Atomic please help with new girl sway after 2nd trimester loss of another baby girl

[jenn1112]

Hi atomic, I recently had to have a D&E, our #5 baby girls heart stopped at 13w4d for no know reason (NIPT and ultrasounds were perfect). Not sure if you remember me, so I’ll fill you in a little—This is the 2nd baby girl lost in the 2nd trimester, after a good genetic test. We have a healthy 2 year old daughter conceived 6 weeks after IVF egg retrieval (the only thing I did different with her was stay on levothyroxine before and through pregnancy and stopped after giving birth)
my TSH is currently 4.15 an my OB felt that was fine to not have to take it again as I only took it because of IVF but stayed on through my only living daughters pregnancy).

My question is, I’d like to try again for another girl but am obviously so scared of another late loss [emoji22] I had the D&E Tuesday so am still bleeding and wonder when you’d suggest trying? Waiting months to add in LE or only doing the LE for 6 weeks or so + femara ?
I have Femara that I never took, I also wanted to take Ubiquinol coq10 (how much do you recommend?) and folate for egg quality, and walking 1 hr once I start to feel better. Should I wait longer on diet or try after a cycle or 2 after D&E. I read late loss sways or is it better to wait for better chances of a girl. I’m going to go ahead and get at least 1 Covid vaccine in a few days when I feel better so not sure if that sways either but I don’t want the stress dealing with Covid unvaccinated if I conceive again.
I’m 39, 5’3 almost 5’4, 120 lbs now (but 112 before Pregnancy), have 3 boys and 1 girl but have had 3 second trimester losses and 2 chemical pregnancies before getting pregnant this most recent time.
I got pregnant with my living daughter after 3 losses so I praying 4th times a charm this time too after 3 losses [emoji1317]
I don’t mind buying another plan if you need me to go fully help me. Thank you so much 🤍


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[atomic sagebrush]

I am SO terribly sorry to hear this. I think they need to consider being more proactive regarding the thyroid stuff in future because thyroid issues (even when the levels are pretty close to normal) have been one of our main causes of later losses like you're describing.

Because we don't want to just assume that was the cause, though, I do want you to let me know about anything you were doing, taking, etc, even things that seem totally benign that you thought were ok. What type of prenatal were you taking? Fish oil, baby aspirin, that sort of thing?? Even things like herb tea? And have you been tested for clotting disorders and irregularities with your uterus?

I think you should go ahead and try after 6 weeks if you have your doc's ok and the Femara will only help. I don't think you should wait the full 12 weeks on diet. by that point you will be so far past the loss that it won't help you.

200 mg coq10 is fine but I suspect this is not an egg quality issue. My gut is the thyroid situation and I urge you to go looking for a doc who will take that possibility seriously if your present doc won't treat you.

I do always appreciate purchases as it lets me continue doing this as my job instead of having to work outside the home. I help everyone for free but purchases do help me to do that.

[jenn1112]

I am SO terribly sorry to hear this. I think they need to consider being more proactive regarding the thyroid stuff in future because thyroid issues (even when the levels are pretty close to normal) have been one of our main causes of later losses like you're describing.

Because we don't want to just assume that was the cause, though, I do want you to let me know about anything you were doing, taking, etc, even things that seem totally benign that you thought were ok. What type of prenatal were you taking? Fish oil, baby aspirin, that sort of thing?? Even things like herb tea? And have you been tested for clotting disorders and irregularities with your uterus?

I think you should go ahead and try after 6 weeks if you have your doc's ok and the Femara will only help. I don't think you should wait the full 12 weeks on diet. by that point you will be so far past the loss that it won't help you.

200 mg coq10 is fine but I suspect this is not an egg quality issue. My gut is the thyroid situation and I urge you to go looking for a doc who will take that possibility seriously if your present doc won't treat you.

I do always appreciate purchases as it lets me continue doing this as my job instead of having to work outside the home. I help everyone for free but purchases do help me to do that.

Thank you, we are devastated for sure🤍 I was never on thyroid meds with the boys but the ivf Dr put me on them and then I stayed on them after the ivf and got pregnant naturally with our 2 year old daughter 6 weeks after ivf so I just stayed on them and got off after delivery. My OB said mine is within limits at 4.12 and my t3 is fine too she said? Fertility Drs like the tsh between .5 -2.5 though so I wonder if mine at 4.12 could have done something? I thought about getting on it just to make myself feel better. My OB dr will prescribe it if I want it. I was just wondering if it seats boy or girl? Should I get on levothyroxine after conceiving if it sways boy?

We got pregnant kinda by accident with our most recent daughter. It was either a pull our failure or sperm that lasted 5-6 days..ultrasound said the pullout day was the conceived day though.
I was kinda on an LEish, vegetarian diet then, skipping breakfast and trying to only eat 2x a day with bigger meals, drinking lots of coffee and taking metemucil fiber pills (5) with meals, magnesium oxide/citrate at night (500mg) (dr approved those magnesium pills for pregnancy too) could that have done something?

After I got pregnant I only took the prenatals the IVF dr prescribed, that I also took through my heathy 2 year old daughters pregnancy also (Theranatal complete), probiotics at night (Life 9 by young living, and garden of life once daily women’s probiotic), I also took 2 stool softeners ducosate sodium 100 mg. ( I have Ibs with constipation so those things help me go or I can’t when taking prenatals).
I also drank Ningxia red (Young living) and elderberry juice made by a local girl who sells homemade elderberry.
The dr didn’t know what caused this most recent loss, as I had a healthy daughter between my losses and 3 heathy boys. They did send my placenta off to pathology this time so it will test for infection or clotting but that’s it and it could take up to 6 weeks they said. I did drink a lot of coffee but my OB said that wouldn’t do it.

So you think I should try first cycle after this current bleed or wait 2? I got Covid in the hospital on Tuesday so I’ve been taking tons of vitamins and don’t want that to sway blue.
After I’m better I’ll start walking 1hr, should I do the fiber pills again? , take 200 mg coq10, will you resend le diet you’d like me on, and I’ll take the femara and let me know about the thyroid to take before conception or after


Thank you so much for helping me. I just bought a Gender dreaming plan!


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[atomic sagebrush]

I would get your thyroid in optimal levels before proceeding. One of the biggest subsets of late first trimester/early second tri losses has been in people who needed thyroid medication and they went on to have a healthy pregnancy once they were on it.

Many people develop thyroid issues as they age so just because you've had healthy pregnancies without it doesn't mean that you don't need it now.

It does not sway, we have both boys and girls conceived on it (and anyone saying it does sway is wrong, please do not listen to anyone saying that.) It also may help to prevent chemicals and very early losses as well.

It is very unlikely to get pregnant from 5-6 days before ovulation and much likelier that it was the pull out. We do have some pullout oopsies even tho pull out is actually a fairly reliable birth control method.

That is far too high a dose of magnesium. I would not take any more than 250 or possibly even 200 max. Doctors are really lackadaisical about approving supplements and if they haven't seen something specifically proving a supplement actively causes harm they're just like "whatever". But that is much much more than I would ever recommend for anyone.

Those prenatals are also less than ideal. They have massive doses of several nutrients in them, plus more magnesium on top of what you were already taking. I do not ever recommend more than 100% of the recommended value of anything (except folic acid or folate, and Vitamin D) and you were taking into the thousands of percentages of some of those things. I can't say if those had a negative effect on anyone's pregnancy, and obviously some people do take them just fine, but I don't recommend them. and that much B6 will delay or even stop ovulation so I would not take them when trying to conceive that's for sure.

I would not have anything like elderberry juice more than 2x a week (and I mean like an 8-12 ounce serving.) Elderberry has many chemical effects (it affects the ability of your blood to clot, your blood sugar levels, and revs the immune system, which is not something you want when pregnant necessarily) and if you were drinking it in large amounts could have been potentially detrimental.

I agree coffee is really not the issue some would make it out to be and is not a big deal. I and everyone I know IRL drank scads of coffee with our pregnancies and did not have any issues. Fine to cut back though if you have concerns.

I would go ahead and try when you're ready as long as you've had one bleed to make sure anything left over has come out.

Thank YOU!! I will get to work on your adjusted plan ASAP!

[jenn1112]

I would get your thyroid in optimal levels before proceeding. One of the biggest subsets of late first trimester/early second tri losses has been in people who needed thyroid medication and they went on to have a healthy pregnancy once they were on it.

Many people develop thyroid issues as they age so just because you've had healthy pregnancies without it doesn't mean that you don't need it now.

It does not sway, we have both boys and girls conceived on it (and anyone saying it does sway is wrong, please do not listen to anyone saying that.) It also may help to prevent chemicals and very early losses as well.

It is very unlikely to get pregnant from 5-6 days before ovulation and much likelier that it was the pull out. We do have some pullout oopsies even tho pull out is actually a fairly reliable birth control method.

That is far too high a dose of magnesium. I would not take any more than 250 or possibly even 200 max. Doctors are really lackadaisical about approving supplements and if they haven't seen something specifically proving a supplement actively causes harm they're just like "whatever". But that is much much more than I would ever recommend for anyone.

Those prenatals are also less than ideal. They have massive doses of several nutrients in them, plus more magnesium on top of what you were already taking. I do not ever recommend more than 100% of the recommended value of anything (except folic acid or folate, and Vitamin D) and you were taking into the thousands of percentages of some of those things. I can't say if those had a negative effect on anyone's pregnancy, and obviously some people do take them just fine, but I don't recommend them. and that much B6 will delay or even stop ovulation so I would not take them when trying to conceive that's for sure.

I would not have anything like elderberry juice more than 2x a week (and I mean like an 8-12 ounce serving.) Elderberry has many chemical effects (it affects the ability of your blood to clot, your blood sugar levels, and revs the immune system, which is not something you want when pregnant necessarily) and if you were drinking it in large amounts could have been potentially detrimental.

I agree coffee is really not the issue some would make it out to be and is not a big deal. I and everyone I know IRL drank scads of coffee with our pregnancies and did not have any issues. Fine to cut back though if you have concerns.

I would go ahead and try when you're ready as long as you've had one bleed to make sure anything left over has come out.

Thank YOU!! I will get to work on your adjusted plan ASAP!

Thank you! My thyroid levels are technically high but I’d just feel better taking levothyroxine since my 2 year old got here safely on them. My TSH was 4.10 mu/L(normal is 0.27-4.20) and my t4 1.13 ng/dl (normal is .86-1.76)
I have left over Levothyroxine so I’m going to start taking again and text my OB and ask her to call me some more in.

I will drop elderberry (I’m heartbroken thinking I could have done something to hurt my baby [emoji22]). Drop magnesium and just stick with stool softners.

*What about the Metamucil Fiber pills? Do I take 5 pills with both meals a day or just 1?

*And I remember I did take 1 antihistamine before our attempt with my heathy 2 year old daughter. Should I do that this time or I not need with Femara?
*I’ll also take coq10 200 mg a day right?

Let me know if there is anything else i should add/drop.
Thank you!


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[atomic sagebrush]

None of that is your fault, the people who sell this stuff and the doctors who don't bother to do any research or paying attention to their patients' experiences are at fault. The only reason why I know about the potential for harm is because I talk to you guys over the course of time and see what happens to people so I'm just in the position to be an eyewitness to high doses of some nutrients causing harm.

You don't need to drop these things totally, just keep them in the safe and sane range.

Just ONE. That maximum dose is for people using fiber for health issues. And if it aggravates your constipation (fiber sometimes does) then just drop it. You don't need it.

We have given up on antihistamine as it didn't work. I woud not use it with Femara, but if you feel the need, first month only with both.

[jenn1112]

None of that is your fault, the people who sell this stuff and the doctors who don't bother to do any research or paying attention to their patients' experiences are at fault. The only reason why I know about the potential for harm is because I talk to you guys over the course of time and see what happens to people so I'm just in the position to be an eyewitness to high doses of some nutrients causing harm.

You don't need to drop these things totally, just keep them in the safe and sane range.

Just ONE. That maximum dose is for people using fiber for health issues. And if it aggravates your constipation (fiber sometimes does) then just drop it. You don't need it.

We have given up on antihistamine as it didn't work. I woud not use it with Femara, but if you feel the need, first month only with both.

Not sure if you can answer this for me here or not (if not, can you private message?)
I mentioned that they gave me Covid in the hospital after my D&E last week. It hadn’t been anything like Delta that I had in July but my biggest concern is that I still have a fever of 100-100.3 and I’m on day 7.
My concern would be having a fever for 7+ days if I was pregnant. I wouldn’t want to take much Tylenol pregnant either because I read it can cause autism by lowering glutathione levels.
I’m not vaccinated and really didn’t want to from concern of not being able to get pregnant or is causing something to go wrong with baby. Also, I’d never get vaccinated pregnant so I was thinking of doing it once I’m fever free and feeling better. Drs say it doesn’t cause fertility issues but no one truly knows since there are no long term studies so I don’t trust it.
My question is, have you seen people unable to conceive or having problems getting pregnant after getting vaccinated? I’d want to try to get pregnant my first real cycle so is that even safe after the Vax? I know, you don’t know these answers 100% either but I’m curious if you’ve seen problems or losses after getting the Vax (before getting pregnant).

Thank you!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Jenn, did you have a sway plan already?? I am not seeing it, I was going to go through and update it for you but if you don't have one I'll make one anew!

[jenn1112]

Jenn, did you have a sway plan already?? I am not seeing it, I was going to go through and update it for you but if you don't have one I'll make one anew!

Yes I did Back in 2018 I remember you emailed it to me though. I’ll private message you my email and maybe you can find it there? I may have it to so I can forward it back to you. Let me look


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[jenn1112]

Yes I did Back in 2018 I remember you emailed it to me though. I’ll private message you my email and maybe you can find it there? I may have it to so I can forward it back to you. Let me look


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Okay, I just emailed it back to you! It’s just the sway plan but not the LE diet, can I access the diet somewhere too? Thanks!


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[atomic sagebrush]

I'm confused as to why a fever here and now could translate to you being pregnant with a fever or having to take Tylenol when pregnant? Maybe I am confused on the timeline here but if you're waiting till your next cycle to conceive surely your fever would be done by then!

People have been taking Tylenol when pregnant for 30+ years. When my sons were "cooking" we took it all the time, was told it was perfectly safe, and taking it a few days due to illness is really not a big deal. But that having been said, a fever needs to be higher than that to cause harm, more like 103, it's believed.

I cannot speak to anyone having trouble or not conceiving due to the vax. I simply don't have the data to say. I also cannot say if people

What we HAVE seen, and were seeing this right from the start, before the authorities acknowledged that this was even a thing (and in fact seemed to be calling women hypochondriacs for reporting this) is strange changes in the menstrual cycle after the vaccines, that have subsequently been confirmed via studies. Now, the media has been downplaying this quite a lot, claiming "well, it's only a day ON AVERAGE" but what we are seeing is that some people start having really short cycles (so like they're having a period every 2-3 weeks for a few cycles) and others are having really long cycles, so they're only ovulating once every 6-8 weeks and in some cases even longer. And many many people are experiencing changes in flow, weeks if not months of spotting, etc. Now, this may average out mathematically to being "only a day" across the whole population but I think that's sheer blatant trickery designed to make some pretty substantial, disturbing, and unexplained changes in the cycle look like nothing. It's like if one person has 10 dollars and another has 1 billion dollars, you could average that to somewhere in between but that doesn't make the person with 10 dollars a millionaire!

Anyway, that's a long way to say that the issue I can speak to is simply that the vax has seemed to change some people's cycles in ways that did make it harder for them to conceive. Long cycles and short, anovulatory cycles alike can make it harder to conceive. These changes seemed to be temporary and people have conceived after the shot, but of course we do not know any more than that about outcomes. This doesn't mean that you shouldn't get the vaccine, or that you can't get pregnant right after, it just means that there are some unknowns coming into play that I do not feel good about in terms of what the status quo is appearing to claim.

We are definitely seeing some pregnant women have some serious side effects, even fatal ones catching Covid when pregnant. It may be the wisest course to have the vaccine before you conceive. It is just that I can't claim things are safe when I do not know, and the strangeness about being told things that seem like they are not true, by people who are claiming to speak for science, is quite disconcerting.

[jenn1112]

I'm confused as to why a fever here and now could translate to you being pregnant with a fever or having to take Tylenol when pregnant? Maybe I am confused on the timeline here but if you're waiting till your next cycle to conceive surely your fever would be done by then!

People have been taking Tylenol when pregnant for 30+ years. When my sons were "cooking" we took it all the time, was told it was perfectly safe, and taking it a few days due to illness is really not a big deal. But that having been said, a fever needs to be higher than that to cause harm, more like 103, it's believed.

I cannot speak to anyone having trouble or not conceiving due to the vax. I simply don't have the data to say. I also cannot say if people

What we HAVE seen, and were seeing this right from the start, before the authorities acknowledged that this was even a thing (and in fact seemed to be calling women hypochondriacs for reporting this) is strange changes in the menstrual cycle after the vaccines, that have subsequently been confirmed via studies. Now, the media has been downplaying this quite a lot, claiming "well, it's only a day ON AVERAGE" but what we are seeing is that some people start having really short cycles (so like they're having a period every 2-3 weeks for a few cycles) and others are having really long cycles, so they're only ovulating once every 6-8 weeks and in some cases even longer. And many many people are experiencing changes in flow, weeks if not months of spotting, etc. Now, this may average out mathematically to being "only a day" across the whole population but I think that's sheer blatant trickery designed to make some pretty substantial, disturbing, and unexplained changes in the cycle look like nothing. It's like if one person has 10 dollars and another has 1 billion dollars, you could average that to somewhere in between but that doesn't make the person with 10 dollars a millionaire!

Anyway, that's a long way to say that the issue I can speak to is simply that the vax has seemed to change some people's cycles in ways that did make it harder for them to conceive. Long cycles and short, anovulatory cycles alike can make it harder to conceive. These changes seemed to be temporary and people have conceived after the shot, but of course we do not know any more than that about outcomes. This doesn't mean that you shouldn't get the vaccine, or that you can't get pregnant right after, it just means that there are some unknowns coming into play that I do not feel good about in terms of what the status quo is appearing to claim.

We are definitely seeing some pregnant women have some serious side effects, even fatal ones catching Covid when pregnant. It may be the wisest course to have the vaccine before you conceive. It is just that I can't claim things are safe when I do not know, and the strangeness about being told things that seem like they are not true, by people who are claiming to speak for science, is quite disconcerting.

Thank you, these were actually all my concerns with the Vax before pregnancy. I was curious if you were seeing it happen here too. My Ob did tell me today she’s cycles get messed up but not infertile from the vaccine. Ugh I don’t know what to do, all the unknowns are terrifying.
Sorry for the confusion, I was saying that “if” I got Covid pregnant (like in my next pregnancy) I didn’t want to have such long symptoms like I am now, as I’ve had a fever for 7 +days now. Most I’m hearing from who are Vaccinated are getting milder symptoms than me or for less days I guess?

Would the femara force ovulation if I didn’t ovulate first cycle after vaccine?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Well, you would certainly have a good deal of immunity just from having had Covid! So there's that! The few people I know of who have tested positive twice for Covid were either a) never tested and its just ASSUMED they had Covid twice, but who even knows b) were tested with one of the sketchier tests with their first "Covid" and who knows if they ever even had it in the first place or c) were asymptomatic positive the second time. - so the disease may have been detected but they weren't sick and then why does that really truly even count as a case? If you've had Covid and were unlucky enough to catch it again it's not at all likely you would manifest it the same way the second time due to having immunity from illness, regardless of vaccines.

I can't say about ovulation and Femara. Just don't have any information to be able to say that either way, sorry.

[jenn1112]

Well, you would certainly have a good deal of immunity just from having had Covid! So there's that! The few people I know of who have tested positive twice for Covid were either a) never tested and its just ASSUMED they had Covid twice, but who even knows b) were tested with one of the sketchier tests with their first "Covid" and who knows if they ever even had it in the first place or c) were asymptomatic positive the second time. - so the disease may have been detected but they weren't sick and then why does that really truly even count as a case? If you've had Covid and were unlucky enough to catch it again it's not at all likely you would manifest it the same way the second time due to having immunity from illness, regardless of vaccines.

I can't say about ovulation and Femara. Just don't have any information to be able to say that either way, sorry.

Unfortunately I’ve definitely had symptomatic Covid both times, delta 7 months ago and just got over omicron (I still have a lower fever of 100.4 day 12 [emoji58]) but I feel fine today finally other than a little fatigued. I did have antibodies at the time of catching omicron too of 76 u/ml. I don’t think I would have gotten it if I didn’t have to go to the hospital and surgery though. At least my antibodies will be higher now.

Did you say only to take 200 mg of coq10?
Also, when do most people’s cycles return after D&E? 4-6 weeks? I can’t remember with the other losses. Do most ovulate that first period? You think femara is safe to take my first period back?
Thanks!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Good heavens, I'm so sorry to hear that!!!

Yes I'd just stick with 200 mg coq10. That's not an "only" dose either, it is a pretty solid dose. I feel like with 400-600 we are seeing more side effects and it's by no means a magic bullet for egg quality anyway.

The time it takes your period to return varies drastically. It may take yours longer because you've been ill. I had thought you'd decided to wait out the first period without trying?

[atomic sagebrush]

I think you should go ahead and try after 6 weeks if you have your doc's ok and the Femara will only help. I don't think you should wait the full 12 weeks on diet. by that point you will be so far past the loss that it won't help you.


When I said "6 weeks" here I was referring to time on diet. After a D and E you need to wait out the first period to ensure that anything that may have been missed, has a chance to get out of the uterus. So you should not be taking the Femara with your first cycle, you need to have that bleed to wash out anything left over in the uterus. I'm sorry because I know it's quite frustrating to have to wait, but we do have a good number of cases where people did not have everything out in the D and E.

[atomic sagebrush]

I would like you to have had one bleed before trying, so do not take the Femara the first month out.


I would go ahead and try when you're ready as long as you've had one bleed to make sure anything left over has come out.

[jenn1112]

I would like you to have had one bleed before trying, so do not take the Femara the first month out.

The only thing about waiting till the 2nd cycle is that my husband is going to be traveling a lot in for the next few months and even in the summer. I don’t know when those trips will be yet but they are out of the country so for at least 2 weeks each time. So I don’t know if we’d be able to try the 2nd cycle. My dr said it was fine to try the first cycle but do you not think it’s safe or higher chance of miscarriage? I’m still spotting now so I’m thinking it will be 4-5 weeks before my cycle comes back. Would that lessen my chances of a girl trying the first cycle with femara? Or have you seen luck conceiving with people getting healthy babies the 1st cycle back?


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[atomic sagebrush]

I just emailed you but I want to post it here too in case you don't see it -

I honestly do not know why this didn't occur to me sooner, but how sure are you that your fever is being caused by Covid?? I am having concerns that you are suffering from an infection due to the procedure and may need antibiotics. PLEASE consider seeking a second opinion because you should not be having fever for that long with Covid and I'm fearing that something is badly amiss here.

Something about this scenario is not right. There are people who have assumed they had Covid when they had an entirely different issue and I do not want you to suffer serious health problems by assuming we know what's going on here when we truly don't.

[jenn1112]

I just emailed you but I want to post it here too in case you don't see it -

I honestly do not know why this didn't occur to me sooner, but how sure are you that your fever is being caused by Covid?? I am having concerns that you are suffering from an infection due to the procedure and may need antibiotics. PLEASE consider seeking a second opinion because you should not be having fever for that long with Covid and I'm fearing that something is badly amiss here.

Something about this scenario is not right. There are people who have assumed they had Covid when they had an entirely different issue and I do not want you to suffer serious health problems by assuming we know what's going on here when we truly don't.

Thank you, I just responded to your email. I did test positive for Covid (and had all the omicron. Symptoms) and so did my daughter but it did cross my mind about an infection too and I’ve asked my Dr a few times if I needed antibiotics and she said Covid can just linger sometimes. I don’t have a high fever or pain but I think I’ll reach out to my neighbor who’s a dr and get a second opinion.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Keep me posted on this because something isn't right here.

[atomic sagebrush]

The only thing about waiting till the 2nd cycle is that my husband is going to be traveling a lot in for the next few months and even in the summer. I don’t know when those trips will be yet but they are out of the country so for at least 2 weeks each time. So I don’t know if we’d be able to try the 2nd cycle. My dr said it was fine to try the first cycle but do you not think it’s safe or higher chance of miscarriage? I’m still spotting now so I’m thinking it will be 4-5 weeks before my cycle comes back. Would that lessen my chances of a girl trying the first cycle with femara? Or have you seen luck conceiving with people getting healthy babies the 1st cycle back?


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As long as you have your doctor's ok then it's fine by me. The standard recommendation has been to wait out the first cycle, but the past few years I've noticed that they've relaxed the recommendations on when to try after a loss (which is GOOD really because the previous recommendations were far too strict and based in old school beliefs about women being mentally unhinged after losses, and things like "dating purposes" which make no sense whatever since we have ultrasound machines now.) Totally ok in that case, because they know what's going on inside far better than I do.

It won't lessen your chances of pink at all, it's simply that I want you to be safe but if the doc has given u the thumbs up, it's fine to proceed.

Yes I've absolutely seen people have healthy babies the first month!

[atomic sagebrush]

Jenn, I just wanted you to know I sent your plan, so be on the lookout for it. If you don't see it, check your spam, and let me know if you don't see it.