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[afya1]

Hey Atomic,

Just wanted to make sure we are doing our attempts properly. This morning I got my peak on the CB and positive opk strip too. So far we have BD’d
Every 2 days since AF and we have done O-2, and O-1 (just last night) and now we will try the night of +opk and the should I aim for the following morning or night? I wasn’t sure if tomorrow night would be too far out. Also, when can can we start the every other day. We really need 3 attempts once we get a +opk right?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes absolutely if you can get in an attempt morning, night, or both, that would be great. Generally speaking, the night after the first positive OPK will still be in the window of opportunity, but if it's possible to get in with a morning attempt even better. I would not get too wound up over that, though. Just have an attempt when it's possible, you're already in with really good attempts.

No, you don't have to have 3 attempts after positive OPK. You should have three in the fertile window. Many people are still hung up on Shettles, and THEY want to wait till pos OPK for the three attempts, but you don't need to do that - 3 in the fertile window is what we're after.

[afya1]

Hey Atomic,

I think we’re done with our attempts, I feel like it’s going to be a bunch of failed attempts.
We dtd around 12am midnight and around 5am I got a +opk, ( I’m really hoping the late night attempt has us covered for or at least close to +opk) all of our attempts were fairly late night.

last night DH was exhausted due to other reasons we never dtd. This morning we managed to do it, which is the morning after a +opk. Not sure if there was any point now. So far our attempts are O-4, O-2, O-1, morning after +opk.
Continue to do every other day?


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[afya1]

Yes absolutely if you can get in an attempt morning, night, or both, that would be great. Generally speaking, the night after the first positive OPK will still be in the window of opportunity, but if it's possible to get in with a morning attempt even better. I would not get too wound up over that, though. Just have an attempt when it's possible, you're already in with really good attempts.

No, you don't have to have 3 attempts after positive OPK. You should have three in the fertile window. Many people are still hung up on Shettles, and THEY want to wait till pos OPK for the three attempts, but you don't need to do that - 3 in the fertile window is what we're after.

What days are considered to be within the fertile window would mean the days leading upto +opk?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Have an attempt tonight and again tomorrow, and THEN go to every other day. That way if ovulation is a bit later than you expect, you're still covered.

ABSOLUTELY there was a point to doing the morning after the OPK. Have another one tonight. It takes an average of 36 hours after first positive to O, so you were still well in that window.

[atomic sagebrush]

What days are considered to be within the fertile window would mean the days leading upto +opk?


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O-4 is a bit iffy but you never know, since you may O early it can be a good day to attempt
O-3 (lower chances than O-2 and O-1, but still a good day since you may O early and it is in the fertile window)
O-2 (best chances, some people will get pos OPK this day)
O-1 (best chances, most people will get pos OPK this day)
O Day (lower chances than O-1 and 2, better than O-3 tho great day to have attempt, particularly early in that day. This is 1-2 days after the first positive OPK usually)
O+1 (technically not in fertile window, but SO MANY people ovulate later than they think, it's a great way to stay covered)
O+2 (if there's any doubt you've ovulated, go for this one too)

then we have you go to every other day for a few rounds just in case of delayed O.

[afya1]

Thank you Atomic. DH has to go out later evening I don’t think we can make it for tonight [emoji37]. So all these attempts you mentioned are good for swaying, or for those Ttc in general?
Ideally I want to increase my chances of conceiving..


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[atomic sagebrush]

Well, I wasn't saying you had to have attempts all those days. You asked me what days were in the fertile window and that's the question I was answering.

Everything that boosts fertility sways blue, so it is both good for conception and for fertility to have lots of sex on the days of the fertile window. The most important days to have attempts are O-1 and O-2 (which it sounds to me like you did) O-3 and O Day may help a little bit, but O-1 and 2 are the heavy hitters. O-4 and O+1 are more of a "just in case" since sometimes people ovulate sooner or later than they expect.

[afya1]

Ohh Atomic, I’m sorry I might have confused you, No ofc, I know you were answering my question. My apologies if I confused you.. I was a little worried on the BD-ing attempts we made. But I guess I’ll have to wait. Thank you much for the extra info you gave, for our next months attempt I’ll try my best for us to have more attempts in the fertile window.
Really appreciate your help and honesty [emoji3590][emoji3590]


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[atomic sagebrush]

No not at all, no worries. It's just that I thought you might be getting confused since I was answering hypothetical questions, that you might have thought I intended to apply to your case.

I do think you have every chance at conceiving this month! It's just that I simply can't tell anyone when they Oed or if attempts were too soon or too late - when the egg drops is beyond my ability to know. :)

[afya1]

I completely agree with you! [emoji3526] I feel DH my have ran out of fuel near towards the end.

Ok sooooo I know I know the apps are BS lol but I only ever take pics to keep track of the tests, since my 3 yr old has a decency of rummaging my bathroom lol. From what I see, and please correct me if I’m wrong CD 13 Evening time that opk seems pretty positive right? Or would you say CD 14 (the am) is positive? The Clearblue opk also gave me a peak reading on CD 14 (am)



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[atomic sagebrush]

I agree I think CD 14 was the first positive (or at the least, so close that it would have been time to start attempts at that time.) I suspect that had you tested mid-day, you'd have got a darker positive on CD 14 and would for sure have been positive at that time. So in this case, I'dve definitely tried to have attempt CD 14, CD 15 morning and night, CD 16, and then go to every other day after that.

[afya1]

Soo we had attempts on late evening of CD12 (O-2) late evening around midnight on CD 13 (O-1) and unfortunately DH and I couldn’t on the day of +opk which was CD14. I am hoping that our close to Midnight BD on CD 13 has us covered or close enough to +opk day.

However we DTD on CD 15am O+1 and and another on CD16


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[atomic sagebrush]

I think that's all good! Yes I think both your CD 13 and CD 15 have a good chance, CD 12 will only help, and CD 16 will have you covered in case you O later than you think.

[afya1]

Thank you Atomic for your countless advice and tips through out the years. I started using this forum ever since I was 23! I learned so much with all your information and and hard efforts. It’s always been so informative, as far as I know you’ve always been someone part of my Ttc journey! Well I can just hope for the best now, there’s always another month.

Though I think since my miscarriage it’s taking me a little longer to conceive. I’m not sure if that’s got anything to do with it.. could be my age, currently 32 yrs old!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Aww, thank you!!! If I was able to help you in some way, that's fabulous!! I'm thrilled that we've been "together" for so long. It's truly been my pleasure!

Anything is possible (there is a very small number of people who really do have very premature ovarian failure) but the odds are sky high that a 32 year old will get pregnant very easily. It just hasn't happened yet for some reason, but I would bet that it will very soon!!!!

[afya1]

Atomic your advice was so valuable and it’s always stuck with me. It’s always made sense and made it easier to figure certain things out.

So I am about 14dpo CD28 tested 3 times with FRER. All negative not even a faint line ( I tested 9dpo, 11 dpo and 13dpo) I got a positive OPK on CD 14. With my previous pregnancies I’ve got BFPs at 10 and 12DPO. AF is suppose to arrive today or tomorrow. Nor am I getting my usual AF symptoms. Ever since 10 dpo Ive felt lightheaded, fatigue. It’s a sudden feeling of hunger and the need to eat accompanied with this nausea.. I feel this even after I eat. Not sure what to think, I’m even thinking maybe it’s low blood sugar or blood pressure. It’s just started this week, don’t know if it’s a coincidence.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Sometimes the hormone change around that time can cause migraines, nausea, and just a general feeling of being unwell. (I have absolutely had this at times). If it continues or worsens you might want to get it checked out if it could be low blood pressure, but it will likely be relieved by AF arriving. :)

[afya1]

Yes. I’m hoping the same, I’d rather AF arrives and then there’s no guessing game. Really don’t want to be symptom spotting. So I went to the Drs, I got my blood pressure, sugar levels checked everything seems fine. He did suggest I have bloodwork done for Anemia. He also suggested I wait another 2 days and if periods don’t arrive to re-test. It could be just an off cycle where my hormones are acting up.

If my periods arrive later than my normal range which is about 28-30 days cycle. Would this mean I ovulated later?

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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes that's exactly what it means. Your period comes 12-14 days after ovulation, so you would have to count back to find out when you ovulated.