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So I purchased a plan right after DD2 was born (I have gbg) and I am planning on starting to sway around May-ish so that’ll give me 90 days before her 1st birthday. My plan is to lose a few lbs before starting the sway so I can afford to gain a bit and stay in a healthy BMI. I purchased a meal plan which was great but I do really well with having the same thing every day. Like exactly the same thing even though I may make my family something different. Anyone else successfully swayed blue eating the same ole thing day after day? I will eat anything or cut out anything I need to I am not picky nor do I need caffeine or anything else. Other question and I know there is a thread on this… boy moms you guys tend to get your periods right in the morning, right? And also seemingly pretty soon after the birth of your last child. I’m waiting till baby is 1 but also didn’t get my period back PP with my last two until they were over a year. I don’t want to wean her I’m hoping the diet will help bring my cycle back sooner.


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It's ok not to gain anything though. You can do HE Diet and hold steady where you're at, or to gain only a small amount.

I actually think that for blue, you should make some efforts to eat a variety of foods to try to keep sending that message to your body that you have a wide amount of food to choose from and to be sure you're giving your body a chance at a lot of different micronutrients. So while it may be easier to just eat one thing, that's really "girl mom" thinking and you should try to be eating lots of different things as often as you can to keep that message of "times of plenty" going!

Yes we have noticed our periods more likely to come in the morning amongst those who have more boys and mid-day to evening among those who have girls. The time it takes period to come back is more variable and often has to do more with the amount of kids we have, it seems like. But this is not a guarantee, if your period isn't coming in the morning you don't need to wait till it does as long as you're otherwise happy with your sway.

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Haha! I would have loads of girls I don’t mind eating nothing till dinner and I could have the same thing every day…. Oh and live on coffee! I’m surprised I ever got a boy!


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What kind of cereal would you have as a nighttime snack for blue?


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I’m looking at my customized plan and it’s so daunting! I’m just not used to eating like this. My hubby will be happy! I’m just so worried that I’m going to mess it up somehow!! I think from my own experience, losing a bit of weight then maintaining or gaining ( like 1-3 lbs) is really blue friendly and that would agree with the “after war boy boom” since both the moms and dads would be stressed/ losing weight then come back from war and be eating and happy again. So I think I’ll try to get my hubs to lose weight too so he’s not a hippo on the HE diet when that starts.
Atomic, what would YOU do if this was your boy away? I read your Gimme a 5th boy post do you have any more specifics you can add? I won’t sway till April/ May but I have to get my head into boy mom mentality!!!!


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Haha! I would have loads of girls I don’t mind eating nothing till dinner and I could have the same thing every day…. Oh and live on coffee! I’m surprised I ever got a boy!


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But keep in mind we'd ALL get one of the other gender eventually! My mom ate like you did and she had mostly girls and one boy too!

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What kind of cereal would you have as a nighttime snack for blue?


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Whatever kind YOU like as long as it's not one of the ones that's basically pure sugar, like rice krispies, corn flakes, corn pops, that sort of thing. Aim at stuff that sticks to your ribs a bit more!

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I’m looking at my customized plan and it’s so daunting! I’m just not used to eating like this. My hubby will be happy! I’m just so worried that I’m going to mess it up somehow!! I think from my own experience, losing a bit of weight then maintaining or gaining ( like 1-3 lbs) is really blue friendly and that would agree with the “after war boy boom” since both the moms and dads would be stressed/ losing weight then come back from war and be eating and happy again. So I think I’ll try to get my hubs to lose weight too so he’s not a hippo on the HE diet when that starts.
Atomic, what would YOU do if this was your boy away? I read your Gimme a 5th boy post do you have any more specifics you can add? I won’t sway till April/ May but I have to get my head into boy mom mentality!!!!


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There is NO need to be daunted! Keep in mind I have to write plans (even personalized plans) with a variety of situations in mind, including everyone to people who eat a ~mostly~ blue friendly diet to start with and just need a couple of tweaks. And people want the "ideal" so that's what I give. If you already eat a super pink friendly diet, all you need to do is make SOME of the changes in the direction of blue. If you can't get to the maximum max of some of this stuff, that's TOTALLY ok! So if you're a light eater, it is absolutely fine to just aim at eating three meals a day instead of one, to aim at 80 g protein instead of 120, to have 4-5 servings of fruit and veg a day - all good! Just eat more than you have been eating recently, and when you got your girls!

Men losing a bit of weight can indeed sway blue, because men lose fat first, and preserve muscle (the jerks! :p) And chubby hubbies do seem to father more girls. So as long as he doesn't lose more than say 10 lbs, it's all good, I'd not have him lose more than that tho.

I'm honestly not sure what you mean by specifics...I'd eat better, more often, have more sex (even out of the fertile window), do weight training, and take a multivitamin.

I'll give you the type of diet I ate when I got my boys but keep in mind I'm a big eater and stay relatively thin because I have a fast metabolism:

Boy 1 - I often skipped breakfast but I worked at a roast beef restaurant and I'd eat roast beef and fries and all sorts of good stuff. My hubby and I were only just then getting together so we were going out to dinner a good bit as well. I also drank scads of tea!

Boy 2 - I drank lots of milk, ate breakfast and 4 or even more times a day, drank scads of tea, ate a lot of leftover dinners for lunch, ate breakfast cereal mostly daily, eggs frequently because they were cheap, and also peanut butter sandwiches!

Boy 3 - I basically did a full on blue sway diet with him, tons of healthy food, dark choc, regular meals and snacks, eggs, full fat yogurt, ate cheese or nuts every day for breakfast with him, a bedtime snack every night, cereal, both green and black tea.

Boy 4 - I was doing more of an LE Diet, but kept taking the supplements and drinking tea.
I a lot of lost a lot of weight but then decided to "take a month off" and then regained about three pounds and then I got him (and BTW, he's the greatest! I sometimes feel disloyal saying "here's what I did WRONG" because there is nothing wrong about him!)

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Oh and with DS 1 I was walking everywhere so getting exercise but never in the "extreme cardio", was exercising with weights + walking with DS 2 (but not extreme cardio), with DS 3 I had a very physical job so getting a lot of exercise with him but it wasn't continuous, I would have a big breakfast and then a midmorning snack and then a big lunch once I got off work. I wanted to do the extreme cardio for pink with DS 4 but I wimped out!

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That is so true … you *eventually* get one of each! The more I read on the forum the more it clicks. Looking back I see why I had the girls and the boy. By no means do I plan on going crazy and gaining a ton of weight. I don’t mind snacking all day I just don’t like the feeling of a full belly while working at the barn, riding horses, carrying around my kids and cleaning the house. I think even blood sugar is really key so I’m going to aim for a bit of protein/carb every few hours to keep things steady.
What do you think about just plain sprouted oats for cereal at night? With milk and berries of course.
Do you think it would be stupid if I just start going HE then a few weeks later “not preventing” when we dtd if I haven’t had my cycle back yet? The attempts/ timing/ ovulation strips and tests - how important is all that?
My friend has 3 girls and if I can pull a boy out of all this I could make her a believer! She would do a plan for sure. Right now very skeptical…


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Sprouted oats are ok, but we believe that part of the "magic" of the cereal is that it's vitamin fortified. So be sure you're taking a multivitamin too.

I don't think it's stupid, as long as you're aiming to have more than one attempt around ovulation. The timing and ovulation strips are not important, but having more than one attempt, and preferably 3+ attempts in the fertile window of O-3 thru O Day (particularly O-2 and O-1) IS important. The number of attempts is something we never foresaw, but really HAS been a pretty effective tactic (one attempt being effective for pink, and more attempts being effective for blue). Just be sure that what you're counting as "three attempts" is actually IN the fertile window, because in some cases people will go at it like bunnies starting after their period, and by the time the egg shows up their husband is totally depleted. You're wanting a happy medium between regular, unprotected sex out of the fertile window (like every 2-4 days or so), and lots of unprotected sex IN the fertile window.

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It would’ve been convenient if the study had given some more specifics on exactly what cereals!


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Well, the catch is that it may not have even BEEN cereal, but vitamins (which is one of the reasons why we take vitamins) or eating breakfast (which is why we eat breakfast) or even just an overall health-oriented diet/lifestyle. There isn't any proof that cereal = boys per se, it's just that the study found a link between cereal eating and having more boys. So we eat cereal, take vitamins, eat breakfast, just in case any or all of those things may have some effect.

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I was reading last night about a study correlating more calories consumed in the morning with higher fertility. Like better ovulation conditions or that sort of thing. And all the posts from boy moms is breakfast breakfast breakfast! My plan is to eat more calories in the morning and less, but still some, at night. Blood sugar is key like you say. I’m trying to lose weight now so I am looking forward to all the boy food!! I won’t go overboard I promise! Lots of weights and I’ll be out all day in the Florida sunshine working so I won’t get obese! I’m just going to put the 21 day plan on repeat starting April!


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Sprouted oats are ok, but we believe that part of the "magic" of the cereal is that it's vitamin fortified. So be sure you're taking a multivitamin too.

I don't think it's stupid, as long as you're aiming to have more than one attempt around ovulation. The timing and ovulation strips are not important, but having more than one attempt, and preferably 3+ attempts in the fertile window of O-3 thru O Day (particularly O-2 and O-1) IS important. The number of attempts is something we never foresaw, but really HAS been a pretty effective tactic (one attempt being effective for pink, and more attempts being effective for blue). Just be sure that what you're counting as "three attempts" is actually IN the fertile window, because in some cases people will go at it like bunnies starting after their period, and by the time the egg shows up their husband is totally depleted. You're wanting a happy medium between regular, unprotected sex out of the fertile window (like every 2-4 days or so), and lots of unprotected sex IN the fertile window.

This might be a bit tricky if I haven’t had my cycle back yet. Like you think I should wait till my cycles are regular before trying to do it unprotected? Is it unwise to try to “catch the first egg”?
I’m hoping I have a good chance because I got a boy doing a very strong girl sway including one attempt in fertile window and we hadn’t dtd in at least a week. Plus living on coffee, losing weight, cardio mania and eating so low protein/ carb. My only calories came from salad dressing! And was taking a prenatal laden with herbs.


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What you'd need to do in that situation is either use OPK to see if you're getting close to ovulation, or be monitoring your overall fertile signs. If you notice things like increased libido, more cervical mucus, changes in cervical position, increasing O pains, or any other signs you are familiar with. Any time you think O may be coming just go at it like bunnies!

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Ok so review my plan~
Now till April / May lose weight. A lb a week which will put me at 135 for 5’6. Still seems “high” but I look very thin at that weight I have a lot of muscle from riding 3 horses a day and caring for 12 horses and 4 other people!
Starting in May the 21 day plan on repeat. I am not going to stuff myself just eat more normal and also do weights 2-3 times/ week. Not too much because I want my body to think times are good and I’m not exercising too much.
Try to get hubby to lose a bit of weight now with me then do weights when I do so he can build muscle.
Start to dtd unprotected when I’m feeling fertile and multiple times when I’m really feeling it. I think that stressing about the strips and stuff is going to make me too insane. No lube! We used coconut oil or olive oil and if I’m eating right and enough I won’t need any anyways.
I got a 2 girls and a boy guzzling coffee, never eating breakfast, only veggies and coffee for lunch then nothing till dinner which was salad and a lots of dressing and fruit. The boy’s conception I was actively losing weight, doing some weights, calorie deficit and breastfeeding. Dd2 also breastfeeding. And constantly running around / riding/ horse shows/ lessons. I think if I can pull a boy out of that strong girl sway then HE should give me a really good chance!
I wonder if some of the moms like me who have this pink life style, have a girl or two, then randomly have a boy are actually really primed for boys but we block it with our fasting and coffee and always exercising?


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Also all 3 were conceived on the month we tried. Girls were several attempts 4+ days in a row and boy was one random time.


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I was reading last night about a study correlating more calories consumed in the morning with higher fertility. Like better ovulation conditions or that sort of thing. And all the posts from boy moms is breakfast breakfast breakfast! My plan is to eat more calories in the morning and less, but still some, at night. Blood sugar is key like you say. I’m trying to lose weight now so I am looking forward to all the boy food!! I won’t go overboard I promise! Lots of weights and I’ll be out all day in the Florida sunshine working so I won’t get obese! I’m just going to put the 21 day plan on repeat starting April!


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Oh, I haven't seen that one specifically - can you post a link or even just direct me to the scientists' names on it? I can't get it to come up searching because there are so many studies out there.

We base our guidelines for eating breakfast on the Oxford study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18430648/. It found women who went on to conceive boys ate more calories on average than women who conceived girls. I don't want you to get hung up on "eat more in the morning" because you really need to just be eating more all day, whenever you can. I have never in my life eaten more calories in the morning and I have four boys. So great to eat breakfast, even a bigger than normal breakfast, but don't feel you MUST eat more calories in the morning than at other times of day.

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Girl that's not high at all - I am 5'4 and weigh 135 and have most of my life. Muscle mass matters hugely!

Yep even coconut and olive oil can inhibit the ability of sperm to swim. If you can skip lube, do so, if not, use something marked "sperm safe, conception friendly" like Preseed or Conceive Plus.

Yes that's the theory - lifestyle matters, but temporary changes do have big effects, so whenever any woman is skipping meals and living out of the coffeepot, even if overall her lifestyle favors boys under normal circumstances, that can sway pink. Since most of us only have 1-5 children, luck has a huge part to play...you can have a boy-friendly lifestyle most of your life, but if you happen to get pregnant in those times you have more of a girl vibe going on, your body "wants" to up your chances of having a girl!

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https://www.thebump.com/a/breakfast-increase-fertility/amp


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Ah awesome! Thanks! Do be aware though that their diet was highly controlled in other ways (they were eating only 1800 cals) and all of them had thin PCOS and were having irregular ovulation. So we can't extrapolate that to other women, because these women were likely EXTREMELY sensitive to carbohydrates and thus would have benefitted from less food before bedtime. "fixing" fertility issues that are due to PCOS may even sway PINK because PCOS sways blue, so things that are mitigating the challenges of PCOS are likely pink friendly in nature overall.

Long story short, I think you should just eat when you can, the HE types of foods, and don't add in another challenge to yourself in terms of trying to eat more food at breakfast than the rest of the day. That isn't the type of "improving fertility" that sways blue.

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That leads me to my next question…
It is 2 part.
1. Does the even blood sugar for longer sway blue even if you’re losing weight? Can you lose weight while keeping blood sugar even all day? Like if I started snacking throughout the day but was in a calorie deficit would that start to sway better blue? Is the calorie surplus what sways blue? Even if it’s 10 calories a day surplus. Like if someone was on HE, gained 10 lbs then held steady and didn’t conceive until a few months later, what would happen if they were in a slight calorie deficit the weeks leading to ovulation even small calorie deficit, not enough to noticeably change weight just enough for the body to think resources are not as plentiful. So say I’ve gained weight too early then go wow ok I need to stop gaining and try to back down portions, am I now inadvertently swaying pink?
2. It seems to me that it’s the times when someone is gaining weight that’s the boy trigger regardless of starting point. Is this true? So rather your BMI is low, normal or a little heavy, as long as you are in the gaining phase, muscle or fat, you are swaying blue. Right? This is why after weight loss then relaxing the diet, you got your boys?

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Also a question about the 21 day meal plan…. Is it ok to have a few breakfasts on repeat like the oats, the eggs and the almonds and snack on that and say, cheese and fruit till lunch and have last nights dinner for lunch and snack on that till dinner? It’s hard to make so many meals in one day but if it’s optimal… I’ll do it! And would the coconut water and sugar in the tea count as enough carbs if say, I snacked on cheese and almonds all morning and drank coconut water and tea with milk and sugar? It protein/ carb combos right? Can I make my own days out of the grade A foods list provided I do enough protein mixed with carbs? Say for instance

Teas sugar half and half/ 1/4-1/2c almonds and walnuts/ fruit/ 4oz cheese/ coconut water
Or
2-4 eggs/ fruit/ tea/ coconut water
Or
Peanut butter on toast/ cheese/ dark chocolate/ coconut water/ tea
snacked on till lunch
Lunch- leftovers of night before meat/ FF dairy/ starchy veg or fruit and 2 more tea bags w sugar snacked on till dinner
Dinner- red meat/ salmon, Sweet potato w butter or a sweet dressing On a giant salad romaine/ peppers/ tomato/ cukes/ cabbage
Snack- serving of cereal w ff milk or yogurt and berries

I can draw out food like take one or two bites ever half hour but I dk if that’s best for blood sugar I don’t mind going to bed full I hate going to bed unless I’m full so probably could eat the most at night

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We don't know. I do not have the data to answer very specific questions like that, and it very likely varies by person anyway depending on the resources their body has stored and their unique metabolism.

I really do think it's a step in the wrong direction for blue swayers to cut back before swaying (and for pink swayers to gain weight for that matter). You're basically taking two steps backwards before you even start. You're draining your resources, lowering your blood sugar, all that, before you even begin, and now you have that much more ground to make up. Plus, what if (and this happens ALL. THE. TIME.) you get pregnant sooner than you intended?? Now you ended up conceiving right at the worst possible time, when you were cutting back! I myself got my 4th boy when I had taken "the month off" (my husband had different plans, LOL) and was trying to regain weight to lose.

The timing of weight loss has not worked. I don't want you to get hung up on it like you're talking about, because it has backfired by far and away more than it's helped. If you want to lose weight first, absolutely fine, just go ahead and do that, then give yourself time to normalize on weight and then sway.

But no, weight gain is not the boy trigger per se. We have plenty of people who get girls after gaining weight (in some cases a LOT of weight, this is why I hate to see anyone gain a massive amount of weight for blue) and plenty of people still getting boys after losing weight (again, in some cases a LOT of weight). The real "trigger" is improving vs. declining condition and the effects that has on your overall fertility. Your body has many internal mechanisms (many of which we don't even know) that send signals to itself about fertility - this is why even something as sillly as stressing about an upcoming school test, or missing a few nights of sleep, can delay ovulation a few days! Weight loss is ONE of those mechanisms but by far not the only one and so we can't give it more importance than it is due.

In a practical sense, yes, even if your BMI is lower, if you are moving in a direction of more blue friendly in terms of weight gain, then that's all good. But I just don't want you to think that weight gain is the end all be all because it is very much NOT. We are seeing good results with people gaining nothing and losing nothing!

AS for my boys, I am a big eater, always have been, aim at eating healthy foods, get moderate exercise, am highly fertile, and have a very "boy mom" type of personality too. So yes, while I did gain or hold steady on weight with my boys, and lost some with my girl, I had a lot of other stuff going on, and with my girl in particular I was swaying and had a lot of things going on in my day to day life too that swayed pink. I would not attribute any of my kids' genders to weight alone.

PS - as an aside, one thing that's great is that these are the kinds of questions I normally get from PINK swayers!! Very detail oriented, very analytical, and this indicates to me that in terms of your attitude and mindset you are in the "blue zone" so to speak. Not a guarantee, of course, because there are lots of other things that come into play, but definitely encouraging for any blue swayer!

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Yes, it's absolutely fine to have some of the same things again and again. I typically ate the same things for breakfast day in and out (for sure with my last two, and I was actually often skipping breakfast with my first boy) And I am a habitual "leftovers for lunch" eater. I never ate anything approaching the number of meals in the 21 day diet plan, but some people can't eat larger meals and NEED that many smaller meals to get the calories. Do what works for YOU as long as you're eating regularly.

All those foods are great and you can absolutely rearrange and sub in things you like. You do not need to eat just Grade A foods, it's fine to have more mix and match than that. That is really just something that so many people had asked me to do (to go thru and rate foods) but I never meant for anyone to eat just Grade A foods or anything like that.

Just eat in whatever pattern will work for YOU as long as it's more blue friendly than you were eating.

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Ok ok… so I could start my rough draft eating program but still keep calories low enough to lose some weight while keeping blood sugar even (is that possible to lose weight while keeping blood sugar even?) then add in more food as I start lifting weights and heavier weights ( I love weightlifting- HATE CARDIO). So I’m gathering the addition of muscle and access to saturated fats signals better condition? This will be so much more like I want to eat I actually hate coffee and hate processed sweet stuff I could live on nuts/ meat/ eggs… and I want to snack! I have about 5 months before conception so as long as you don’t think this is too early I’m going for it! I already ordered some elk and venison meat because I was so excited to have MEAT! And for a control freak aspect we are having a bunch of projects done here at the house I’ll be in charge of plus breeding schedules for the mares and I want to reorganize my entire house to prep for a 4th! Maybe I could do some kickboxing too I could make my hubby wear gloves he’d get excited :D of course it doesn’t take much to get him excited IYKWIM….


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Also carb and protein for every meal and snack is there a particular ratio? Is it quality over quantity as long as it’s not like under 1800?
Like say, Would someone have a better chance at a blue sway if they were eating 1800 cal of well-balanced meals, whole fats and protein and carbs versus someone who is eating 2500 cal of non-balanced meals just carbs and low fat junk food etc?
So I am still beginning to sway blue if instead of eating only really at night I begin to spread my calories out through the day and add in a little bit of meat here and dairy there? More specifically, losing weight eating HE foods is more boy friendly than eating empty calories and gaining weight, right? Not that I would be trying or even chancing conception while losing weight just want to start priming for better condition. I think you’ve already answered this I just want to have it fooo shooo I don’t want to be hurting my chances here. But what I think we are looking for is even blood sugar be it snacking lightly all day or having well-balanced meals, just no dips or highs. What are signs of low blood sugar? I have gotten so used to just working through hunger and whatever else because being busy outside I just don’t care / trained not to stop and eat .I will definitely be adding more calories in especially as I am working out more closer to conception time since ya gotta eat protein to make muscle and sat fat for hormones, right?
I also wanted to check in on meat and dairy because isn’t animal fat and dairy fat higher in omega 6 than 3’s? And omega 6 sways pink?
I’m not picky at all if you said eat raw steak with cereal I would think it was delicious I literally love to eat anything!! Just years of my moms ED made me a coffe guzzling, one meal, low protein, low fat, vegan eater. Growing up it was never consistent, like no food or a giant meal or only chocolate or straight junk trash or super healthy. So I never learned how to eat like a normal human!

I don’t know if it alerts you or not but I have edited this thing like 25 times adding more and more questions and thoughts as they come to me…

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I did want to add all 3 of mine have been one month wonders… dtd unprotected three times ever and had 3 kids lol. Regular cycles, never been on BC or hormones.


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https://www.thereallife-rd.com/2020/05/how-to-get-your-period-back-postpartum/

This was the other article I was looking at regarding fertility while breastfeeding. It states how a woman’s body could feel ready to ovulate again at only a 1/2lb weight gain per month- which shows how sensitive the body is to nutrition fluctuations. This is why I was asking about easing into the HE diet so one wouldn’t gain then rein it back, even just to maintain and send signals of “hard times” during the conception window.


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Yes absolutely. Five months in advance is not too far out as long as you're not gaining massive amounts of weight. Go ahead and make HE-type changes and then just eat fewer cals and the weight will come off. (you can still eat some fat!! PLEASE do not go super low fat as it's not only going to be bad for your sway in future, but it's also not that helpful for dropping weight as your body starts to have massive cravings!) Don't worry too much about blood sugar right now, just get the weight off. Blood sugar tends to respond pretty quickly and you'll have time before your sway to think about that.

Yes, anything that "tells" your body that times are good, you're in good health and have a lot of resources available to you will sway blue.

There's NO ratio on carbs and protein. It doesn't take many carbs with the protein, even something like ketchup on a burger qualifies (as of course does the bun!)

I can't answer your question about what would be better, I just don't have the ability to do that. I suspect that there are a LOT of variables between those two hypothetical individuals. I will say this, though - there is a LOT of nutrition in so called "junk food." I'll sometimes have pink swayers who will say things like "but I don't eat a healthy diet, all I ever eat is junk! Why, I can eat an entire carton of Oreos at one sitting!" But if you look at cals, protein, fat, and added fortification you are going to be eating a lot of nutrients in a thing of Oreos even tho they are what we consider "junk". And you can eat a mountain of broccoli before getting the protein, fat, cals, and lots of other nutrients in a burger, fries, chocolate shake. So I do think you just need to think along the lines of MORE overall (once your sway begins that is) instead of thinking that healthy, low cal will be swaying blue for you more than unhealthy high cal because I'm really not too sure that's the case.

Any changes you make in a boy friendly direction will sway blue. I know the old school sway sites act like if you don't do all of 9 million things just perfect their sway will fail. But that simply isn't the way it works, and small changes do add up and make a difference. We know this because so many people feel that they change nothing but have different genders.

The biggest sign you should look for with low blood sugar is just that you're hungry. You do not want to be in a full-on blood sugar crash with shakiness and dizziness before eating, just eat reasonably over the course of the day and it's fine. Do the schedule that works for YOU. We have no evidence about what an ideal pattern would be, if there is one (and that would very likely vary by person, even by week or day as it goes along depending on how much you exercised and what you'd eaten.) Just eat regular meals, as far apart as makes sense to you, so you're neither stuffed and gaining massive weight or starving in between meals. You don't need to overthink it any more than that.

Yes you do need good levels of saturated fats coming in to help make sex hormones but you can do that even on a reasonable diet as long as you're not eating what I call the "girl mom" diet in which people eat a Yoplait lite for breakfast, candy bar and diet Coke for lunch, and salad with fat free dressing and fat free pasta for dinner.

Ok bump the rest of this if I don't come back to reply, my husband wants lunch LOL

Don't overthink the Omega 3 vs. 6 thing. The best studies found simply more animal fats vs. more vegetable based fats, and the Omega 6 fats are more important in getting people to stop using milk replacers and artificially produced vegetable oils, plus taking Omega 6 supplements which we've gotten poor results with. Our good results are in people eating the meat, dairy, eggs, and not worrying about Omega 6 balance beyond not loading up on transfats, rice milk, and evening primrose supps.

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Oh and don't worry about the edits, I don't get notifications on threads (there are just too many).

:agree: good sign that you've got pregnant easily in the past!

That's a pretty neat article! I actually conceived my fourth boy without having had a period (well, I had had one, but months earlier, and then it went away again for several months)

Don't worry so much about the "hard times" idea. It cannot happen in a day, a few days, the fertile window, or even 2-4 weeks. Our stats show dreadful results for pink swayers with 2-4 weeks on diet, even when they are very strict and deprive themselves. It takes at minumum 6 weeks before we start to see what I consider to be acceptable pink sway numbers, and much better results with 12+ for pink. There is NO WAY that a couple days or even a couple weeks off on diet will send a signal of "hard times" and that is if you even HAD hard times. The body is not that sensi to diet and it is normal and expected to have some variation. Alll of us with boys, myself included, had days where we ate a lot and then days when we were running around and missed a meal, yet had boys anyway. You need to put the idea that any little thing is going to put your body out of the boy zone, aside. It's an overall trend towards blue that your body responds to.

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Ok I get what you’re saying. I started the HE today had egg/ blueberries/ sugar tea half and half
Nuts and pumpkin seeds and dates
Baked beans and salad w cheese
Dinner was veggie and meat sauce on salad with fruit.
For this weight loss phase I’m going to cut the grains and any other processed carbs and use the fruit as my carb sources. I’m a little skeptical of stevia, which I usually use, since I’ve not read a whole lot of info on that here and seems to not be something the boy moms use.
I won’t be skimping on fat as I need that to get my body to feel confident producing hormones. Organic eggs, grass fed butter, grass fed local beef, organic cream & yogurt, nuts… I’m just not going to go nuts on it haha oh boy I crack myself up…. But definitely include a couple eggs/ dairy/ meat daily.
It’s the fat in the dairy that sways boy right? Because I saw on the girls thread that seemingly plenty of moms were drinking milk, whole and skim, when they got their girls and you said you became lactose intolerant so weren’t drinking much milk with your 3rd. Cheese/ butter/ yogurt/ cream better?
Does the “mindset” have effect? I suppose there’s no way to track that or even put it into a spreadsheet situation but wondering if I’m too relaxed. I’m worried about being too relaxed!! Ahh!
Are there stats on more success for a girl mom swaying blue or a boy mom swaying pink? What about if they have one of the one they are swaying for and multiple of the other is it a better success rate than having all of one? I don’t think there is any way to actually chart that anyways…. I think at this point I’m just wondering out loud like a crazy person.
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Can you bump this for me??? I thought I'd have time to reply but a lot of stuff has come up today.

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Bumping. It’s ok take your time you have 5 kids!! Plus life!


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I would stay away from stevia except on occasion. I just don't think we have the data to know how it actually sways.

It is not only the fat but the overall nutrition. Dairy foods are very nutrient dense. Everyone in that thread mentions dairy as some sort of magic pink taliisman, but 75% of people on Planet Earth are lactose intolerant and many cultures do not have any dairy at all. Yet the gender ratio stays 50-50 and in fact is actually somewhat higher in countries where dairy is the most eaten, like Scandinavia, than it is around the equator where most people are lactose intolerant.

The reason why we use full fat dairy for blue in addition to it being so nutrient dense is because a) it's been shown in numerous studies to be good for boosting fertility and b) to avoid people relying on the milk replacers. We saw time after time people who were having only skim dairy or too many milk replacers getting girls.

Yes, the mindset absolutely has a big effect. I can almost, but not quite, pick out people whose sways are in jeopardy on the basis of their personalities alone. (If I could pick out people by personality I would of course warn them, but it's not reliable enough to do so).

I would honestly not WANT to put that in a spreadsheet because what people do, is change things in ways they desperately hope will "fix" the mindset, while in reality they continue doing the exact same things that they always did, only moreso (more common in pink swayers, but blue swayers sometimes do this too where they'll justify continuing to exercise a lot because it "makes me control freakish" - ok yes but you're still exercising 2 hours a day!) OR, and this is definitely the case more with blue swayers, they feel that they didn't do everything just perfectly, so they may as well give up because they can't "fix" their personality. So keeping stats on that would be defeating in two ways, both highly inaccurate and highly discouraging. But as an outsider looking in to people's sways, as someone who has been on one side of the aisle and then experienced a change in attitude that led me to conceive the opposite gender, I can see it VERY clearly. The majority of the women who have more boys ask the types of questions you do.

As for when I conceived my 3rd, I wasn't drinking much milk, but I ate gobs of cheese (I regularly was eating 3-4 oz. cheese as a breakfast) had either a big bowl of cereal with milk or a big bowl of yogurt (I can have cheese and yogurt, those do not upset my stomach) as a bedtime snack. I had one or the other every day. Plus I had incidental cheese like in burritos, on sandwiches, etc. I was eating plenty of dairy, just not quite as much as I was with my first two (which was a lot.)

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That’s good I’ve definitely been eating cream/ cheese / butter / eggs/ fatty meats/ nuts and beans as much as I want with fresh or dried fruit or coconut water, plus lots of veggies. I lost a lb, BUT I’m NOT complaining and I think it’s my body’s way of saying breakfast and food and energy- FINALLY!!!! I wouldn’t be opposed to drop a bit more since I got my boy when I was in a really good fit place. Plus I’m just eating whatever I want when I want and have more energy and feel stronger- I can always add more food in when the time gets closer. July is the soonest I want to TTC since that’s when youngest will be 1. Also partially logging this all down on here so if I make another girl I can go back a bd see what I did wrong and try again! If I can…
Still wondering if the conception on the first cycle back will be a good idea or if I’m shooting myself in the foot by 1.) losing weight first then going into a gain phase of a couple lbs 2.) still breastfeeding and bd freely when D-Day arrives. In my mind I have this set plan on how it’s gonna go down. Lose fat- get muscle- eat the list- ovulate- boy- done. It goes without saying this is all in the hands of Jesus and praying for a healthy baby if He decides to give me another.
It’s interesting the MDH because I have a herd of mares. The top mare has only had females and the lowest on the low has had only males. They are both fat and eat a ton. Probably a fluke but interesting anyways.
I did wonder which piggybacks on to my other wonder if you take a 150lb female and she loses 20 lbs but gains back 5 in muscle and fat and also take the same female and have her gain 5lbs,
Would she be just as blue friendly at 135 as she is at 155? Or is she now too little / too much and swaying pink? Also if you had her lose 20lbs fasting or 20lbs on a balanced diet would that effect the blue friendliness? Does it matter how the weight came off or how it gets put back on? Does it even matter that the weight came off in the first place or just that it got put on? Is there a set point of gain that crosses into the pink realm? Like after x percent of fat you’re now pink. Or if you gain x amount in x amount of time you’re now pink zone. Perhaps the gaining too much weight signals not that the famine is actually over let’s use this food up but that the body is storing up, afraid for the next famine so while technically you’re gaining weight it’s only because your body has lowered its metabolism and doesn’t believe times are good. Maybe females are better primed after a period of weight loss then a couple months of weight gain for boys because the body wants to take advantage of the feasting time before another famine? Or something tells this body to go ahead and up the metabolism we know times are gonna be good now? The body mechanisms are truly fascinating. Again, there is no way to collect data on this it’s just total rambling while snuggling my two sleeping little ones. At the end of it all, it’s really just up to God.


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Breastfeeding is very far from a magic bullet. Lots of people breastfeed when they get boys. I have one boy and one girl conceived while breastfeeding and as a breastfeeding supporter I hate to see anyone stop nursing when they don't want to, because it's not necessary.

I can't answer your question about losing and then gaining some. I only know that many people, myself included, have done so and still gotten boys. Weight gain (and loss for that matter) just have not been that predictive of sway success.

Interesting about mares! Unfortunately we can't draw conclusions between different animals and humans because we have different "cultures" so to speak and different mechanisms come into play - it just doesn't always work the same in animals as it does humans. But there is at least one study that seemed to indicate there is some preference in gender conceived in mares too: https://www.equisearch.com/articles/mare-may-influence-sex-of-the-foal

I cannot answer your very specific questions. I would simply be making answers up and I try to never do that. All I can speak to is overall trends and what has appeared to work for most people most of the time. (If ONLY I knew the answers to those questions! Wish I did!)

I would not ever recommend fasting for anyone who wants a boy. I don't think it's a good idea and honestly if you intend to keep weight off in the long term it's always best to lose weight more slowly on a more balanced diet (not to mention healthier overall). Crash dieting is not only bad for blue, it's also bad for your metabolism and the weight may come back easier and be harder to lose a second time, and also it can wreak havoc with your bone mass, your nutrient stores, and your fertility in the short term. I would only lose weight with a balanced diet and exercise.

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Absolutely- I was really just rambling/ wondering/ musing I know there’s no way to answer those questions! Maybe one day after analyzing 1,856,327 sways you may be able to see a trend! Lol I just ponder all these things in my head wanting to gather as much info as I can before my attempt. A balanced diet so far has me FEELING so much better - who knew *eyeroll*
I have learned so much here and from you since my last baby’s conception!
Fasting I think is really detrimental to damage hormones even though I myself would have a coffee then go all day without eating until duh oh yeah eat you stupid cow… derp. It’s a wonder I stayed fertile.
Great news about breastfeeding I always nursed my last one when preggo with my next and glad I didn’t cut them off!


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Intermittent fasting may help some people by improving overall sensitivity to blood sugar. But I don't ever want to see anyone (regardless of how they're swaying) doing very low cal crash diets or juice fasts - it just doesn't work because the weight comes right on back again. This is particularly true when people crash diet and then do HE!

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What measurement is a scad? ;D I have been drinking 4 bags a day plus matcha but could do more??


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What measurement is a scad? ;D I have been drinking 4 bags a day plus matcha but could do more??


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It just means a whole lot, like gobs or oodles.

4 bags is plenty!

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I was being facetious ;)


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Oh ok, sorry, I actually get questions like that a lot as we have people on this site from around the world so I answer them automatically! :)

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That’s exactly what I figured! Ok 4 it is and the matcha- I do about 2 cups a day which is 4 servings is that ok ?


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Yes that's plenty of tea, perfect amount, just carry on!

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Thank you! Enjoying it and really liking planning/ listing/ buying all the new stuff n things for the sway which is SO far away but I think about it ALL the time like rehearsing and rehearsing. Hubby has been great well he just eats and drinks what I make so he’s off coffee and onto tea! I hope that helps our case. Cheese, meat, eggs, nuts, butter- I’m diving into all of it which I crave so much more than sugary stuff and have WANTED all this time! My true Valentine loves!! I’m actually down 5 lbs since starting to incorporate HE/ high protein/ high fat foods with carbs. I have energy and wake up running around doing things all day- I don’t feel woozy and headache-y anymore in the afternoons. I don’t miss coffe or not eating- who would miss that?!? Running around after kids and still have energy to burn at night, which is usually planning sway/ reading GD lol! Oh and my Bible ya ya that too… Don’t think I’ll go back to my old WOE even after the next pregnancy (God willing I have another healthy baby) 1. I may need to re try for a boy if this next is a girl and 2. I’ll have ENERGY! So if the only thing that comes out of this is a new way, healthy way, of living, well I’ll be happy. (And have the energy to try again lol!) I just want to document down what I’m doing to 1. Possibly help someone if I ((fingers crossed)) have a successful sway and 2. Track my own sway for myself so I can dissect it repeatedly if I fail!
So a normal day so far this past week-
Breakfast
3 teabag teas with whole grass fed organic milk and sometimes honey
Bowl of organic sprouted oats and/ or eggs in grass fed butter
Snack
Dried mulberries and goji berries
Walnuts and pumpkin seeds
Slices of organic cheddar
Grapefruit or orange or apple
Lunch
Cooked veg and leftover meat or egg and coconut water or fruit I’m not really hungry at lunch
Afternoon
Whole milk or coconut cream with matcha
Collagen powders
An S**t ton of greens powders waiting to see if I’m supposed to ditch those
Dinner
Meat or beans
Cooked veggie variety
Giant mixed spring mix salad w romaine and vegetable variety with garlic, ginger, black cumin seeds ( not sure if I should be eating them?) and mixed nut butter (like nutzo) as a dressing
A couple cashews or dark chocolate with about 2 cups fresh raspberry, blueberry, blackberry mix before bed
(I need to add whole milk organic yogurt just haven’t been to the store yet and they were out last time!)
Taking
One a day prenatal (Bf 6 month old)
Calcium from garden of life (I dk if I should be on this but I always took while bf)
Folic acid
Omega cap
Probiotic

I will focus on eating more calories 6-8 weeks out from starting to dtd unprotected.

Lifting weights twice a week plus I feed/ muck out barn of 12 horses twice daily plus ride 3-4 horses 5 days/ week and have 3 young kids to look after plus plus a husband which requires the MOST care, attention and supervision!


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That's great!!!!

AGH, I remember seeing something about the greens powders but I didn't have time to reply! where did you post those??? I want you to stop them but I have not been able to find the post where you asked about them and I need to discuss them with you in more detail.

Everything else is looking great!

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I would ease off the Garden of Life Calcium. That would give you quite a high dose of Vit. D and much more magnesium than I want anyone to be taking (regardless of their sway) because it can really create havoc in your body for many people to take such a high dose. Plus there are some other things in there that I don't know how it would sway.

The dose is for four capsules so if you're only taking ONE, then it's ok to continue with them and is likely even desirable. It's just SUCH a high dose!

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I had emailed them to you! I’ll email the calcium too it’s 3 tabs. I tried to upload the pic here but it’s not letting me. It’s the myKind organic plant calcium one not the vitamin code one. It has 25mcg Vit D 800 mg calcium 60 mg magnesium in 3 tablets (a serving/ dose). Should I take any calcium at all or just stick with lots of dairy?

Do you have any experience with moms who got boys during an unintentional pink sway? Do you think they are actually “programmed” for boys but “block” that with their lifestyle? And if you’ve had them, do they have better outcomes with their sways? Crystal ball questions again!


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Ok! I'll check. Emails are inferior to the site because things get buried quickly and then I always assume they're on here, but it can be the best way to send me photos so I'll go check those out again and get back to you.

Do you see all the added ingredients in the "My Kind"? Now, I doubt that any of those things are in enough concentration to sway, but as a general rule I have you guys skip things that have lots of added ingredients. It does have ginger which I don't recommend for swaying or during pregnancy even as it may thin the blood too much (again, likely in very small amounts, but still).

And I am always very wary of algae as it has been linked to motor neuron diseases like ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease). My father in law always took a lot of supplements and he got ALS, which is how I know of this connection as we did tons of research trying to understand why this rare diseases had stricken our family. Now, this may very well be totally coincidental, and he was also in the military which is another associated factor with ALS. But it is a legit thing that scientists are studying and I can't in good conscience recommend more than occasional dietary use of algae products just because it's a positively brutal disease that I do not want anyone to ever get. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190917115449.htm

Now, it's a much better product than the other as it doesn't have that insane dose of magnesium or the dietary enzymes added, but I'd slowly over time reduce the amount you're taking (please do not just stop it cold turkey!). I wouldn't take the full dose, maybe just one or two a day, and possibly if you want to, wean off it totally. I did take calcium and magnesium and Vitamin D with my 3rd and 4th boy so I am fine with you taking them, I don't believe in any way that they sway pink (gave it all up to finally get my girl) but it's just that I don't want you taking anything that could potentially harm your health.

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Thank for that! I’ll wean off for sure. I’m taking the Ovega-3 brand omega supplement made from algae so I’ll get off that too. What do you think of krill oil for omega 3 caps?

I was also eating black cumin seeds. Cut ‘em out?

The powders I couldn’t upload onto here but I’m going to stop them all. Should I wean down or just stop?

Matcha is the only other powder I take. What do you think about collard greens powder? It doesn’t have anything else in it.

What about almond milk for hubs? He drinks an enormous glass nightly like 4 cups worth! I’m getting him the silk organic unsweetened almond but should he just go to dairy? It’s quite a few more cals but I could try to get him to drink less?


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So what to remember about "unintentional pink sways" is this - even with full on, very intensive sways we get between 66-75% success rates (our success rates go up and down and up and down and up again over time but that's a good average to go off of - somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of our sways depending on just who is swaying at that point in time work out for both pink and blue) so that is a lot of opposites even with intentional sways! If swaying could actually alter the gender ratio 100% of the time the entire human race would have died out long ago, because as soon as there was a famine, there would only be girls born. It's just not a light switch or a magic bullet.

Plus, the month you happen to conceive is just that - a MONTH. People have entire lifestyles, years upon years where they've had particular lifestyle(s) that may have some overall effect on their bodies - nutrient stores, muscle mass, insulin sensitivity, body fat percentage, whether or not they've been on birth control, the number of pregnancies they had and when they had them, let alone anything their husband brings to the table. It is entirely possible for people to have had an entirely pink (or blue) friendly lifestyle even as much as 95% of their lives and then just to have conceived at a point in time where they were more blue (or pink) friendly. This happens quite a lot - and most of us are nowhere near living a super blue or super pink friendly lifestyle 95% of the time! I can think back on several years where I was super thin, exercising a lot, and it just so happened I never got pregnant at those times. MOst, if not nearly all of us, would eventually get an opposite, it's just that we don't want to "Duggar it out" and have unlimited numbers of kids.

And finally, swaying is like an iceberg. The stuff we see above the waters is minuscule compared to the stuff that is happening below the surface. We only know of a FEW things that are altering gender ratio compared to the things that are likely coming into play that we have no idea about. So we are looking at general trends and trying to do what has worked for most people most of the time, but it's very likely that there are other things we have no idea about that are probably having an effect. It's not only luck, but possibly other things that are going on that are affecting people's outcomes and so we just can't

I try not to track anything that requires me to make a value judgement on whether people have a pink or blue lifestyle going into it. First of all it would take me an eternity to figure out who has a "pink or blue" lifestyle and that is just time I do not have, secondly, I'm fallible and might be looking at tactics that are completely irrelevant while overlookign things that matter, and finally, because it's an unscientific way to accrue data and would be worthless and misleading. The only things we can track with any precision are straightforward, yes/no/how long/how much types of things. Beyond that I always hesitate to speculate because people put WAY too much stock into my musings, and I end up with people basing sways around things that are essentially me talking out my butt, or convinced they either have a guarantee so skip lots of other things, or that they should give up without even trying, and all based on me just thinking out loud. So I try not to do that!

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the algal oils for Omega 3 are ok because they are ONLY oil. All other components have been removed from them. That is fine to continue.

Krill oil is fine too. The important thing is that you're not taking too much. No more than 500 mg from all supplements and more like 250 may be better for a good number of people.

How much black cumin? Dietary amounts only. Every single thing, even if it's totally benign, can have cumulative effects both with itself and then in other things that you eat and drink and take. Think of it this way - if you're taking, drinking, or eating something to such extent that it's like a medicine, it can have medicinal effects, and thye more things you take in concert, the more potential interactions they can have. Since none of these things have been adequately studied for safety, let alone for swaying, it's best to treat all foods/drinks/supplements as a part of a balanced diet, everything in moderation. Even beyond your sway, it's better for your health overall not to ingest large amounts of anything. Even things that seem completely benign and commonplace like cinnamon, peppermint, garlic, turmeric, etc can be harmful in too large a dose and in combination with other things that may enhance their effectiveness or have the same effect (like, garlic and turmeric and cinnamon are all powerful blood thinners and using a lot all together can have a severe effect on the ability of your blood to clot. Cinnamon and apple cider vinegar that many people have daily can cause your blood sugar to drop REALLY low and cause some unpleasant and even harmful side effects (we've had some people faint from low blood sugar using these things) Certain vitamins can add to these issues.

Yes I'm in the middle of replying to your post about the powders. Some of them are ok (the collagen, and probably the collard green one but I would treat that as a dietary intake and not a free for all in case there are medicinal effects we do not know) and some of them you should run from and never go back. Again, so sorry about the delay!

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I would keep hubby at half that intake. We have no evidence linking almond milk in men to any negative effect on a sway whatsoever but we also have no data on that (other than to note as found in studies that vegan men have more girls.) Just to hedge our bets, let's half that, and hopefully he will be happy and will still be having less than he was.

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To be safe, I’m going to switch him to dairy milk until after conception. I’m just going to stop the black cumin seeds- maybe a 1/4 tsp every so often. I was only taking it Bc it’s supposed to help with milk supply and it’s tasty on a salad. They are high in iron too.
I’m not going to do the collagen or the collards powder it’s just too weird and boy diet seems to be a wide range of non processed foods eating them not powders and pills and stuff, if I’ve read it correctly.
I can eat collards normal style and instead of collagen I can just get the extra protein from meat dairy eggs beans and nuts.

I just want to keep it simple and normal. Boy moms from what I read don’t really get mega on all the supplements powders and lubes and all the voodoo.


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Also Also… what about sunflower/ sesame/ pumpkin seeds? Just a bit here or there no huge amounts. Just in trail mix I make myself.


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Also also also… in my musings I was thinking about what I had read in the “how we got our boys” thread and (I read all of them) seemingly lots of moms conceived boys after a time of weight loss/ toning before a period of eating well (I.e. slimming down for a wedding then a few weeks/ months of indulgence before conception) and I wondered if maybe that weight loss period of time followed by a period of plenty signaled an even more boy friendly condition than say, someone who would be living on a consistent diet without much variation before conception. As in, maybe that weight loss phase triggers a mechanism that turns on the efficiency of the body to use nutrients so that when the mothers begin or resume a diet of plenty, their body is now loaded up because it has its efficiency turned up to the max. I don’t know it just seemed like a recurrent theme!


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How much does personality fit into this? How do I know my personality do you have a post about it? A checklist :D maybe I should take on some more stuff!!!


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Or you can just take a "moderation in all things" sort of approach and do those things SOMEtimes, but I understand if it helps make it feel more simple to juggle it all.

Dietary amounts of seeds are fine, don't do the "seed cycling" that some people recommend (this was literally made up on no evidence by a blogger and then now lots of people act like it's a proven thing) I certainly ate them at times when I got my boys and I was eating the pumpkin seed granola with my younger two.

Keep in mind that most of us, myself included, when writing in that thread had the basic sway info in our minds and were mentioning things that meshed with that, because we thought people might be interested, and NOT because those things ~necessarily~ sway.

I do think it's possible that people's bodies might notice a change in condition after a weight loss, but I sure wouldn't want to count on that. I think it's best to just aim at improving condition overall instead of first declining then improving. Why take 2 steps back before you even start?

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How much does personality fit into this? How do I know my personality do you have a post about it? A checklist :D maybe I should take on some more stuff!!!


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Trust me, you have the boy mom personality, LOL! Totally. I do have an essay on it here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/33517-maternal-dominance-hypothesis-priviledged-daughter-hypothesis.html?highlight=maternal+dominance+hypot hesis I will say that a lot of people have a hard time understanding this stuff as it applies to themselves, though. I have the benefit of being the "eye in the sky" seeing a LOT of people come and go, and the genders they get, but beyond that actually having been a quintessential control freakish boy mom and then experiencing a hard situation that really forced me to come to a reckoning with how little control I truly had over anything, and it was only after that point I had a girl. It can be extremely hard to understand until you've lived it firsthand. But just rest assured that the type of extremely detailed questions you've asked me here are much more in line with what I have from my moms with lots of boys.

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Ha! Well that answers that about the personality, I did get a boy being very pink friendly so maybe the personality had some say in the matter. I wasn’t eating much and losing weight at the time but was in charge of building my barn plus planning a lot of horse sales at the time. And taking care of my people. I had read that essay already lol!!! I’ve read pretty much all the essays even the ones for pink. (Stuck under a nursing baby alot plus want to knowwwwwww)
Yes I understand- not really all in on one unique thing in giant portions. After LOTS of reading and study here plus the information you’ve sent me I feel a good handle on the eating now. Just be NORMAL duh…
And the condition thing- maybe they actually weren’t declining in condition Bc a lot were working out / getting toned for wedding etc so perhaps inadvertently improving condition by gaining muscle although losing fat and then adding a bit of fat back on to really make the internal mechanisms think times were great. Like the slimming / toning signaled fight for dominance/ food then the bit of fat gain signaled success over food sources. Especially if the weight came off with a good diet. I dunno I’m talking out of my you-know-what at this point.
I was sweetening my tea with organic date syrup since I’m suspicious of stevia and it has like 2 grams of fiber per tbs so not so high in sugar. Of course I have it w breakfast not solo and whole milk in it. And do you prefer mixed nut butter or peanut butter? I’ve seen mixed opinions of peanut butter on here I know no peanut oil for sure.
Also, do you remember ever seeing a study about men who father more daughters? It was a list like pilots, auto mechanics, I think farmers and a few other occupations that involved contact with chemicals. I can’t find it now but I remember seeing it maybe you’d know.
Also also, what do you think about the “dads family and his kid’s genders” study where men with more sisters had girls and more brothers had boys? My
Hub is one of 3 boys. I’ve been observing my MIL very closely and try to do as she does/ eat how she does!


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"Declining in condition" is more of a wide category than you are imagining it.

When it comes to our body, for all it knows we're all still living on an African savannah 300,000 years ago, or in an Ice age 20,000 years ago, or someplace in between. What our bodies "want" to do is keep us alive to pass down our genes to future generations, and getting pregnant at inopportune times is not conducive to that. So when someone is losing weight, even if they've added a bit of muscle (which, it is very hard for women to add muscle anyway), the body sees that as "oh no what is going on here, where is all my food going". When I was in the very best shape of my life, I weighed 120 lbs with BMI 20.6 (and that's barely below my weight cutoff for pink swayers!!) and was totally ripped, but my period stopped for three months till I gained some back. After a couple months, my hair started falling out too. Even though I was fit and strong and could have done TaeBo for 5 hours a day my body saw that as "declined condition" in terms of my ability to get pregnant. (and I would have loved to know what gender I might have conceived during that time period, I truly would)

The human body WANTS to have some fat on itself for pregnancy. We actually need fat on us for a successful pregnancy, birth, etc. You could take a magnificent Amazon woman with fifteen percent body fat and her body thinks she is in low condition because she's too thin, even if she's super healthy. (indeed, Gal Gadot, who plays Wonder Woman, has three daughters!)

My point with all this is that we can't look at anyone's body and say "well she must have got a boy because she lost weight and was working out and was therefore in good condition" because we just can't know. This stuff happens oftentimes below the water on the iceberg, if that makes sense.

I do not want anyone to overthink this declining/improving condition and try to decline, then improve your condition because the truth is whenever you decline your condition, you're making yourself more pink friendly and then have taken two steps backwards before you even start. Start from your baseline and go from there. Not only that but I have seen quite a few people (and I myself did this with my fourth boy) who tried to "game the system" somehow, either blue swayers doing what you've been thinking about trying to decline before improving, or pink swayers gaining weight to lose it later on, and then ending up accidentally conceiving before they intended to.

Just lose weight if you need to lose weight, but NOT because you think it will help your sway. I can't say that works, because I truly don't know, and I have just seen it go bad too often for people. Fine for anyone to lose weight because they need to, but I cannot sign off on how it might sway, if that makes sense.

Date sugar or syrup is absolutely fine. I used to always have my tea with some sugar in it and got both my boys that way.

Whichever you prefer on the peanut butter. There's a big difference between peanut butter and peanut oil really. I think peanut butter is GREAT for blue and I ate it several times a week with all my sons (even the fourth one, where I was attempting to sway, I still had peanut butter just not as often)

I have seen that study for sure, I have it printed out somewhere. I can't find it in a reasonable Google Scholar search (the amount of new studies being done is mindblowing and much of what I used to take for granted back in 2010 is buried under slews of other studies and I never have the time to go back and hunt them all down) but I did find this one, which is new-ish and I hadn't seen it yet. https://academic.oup.com/milmed/article/184/7-8/e321/5299965?login=true

That study is interesting but the conclusion (which is that this variation is down to "genes") is nonsense. I have an explanation here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/sperm-qualities/552-guess-what-men-make-50-50-x-y-sperm.html?highlight=genetic+gender+study

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Ok I get it I won’t beat the dead horse any more! I’m just looking for answers that don’t exist. Iceberg beneath the water answers.

I’ll definitely not be losing any weight, I already lost a bit when I started HE so I’m feeling good like I can hold steady and afford to gain 1-3 when we go for it. Already cut out coffee and powders and eating breakfast /snacks and all the stuff so if we accidentally conceived it’s better than before.


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Believe me, I WISH I had the answers, but I just honestly don't and I think it's best to do what works rather than basing anything on supposition. I see people go down rabbitholes of theorizing and it's all just conjecture, so just keep eyes on the prize and do what works and you'll have the best sway you can!

GREAT! You're on the way!! :bluecheer: :bluecheer: :bluecheer:

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Yeah the rabbit holes! Lol I think after all your years of experience and research you’ve conjectured all that can be conjectured!
But but I did think of something about that study where fathers with brothers have more boys and fathers with more sisters have more girls… so you know how some guys pick wives who are just like their mom? Hmmm the wondering continues… Bc I do see lots of similarities between myself and my MIL…
Anyways, yea plan to keep fine tuning myself for a blue over then next 4-5 months gosh the last time I “swayed” for a blue was total night and day difference from this time. I was a walking girl recipe probably would get the most boy mom of 8 boys a girl sheesh….


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Yes, somewhere on here I have that "conjecture-d" on. I have a couple essays about that but didn't hunt them all down.

There are also a lot of lifestyle similarities in families - I find I cook a lot more like my mother in law than I do my own parents just because that's what my husband will eat!

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Do you find a certain amount of gained weight to be particularly successful? I know you said over a certain amount sways opposite and once I get preggo I get so heavy! People always say oh you’re so tiny when I’m pregnant then nearly fall over when I tell them I’ve gained 40lbs! Here I go with the gosh darn weight again.


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No. There doesn't seem to be any "set" amount at least that we are able to tell. Keep in mind that people have different body types and are starting from different places. A person who is 6 feet tall and starts off at BMI 18.5 might gain the exact same as a person who is 5 feet tall and has BMI 24 but they would clearly be in very different places and I just don't have the ability to track all that.

Yep that's me too - I have gained as much as 60 lbs with one of my pregnancies, ALWAYS gained over 40, and I'm not that tall, nor am I super thin to start with. But people don't realize I've gained as much as I have. Everyone is different!

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Can you also tell me why I have to answer unanswerable questions ;D as if you have a lab of women somewhere and can ACTUALLY measure all this stuff….

Do you think the salmon is a good bet? Only like once a week? Or just stick with the poultry and bison/ beef / venison/ elk meat?

Haha! It doesn’t matter how much I try to watch what I eat while preggo my body goes rogue and does what it wants to do!


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Is it ok to keep carbs as only a small percentage of calories like just fruit/ dried fruit and oatmeal? As in the dairy (milk/ yogurt), beans and nuts/ nut butters that have some carbs in them have alone or with a little bit of carb (i.e. sugar in the baked beans/ tea w the date syrup) and then eat the meat, cheese, and eggs with fruit, dried fruit, or oatmeal. I just add the coconut oil and butter into stuff wherever I can for lower fat items like oatmeal eggs and beans. I know this is not a low carb diet just want to make sure that is enough carbs coming in.


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I would love to have that ability, or even just to do a very straightforward thing where I do simple blood tests on people, or give them some very simple supplement, one at a time, to see what happened. All swaying studies are SO ridiculously complicated that it's almost as if they're trying not to come up with any obvious and clear cut answers (which, that very well may be as most of them are selling something).

Salmon is great, I'd keep it to 2x a week (I like everyone to stick with no more than twice a week on fish due to the potential for mercury contamination)

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I read a bit where exposure to hubby’s semen is good for raising hormone levels but how would one start that now without risking getting preggo if one hasn’t had their 1st pp cycle yet? Ovulation strips and just test before dtd?

Did you see the study where women with higher blood pressure conceive more sons?

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Also could I use raw whole milk and yogurt? There is a local dairy by me.


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So far I’m doing
Oats with whole yogurt
Tea 4 bags w date syrup and cream or whole milk
Almonds/ walnuts/ pumpkin seeds/ pistachios and dried fruit and an apple
2-4 Eggs, coconut water and broccoli or cauliflower
Matcha w date syrup and whole milk or cream
Cheese
Cashews
Red meat with dinner of veggies and salad
Berries and peanut butter

1 calcium tab
1 omega 500mg
1 women’s one a day prenatal
1 probiotic
1200 mg folic acid

How are we looking? I’m suspicious of matcha bc I haven’t seen many blue sweaters use it and read somewhere it may mess up your cycle?


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Is it ok to keep carbs as only a small percentage of calories like just fruit/ dried fruit and oatmeal? As in the dairy (milk/ yogurt), beans and nuts/ nut butters that have some carbs in them have alone or with a little bit of carb (i.e. sugar in the baked beans/ tea w the date syrup) and then eat the meat, cheese, and eggs with fruit, dried fruit, or oatmeal. I just add the coconut oil and butter into stuff wherever I can for lower fat items like oatmeal eggs and beans. I know this is not a low carb diet just want to make sure that is enough carbs coming in.


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As long as you're having at least SOME carbs with meals and snacks. Even something like sweet flavored salad dressing like thousand island or ketchup on meat that is enough. Beans and nuts have both protein and a fair bit of carbs in them so they count as both. Dairy foods I think it's best to count them as protein and then have a small amount of carbs to add to them as full fat dairy is lower in carbs.

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I read a bit where exposure to hubby’s semen is good for raising hormone levels but how would one start that now without risking getting preggo if one hasn’t had their 1st pp cycle yet? Ovulation strips and just test before dtd?

Did you see the study where women with higher blood pressure conceive more sons?

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Many of us with all boys actually just use fertility awareness AS our birth control. So we are just monitoring our cycles somewhat (you do not need to temp and track or anything, just be aware of when you're fertile) and then use birth control or pull out during our fertile period. My husband and I have used that method for decades and so we're always having unprotected sex out of the fertile window and being careful when I'm close to ovulation.

So you'd just have sex early and late in the month and avoid the middle, but just be aware it's easier if you're having regular cycles to do this.

Yes, I've seen that study before. Having high blood pressure really is not what sways. It's the underlying REASON for the high blood pressure - whether that is PCO-tendencies or dietary factors (eating more meat, possibly?) or body mass or even having anxious, control freak tendencies. Or some other thing we aren't even guessing at just yet.

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Also could I use raw whole milk and yogurt? There is a local dairy by me.


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If you'd like, but in most cases that would not be fortified and there is always the possibility of communicable disease with raw milk (that's not a criticism, just a possibility!)

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Looks fab to me!

The main reason why people haven't used matcha is simply because it's sort of "newfangled" for many people. I find most blue swayers are VERY limited, un-experimental eaters and aren't super into trying things like kombucha, matcha, kefir, etc. (there's a minority who do eat these things but they're also often highly restrictive eaters at the same time, vegans, vegetarians, or people who eat very healthy foods)

Green tea of any sort has the potential to mess with cycles. While some sites claim this is due to "caffeine" it really seems to be something in green tea and not black tea or coffee. I would not avoid matcha because of that. If it were to happen we'd just dial it back some on your intake.

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I just read where erm… drinking your husband’s “special sauce” helps the body do its thing and I sent it to my husband he said “KEEP READING THAT FORUM!” [emoji38]
We usually do pull out method it’s worked so far except the three times we didn’t [emoji1407] [emoji3175] [emoji1407] I just don’t know when I’m going to ovulate the first one so I’ll use the strips then I guess?
Yeah the dairy thing has me a little uneasy as to the possibility of diseases… it’s raw [emoji51] probably a bad idea before ttc

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Ok. I like everything and do drink kombucha but not homemade- the tasty kind with juice in it. Trying to eat a wide variety of things now, and actually love to try all different foods. The HE diet is quite liberating. I feel bad for people on the LE diet [emoji23]


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Today
Huge bowl of Oats and whole yogurt
Tea w half and half and date syrup
Apple nuts and seeds and dried fruit
4 eggs in a ton of coconut oil
Broccoli
Coconut water
Cashews
Avocado
Matcha w half and half and date syrup
Eggplant (lol the vegetable… although probably both kinds [emoji38])
Salad baked beans and some elk
Berries and peanut butter
Vitamins
The only
Vitamin I added was vitamin D


Rode 4 horses today plus chores and did stretching… still sore from weight lifting on Sunday!


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yes, you can use the strips or fertility monitor to see if you're getting close. Or, if it makes you too nervous, you can always just skip that step. That having been said, we've seen WAY more accidental conceptions with people trying to skip it and then getting carried away, than those who were deliberately trying to have sex out of the fertile window (I think because the former group just wasn't paying attention to what was going on).

Yep that's the thing, it's a risk for probably little to no benefit so I'd not go that route personally unless you really believe it to be beneficial.

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Ok. I like everything and do drink kombucha but not homemade- the tasty kind with juice in it. Trying to eat a wide variety of things now, and actually love to try all different foods. The HE diet is quite liberating. I feel bad for people on the LE diet [emoji23]


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That is perfect! Keep up the good work!

Many people do find the HE Diet challenging because they're light eaters normally. We all just tend to want to stick with what we're used to!

Diet looks spot on. If you need to drop anything, let it be the dried fruit as you don't need dried fruit in addition to the carbs in the apple and the nuts/seeds.

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So far I haven’t gained any weight but if I need to I could drop it or sub in a protein for the dried fruit. It is goji berries, black and white mulberries (no added sugar) are those ok or too weird? I’m trying to keep it lots of variety but not TOO weird in case some of the weird stuff has megadoses of stuff in it!


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It's fine to continue if you like them. It's just that due to old holdovers from the "mineral diets" people treat dry fruit as a MUST HAVE for blue, and it is just basically pure sugar. So anyone having trouble gaining too much weight and eating dried fruit, it's not necessary and is a really easy thing to drop (esp. if you're eating nuts, seeds, or apple instead as that's all carbs). Fine to continue, and goji berry and mulberry should be good!

The only thing you need to worry about with megadoses is fortified foods and vitamins. Our bodies are great at taking just what they need from food, it's only when we take it in a highly concentrated form we have issues.

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Ok good to know. I only have about 1/4c which I think is around 100 cals. I’m just trying to hold steady on weight not gain or lose. But if I need to up my protein I could sub in those cals for something else, but wanted to add in whatever benefit from the nutrients in those berries too.
Did the ovulation strip last night so we could dtd without pullout [emoji23] of course negative as baby is only 7 months. I just don’t want to get preg till she is at least 11/12 months old.
It’s starting to get hot and sunny here so trying to get out in the sun as much as possible!


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2/3 scrambled eggs
Giant bowl of oatmeal
Tea / cream / date syrup
Pistachios
Cucumbers/ cheese / carrots/ hummus
Black eyed peas
Matcha / whole milk / date syrup
Sweet potato/ baked beans/ veggies w butter
Salad
Black bean brownie
Peanut butter
I didn’t get meat today but tried to keep the protein and fat up

Supplements same but got methyl folate instead of folic acid
Outside riding and doing farm chores


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Perfect, that's fine!! As long as you're not looking for something to cut to prevent weight loss it's all good to continue with a little dried fruit. It's just that so many people think they MUST eat it when they really don't have to, and it is very very calorically dense.

In addition to the OPK strips be on the lookout for any signs fertility is returning - increased libido, EWCM, ovulation pain (which can come even 7-10 days before O) and if you're noticing anything like that be sure to use protection even if OPK is negative. False neg on OPK are possible!

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Totally fine to miss a day on meat!! I did that with some frequency when I got my boys but was always eating some other protein food - eggs, dairy, beans, nuts - instead.

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Oh I will be mindful of that! And be sure to keep my HE diet going strong in case we have an oopsie!!!

Oatmeal and Greek whole yogurt and a few dried berries
Tea date syrup and cream
A few mixed nuts
Eggs green veggies and a drink of coconut water and a bit of sweet potato
Matcha date syrup in whole milk
Couple nuts
Little bit of chicken, asparagus, beets, green beans in bacon grease and salad w cheese
Going to try to fit in some peanut butter and berries
Vit D/ probiotic/ prenatal/ 1 calcium/ folic acid

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Tea/syrup/ cream
Oats/ Yogurt
Nuts/ seeds
Broccoli/ eggs/ apple
Matcha/ milk
Couple nuts
Salad/ cheese
Couple bites of eggplant parm
Venison
Peanut butter and berries

Same supplements
Hopefully not getting too repetitive, dinner I try to be a little more diverse at least [emoji2372]


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No as long as you're happy with it and are eating a wide array of foods (including healthy fats) and protein + carbs at every meal and snack, it's all good.

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Tea/ cream/ syrup
Oats/ yog/ almonds
Cheese/ eggs in coconut oil/ broc/ peas/ swt peps
Salmon/ sweet potato/ Brussels sprouts and salad w nuts/ lentils - everything cooked in coconut oil and grassfed butter
Berries and a bit of peanut butter
Wt 144


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Tea/ cream/ date syrup
Oats/ almonds/ seeds
Cheese/ fruit
Beans/ butternut squash/ cauliflower
Matcha/ milk/ date syrup
Asparagus/ Chicken/ Salad/ butternut squash
berries peanut butter
Vit D/ prenatal/ omega/ folic acid/ probiotic


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Tea/ date syrup/ milk
Eggs in coconut oil/melon
Apple/ nuts
Butternut squash chili
Milk/ matcha/ date syrup
Pistachios
Beans/ salad/ salmon
Peanut butter/ berries
Wt 144
D/ probiotic/ prenatal/ cal/ folate
Weights today in addition to normal riding/ farm work
Ordered a book called the respect effect about mothering boys to give me direction with my soon to be 3 yo as he grows and God willing my next boy. It made me realize even more what a treasure sons are.


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Tea/ milk / date syrup
Oats/ Wmg yog
Nuts/ dk choc
Cheese/ cauliflower
Matcha/ milk/ date syrup
Salmon & venison pad thai
Salad
Berries and nut butter
Supplements

Tea/ milk/ date syrup
Oats/ wmg yog
Brussels sprouts/ 4 eggs/ pear
Match / milk/ syrup
Nuts/ cheese/ dk choc
Few bites of homemade pizza
Salad w more cheese
cookie made w cashew flour
Berries / peanut butter
Supplements/ 20 mins of 10lb Weights

The teas I’m using at least a cup and a half of whole milk and also adding coconut milk in the afternoon. Not keeping a good log of calories but weight is staying the same and always looking for protein and lots of good fats and then a little bit of carbs. Sometimes feel hungry (and eat) but never starving. Only grain I’m eating is oatmeal hope that’s ok, and still EBF 7mo DD throughout the day and night so no signs of cycle return yet which is good.

Also having a couple cups of “so delicious “ organic unsweetened coconut milk is that one ok? I just don’t want to be drinking 4 cups of dairy milk a day but if the coconut milk is not a good idea I can cut it out!

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Why do you not want to be drinking four cups of milk a day?

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I just didn’t know if that was too much of one thing?
I’m also eating whole milk Greek yogurt/ kefir and cheese nearly every day. Is that too much dairy?

Tea/ date syrup/ milk
Oats/ yog
Apple/ cheese/ 2 eggs/ broccoli
Tea/ date syrup/ coconut milk
Cabbage/ beef/ sweet potato/ salad
Blueberries/ chocolate/ peanut butter
Supps

Tea/ date syrup/ milk
2 eggs in butter/ melon
Pistachios/ almonds/ cashews
cheese/ cauliflower/ chocolate
Matcha/ milk/ date syrup/ gelatin
Salad/ beans/ chicken/ cheese berries
Supps

Tea/ syrup/ milk
Oat/ yog
Nuts
3 eggs/ grapefruit/ broccoli/ baked beans
Matcha/ gelatin/ date syrup/ milk & coconut milk
Veggies and dips
Chicken/ baked beans/ salad/ cake ice cream/ berries/ kefir
Supps

Unfortunately, I love food and once I start eating for the day I like to keep snacking and going and going. Like a pig!
I’ve been doing weights 3 days/ week in addition to daily 2/3 horses ridden plus farm chores. I will add in 2 more days once I get a bit stronger I was just too sore after to be any good for anything!
Also we are just dtd unprotected every 2/3 days I am checking strips to be cautious but I don’t think they’re that reliable so I suppose we are playing with fire [emoji23]

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No, it's fine to have 4 or more servings of dairy daily. The limitations on dairy intake come from (probably misguided) concerns over heart disease, which will be way down the line in terms of things you should worry about in the here and now because that takes decades - and a lot of OTHER bad lifestyle choices aside from dairy - to develop.

We have seen a high number of opposites in women hitting the milk replacers the hardest (I think because they're getting a lot of Omega 6 vegetable fats which are in the milk replacers, although the So Delicious one is just pure coconut and is the best option if you choose to go that route). I do think it's best to stick with dairy. If you want to use the coconut milk I'd stick to 1 serving a day, and that brand only as some of the other ones do have added veg oil. (and coconut milk, like the kind that is for cooking, is fine, as is coconut oil)

Absolutely fine to be limiting grains. Grains (and sugary treats) are what cause blue swayers to gain massively and while they're ok for a sway to eat them, it's equally fine to keep them limited as long as you're getting small amounts of carbs with every meal and snack like we already talked about.

No need to log cals or anything, you're doing great. The tracking stuff is more important for pink swayers and for blue swayers who either are prone to gaining weight or else are those who want to keep their cal intake absolutely minimal to prevent gaining weight LOL.

Also just be keeping an eye out for any signs and symptoms of your fertility returning. Most of us will see some changes in terms of feeling more "randy" as Austin Powers would say, increased CM, ovulation pains, breast tenderness coming back before we are fertile and at that point you should start paying closer attention and possibly even using protection if you're not ready to start trying yet.

Everything looking fabulous! Keep it up!

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Alright, I’ll stick to dairy milk. I bought a full case of coconut milk from Costco ( So delicious organic unsweetened) so if you think it’s ok I’ll add that to my matcha in addition to the cups of dairy milk for some extra saturated fat without many cals. Not doing any other milk replacers absolutely not. That’s how I got my last girl! Just thought coconut milk may be good for extra saturated fat. I can always wean off of so much dairy AFTER giving birth (re heart health or whatever…) Also I have gained 6 lbs [emoji23] I think it’s my body getting used to everything. I cut out the dried fruit right after you had mentioned it so I don’t think that’s it. I think next is to cut the date syrup since I’m having oats anyways. And just use a little in afternoon matcha. But also it is hard to say if I actually gained 6 pounds or not since my weight can fluctuate anywhere between 140 and 146.
I don’t mind getting preg soon but if you think that it is better to wait then I’ll wait. Baby will be 8 months soon. I’m almost 35 so better sooner than later but not if it’s a big sway pink. I know I can have babies after 35 but really afraid of genetic problems after 4 of my close friends and relatives had genetic problems with their last babies and they were over 35. On the flip side, if it’s REALLY too pink friendly and you just don’t want me to chance it too close I’ll happily wait. What’s another 6 months? Better than having a girl and THEN AFTER THAT STILL having to try for another boy at what, 38?? [emoji23]


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Yes absolutely a serving (or even two really) a day is fine as long as you're still getting lots of other animal-based fats.

We do seem to find better results after at least a year gap between kiddos. For reasons I don't understand, there is a large group of blue swayers who are wanting very small age gaps between kids (I have a massive thread on it here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-boy/57710-blue-swayers-why.html?highlight=blue+swayers) and I think it's best to wait possibly even till 18 months. If that doesn't work for you, of course we just sway in other ways! no one's sway is ideal and we all have things that are just non-negotiable, and that is fine!

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I remember reading that thread and being like “oh sh*t that’s totally me!!” My reason is that this baby is soooo super easy and also I want a small age gap between my kids, especially if this one is a boy between him and my son who is about to be 3 so they are close. I also think that when people have older girls they already have a lot of help, at least that’s true for me. My oldest is almost 6 and she helps with the baby constantly. She is “her” baby!
One year or after is IDEAL for me and what I’m aiming for, but dtd unprotected it could happen sooner no matter how much I watch for fertility signs. I am testing with a strip before we dtd every time I know they’re not that reliable but it could be at least somewhat helpful. It doesn’t help that DH is always very very interested in dtd and knows how to get me in the mood (playing on the floor with the kids/ changing diapers/ cleaning/ plus being a tall muscular man **swoon**) so it’s hard to tell when I’m actually Randy or have been wooed into being Randy [emoji1787]
He is not riding a bike or doing any cardio just a few push ups every day. And he’s back eating meat and dairy and taking his mens one a day.


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Hmm, that's a good point - could it be that older sisters are better helpers than boys are?? I hadn't considered that aspect! My daughter, despite being the youngest, is MUCH more helpful around the house (and thoughtful of things I need, etc.) Thanks, I'll add that to the list of possibilities!

When you do test, be sure to be testing not right before DTD but after lunch each day. This is because that's when the hormone in your urine peaks, and so you'll know at that time if you're surging. I'm worried you may miss the positive if you're testing at night and may have surged, and will DTD unbeknownst to them that they're surging!!

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Oh and if your husband is always ready and raring, that's a great sign for a blue sway. Some of our blue swayers don't have that working for them and it's harder to get in the number of attempts we like to see. :)

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Oh great to know about testing! I’ll do that because
I’d really like to wait at least a year to be less pink swaying and also when I nurse during pregnancy my nips get so sensitive and I want to keep nursing her as long as possible!
Yes oh wow are girls so helpful and motherly too. She is a huge help at 5 she can “watch” her 2 yo brother and 7 month old sister and entertain them! Also keeps me abreast of danger/ poop etc. She is a great help. My boy is very sweet and loving and no drama but he definitely does not understand danger and is a daredevil to the max. Like climbing trees and jumping off of the top of fences and driving his 4 wheeler onto car trailers… if I had 2 of him I’d be DONE! His older sister has for sure kept him alive so far [emoji23] Me and my horse friends always joke you can’t have just colts you have to have mare to watch them for you!!
Oh yes hubby is always ready to go! And all 3 of mine were one hit wonders in case that helps our case. He is really looking forward to another baby even more so than any time before but isn’t rushing me, just last two times he was so busy growing the family business that he was too hyped on that to focus on anything else. Now he is much more relaxed and making a lot more money doing a lot less footwork now he just bosses everyone around [emoji23]
I have been trying to do weights and standing row machine 30 mins every 2 days but I was getting so sore between that and riding 2 hours/ day you think I am exercising too much? Probably just not stretching enough? I want to get the muscle mass on! Channeling my inner Arnold…

[atomic sagebrush]

That is what I say about our third boy all the time - if he'dve been our first, he would have been our last! (not really but kinda LOL) Great kid but very high maintenance - and interestingly, he was the one I was inadvertently swaying the bluest with - and I worked on a farm then so doing very much the same sort of exercise you are! Even our first son was pretty wild and crazy - I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong with him, but he was just very active. #2 was SUPER mellow and #4 was somewhere in between.

Let's give it another day in between the workouts. So make it every 3 days, twice a week, and see how you get on with that. We do make exceptions for people who have super active jobs (and like I mentioned above, when I got pregnant with DS 3 I worked at a dog kennel and farm doing very much the type of chores you do, for 4 and sometimes even as much as 6 hours a day...so even if you have to give the exercise up, you're still doing a LOT of the type of activity that may sway blue for you.)

It is very normal to feel soreness after working out though. That's just your muscles growing, but it CAN interfere with your ability to do day to day stuff and we don't want that. Let's try to find a happy medium where you're not dying and are still getting some training in on the muscles you don't use day to day.

[Thefinalcountdown]

Lol!! It’s crazy I used to run 10+ miles a day AND do a full hour of p90x or crossfit 6 days a week, do tough mudders and sling 50lb bags of feed like they were nothing! Used to be so muscular and fit! Now after three kids and old age I’m getting sore working out 4 days for 1/2 hour!!!!


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[atomic sagebrush]

I hear that - this winter I sprained my wrist crocheting too much LOL!! o.O

[Thefinalcountdown]

So this seems like splitting hairs but is cottage cheese and yogurt ok if the ingredients list also have nonfat milk? They’re both labeled “whole milk”.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes those usually have some "nonfat" added for stabilizers but as long as it says "whole" on the label, and has like 5% milkfat or thereabouts it's all good.

[Thefinalcountdown]

Tea/ syrup/ milk
Oats/ yog
Nuts
Cheese/ apple
3 eggs/ broccoli/ beans/dk choc
Matcha/ syrup/ gelatin/ milk/ coconut milk
Beets/ green beans/ beef w cabbage and tomatoes in coconut oil/ Salad
Berries
Supps/ standing rower
Tea/ date syrup / milk
Oats/ yog
Almonds/ pistachios
2 eggs/ cheese/ cauliflower/ grapefruit/ dk choc
Matcha/ coconut and reg milk/
gelatin / date syrup
Chili (elk meat & beans)/ swt potato skins/ salad
Berries and cashews
Supps/ weights
Tea/ date syrup/ milk
Oats/ yog
2 eggs/ cauliflower/ grapefruit
Matcha/ gelatin/ dsyrup/ milks
Nuts/ seeds
Salad/ baked beans/ chuck roast/ green beans
Berries/ nut butter
Supps


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[Thefinalcountdown]

Tea/ date syrup/ milk
Oats/ wm kefir
Nuts/ 2 eggs/ cauliflower/ spaghetti squash/ 1/3 clif bar
Matcha/ gelatin/ milks/ syrup
Venison/ chili/ broccoli/ guac/ onions & mushrooms in butter
Salad/ berries
Supps
Same amount of farm work. Lots of sun
Tea/ date syrup/ milk
Kefir/ oats/ pistachios/ almonds/ cashews
1/2 peanut butter/ oat/ coconut bar
Brussels sprouts/ cauliflower / cottage cheese/ apple
Matcha/ syrup/ milks / gelatin
Venison/ swt potato/ salad/ lentils
Berries / peanut butter
Supps
Weights today 1/2 hour

Too many eggs? I figured 2-3 / day was good. What’s thoughts on gelatin since it’s not a “food”? I know you can make jello etc but just wondering if it’s ok as I’m really suspicious of non food items. I drink lots of powders and gallons of almond milk with my girls! None with my boy only ate real foods. I’m going to cut down on date syrup in my teas since I eat oatmeal anyways so I can use those cals for animal fat and protein. I did weight and wasn’t cripplingly sore the next day [emoji23] so I’ll add in a day a week. Plus have the normal farm work but that’s not cardio just lifting and riding and steady movement.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Nope, not at all. I often ate 2 eggs every day when I was TTC my boys.

Gelatin/Jello is fine. It has a lot of amino acids in it so it's believed to be a building block of protein and in turn, muscle.

Your exercise rate is great! Keep doing what works for YOU above all else.

[Isabellinhapm]

Tea/ syrup/ milk
Oats/ yog
Nuts
Cheese/ apple
3 eggs/ broccoli/ beans/dk choc
Matcha/ syrup/ gelatin/ milk/ coconut milk
Beets/ green beans/ beef w cabbage and tomatoes in coconut oil/ Salad
Berries
Supps/ standing rower
Tea/ date syrup / milk
Oats/ yog
Almonds/ pistachios
2 eggs/ cheese/ cauliflower/ grapefruit/ dk choc
Matcha/ coconut and reg milk/
gelatin / date syrup
Chili (elk meat & beans)/ swt potato skins/ salad
Berries and cashews
Supps/ weights
Tea/ date syrup/ milk
Oats/ yog
2 eggs/ cauliflower/ grapefruit
Matcha/ gelatin/ dsyrup/ milks
Nuts/ seeds
Salad/ baked beans/ chuck roast/ green beans
Berries/ nut butter
Supps


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Hi Thefinalcountdown congratulations on your beautiful baby boy [emoji170] I’ve read your entire thread and writing down all your meals [emoji28] not too sure if we’re going to go for another baby yet but I’m already getting my research done [emoji3526]


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