Trying to perfect my girl sway

[Dreamingofpink01]

Hello atomic!
I am closing in on my girl sway as we are trying the end of June. I would like you to evaluate my sway:
Background info:
-I am breastfeeding my 16 month old still only 2x a day
- my bmi is at an 18.5
- I have been taking calcium and magnesium folic acid and d3 supplements( i just found your post talking about how they don’t sway and could actually sway blue)
- I’ve been following the diet very loosely since may, I tracked calories for a few days and I was hitting 1600-1800 not eating red meat, avocados, tomatoes, potatoes, only really eat chicken or fish. I am trying to drink more milk as with both my boys I really only ate cheese and yogurt occasionally. I find it very difficult to track everything and I think this would end up stressing me out more than anything.
- I have been skipping breakfast for the last 3 weeks
- I have been walking 6 days a week for an hour for the last 2 weeks for sure
- I don’t drink coffee as my body can’t handle much caffeine, but I have been drinking decaf instant coffee with whipping cream in it to get my by in the morning of fasting.
- I haven’t been snacking as much as I used to. I really only eat at lunch and supper and then a dessert snack at about 8:30 pm

We plan to only bd 1x after abstaining 7 days, I’m going to aim for a 2-3 day cut off.
Plan to have hot showers before, I also plan to drink crystal lite or Diet Coke from af-o. Plan to drink alcohol everyday from af-o.
Hubby will take olive leaf extract from af-o and Diet Coke.

I would appreciate your advice on how my sway is looking considering we really want to try this month and I just recently found some of your info so I haven’t been able to do some of the things for too long.
I also am questioning to stop taking the supplements, just take the folic acid.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Hi again!

It is important to track. I understand it feels challenging at first, but you need to be sure you're eating enough protein and fat to get and stay pregnant. Since you are breastfeeding we need you at 50-60 g protein and fat, and that is not counting the amount of protein and fat in fruit and veg. Also, low carb veg are free for everything, including calories, so they are free and unlimited, have as many low carb veg as you want, no need to count them. This means you likely have to eat even more of other foods to compensate for that.

Avoiding making color coded charts of pH fluctuations, detailed schedules in which you plot out every hour of every day months in advance - that is the kind of control freak stress to avoid. Avoiding tracking is NOT "reducing stress" because you WILL end up not ovulating and/or conceiving, and then you'll have plenty of stress ending up having to eat basically a blue sway diet just in order to get pregnant. Please do the minimal amount of tracking - calories, protein, fat. you will get used to it very quickly and then it will be an afterthought.

You are not eating enough. Your BMI is already at my minimum "do not go below this amount or else" and I like breastfeeding moms to be eating 1800 cals minimum. Eat more!

Milk is fine within limits but please do not exceed the limits to drink more milk. The mineral balancing diets are nonsensical biologically impossible crap based on animals so different from humans they don't even reproduce in the same way. The diets only work because they are different in nutrient content, and the people who approach the mineral diets eating tons of calories in the form of milk and chicken still end up having boys anyway. When I was back on Ingender, which features mineral diets, I could pick out whose sways would fail based on the amount of food they were eating - it had nothing to do with the minerals! Stick in those limits!

Decaf coffee very likely has the "magic". It very likely isn't caffeine, it's something in the coffee itself that is helping our pink sways so that is just fine.

Is hubby over 35?

He needs to take OLE daily all month not just AF-O. He also needs to wean off it gradually rather than just stopping it half the month.

Yes, I would ahve you wean off any other supps you're taking but keep the folic acid. Don't drop them cold turkey, just wean off.

[Dreamingofpink01]

Hi again!

It is important to track. I understand it feels challenging at first, but you need to be sure you're eating enough protein and fat to get and stay pregnant. Since you are breastfeeding we need you at 50-60 g protein and fat, and that is not counting the amount of protein and fat in fruit and veg. Also, low carb veg are free for everything, including calories, so they are free and unlimited, have as many low carb veg as you want, no need to count them. This means you likely have to eat even more of other foods to compensate for that.

Avoiding making color coded charts of pH fluctuations, detailed schedules in which you plot out every hour of every day months in advance - that is the kind of control freak stress to avoid. Avoiding tracking is NOT "reducing stress" because you WILL end up not ovulating and/or conceiving, and then you'll have plenty of stress ending up having to eat basically a blue sway diet just in order to get pregnant. Please do the minimal amount of tracking - calories, protein, fat. you will get used to it very quickly and then it will be an afterthought.

You are not eating enough. Your BMI is already at my minimum "do not go below this amount or else" and I like breastfeeding moms to be eating 1800 cals minimum. Eat more!

Milk is fine within limits but please do not exceed the limits to drink more milk. The mineral balancing diets are nonsensical biologically impossible crap based on animals so different from humans they don't even reproduce in the same way. The diets only work because they are different in nutrient content, and the people who approach the mineral diets eating tons of calories in the form of milk and chicken still end up having boys anyway. When I was back on Ingender, which features mineral diets, I could pick out whose sways would fail based on the amount of food they were eating - it had nothing to do with the minerals! Stick in those limits!

Decaf coffee very likely has the "magic". It very likely isn't caffeine, it's something in the coffee itself that is helping our pink sways so that is just fine.

Is hubby over 35?

He needs to take OLE daily all month not just AF-O. He also needs to wean off it gradually rather than just stopping it half the month.

Yes, I would ahve you wean off any other supps you're taking but keep the folic acid. Don't drop them cold turkey, just wean off.

Thank you so much for looking over my plan!

Okay so I started tracking again, if I’m not meeting my daily limits should I be having breakfast or should I just eat more during lunch and supper? I’m trying to avoid snacking and breakfast so that’s where im finding it tricky to get all my protein cals and fats in. I do like my evening snacking though, im always eating ice cream or popcorn before bedtime.

Very good points you make! I’m hoping everything still works out even though I haven’t been doing all the things very long. But like you say, we may not get pregnant first try since I’m only doing the one BD.

Hubby is 31 so abstaining is fine, correct?

Is there any other strong sway tactics that im missing besides the diet, exercise and the 1 Bd?


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[Dreamingofpink01]

Also, when I’m exercising and losing calories that way, do I need to make up for those by eating even more?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Whichever option works better for you. Add a meal if you need to (and you can still eat "breakfast" just push it back a few hours) or eat more if that suits you. Doing what works best for your satiety (evening snack is a-ok!) is the key to being able to stick to the diet long term.

Yep abstain is fine for you guys! :agree:

No, those are the things I really recommend (plus Clomid or Femara if you can get them). The other stuff is all just "window dressing" that ends up cutting odds of conception for no benefit to the sway...and possible harm, if it makes you go on so long not conceiving that you give up totally! Everyone thinks that won't happen to them but it's the Number One factor behind failed sways, people being too strict with things that don't even work, only to panic and end up dropping everything.

[atomic sagebrush]

Also, when I’m exercising and losing calories that way, do I need to make up for those by eating even more?


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No. Just eat what is in the diet and do your exercise, and then if you notice weight flying off, eat more. No need to do a bunch of math to figure it out (that's the control freakishness that may harm sways negatively) just let your weight be your guide.

[Dreamingofpink01]

No. Just eat what is in the diet and do your exercise, and then if you notice weight flying off, eat more. No need to do a bunch of math to figure it out (that's the control freakishness that may harm sways negatively) just let your weight be your guide.

That all sounds very good. Thank you so much! I lost a couple pounds at the beginning of all this but now I’ve plateaued so I feel like I must be eating enough calories at this point especially since I’ve been doing the Exercise strictly for the last three weeks.

I was trying to find a guide on the olive leaf extract for hubby. Is it just 500mg a day for a month then when you get your bfp he stops taking them or weans off of them? Or I thought I read once you get Af you take a break from them. Or am I mistaking that for licorice root?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Ok but be sure you're erring on the side of eating enough. It's a big pitfall to cut back too far and then end up having to eat more again to compensate!

Yes, it's 500-1000 mg (the variation is that people can't always find 500, so 650, 750, etc is ok) all month long and then wean off at BFP. Yes, the off and on pattern was for licorice root but that has had terrible results for us and we've given up on it.

[Dreamingofpink01]

Hello again, I’m currently in the two week wait now. 1dpo to be exact. Just wondering if I can take a break from the exercise and the diet?


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[atomic sagebrush]

No, you need to stay on the diet and exercise in the 2ww. Our results show clearly that 2-4 weeks on diet is ineffective, so going off diet 2 weeks every month will not be swaying for you. Stay on diet till BFP.

[Dreamingofpink01]

Okay thank you! If I wanted to have a cheat day now would be an okay time right since if we did conceive this month the gender would have been determined already?
And when can we resume bd’ing?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Cheat days happen when they happen, but yes in the 2WW, particularly the week before your period is due to arrive, is a good time for one. But if you have a cheat day some other point, that's ok too. We take cheating now and then into account.

[Dreamingofpink01]

So I ended up pregnant and had a week of positive tests and was eating all the meat and snacks. And stopped exercising. Sadly it ended as a chemical pregnancy.
So now I’m worried if we try again this month that I will have messed up the diet. I was on it 6 weeks prior to that. I will resume the diet now as I am on CD 1 again. But where do I go from here with the exercise since I stopped for over a week.
Also it’s hard not to question why it happened but I don’t think this time I will get hubby to abstain 7 days again. Is it that much of a sway factor?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Oh I'm so sorry to hear this. :heart:

I would just pick it up now with diet and exercise and still try. It's your call to make of course but most of the time when people fall off the wagon they're really doing a lot better than they thought they were.

Chemicals happen. I'm fine with you dropping abstain as it does nothing but chemicals are just something that occur sometimes and have nothing to do with anything we did or didn't do.

[Dreamingofpink01]

Hi again, I’m wondering if you’ve seen women that are on the lower end of bmi that have had issues with spotting during their cycle. The last two cycles I’ve had spotting for about 5 days after, basically until I ovulate. It seems weird that the month I was going to start trying that’s when the spotting started and I’ve never had issues before.
I’m wondering if excessive exercise maybe is contributing to the spotting. I’m still ovulating and getting my period but I’m just under 18.5 bmi right now and I’ve been eating more than usual. I have decided to wean from breastfeeding since I’m worried about the bmi being too low and I can’t physically eat anymore than I am unless I start to snack which I don’t want to do. My baby is 18 months so I feel ready to quit even though I know it sways girl, but after my chemical I want to try and prevent having another one if I can and my doctor told me breastfeeding and the spotting could have contributed to it as my hormones aren’t level.
Thanks!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, if you lose too much weight, and you HAVE absolutely lost too much weight, particularly when breastfeeding and exercising, you can have spotting. You are not giving your body enough raw materials to make sex hormones with and so it's causing that spotting because your estrogen levels are lower than they're meant to be at this point.

You need to immediately be eating 60 g fat daily (not counting protein and fat in fruit and veg) and do whatever it takes to stop weight loss (eating as many cals as it takes to stop that.) I'm not saying you should regain weight per se - tho if you do gain a small amount, that is ok - but that the weight loss needs to stop and more fat needs to be eaten. Drop fiber if you were taking it.

The cutoff for stopping weight loss is BMI 21. And my "do not go below this weight ever" is 18.5. So you're below that.

Breastfeeding did not cause your chemical and it's not causing the spotting (if you don't start eating more, that spotting will likely continue with or without breastfeeding). It's fine if you're ready to stop nursing, but I don't want you to stop for reasons that aren't an accurate assesment of what's going on. Doctors love to blame everything on breastfeeding but chemicals are not caused by breastfeeding an 18 month old baby, that's nonsense. After having seen tons of people lose too much weight and have issues with their cycle, that is what the cause of your spotting is and so you need to fix the actual problem.

[Dreamingofpink01]

Yes, if you lose too much weight, and you HAVE absolutely lost too much weight, particularly when breastfeeding and exercising, you can have spotting. You are not giving your body enough raw materials to make sex hormones with and so it's causing that spotting because your estrogen levels are lower than they're meant to be at this point.

You need to immediately be eating 60 g fat daily (not counting protein and fat in fruit and veg) and do whatever it takes to stop weight loss (eating as many cals as it takes to stop that.) I'm not saying you should regain weight per se - tho if you do gain a small amount, that is ok - but that the weight loss needs to stop and more fat needs to be eaten. Drop fiber if you were taking it.

The cutoff for stopping weight loss is BMI 21. And my "do not go below this weight ever" is 18.5. So you're below that.

Breastfeeding did not cause your chemical and it's not causing the spotting (if you don't start eating more, that spotting will likely continue with or without breastfeeding). It's fine if you're ready to stop nursing, but I don't want you to stop for reasons that aren't an accurate assesment of what's going on. Doctors love to blame everything on breastfeeding but chemicals are not caused by breastfeeding an 18 month old baby, that's nonsense. After having seen tons of people lose too much weight and have issues with their cycle, that is what the cause of your spotting is and so you need to fix the actual problem.

Thank you for giving me clarification that Breast feeding did not cause my chemical.

So at this point I am hopefully doing my one attempt this weekend for a girl sway as long as this whole weaning process doesn’t screw up my ovulation timing. I have stopped exercising the last three days and as soon as I stopped my spotting stopped too- whether it was coincidence or not I don’t know.
My best bet is to stop the exercise portion of my sway then and just continue on doing the diet.?

I am eating three meals a day and one snack at bedtime am reaching my daily limits for the most part and now that i am weaning because my bmi is still under weight should I Carry on the diet with the breast feeding limits of 1800-2000 Cals a day?


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[atomic sagebrush]

I would wait till ovulation occurs, then pick up exercise at a more moderate amount and eat more. The exercise has been very effective, and if you eat enough, you can still exercise (even tho you may need less exercise than others). The problem is that this stuff is cumulative so if you don't eat enough and you're exercising a ton and you lose gobs of weight, you will see these problems arise. The solution is not to then turn around and stop doing this thing or that thing, but to ease back on EVERYthing - stop losing weight, exercise less but keep exercising, eat more, and you'll see the problem fix itself without dropping anything.

Yes, please eat however much you need to keep weight on. even if you need to surpass the 2000 calories, just eat enough to stop that weight loss.

[Dreamingofpink01]

Okay thank you so much for your guidance. The weight loss hasn’t been a huge amount- normally I’m about 118lbs and since doing the diet I’m at 114lbs. My exercise that I’ve been doing for the sway has only been walking anyway so it’s not super hard core. I didn’t want to be on the diet that long because I was on the lower end of the bmi scale so I only did it for 6 weeks before our attempt but that’s when the spotting started so now that you explained everything about problems arising it makes sense.


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[atomic sagebrush]

The thinner you are, though, the more every pound "counts". It's a higher % of your body weight. So while someone else who weighed more could lose that 4 lbs and it would have no effect, because you're already thin it really packs a punch.

[Dreamingofpink01]

The thinner you are, though, the more every pound "counts". It's a higher % of your body weight. So while someone else who weighed more could lose that 4 lbs and it would have no effect, because you're already thin it really packs a punch.

That makes sense. Thank you.
So if we have sex with a condom 3 days before our 1 attempt for a girl sway is that technically considered bd’ing 2x or only once since only once was unprotected.
Also when is it okay to resume sex without a condom?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Just once. An "attempt" means it is sex that you can actually get pregnant from.

When you are SURE you have ovulated. I can't give you a day for that because sometimes people actually think they've ovulated when they haven't and there isn't just a set day I can say for sure anyone has Oed.

[Dreamingofpink01]

How do you feel about moon phases and gender? I’ve been reading a lot about it lately and it seems legit.


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[atomic sagebrush]

If you're talking about either Jonas or other astrology-based stuff, that is nonsense and totally unscientific. Because the boy days and girl days are separated by only a couple days either way, people (99.99% of whom have no idea when they ovulated and when they had sex in relation to their ovulation, let alone the time of their own birth let alone when they were conceived) fudge the results until they get the day they "must have" conceived to make the moon phase come out right. So many of the people who say it is accurate for them really are mistaken.

It simply makes NO EARTHLY sense based on the substantial evidence we have about diet/exercise and other lifestyle factors swaying that you could conceive a different gender kid on Thursday than you would have on Wednesday. Either swaying works for a reason, because some things like diet and lifestyle favor the survival of one gender over another, or else it's just random BS based on mysticism and magic, and I've seen too much scientific evidence in favor of real-world explanation to ever believe in magical hooh-hah.

Now, if you are asking about moon phases in terms of "ions" which is a faux-scientific explanation that some sway sites delve into, ions for swaying make no sense whatsoever and I have a really long explanation of why they cannot possibly work in the ways that some people claim here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/63173-ion-insanity.html?highlight=ion+insanity

Finally, if you are referring to moon phase in terms of moonlight and when you ovulate, this is the most plausible (but still not particularly plausible) and I have an essay on that here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/63173-ion-insanity.html?highlight=ion+insanity

[Dreamingofpink01]

Great this info is extremely helpful and makes me not buy into it as much as the lady that talks about moon phases and how she has a 98% success rate.

Also, I have a friend who is trying to buy one of
Your programs and she can’t get through to you and she’s tried to start a discussion with you but it wont let her on the app. Any suggestions?


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[atomic sagebrush]

If anything truly had a 98% success rate, the world would beat a path to her door. All she would need to do is prove it, and if it's so easy to do, she manage the feat so quite easily. She would be a multimillionaire if she could actually do that and it would put the pittance of money she earns from making astrology charts to shame. What's more, it would upend all medical science and what we think we know about biology and the workings of the world itself. So ask yourself, why would she not do this?? What possible motivation would a person have to sit on information that is so incredibly revolutionary that it would change the entire world, improving the lives of millions of women who are under great threat to their lives if they have the wrong gender baby, possibly even saving babies' lives in the process (since sadly, infanticide based on gender is still a thing)? There could be no possible motivation for keeping such a miracle secret other than that she really does not have 98% success rates.

Yes, the woman who handles the activation of accounts has had an ongoing medical situation with her family and is not as present as we would like right now. People's accounts are not getting activated in a timely manner and they can't buy plans.
Have your friend email me at atomicsagebrush@gmail.com and I'll help her however I can via email instead.

[Dreamingofpink01]

Okay thank you. She said she emailed you!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Ok thanks I'll be looking for it!

[Dreamingofpink01]

She had emailed yesterday.. maybe it’s in your junk? She’s wanting a plan ASAP so she can start the diet to try next month. Thanks


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[atomic sagebrush]

Ok! I don't always check my messages every day so sometimes one sneaks past me. Thanks for letting me know!

[Dreamingofpink01]

Hi atomic!
I’m back, sadly. So I had a chemical pregnancy the first time after swaying. Got back into the swaying train and just had another loss. Missed miscarriage at 9 weeks baby stopped growing at 7.
I just read your swaying and miscarriages article and it makes me want to take a different approach to things. I know we will never know what caused the two consecutive losses but at this point I’m not willing to take a huge risk. I don’t need my baby girl that desperately, I would just like to have any healthy baby at this point.

I tried the diet and I tracked most days to stay in the guildelines, but I feel I was not 100% faithful to it and that may have been more detrimental to me in the fact that I was not getting enough calories. Also I was breastfeeding through part of it then I stopped after the chemical and I probably ate the same through it all.

I also took 1 1000 mcg folic acid a day and then switched to prenatal after I got pregnant.

I also did the exercise 6 days a week for an hour. That mostly consisted of walking.

We did one attempt in the fertile window 4 days before ovulation.

Husband took OLE.

So now at this point, I was deeply saddened by the loss of another pregnancy, but what made it more sad was the fact that I’d have to do the diet all over again. So me and my husband discussed it and decided I won’t be doing that as part of my sway due to the history.

I will try not to snack all day but I will stick to my usual foods I eat and maybe just not eat as much meat. I used to eat a whole steak haha. I’ll cut back on things like that where I know it’s probably better for my Health anyway.

I will do the exercise once I feel up to it again and I’ll see if husband wants to do OLÉ again. And we will do the one attempt. Is there anything else I should be doing that won’t potentially lead to another miscarriage?


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[girlygirl76]

Hi! I'm new here and I just have to say I'm very confused. I bought the Babydust book months ago, read it, believed it, and then saw a bunch of fails on the facebook group (although with 40k+ members I guess that makes sense). Then I became obsessive about the lunar method. I looked up so many due dates that I knew (including my son's) and they were all conceived in the right phases if you backtrack. Granted, I do not know when everyone ovulated exactly but I know when I did in 2019 to conceive my son. Anyway, there has to be SOME truth to it, right? I don't even know what to believe! And here I am, trying to sway girl with a 3 day cutoff the other day (I think). I'm not sure if I ovulated on Monday or Tuesday but I peaked early Monday morning at like 7:30. So looking at the lunar method, I could have ovulated Monday night in girl phase or Tuesday in boy phase. Does this even make sense? Like you say, if it was so successful, why is it a big secret?

So now I am freaking out that I did it all wrong. I also peaked on my lunar fertile day, which I'm not sure is good or bad. All I've wanted for SO long is a daughter so I can share the same relationship I share with my own mother. I've prayed for her and have researched this for months, but felt I completely screwed up this weekend when I just decided to go for it.

The 98% success rate is also based on a very small sample size, so I would take that with a grain of salt, but I have to say I'm really just not even sure what to do! Help! LOL. Why is this so difficult?!

[Dreamingofpink01]

Hi! I'm new here and I just have to say I'm very confused. I bought the Babydust book months ago, read it, believed it, and then saw a bunch of fails on the facebook group (although with 40k+ members I guess that makes sense). Then I became obsessive about the lunar method. I looked up so many due dates that I knew (including my son's) and they were all conceived in the right phases if you backtrack. Granted, I do not know when everyone ovulated exactly but I know when I did in 2019 to conceive my son. Anyway, there has to be SOME truth to it, right? I don't even know what to believe! And here I am, trying to sway girl with a 3 day cutoff the other day (I think). I'm not sure if I ovulated on Monday or Tuesday but I peaked early Monday morning at like 7:30. So looking at the lunar method, I could have ovulated Monday night in girl phase or Tuesday in boy phase. Does this even make sense? Like you say, if it was so successful, why is it a big secret?

So now I am freaking out that I did it all wrong. I also peaked on my lunar fertile day, which I'm not sure is good or bad. All I've wanted for SO long is a daughter so I can share the same relationship I share with my own mother. I've prayed for her and have researched this for months, but felt I completely screwed up this weekend when I just decided to go for it.

The 98% success rate is also based on a very small sample size, so I would take that with a grain of salt, but I have to say I'm really just not even sure what to do! Help! LOL. Why is this so difficult?!

Hi, I know you’re probably looking for advice from
Atomic. But I feel that I’m just as confused as you are. I looked into bdm and there are lots of fails on there and the success rate is a lie on that group too. And I don’t understand why she can’t keep track to keep up with better statistics. She obviously approves if it was a perfect bdm sway or not so shouldn’t that be easy to keep track of?

And I also came across the lunar method which seems too good to be true too. And like you said the success rate is a very small group right now so I’ve been watching it to see what happens. It seems like a lot of people that got opposite of what they want fall under not following the guidelines. Im not convinced with that.

Not sure what to do either I was trying to do a mix of all these different sways but it’s just too much and after the losses I feel like it’s a sign that it’s out of my control anyway. Less is more sometimes and I feel like I’m gonna just do the basics that don’t end up
With me being all stressed out from all the sway tactics.


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[girlygirl76]

I'm looking for advice from anyone who isn't me because this is stressing me out SOOOO much lol. Thank you for responding! Lunar is definitely too good to be true, and it can also take a super long time to line everything up, so I guess unless you have 10 months you're willing to potentially wait out or try or whatever, maybe that's the big catch. Everything just has to line up perfectly. And that's great for the 8 or so people who it has lined up for so far, but eventually people will fail, right???

Did you go back and look at conception dates for your sons to see if lunar rang true? I can't stop trying to see people's sways and how successful they were. I've looked at so many and found one that was off. That's way too good to be true!! The other thing is with a 2 day switch from gender to gender, Atomic is right - what is the difference of conceiving on a thursday vs. a friday or whatever?

I agree about doing the basics. I can't get all wrapped up in a million things because it's too stressful. Hope we both get our girls soon. I'm 35 so I'm not having another one after this. Praying every day for a girl!

[girlygirl76]

Hi, I know you’re probably looking for advice from
Atomic. But I feel that I’m just as confused as you are. I looked into bdm and there are lots of fails on there and the success rate is a lie on that group too. And I don’t understand why she can’t keep track to keep up with better statistics. She obviously approves if it was a perfect bdm sway or not so shouldn’t that be easy to keep track of?

And I also came across the lunar method which seems too good to be true too. And like you said the success rate is a very small group right now so I’ve been watching it to see what happens. It seems like a lot of people that got opposite of what they want fall under not following the guidelines. Im not convinced with that.

Not sure what to do either I was trying to do a mix of all these different sways but it’s just too much and after the losses I feel like it’s a sign that it’s out of my control anyway. Less is more sometimes and I feel like I’m gonna just do the basics that don’t end up
With me being all stressed out from all the sway tactics.


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I'm looking for advice from anyone who isn't me because this is stressing me out SOOOO much lol. Thank you for responding! Lunar is definitely too good to be true, and it can also take a super long time to line everything up, so I guess unless you have 10 months you're willing to potentially wait out or try or whatever, maybe that's the big catch. Everything just has to line up perfectly. And that's great for the 8 or so people who it has lined up for so far, but eventually people will fail, right???

Did you go back and look at conception dates for your sons to see if lunar rang true? I can't stop trying to see people's sways and how successful they were. I've looked at so many and found one that was off. That's way too good to be true!! The other thing is with a 2 day switch from gender to gender, Atomic is right - what is the difference of conceiving on a thursday vs. a friday or whatever?

I agree about doing the basics. I can't get all wrapped up in a million things because it's too stressful. Hope we both get our girls soon. I'm 35 so I'm not having another one after this. Praying every day for a girl!

[Dreamingofpink01]

I'm looking for advice from anyone who isn't me because this is stressing me out SOOOO much lol. Thank you for responding! Lunar is definitely too good to be true, and it can also take a super long time to line everything up, so I guess unless you have 10 months you're willing to potentially wait out or try or whatever, maybe that's the big catch. Everything just has to line up perfectly. And that's great for the 8 or so people who it has lined up for so far, but eventually people will fail, right???

Did you go back and look at conception dates for your sons to see if lunar rang true? I can't stop trying to see people's sways and how successful they were. I've looked at so many and found one that was off. That's way too good to be true!! The other thing is with a 2 day switch from gender to gender, Atomic is right - what is the difference of conceiving on a thursday vs. a friday or whatever?

I agree about doing the basics. I can't get all wrapped up in a million things because it's too stressful. Hope we both get our girls soon. I'm 35 so I'm not having another one after this. Praying every day for a girl!

Yes this is our last baby too! That’s why I thought I would give it my all and do everything I could to try and get my girl that way I would never regret anything. But I think I took it too far and this is my body’s way of telling me to chill out haha.

So I looked back for both my sons to see if lunar was even right and it maybe was for one of them and the other was too iffy to know. I messaged Carmen and she told me that most ovulate 12 hrs— not 24 like bdm says. And there is no real way of knowing you for sure ovulated unless you have an ultrasound right? So like atomic says she could just fudge the answers and say oh you ovulated within 12 hrs because that was girl phase and you had a girl. The moon phases switch too often and like you said, who wants to wait 10 months for everything to line up properly. I definitely don’t have the patience for that.
A friend of mine messaged her too to see what phase she was in when she conceived and she said boy and she is in fact having a boy. But could be chance. I’m gonna keep watching it because October is supposed to have lots of results and we probably won’t be able to try until November now. But I think my plan is to do exercise since it’s a good excuse to get me into shape anyway, definitely stick to the one attempt and I’ll aim for a bit of a cut off just to at least try that. Husband will take OLE if I can convince him again. He hates taking it but jeez I wish that’s all I needed to do haha. I’m not sure about supplements, I started off on the calcium and magnesium but quit those when atomic said higher nutrients in general can sway boy. I did only folic acid last time but was reading you need to wean off of it, which I didn’t do but also I don’t know if I was taking that much to begin with.
If only there were an easy answer for all this… that’s not Ivf haha.


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[girlygirl76]

Yes this is our last baby too! That’s why I thought I would give it my all and do everything I could to try and get my girl that way I would never regret anything. But I think I took it too far and this is my body’s way of telling me to chill out haha.

So I looked back for both my sons to see if lunar was even right and it maybe was for one of them and the other was too iffy to know. I messaged Carmen and she told me that most ovulate 12 hrs— not 24 like bdm says. And there is no real way of knowing you for sure ovulated unless you have an ultrasound right? So like atomic says she could just fudge the answers and say oh you ovulated within 12 hrs because that was girl phase and you had a girl. The moon phases switch too often and like you said, who wants to wait 10 months for everything to line up properly. I definitely don’t have the patience for that.
A friend of mine messaged her too to see what phase she was in when she conceived and she said boy and she is in fact having a boy. But could be chance. I’m gonna keep watching it because October is supposed to have lots of results and we probably won’t be able to try until November now. But I think my plan is to do exercise since it’s a good excuse to get me into shape anyway, definitely stick to the one attempt and I’ll aim for a bit of a cut off just to at least try that. Husband will take OLE if I can convince him again. He hates taking it but jeez I wish that’s all I needed to do haha. I’m not sure about supplements, I started off on the calcium and magnesium but quit those when atomic said higher nutrients in general can sway boy. I did only folic acid last time but was reading you need to wean off of it, which I didn’t do but also I don’t know if I was taking that much to begin with.
If only there were an easy answer for all this… that’s not Ivf haha.


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Agreed to all of this! I took cranberry supplements for about 3 weeks and it delayed O so much that I just stopped all together. Who knows. I wish it were easier. Here is pink dust to both of us! Lots of prayers and faith!!

[atomic sagebrush]

If you're talking about either Jonas or other astrology-based stuff, that is nonsense and totally unscientific. Because the boy days and girl days are separated by only a couple days either way, people (99.99% of whom have no idea when they ovulated and when they had sex in relation to their ovulation, let alone the time of their own birth let alone when they were conceived) fudge the results until they get the day they "must have" conceived to make the moon phase come out right. So many of the people who say it is accurate for them really are mistaken.

It simply makes NO EARTHLY sense based on the substantial evidence we have about diet/exercise and other lifestyle factors swaying that you could conceive a different gender kid on Thursday than you would have on Wednesday. Either swaying works for a reason, because some things like diet and lifestyle favor the survival of one gender over another, or else it's just random BS based on mysticism and magic, and I've seen too much scientific evidence in favor of real-world explanation to ever believe in magical hooh-hah.

Now, if you are asking about moon phases in terms of "ions" which is a faux-scientific explanation that some sway sites delve into, ions for swaying make no sense whatsoever and I have a really long explanation of why they cannot possibly work in the ways that some people claim here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/63173-ion-insanity.html?highlight=ion+insanity

Finally, if you are referring to moon phase in terms of moonlight and when you ovulate, this is the most plausible (but still not particularly plausible) and I have an essay on that here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/63173-ion-insanity.html?highlight=ion+insanity

Since the topic is coming up again, just resharing my answer about lunar phases.

[atomic sagebrush]

If anything truly had a 98% success rate, the world would beat a path to her door. All she would need to do is prove it, and if it's so easy to do, she manage the feat so quite easily. She would be a multimillionaire if she could actually do that and it would put the pittance of money she earns from making astrology charts to shame. What's more, it would upend all medical science and what we think we know about biology and the workings of the world itself. So ask yourself, why would she not do this?? What possible motivation would a person have to sit on information that is so incredibly revolutionary that it would change the entire world, improving the lives of millions of women who are under great threat to their lives if they have the wrong gender baby, possibly even saving babies' lives in the process (since sadly, infanticide based on gender is still a thing)? There could be no possible motivation for keeping such a miracle secret other than that she really does not have 98% success rates.

Yes, the woman who handles the activation of accounts has had an ongoing medical situation with her family and is not as present as we would like right now. People's accounts are not getting activated in a timely manner and they can't buy plans.
Have your friend email me at atomicsagebrush@gmail.com and I'll help her however I can via email instead.

More debunking of lunar stuff.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi atomic!
I’m back, sadly. So I had a chemical pregnancy the first time after swaying. Got back into the swaying train and just had another loss. Missed miscarriage at 9 weeks baby stopped growing at 7.
I just read your swaying and miscarriages article and it makes me want to take a different approach to things. I know we will never know what caused the two consecutive losses but at this point I’m not willing to take a huge risk. I don’t need my baby girl that desperately, I would just like to have any healthy baby at this point.

I tried the diet and I tracked most days to stay in the guildelines, but I feel I was not 100% faithful to it and that may have been more detrimental to me in the fact that I was not getting enough calories. Also I was breastfeeding through part of it then I stopped after the chemical and I probably ate the same through it all.

I also took 1 1000 mcg folic acid a day and then switched to prenatal after I got pregnant.

I also did the exercise 6 days a week for an hour. That mostly consisted of walking.

We did one attempt in the fertile window 4 days before ovulation.

Husband took OLE.

So now at this point, I was deeply saddened by the loss of another pregnancy, but what made it more sad was the fact that I’d have to do the diet all over again. So me and my husband discussed it and decided I won’t be doing that as part of my sway due to the history.

I will try not to snack all day but I will stick to my usual foods I eat and maybe just not eat as much meat. I used to eat a whole steak haha. I’ll cut back on things like that where I know it’s probably better for my Health anyway.

I will do the exercise once I feel up to it again and I’ll see if husband wants to do OLÉ again. And we will do the one attempt. Is there anything else I should be doing that won’t potentially lead to another miscarriage?


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Swaying pink with an adequate diet is NOT "a huge risk". It's totally fine if you're just over it all and are ready to move on, but I want you to do that understanding that the LE Diet as written is based on recommendations from the World Health Organization and reproductive endocrinologists as a normal food intake and healthy rate of weight loss for women of childbearing age who may conceive at any time. A LOT of people have been where you're at and then decided to give up swaying totally (or even basically sway blue, thinking it would prevent another loss) and had some regrets over it, so I just want to be sure you know the origins of the diet. If I had a time machine I'd go back in time and call it just about anything BUT "low everything" because people have misunderstood that it's only just the lower end of a normal and healthy diet, but by the time I realized people were interpreting the name in the wrong way it was too late for that.

I would NEVER ever ever advise anyone to do anything that could potentially lead to a miscarriage UNLESS it was the sort of thing where what people are doing on their own is WORSE (for example, substituting aspirin in for cranberry, for the people who just insist on taking cranberry - I'm not a fan of aspirin to be sure, but it's safer than cranberry, so for the handful of people who insist on taking something, I would have them use aspirin instead of cranberry even though I don't recommend it any more based on the newer research.) So I really have no answer for "anything you should be doing that won't lead to another miscarriage" because I would never tell you to do anything that COULD lead to one! As soon as I ever get any clue that anything we do could possibly cause any harm, I immediately change my advice on that basis.

If you weren't getting enough calories AND you were breastfeeding, it's no wonder you hated being on the diet. You should have been on higher cal intake, 1800-2000 cals a day, or even more than that while nursing. Again, it's fine to be over the diet and ready to move on from there, but I do have a lot of other options for a more relaxed approach to a sway diet if you'd like to talk about that. For starters I'd have you maybe go fully vegetarian instead as long as you don't have any PCO-tendencies. At the very least I strongly, strongly urge you to eat whole grains only, no white refined grains, and eat full fat dairy only, no skim or part skim dairy if possible.

Did you drop the folic acid and move straight to a prenatal without weaning?? Did the prenatal have lower amounts of folic acid in it than what you were taking?? In the future please stay on the higher amount of folic acid all thru the entire first trimester and then gradually wean off to the amount in the prenatal. This should take you about three weeks. Never ever drop from a higher level of folic acid to a lower one suddenly.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi! I'm new here and I just have to say I'm very confused. I bought the Babydust book months ago, read it, believed it, and then saw a bunch of fails on the facebook group (although with 40k+ members I guess that makes sense). Then I became obsessive about the lunar method. I looked up so many due dates that I knew (including my son's) and they were all conceived in the right phases if you backtrack. Granted, I do not know when everyone ovulated exactly but I know when I did in 2019 to conceive my son. Anyway, there has to be SOME truth to it, right? I don't even know what to believe! And here I am, trying to sway girl with a 3 day cutoff the other day (I think). I'm not sure if I ovulated on Monday or Tuesday but I peaked early Monday morning at like 7:30. So looking at the lunar method, I could have ovulated Monday night in girl phase or Tuesday in boy phase. Does this even make sense? Like you say, if it was so successful, why is it a big secret?

So now I am freaking out that I did it all wrong. I also peaked on my lunar fertile day, which I'm not sure is good or bad. All I've wanted for SO long is a daughter so I can share the same relationship I share with my own mother. I've prayed for her and have researched this for months, but felt I completely screwed up this weekend when I just decided to go for it.

The 98% success rate is also based on a very small sample size, so I would take that with a grain of salt, but I have to say I'm really just not even sure what to do! Help! LOL. Why is this so difficult?!

Why does there have to be some truth to it? Can you explain why it is that this method makes sense to you? I would better be able to address your concerns if I understood what it is about the lunar method that seems convincing to you. It makes no sense to me so it is hard for me to explain why it isn't true without knowing more about your thought process.

As for Babydust, beyond the fails which of course are heartbreaking and devastating, the bigger issue is that people are going many months, even YEARS not conceiving. So not only does it not work, it's actually preventing people from conceiving, causing them to waste years of their limited fertile window chasing a method that is as debunked as it's possible for something in science to BE debunked (timing intercourse for gender). We know timing doesn't work, we know that it is all based on one man's mistake, and you can read all the reasons why here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

Did you use any other swaying tactics at all?? I hope you had just one attempt!

[Dreamingofpink01]

Thank you for your in depth reply.

I Never felt hungry at all doing the diet while breastfeeding and I did do the 1800 calories but then switched to the lower amount when I was done. It was just very difficult for me to keep track of all the macros. Or do try and think of what to eat if I was lacking in fats or proteins.

I trust that you wouldn’t be doing this if you knew something caused miscarriage. After I read the article you posted about all that it just seemed to click to me that I should just stop with the diet as it makes the whole process not fun for me because I hate tracking. And maybe that’s where I went wrong. I didn’t track close enough so it was causing some issues because I had a pretty low bmi.
At this point now I have gained 9 lbs so I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt to go back on the diet but I don’t want to take any chances plus I just don’t want the added stress of it all. And like you said it’s not impossible to get a girl still and not do the diet. Now that I know all the diet criteria I’m sure I will have it in the back of my mind and try not to eat as much meat and no snacking like I normally would. I’ll add in the decaf coffee everyday just for kicks too. My husband was so sick of eating chicken all the time haha. At this point I feel like if I were to do diet and have another loss I would regret that more than if I just didn’t do it at all because I just want a healthy baby at this point.

I also noticed as soon as I started the diet and exercise I was starting to spot for like 3-5 days after my period would end so to me that was also a red flag. We conceived both times I had the spotting but both ended in losses. I’m not blaming you at all, you’ve been very precise in your diet requirements. If anything it was my fault for not following them so precisely especially when i had the low bmi which you warned me about. I’m just seeing if there’s anything you could recommend without having to do any sort of diet that is still going to be a big sway factor.

As for the folic acid. I went from 1000mcg to 800mcg in my prenatal… is that a big no no?

The cardio should be a good thing for me to keep up with too right?


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[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: awesome, absolutely, as long as you are good with that decision I'm here cheering you on! Yep, absolutely continue with exercise, even more important when not doing diet.

Going from 1000 to 800 is not as big a deal as I feared (I was worried you'd gone from 1000 to 400, which many prenatals have) but in future pregnancies I would continue the higher amount all thru the entire first trimester and then gradually wean off by spacing the doses out instead of just dropping it.

[girlygirl76]

Why does there have to be some truth to it? Can you explain why it is that this method makes sense to you? I would better be able to address your concerns if I understood what it is about the lunar method that seems convincing to you. It makes no sense to me so it is hard for me to explain why it isn't true without knowing more about your thought process.

As for Babydust, beyond the fails which of course are heartbreaking and devastating, the bigger issue is that people are going many months, even YEARS not conceiving. So not only does it not work, it's actually preventing people from conceiving, causing them to waste years of their limited fertile window chasing a method that is as debunked as it's possible for something in science to BE debunked (timing intercourse for gender). We know timing doesn't work, we know that it is all based on one man's mistake, and you can read all the reasons why here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

Did you use any other swaying tactics at all?? I hope you had just one attempt!

I guess there has to be some truth to it because it seems like it works. The 98% success rate is based on a VERY small sample size, I know, but I just feel like it's such a new concept to many people (even though it's not new). Why do people find success with it? Maybe it's because they don't really know when they ovulate. I have to remind myself that this group only has two thousand people in it and so many others have more...and there is no such thing as a 98% success rate (since it's based off of so few people right now).

I did only have one attempt this cycle! Loose diet (I'm underweight and have a low BMI, history of irregular periods so can't really restrict too much), either 2 or 3 day cutoff just because that's how it worked out and I ovulated late, hot shower before BD, shallow release. I feel like I did it all wrong but at a certain point I don't know what to believe!

[atomic sagebrush]

Can you link me to the page where they're reporting 98% success rate? I'd like to see this small sample size myself. Sometimes I can catch issues that you may not be aware of (such as, if this is a Facebook group, there is a setting on Facebook that allows the page owner to not allow certain posts - aka anyone who has had an opposite) that skew the results.

Don't worry, I'm not looking to stir up drama, I'd just like to see how this is being reported so I can better help you move past this. Because, again, if someone was sitting on 98% success rate, they'd be able to not only make billions of dollars, but revolutionize everything we know about the science of conception, helping millions of people in the process. It would be a biological discovery on par with the discovery of germs - even beyond that, since it's basically proving magic is real. NO ONE in their right mind would keep this information private if they had it. That someone has such information and is using it to make a couple bucks on the Internet makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Unless a person had an ultrasound they DO NOT KNOW when they ovulated. No method of pinpointing ovulation, even to the day, let alone to the hour, works. Even things like ovulation pains have been repeatedly shown to be unpredictable, with people having O pains before, during, and after ovulation. OPK are also very unpredictable. In reputable studies, even highly trained experts in natural family planning methods using modern knowhow and technology could not pinpoint the day of their ovulation any better than one out of three times. So all these people who are saying they had success with this method you have no way to know if what they're saying is true. You don't know when they ovulated. You don't know the gender of their baby - we have seen people who will go around posting the outcome of their baby's gender based on their baby's heart rate or something their acupuncturist told them, that is later proven to be untrue. You don't even have a way to know if the people in that group are real people!!! For all we know at least some of them are sock puppet accounts - this happens, even in much more "official" arenas like IVF clinics.

You had a good sway. I would just count on the stuff you did to carry the day and if it didn't work out with the astrology, so be it. And anyway, since you really can't know when you truly ovulated, for all you know it DID work out with the astrology anyway.

But if for some reason things don't work out - a loss, or an opposite - I'm here to help you and there are MANY ways we have to do LE Diet without being too restrictive. No one should skip LE Diet out of a misperception that they have to be super restrictive. I have plenty of tricks up my sleeve. ;)

[girlygirl76]

Can you link me to the page where they're reporting 98% success rate? I'd like to see this small sample size myself. Sometimes I can catch issues that you may not be aware of (such as, if this is a Facebook group, there is a setting on Facebook that allows the page owner to not allow certain posts - aka anyone who has had an opposite) that skew the results.

Don't worry, I'm not looking to stir up drama, I'd just like to see how this is being reported so I can better help you move past this. Because, again, if someone was sitting on 98% success rate, they'd be able to not only make billions of dollars, but revolutionize everything we know about the science of conception, helping millions of people in the process. It would be a biological discovery on par with the discovery of germs - even beyond that, since it's basically proving magic is real. NO ONE in their right mind would keep this information private if they had it. That someone has such information and is using it to make a couple bucks on the Internet makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Unless a person had an ultrasound they DO NOT KNOW when they ovulated. No method of pinpointing ovulation, even to the day, let alone to the hour, works. Even things like ovulation pains have been repeatedly shown to be unpredictable, with people having O pains before, during, and after ovulation. OPK are also very unpredictable. In reputable studies, even highly trained experts in natural family planning methods using modern knowhow and technology could not pinpoint the day of their ovulation any better than one out of three times. So all these people who are saying they had success with this method you have no way to know if what they're saying is true. You don't know when they ovulated. You don't know the gender of their baby - we have seen people who will go around posting the outcome of their baby's gender based on their baby's heart rate or something their acupuncturist told them, that is later proven to be untrue. You don't even have a way to know if the people in that group are real people!!! For all we know at least some of them are sock puppet accounts - this happens, even in much more "official" arenas like IVF clinics.

You had a good sway. I would just count on the stuff you did to carry the day and if it didn't work out with the astrology, so be it. And anyway, since you really can't know when you truly ovulated, for all you know it DID work out with the astrology anyway.

But if for some reason things don't work out - a loss, or an opposite - I'm here to help you and there are MANY ways we have to do LE Diet without being too restrictive. No one should skip LE Diet out of a misperception that they have to be super restrictive. I have plenty of tricks up my sleeve. ;)

So yes it's a facebook group! It's called Lunar Method: Fertility & Gender sway/selection info & consult. There is a roster on a spreadsheet so I'm not sure if/how that is manipulated. For some reason I don't believe it is manipulated but maybe that's because I am just down on myself for "screwing it up" or something. There is lots of chatter about a 98% success rate but I'm not sure it's stated anywhere. That might be more of a Dr. Jonas thing, the founder of this method (and then the woman who owns the page took it to the next level and sort of created her own sway technique).

Thank you for telling me I had a good sway. Even if I didn't, it certainly made me feel better. I actually have had 3 high/peak periods throughout this cycle so who knows what is going on, but I'm just assuming I'm pregnant because I'm 6 or 7 DPO and got a peak OPK today, so I'll probably take a pregnancy test if I do miss my period in a few days. I don't even know if the correlation between a peak OPK and pregnancy is a real thing either; I have NO idea what to believe online anymore!!! Also sock puppet accounts are a great point. here's to hoping the near-perfect success rate is thanks to them and nothing that is actually proven to be true. I just don't understand how at 9:30am I have such a great chance of having a boy and then an hour later it changes. It doesn't make sense and I've clearly been sucked down a hole of believing some of this stuff!!! I'm just hoping whatever I did worked. Thank you!

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. It sounds like you're mostly over this but just for anyone else who is interested:

I read the group rules and every confirmed gender result has to be approved NOT by the admins, but by Carmen herself, before being posted, including babies that have already been born. So she can a) handpick sways that worked to share with the group and b) tailor her "predictions" after the fact with babies that have already been born, and not even her admins can "keep her honest". Messaging other members is forbidden, meaning you cannot check with anyone who has supposedly had a success to see if they are even a real person and she also reserves the right to blame anyone who did not pay for a sway from her personally for their own failure. She states repeatedly that people who simply use the method on their own volition or with help from other members "have made mistakes in the past" which seems to me to be a handy way to blame anyone whose sways don't work on their mistakes.

The 98% quoted is NOT her results, but from the Jonas Method, in an alleged "study" that came out in 1970. There are several webpages with people quoting this number, making it sound like it is their results rather than a "study" done decades ago which was never published. When scientists did look into it, they disproved the theory (there are links to some of these studies here: Dr. Eugen Jonas - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com (http://skepdic.com/jonas.html)) He also claimed that birth defects were caused by the moon, and since we now know of many reasons why birth defects occur, this is obviously nonsense.

He based this method on first, a vision from the Virgin Mary, and then an "ancient Babylonian text" that read "women are fertile with the phases of the moon" - which is actually somewhat true, as women are more fertile during the full moon than during the new moon, but that doesn't mean that astrology is therefore true!! But then he went and made up all this complicated math regarding the angle of the sun and moon when the woman was born. Now WHY would this be true? Why would the gender of your baby matter at ALL on the positions of the moon and the sun in the sky when you were born? Something as important as gender ratio of offspring to be determined by something so utterly arbitrary? What you say makes perfect sense - why would you be 98% likely to have a boy at 9:30 and by 10:30 you'll have a girl??? Why would that be true? How could such a thing have evolved? Why would God be so capricious to do that (let alone the birth defect thing!) It makes NO SENSE.

Additionally, we have gobs of studies in humans and animals that show things like diet, exercise, even weird unexpected things like whether or not your husband is a deep sea diver and if you yourself have a master's degree, that seem to alter the gender ratio outright or be associated with more girls or boys conceived. Could all those people just magically have managed to have sex in the right moon phase? Additionally, we have IVF clinics getting both boys and girls from one woman's eggs they fertilize all at once. And pH, the thing that Jonas has claimed is the reason why this method allegedly works, has been debunked and you can read about that here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/11684-ph-pickle.html

And most important, you will note the study Jonas claims to have done was over 50 years ago, which is plenty of time for his method, if it truly worked with 98% effectiveness, to be proven by scientists and used by people all around the world. Gender balancing is a HUGE deal for so many of us, someone would be capitalizing on this hugely. So again, it's not only this one woman who could have been making huge bank and gotten their name in every history book based on this info if it worked, who we can write off, it's several people who have peddled this stuff along the way. Why would SOMEone, over the course of 50 years, have not gone public with it? It just doesn't add up.

Another thing that occurs to me is that why would she NEED to improve on a method with 98% success rates? If the study she's quoting is proving such a fantastic, amazing rate of success, what precisely about it would she even need to fix by her "insights?"

And finally, I also need to point out that the people who claim that this method was "nominated for a Nobel prize" are also lying. Dr. Jonas was nominated for a Nobel prize but MANY people are nominated for a Nobel Prize, including Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Fidel Castro, and Hugo Chavez.

At some point, the burden of proof is simply not met at all.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh gosh, I got so carried away with the lunar stuff, just caught that you're basing this on an assumption because you had a peak OPK 7 DPO. While you can absolutely be pregnant, MANY people get a peak OPK that day because of the secondary estrogen surge. That's a surge of estrogen your body releases at that point to sustain the lining long enough for a potential pregnancy to implant. (if you are temping, this coincides with a temp dip that SOME people inaccurately call "implantation dip". But it can happen even when not pregnant).

In one study, they found that people with a very noticeable secondary estrogen surge were somewhat more likely to conceive than people who did not have one at all, but it's likely that is simply that pregnancy is more likely to be successfully achieved when you are more "hormone-y" and NOT that the temp dip/positive OPK is indicating a pregnancy occurred. There are WAYYYY too many people who have that in cycles they are not pregnant and indeed, haven't even had sex, for that to be the case. :) Hope this helps.

[girlygirl76]

Ahhh. Yeah the "hormone-y" type peak OPK was definitely last week about 2-3 days after we BD. This one is totally weird and today it is low again. I know some people surge before their period, and I should get mine Friday or Saturday. Thank you for your knowledge!!!


Oh gosh, I got so carried away with the lunar stuff, just caught that you're basing this on an assumption because you had a peak OPK 7 DPO. While you can absolutely be pregnant, MANY people get a peak OPK that day because of the secondary estrogen surge. That's a surge of estrogen your body releases at that point to sustain the lining long enough for a potential pregnancy to implant. (if you are temping, this coincides with a temp dip that SOME people inaccurately call "implantation dip". But it can happen even when not pregnant).

In one study, they found that people with a very noticeable secondary estrogen surge were somewhat more likely to conceive than people who did not have one at all, but it's likely that is simply that pregnancy is more likely to be successfully achieved when you are more "hormone-y" and NOT that the temp dip/positive OPK is indicating a pregnancy occurred. There are WAYYYY too many people who have that in cycles they are not pregnant and indeed, haven't even had sex, for that to be the case. :) Hope this helps.

[Dreamingofpink01]

:agree: awesome, absolutely, as long as you are good with that decision I'm here cheering you on! Yep, absolutely continue with exercise, even more important when not doing diet.

Going from 1000 to 800 is not as big a deal as I feared (I was worried you'd gone from 1000 to 400, which many prenatals have) but in future pregnancies I would continue the higher amount all thru the entire first trimester and then gradually wean off by spacing the doses out instead of just dropping it.

So I’ve been thinking about the diet and you have a point that maybe I would regret not doing it. Although here is my dilemma… I am 2lbs away from being considered underweight. I was definitely underweight when I started ttc the last two times I got pregnant and ended in losses. I have now gained 4lbs since I got pregnant and now am waiting for my miscarriage to clear and to get my period back to try again. I was this exact weight when I conceived my sons. So is there a way to do the diet without losing weight and just to maintain it? My plan was just to avoid snacking and keep eating the same food I used to eat before. We also eat red meat 2-3 times a week and I feel that after this miscarriage bleeding I should probably be eating the red meat to bring back up my iron levels. What is your take on all of this?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Ahhh. Yeah the "hormone-y" type peak OPK was definitely last week about 2-3 days after we BD. This one is totally weird and today it is low again. I know some people surge before their period, and I should get mine Friday or Saturday. Thank you for your knowledge!!!

just to clarify, it wouldn't be 2-3 days after if it was from the secondary estrogen surge. It would be about a week after ovulation, a week before you expect your period, with a day or two leeway particularly on the "week before you expect period." What you're describing does sound an awful lot like that. So the "good" news is it doesn't signify pregnancy and you may end up getting to have another chance at it next month. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

So I’ve been thinking about the diet and you have a point that maybe I would regret not doing it. Although here is my dilemma… I am 2lbs away from being considered underweight. I was definitely underweight when I started ttc the last two times I got pregnant and ended in losses. I have now gained 4lbs since I got pregnant and now am waiting for my miscarriage to clear and to get my period back to try again. I was this exact weight when I conceived my sons. So is there a way to do the diet without losing weight and just to maintain it? My plan was just to avoid snacking and keep eating the same food I used to eat before. We also eat red meat 2-3 times a week and I feel that after this miscarriage bleeding I should probably be eating the red meat to bring back up my iron levels. What is your take on all of this?


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Yes, ABSOLUTELY you can do diet and not lose any weight at all. In fact, we've not seen that weight loss has been very predictive of whose sways work and whose don't. It seems to be the diet itself that sways and not weight loss - and additionally, if you're already at a lower weight, that still sways pink even if you got boys at that weight before. Things can sway and just are not a guarantee...meaning that you can do something that sways pink and still have a boy, because NO sway tactic is a magic bullet that works every time, and because you're doing lots of other things that may sway blue at the same time. So don't overthink that you are at the same weight you got your boys - that's really ok.

I have mentioned "be at a lower weight than when you got boys" simply because people needed a goal to aim at, otherwise they kept losing more and more weight. I came up with that number just to prevent people from continuing to lose weight over my objections, because that's what people used to do before I came up with that. You do not need to actually do that if you are already very thin. Just stay at the same weight.

I want you to start off eating more than you think you need - 1800-2000 cals or even more. Eat 50-60 g protein and fat, not counting protein and fat in fruit and vegetables. Low carb vegetables (the ones that don't taste sweet or salty) are free and unlimited, you don't even count calories in them. High carb veg and fruit, you count only calories.

This seems like a lot of counting but you only need to do it a couple days, a week at most, then you'll get the hang of it and be able to guesstimate how much you've eaten.

Red meat is ok within the limits (in fact I have some people eat it once a week for a variety of reasons) but it's really unreliable when it comes to raising iron. I would advise a 30-60 mg iron pill daily for the next six weeks (if possible, have it with something containing Vitamin C, and NOT tea or coffee) then 3x a week as a maintenance dose. I use this regularly with my pink swayers who need it and we do not believe this to sway strongly blue.

[Dreamingofpink01]

Yes, ABSOLUTELY you can do diet and not lose any weight at all. In fact, we've not seen that weight loss has been very predictive of whose sways work and whose don't. It seems to be the diet itself that sways and not weight loss - and additionally, if you're already at a lower weight, that still sways pink even if you got boys at that weight before. Things can sway and just are not a guarantee...meaning that you can do something that sways pink and still have a boy, because NO sway tactic is a magic bullet that works every time, and because you're doing lots of other things that may sway blue at the same time. So don't overthink that you are at the same weight you got your boys - that's really ok.

I have mentioned "be at a lower weight than when you got boys" simply because people needed a goal to aim at, otherwise they kept losing more and more weight. I came up with that number just to prevent people from continuing to lose weight over my objections, because that's what people used to do before I came up with that. You do not need to actually do that if you are already very thin. Just stay at the same weight.

I want you to start off eating more than you think you need - 1800-2000 cals or even more. Eat 50-60 g protein and fat, not counting protein and fat in fruit and vegetables. Low carb vegetables (the ones that don't taste sweet or salty) are free and unlimited, you don't even count calories in them. High carb veg and fruit, you count only calories.

This seems like a lot of counting but you only need to do it a couple days, a week at most, then you'll get the hang of it and be able to guesstimate how much you've eaten.

Red meat is ok within the limits (in fact I have some people eat it once a week for a variety of reasons) but it's really unreliable when it comes to raising iron. I would advise a 30-60 mg iron pill daily for the next six weeks (if possible, have it with something containing Vitamin C, and NOT tea or coffee) then 3x a week as a maintenance dose. I use this regularly with my pink swayers who need it and we do not believe this to sway strongly blue.

Wonderful! This all seems very doable because I feel it’s not much change in how I’ve been eating anyway.

As for the red meat.. should I restrict it to only 1x per week?

Thank you so much for all your help. You’re the best!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Wonderful! This all seems very doable because I feel it’s not much change in how I’ve been eating anyway.

As for the red meat.. should I restrict it to only 1x per week?

Thank you so much for all your help. You’re the best!


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As long as you're in the limits, you don't have to limit red meat. You can, and many people do want to, but truly, it's the limits that matter and not the foods themselves. I do keep it in the mix for those who wish to limit it (as I did any of the "old school" suggestions that were not actively harmful to people) but I personally do not think it's necessary to cut it out totally (and I honestly didn't! I had a hamburger here and there, and often had to eat some when we were visiting my inlaws and stuff like that.)

The downside of meat, though is this (and this is particularly important for you since you are low in weight) - because meat is low in calories and high in protein, it's easy to go over on protein while still have only eaten a few hundred calories. People who rely TOO much on meat often end up on a terrible starvation diet where they're eating chicken breasts, cucumbers, and gummy worms, and then only like 1000 calories a day. It's very limited and unhealthy. So you may find over time that it's best to still include vegetarian protein sources, which are often higher cals per gram of protein you eat, to avoid falling into that pattern where you just can't make it work on protein without being overly restrictive everywhere else.

[Dreamingofpink01]

As long as you're in the limits, you don't have to limit red meat. You can, and many people do want to, but truly, it's the limits that matter and not the foods themselves. I do keep it in the mix for those who wish to limit it (as I did any of the "old school" suggestions that were not actively harmful to people) but I personally do not think it's necessary to cut it out totally (and I honestly didn't! I had a hamburger here and there, and often had to eat some when we were visiting my inlaws and stuff like that.)

The downside of meat, though is this (and this is particularly important for you since you are low in weight) - because meat is low in calories and high in protein, it's easy to go over on protein while still have only eaten a few hundred calories. People who rely TOO much on meat often end up on a terrible starvation diet where they're eating chicken breasts, cucumbers, and gummy worms, and then only like 1000 calories a day. It's very limited and unhealthy. So you may find over time that it's best to still include vegetarian protein sources, which are often higher cals per gram of protein you eat, to avoid falling into that pattern where you just can't make it work on protein without being overly restrictive everywhere else.

Wow good to know! Makes this diet definitely seem more doable. I pretty much was eating like this before but maybe too much meat at times and too many snacks. So if I cut the snacks and cut back on meat I should be in the guidelines. Thanks so much!!


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[atomic sagebrush]

It's a lot easier than people think! Good luck and let me know how I can help.

[Dreamingofpink01]

It's a lot easier than people think! Good luck and let me know how I can help.

Hi again, I was researching ways to naturally increase progesterone so I don’t go on to have another miscarriage and one of the things that came up was to avoid over exercising. Do you think there would be a correlation between the hour exercise 6 days a week and possible progesterone issues?
I had spotting for like 3-4 days after my period both times i conceived my losses so I’m just trying to do everything in my power to not let it happen again. Even though my doctor told me it wasn’t anything I did.


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[atomic sagebrush]

People do not have miscarriages from "low progesterone" as long as your LP is longer than 7 days (and a shorter LP than that, without breastfeeding, is VERRY unlikely as long as you're not an anorexic.) This is an old, debunked misunderstanding about how losses happen. What really happens is that your body detects something about the developing pregnancy that isn't right, and it gradually lowers progesterone to end the pregnancy. But the low progesterone is the result of the pregnancy not being right, not the cause of it.

Spotting at the end of the cycle is a) extremely normal and something many people experience just as a matter of course b) still would give you plenty of time to conceive with and c) is likely not caused by progesterone and instead, estrogen anyway. This is because seven days after ovulation has happened, the corpus luteum (the temporary organ your body grows to make progesterone if you are pregnant) starts to break down. This happens in every cycle, whether or not you're pregnant. Your body releases a burst of estrogen that maintains the lining for another week, to give your body time to receive a signal to start making more progesterone and so by the time you get a BFP you will be making plenty of both estrogen and progesterone.

To sum up, when you have spotting before your period arrives, that does not mean you cannot get successfully pregnant, and it also probably means you need more ESTROGEN. The good news is that since estrogen and progesterone are made from the same stuff, by eating enough fat you will ensure your body has enough raw materials to make them both with. So please add in the serving of full fat dairy every day, 4-6 eggs a week, and a serving of salmon if you like it, red meat if you don't, to ensure you are getting those raw materials.

So, to answer your question, yes, one of the side effects of exercising too much can be wonky cycles and lower estrogen. But the thing is, that's also the type of hormonal changes that are likely swaying. The key is this - you need to EAT ENOUGH - particularly enough fat and calories, and not lose weight below the cutoff for the LE Diet. BMI 21 is where you should stop losing weight, and do not go below the BMI of 18.5 under any circumstances. Weight loss, diet, and exercise work in tandem, one of them alone does not cause a cycle disruption for 99.9% of people (and when it does, it's nearly always too much weight loss).

If need be, to prevent weight loss, you can cut back exercise by a day or even two days a week (tho I think 6-7 days is best for your sway) But if you're straight up thinking that exercise caused your miscarriage (which I completely understand that it's hard not to go over everything looking for causes) it did not. "Low progesterone" was not what caused your spotting or your miscarriage. Hope this helps!

[Dreamingofpink01]

Thank you that is helpful.
I think that’s where I think that by eating so much food I’m going to start swaying boy. I’ve cut out snacking which has cut out lots of my calories so trying to make up for those calories during meals seems unnatural. And that’s where it all gets touchy because my bmi is 18.5 so I don’t have a lot of play with my diet and exercise.
My spotting was happening after my period so instead of my normal 7 day period I’d have it for like 11 days where it was just light spotting at the end. Not sure if that makes a difference.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Try to think of swaying not as a light switch (where you go from being girl friendly to boy friendly all of a sudden at once, like flipping a switch) and more of a radio dial, where you have to turn the dial a long way to get from "pink zone" to "blue zone". If you need to, add in a 4th or even 5th meal to get more cals in. That will still be a very different eating pattern than the all-day munching most of us boy moms do.

Oh gosh so sorry I misread that because I was thinking of things in terms of low progesterone (which only happens in the second half o the cycle, before the period comes)! Spotting after your period can be normal (even more normal than spotting before is) but 11 days of bleeding is something no one wants. Let's have you add in 30-60 mg iron daily for 6 weeks daily and then go to 3x a week maintenance dose. And also up the fat intake as well by adding the dairy, eggs, meat like i mentioned. Rest assured, spotting AFTER a period has absolutely nothing to do with progesterone as your progesterone is extremely low at that point.

Also, we do still see good results with even 4 days of exercise, so if you'd like to cut back on that a month or two feel free. But I would try to make small changes over time, so instead of say, upping cals, adding meals, and cutting back exercise all at once, try one or two of them, then if the problem continues, another one or two adjustments, that kind of thing. (but no matter what add that iron in)

[Dreamingofpink01]

Try to think of swaying not as a light switch (where you go from being girl friendly to boy friendly all of a sudden at once, like flipping a switch) and more of a radio dial, where you have to turn the dial a long way to get from "pink zone" to "blue zone". If you need to, add in a 4th or even 5th meal to get more cals in. That will still be a very different eating pattern than the all-day munching most of us boy moms do.

Oh gosh so sorry I misread that because I was thinking of things in terms of low progesterone (which only happens in the second half o the cycle, before the period comes)! Spotting after your period can be normal (even more normal than spotting before is) but 11 days of bleeding is something no one wants. Let's have you add in 30-60 mg iron daily for 6 weeks daily and then go to 3x a week maintenance dose. And also up the fat intake as well by adding the dairy, eggs, meat like i mentioned. Rest assured, spotting AFTER a period has absolutely nothing to do with progesterone as your progesterone is extremely low at that point.

Also, we do still see good results with even 4 days of exercise, so if you'd like to cut back on that a month or two feel free. But I would try to make small changes over time, so instead of say, upping cals, adding meals, and cutting back exercise all at once, try one or two of them, then if the problem continues, another one or two adjustments, that kind of thing. (but no matter what add that iron in)

Okay yes this all makes sense. Thank you so much for your guidance and expertise.

It makes sense that the spotting should have nothing to do with carrying out a pregnancy because I remember having it before I conceived my second son. Thank you for the reassurance.


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Here I am back again, finally ovulating after miscarriage. We bd’d on Tuesday and I just got my peak today(Friday) my husband comes home tomorrow do you think I should be again tomorrow? One the one attempt be far enough apart to have a sway factor still?


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Okay so I jumped the gun and though I got my peak on Friday but actually got it today which is Saturday. So it was 4 days ago we bd’d. Is this okay that I didn’t do the one attempt or am I swaying boy this time?


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Here I am back again, finally ovulating after miscarriage. We bd’d on Tuesday and I just got my peak today(Friday) my husband comes home tomorrow do you think I should be again tomorrow? One the one attempt be far enough apart to have a sway factor still?


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You absolutely needed to have sex, I'm sorry I did not see this in time. GO GO GO!

[atomic sagebrush]

Okay so I jumped the gun and though I got my peak on Friday but actually got it today which is Saturday. So it was 4 days ago we bd’d. Is this okay that I didn’t do the one attempt or am I swaying boy this time?


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Have an attempt immediately! I so hope you guys went for it!

Ladies, when in doubt, if you don't hear back from me, have the attempt. I can't be on here 24-7 and the last few days was super busy so I didn't get thru all the questions. Anything past 2-3 days you guys should have the attempt because sperm does not live anywhere near as long as some people claim.

[Dreamingofpink01]

Have an attempt immediately! I so hope you guys went for it!

Ladies, when in doubt, if you don't hear back from me, have the attempt. I can't be on here 24-7 and the last few days was super busy so I didn't get thru all the questions. Anything past 2-3 days you guys should have the attempt because sperm does not live anywhere near as long as some people claim.

Hahah! We went for it! I’m glad you said go for it because we did right at my peak opk. I got pregnant my last two miscarriages with a 3 and 4 day cut off on the first tries so I had a hard time trying to decide if we should or not because I have “only one attempt for girl” in the back of my head all the time. Here’s hoping for a healthy sticky baby girl! Thank you so
Much for your time and guidance.


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