you'll lose weight super rapidly and will delay or even stop ovulating.

[Ablum]

Yes I’ve eaten this little for about 4 years now.
I’ve lost weight and maintained it on this.
I conceived my son a month after my wedding which is when I was at my strictest.

I gained about 105lbs pregnant with him and since July 18 lost about 80lbs of it. Back eating the same way as prior.

I’m afraid if I up my intake I will be making my body think it’s in HE diet since it reacts so intense to calorie intake.

I’m okay with trying 1 BD but unsure when Its best for pink. At flashing smiling face ? Or day before I think I’ll have that ?

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, follow your gut instinct, I just can't sign off on it because I have to err on the side of safety. I understand a handful of people really can survive on so little food, it's just that I have to give blanket guidelines for the majority and I must err on the side of what is safe because I don't want anyone to cause themselves harm for the sake of swaying.

Please do not have an attempt the day before flashy. You will have NO chance of conception with that.

If you want timing, you can try the day of the SECOND flashy, but keep in mind sometimes you'll have more than just 2 flashies before going to solid smiley OR you can go straight to solid smiley with no flashies, and you'll need to have a plan in place what you want to do if that happens (skip the month? attempt again? It's up to you, just have that plan in place)

If you don't care about timing, have the one attempt the day of the first solid smiley (this is called "peak" reading on some OPK). This is a good chance of conception with one attempt and is still a slight cutoff if that is important to you.

[Ablum]

Hi Atomic.
Thank you so much for guidance. I had to take a little break from the sight because I was starting to obsess.

You believe the best chance of pink sway happens at 1 attempt during peak ovulation which would be a flashing smile or a solid?

I’m doing as much as I can with swaying.
I’m going to try and consume more calories before dtd.
I am drinking 1-3 cups of coffee per day and 1 cup of decaf. With sweet n low ans splash of cream.
I am drinking 1 caffeine free Diet Coke.
This weekend I will consume alcohol. Is wine ok? Or would vodka be better ?
My ph ( I know you don’t use that ) but it is between 4/4.5.
I’m eating lots of spinach and broccoli and lettuce leafy greens.
Folic acid daily.
Saying our prayers. And abstaining from af to the attempt.

[atomic sagebrush]

One attempt at SOME point in the fertile window. We have it at peak (first solid smiley) because that's a good chance of conception with one attempt. Timing itself doesn't seem to sway, it's the number of attempts, so we try to stick our one attempt at a point where you have good chance of conceiving with one attempt.

Even if you can just get more like 1200 cals, 40 g protein, and 30 g fat minimum consistently that will help your chances of a healthy pregnancy.

Wine or vodka, whatever you prefer. We have good results iwth all sorts of alcohol.

Good luck and pink dust headed your way!

[Ablum]

Thank you for the pink dust atomic !

I’m currently cramping but now on day 2 of flashy smiley. I’m anxious. We have not BD yet but unsure if I should wait until tomorrow and potentially have a solid smile or dtd today under the 2nd blinking one.

[Ablum]

I test every day around 4pm.
Sunday no smiley
Monday flashing smiley
Yesterday flashing smiley
Today I just tested at 11am and still flashing smiley but the line is significantly lighter. I’m afraid I’ve missed something. Is that possible ? I’m due to ovulate in the 2 days I presumed. I’m afraid I’ve missed or maybe it possible to become darker later today / tomorrow ?

[atomic sagebrush]

No it's entirely possible for the lines to go darker and lighter and back again. With those types of OPK it's the solid vs. flashy you're looking for. But it is of course possible that even though the hormone reached the concentration in your blood, it never got dark enough in the urine to register properly. My money is on the first option - it just hasn't gone dark yet.

I would suggest testing at about 1 pm in addition to 4ish. That's the time of day you'll most often have the highest amount of hormone in your urine.

[Ablum]

Okay so I should continue testing until I get the solid smile to BD ?
Not to pull the trigger just yet. ?

[atomic sagebrush]

That's your call to make - if you think you're ovulating you can have an attempt if you want, but if you prefer to wait and see that's up to you. Obviously if you miss the egg, you have NO chance, but if you go too early you don't have a great chance either.

[Ablum]

Hi !


We made the call to BD last night around 9pm. I was cramping and on cycle day 13.
Hot shower prior , J & D after 5 minutes , rephresh 8 hours prior.
My question is. Should I continue testing ?
If I “peak” in the next few days do I do another attempt 4 days later ?

[atomic sagebrush]

I would absolutely either keep testing OR just have another attempt in 72 or 96 hours. If you ovulated already it would be irrelevant, if you haven't, you'd be covered.

The only reason to continue testing (if you just plan to have another attempt) is so you know when you surged with more confidence but I honestly don't think it's necessary if you plan on attempting later.

[Ablum]

Okay I will keep testing!

[Ablum]

Okay it’s 96 hours and I’m still testing , still flashing smiles. Nothing solid.
Do we bd today at 96 hours or keep waiting ? Today is my cycle day 17.

[atomic sagebrush]

I would have sex at the 96 hour mark regardless. That way you're still in with a chance if you O later on.

[Ablum]

Hi Atomic !
We BD at 97/98 hour mark which was 10/11 pm on 5/30. 5/31 at 10 am I got a solid smiley ! Hopefully that will be a small cut off and carry me over. Will keep you posted !

[Ablum]

Hi Atomic. aF arrived today :(.

I guess we will try again this month. Maybe wait until later the day of solid smile ?

[atomic sagebrush]

Because you had sex just before the solid smiley last time I'd def. wait for the solid next time or else go to e4d in the 72 hour pattern.

Were you doing anything else that may have harmed chances of conception like shallow release, abstain, douche, jelly?

[Ablum]

Hi , I did use refresh finger , 5 min then J&d.
How do you do the e4d 72 ?

[atomic sagebrush]

If you want a better chance of conception, the first thing I'd do is drop the RepHresh finger. It doesn't work, though I keep it in the mix for people who want to do pH stuff, and it also cuts odds of conception (and that isn't how I suggest using it anyway, I don't have people using that any closer than 8-12 hours before attempt and many do more like 24) I would likely give it a month with one attempt and without the RepHresh.

If you DO want to do e4d, you would have unprotected sex every 72 hours (for better chance of conception) or 96 hours (for possibly better chance of pink, but lower chance of conception) starting after your period ends and continuing on through till when you're sure you've ovulated, even if that means going all the way through till your next period starts. It doesn't have to be those hours per se, please don't get hung up on the hours, it's just that is how we count the DAYS. So Mon/Thurs/Sun/Wed, that type of pattern.

[Ablum]

Okay , I will discontinue refresh day of and if I decide to use make sure it’s at least 24 hours prior.

The 96 hour seems to interest me more since I am aiming to sway pink. But ultimately you still prefer 1 attempt at solid smile for best chance ?

Last month my solid smile came 5 days after what would of been my ovulation day on a calendar.

[Ablum]

I also have been reducing my sodium , upping my dark leafy veggies. Folic acid daily and fiber before eating.
My husband is not taking anything other than reduced salt diet.

[atomic sagebrush]

We are getting great results with e4d. It still counts as one attempt because the attempts are far enough apart to still count as one attempt. Most people do this in the 72 hour pattern and it's still considered one attempt, but you can stretch it a day to the every 96 hours if you're ok with lower chance of conception.

I have everyone start with one attempt at first solid smiley (or first positive on classic OPK) but after a month or two of that I have you guys move on to e4d.

Can you please clarify what you mean when you say "my solid came five days after what would have been ovulation day on a calendar"?

[atomic sagebrush]

I also have been reducing my sodium , upping my dark leafy veggies. Folic acid daily and fiber before eating.
My husband is not taking anything other than reduced salt diet.

This type of diet doesn't really do anything for swaying. Let me know if you want a sway diet that actually works.

[Ablum]

Yes please I would

[atomic sagebrush]

It's here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/16780-low-everything-diet-nutshell-version.html?highlight=le+diet+nutshell

[Ablum]

Thank you !! I’m going to give a try and add in cardio as well. Coffee. I love it. I can do 3-4 cups a day does caffeinated or non caffeinated help or hurt my sway. 2 of the cups are black and 2 are cream with sweet n low.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, you can have either caffeinated or decaf, or a mix.

Both black and with cream is fine. Just tally the cream in your cal intake for the day.

[Ablum]

Hi Atomic I just saw I didn’t see some messages from our thread.

According to my calendar when I thought I would ovulate I didn’t have elevated LH or solid smiley. The solid smiley came 5 days after that so my cycle day 19.

Yesterday was my last day of af. 96 hour pattern you say is more pink ? My confusion with that is what happens if it doesn’t line up with a solid smiley ( positive opk) if we were to start that pattern today.

Also how many of the fiber pills do you suggest ?
And you would recommend dropping rephresh ?

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm just quoting this so I can see it on the same page as your question


We are getting great results with e4d. It still counts as one attempt because the attempts are far enough apart to still count as one attempt. Most people do this in the 72 hour pattern and it's still considered one attempt, but you can stretch it a day to the every 96 hours if you're ok with lower chance of conception.

I have everyone start with one attempt at first solid smiley (or first positive on classic OPK) but after a month or two of that I have you guys move on to e4d.

Can you please clarify what you mean when you say "my solid came five days after what would have been ovulation day on a calendar"?

[atomic sagebrush]

So the most likely explanation is that you ovulated later than you thought.

Well, we GUESS that 96 hours is better for pink, but we're getting good results with the 72 hour pattern too, so they're both good.

Yes, it might not line up with a positive OPK. We don't care about that. Some people may have better chance of pregnancy on a different cycle day, not on the day of positive OPK, so by having attempts every 4 days we're going to change up the time you have the attempt in relation to ovulation in case you are not getting yoru best chance of conception on the day of first positive OPK.

If you want to take fiber, use the minimum dose on the bottle (doses vary by brand) only with meals containing fat. if you're not eating fat, skip the supplement.

It's your call on the RepHresh, but it hasn't worked and does cut odds of conception.

[Ablum]

Okay we are trying the 72 hour pattern this cycle !

I also dropped the rephresh and the fiber.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just want to be sure it's clear you don't need to be 72 hours per se, just that is how you count the days!

[Ablum]

Hi Atomic !
So we did e72 this month. Last evening (tuesday) we dtd and this morning I had my first solid smiley face. So technically now we won’t be dtd again until Friday
Is this how e72 is supposed to work ?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, that is how it's supposed to work. Your attempt from last evening will cover you for a couple days and then the Friday attempt will have a shot if you ovulate later than that. You may want to aim at early on Friday rather than late at night.

If you want max odds of conception you can add in another attempt at positive OPK. But this may be less pink friendly than just the e4d in the 72 hour pattern.

[Ablum]

Okay I think I will stick with the e4d / 72 and do Friday early. Since I do want to aim for a pink sway. And only been attempting since may.

[paul121george]

I’ve just been told I need to take iron supplements will this ruin my girl sway [emoji20]


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[atomic sagebrush]

No many people do end up having to take iron on a pink sway. What dose are they suggesting?

[Ablum]

Hi Atomic. Good morning. Woke up to af. :(. We did e4d this past month and I was sure it would work. :(.

[Ablum]

Should I try clomid ? Is that pink friendly ?

[atomic sagebrush]

It can work, just that it takes time, that's all. We can keep going with e4d or go to e4d plus one.

Clomid is great for pink if you can get some.

[Ablum]

I got some ! He wants me to use day 5-9 is that right ? Then also do e4d?

[Ablum]

Also sorry , day 1 of af is the first day of flow not the first sporting day correct? Just want to be accurate.

[Ablum]

Sorry for the multiple responses I was prescribed “50mg tablets two per day “

[Ablum]

I thought it should be 50mg once a day

[atomic sagebrush]

I got some ! He wants me to use day 5-9 is that right ? Then also do e4d?

I think we see best results for conception with Clomid 3-7 but CD 5-9 can work too. 5-9 may have lower chances of twinning.

[atomic sagebrush]

Also sorry , day 1 of af is the first day of flow not the first sporting day correct? Just want to be accurate.

Yes, unless your period starts 14 days after ovulation with a day or two of spotting. You're trying to understand if the spotting is coming at the end of your last cycle (in that case you'd have a short LP with spotting prior to your actual period coming) or if you just ALWAYS start your period with spotting.

That all sounds complicated but rest assured the Clomid is pretty forgiving so if you aren't sure, it doesn't matter a day either way.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sorry for the multiple responses I was prescribed “50mg tablets two per day “

He's starting you on 100?? That's fairly unusual, are you going to be getting ultrasound monitoring? If not I'd have you just do the 50 unless you have reason to believe you won't ovulate on 50.

[Ablum]

He isn’t concerned at at. I think it was a prescription error honestly. I will start just 50mg one tablet tonight for the next 5 days.
So it will either be my cycle day 4 or 5 depending on how my first day was perceived.

Now would my e4d start today ? Or after af is completely over ?

[atomic sagebrush]

Wait till your last dose of medicine. That's worked pretty well for us!

[Ablum]

So no release until then ? I’m sorry for so many questions. We have not BD since last months attempt. If I BD tonight and follow 72 hour pattern will land on last dose which is Monday 7/19 and so on.

[atomic sagebrush]

Have your husband continue to release every 2-4 days for healthy sperm between attempts. Try to avoid long abstains for him in the future as that's not good for sperm quality.

You are more than welcome to start having sex sooner, by all means! Go for it!

The pattern doesn't need to coincide with anything - not the last dose or anything. Just start it whenever you want and keep going with it.

[Ablum]

I mean it’s probably too late to correct this error but we’re my dairy’s supposed to not be full fat. I’ve been doing cream & half and half .

[atomic sagebrush]

Full fat dairy is fine! In fact anyone on the alternate PCOS-type diet that's better for anyone with PCOS, insulin resistance, weight to spare, or poor egg quality should use ONLY full fat dairy. Many people use half and half for their coffee, that's totally ok.

[Ablum]

Oh really !? Okay great. Thank you!

[Ablum]

Hi ! Last evening was my last day of clomid. We dtd. Cycle day 9. Should we bd in 72 or 96 hour patter or wait until solid smile ?

[atomic sagebrush]

It's your choice. Some people like to start out the first month on fertility medication and do one attempt to feel that they tried everything (but first month ONLY, then go to e4d). Others prefer to do e4d in the 96 hour pattern (this is lower chances of conception but possibly higher chance of pink, altho 72 hours has good results too). Or, you're fine starting off at e4d in the 72 hour pattern. It's gotten very good results and we have a lot more confidence in it now than we did at the start, when we weren't sure if it would be as pink friendly as it's proven to be.

[Ablum]

Hiii , me again.
So I took the clomid and we dtd every 4 days in the 72 hour pattern. Our last bd day was Sunday. It’s now Tuesday and I just got my solid smiley face. So now I’m worried since weren’t scheduled to dtd until tmro night ?
He is due to come home at 10pm :/.

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, the Sunday attempt would likely cover thru Tuesday - that's why we have the "every 72" pattern is because it covers you no matter what.

But that having been said, it's at your discretion. If you wanted a better chance of conception you can have another attempt (and you're due for one today anyway, and should have one if you didn't), if you want a better chance of pink, stick with the attempt you've had (until today, when you're due for another attempt.)

[Ablum]

Okay we dtd Wednesday on our scheduled e4d day. So all we can do is hope and pray. You suggest continuing the e4d through the end of the cycle I believe. So we will continue until then. Ah thank you for your help!

[atomic sagebrush]

Unless you are absolutely positively SURE you've ovulated, then you can stop the e4d. But many people stop prematurely, thinking they Oed when they didn't, so continuing all month is fine by me!

[Ablum]

Hi ! aF just arrived today. 11 days from peak LH and 10 days after supposed ovulation. And that’s with clomid. … I’m unsure if I’m doing something wrong.

[atomic sagebrush]

Tell me more about your diet.

Are you taking any supplements? Even something that seems harmless like tea?

[Ablum]

Black coffee sipping most of the day until 3pm when I switch to coffee with cream and sweet n low. I have some cheese and veggies. Then for dinner I have either chicken or a egg white omelette. And I have a giant side of roasted vegetables (asparagus, broccoli, green beans, escarole, broccoli rabe). And a salad with tiny mozzarella and oil and red wine vinegar. A small Diet Coke. And a sugar free chocolate bar. Daily. Occasional cheat on the weekend and some wine.

No supplements the only 2 things I take are the synthroid ( in the morning ) for my thyroid and folic acid at night time before bed. I did clomid this month as well.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. For starters, you are waiting too long to eat. Do not go any further than 12-16 hours overnight.

Secondly, I can't know this without seeing your days' totals, but it is looking to me like you are not eating enough. You need to be eating 1500-1800 cals a day (not counting the calories in low carb veg, which are free and unlimited and you don't need to count them), 40-60 g protein, and since your LP is short, I want you on 50-60 g fat from here on in. You don't count protein and fat in fruit and veg, so you need to hit those limits WITHOUT counting the protein and fat in fruit and veg. Based on what you are telling me, I find it hard to believe you're hitting those totals and that can explain why your LP is getting short. So let's boost your food intake and see if things get better.

[Ablum]

This makes more sense to me now. I was worried I was over my limits in calories and fat from my love of cheese lol. I do consume a lot plus the half/half in my coffee.
I will take a better log and try and pinpoint those key tips you gave me this month.

[atomic sagebrush]

You can definitely have cheese on the LE Diet.

[paul121george]

Plz help. Been on the le diet since the 14th June staying within the numbers but this month still waiting for my period. I’ve had shows but nothing more at the moment 3 days late was hoping to dtd next month. [emoji2368][emoji20]


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[paul121george]

Don’t know if this is relevant but had COVID early July. [emoji174]


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[atomic sagebrush]

Plz help. Been on the le diet since the 14th June staying within the numbers but this month still waiting for my period. I’ve had shows but nothing more at the moment 3 days late was hoping to dtd next month. [emoji2368][emoji20]


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What is your BMI? How much weight have you lost? And what totals are you eating within?? Are you including the protein, fat in fruit and veg, and ANYTHING in low carb veg?

[atomic sagebrush]

Don’t know if this is relevant but had COVID early July. [emoji174]


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Yes, Covid has been known to cause disruptions in the menstrual cycle in particular. Additionally, being ill with any disease can also cause ovulation to be delayed. But let's go ahead and ensure you're eating enough and your answers to my questions will help me rule some things out. :) hope you're feeling better.

[paul121george]

What is your BMI? How much weight have you lost? And what totals are you eating within?? Are you including the protein, fat in fruit and veg, and ANYTHING in low carb veg?

Not sure of my bmi lost about 1/2stone (6lbs) calories can sometimes be low but try to maintain at least 1500 30-60g fat and 40-50g protein. I’ve been trying to hit the top end of those numbers for the last couple of weeks. Not counting anything in the veg. X


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[paul121george]

Not sure of my bmi lost about 1/2stone (6lbs) calories can sometimes be low but try to maintain at least 1500 30-60g fat and 40-50g protein. I’ve been trying to hit the top end of those numbers for the last couple of weeks. Not counting anything in the veg. X


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My bmi is 23.9. X


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[atomic sagebrush]

Since your BMI is in normal range and you've lost just a reasonable amount, my gut instinct is that this is likely Covid related and not diet. But do continue eating more like 50-60 g protein and fat while keeping cals in the 1500-1800 range.