BD'ing E4D + peak opk

[Pinkbow]

Hi @atomic sagebrush

We have been BD'ing e4d, we BD last night with a "high" opk and I woke this morning to my peak, is that good?
Should I throw another attempt or just continue E4D pattern.

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[atomic sagebrush]

It all depends on what you want - if you want best odds of pink, just continue with e4d, if you want better odds of conception and are ok with possibly somewhat lowered chances of pink, have another attempt at positive OPK. :) Good luck!

[Pinkbow]

Thank you @atomic sagebrush ideally I'd like to get pregnant this round as my due date over the next couple of cycles I have big events on.

I woke up to a much stronger peak line on my OPK strip and a peak clueblue digital - see attached pic (top test is this morning). I had a lot of cramping yesterday afternoon and more discharge which was a lot like EWCM.

My next BD is not until tomorrow on potential O day which means Ive done 0-3 & O and I'm worried I've missed my window. Would doing BD today harm my sway alot or do you feel confident with sticking to tomorrow's (e4d pattern)?43615

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[atomic sagebrush]

Oh sorry I only just now spotted this.

It's your choice. For a better chance of conception you'd have another attempt. For best odds of pink stay with the attempt you had for now and have your next attempt on schedule. If you really can't make up your mind, flip a coin and do what the coin tells you.

[Pinkbow]

Thanks @atomic sagebrush We just kept it at e4d. Would doing it at O hurt my chances of pink?

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[atomic sagebrush]

Nope. Timing doesn't sway a bit!

[Pinkbow]

Thanks Atomic! So the boys swimmers aren't the faster swimmers? when you say timing doesn't matter, They won't get to the egg first if you BD on O day?

So we continued just BDing every 4 days, I ended up getting another peak the next day and BD and I felt I ovulated the following day.

I am 7dpo and I've been really dizzy and have had achy lower back and hips, metallic taste, increased hunger, constipation and sore boobs so I thought I'd just take a pregnancy test knowing it was far too early to see anything but I got this as soon as I picked it up after the 3mim alarm
Could this be right at 7dpo?! It is so red! I took my trusty strip too and I can see a faint line on that aswell.43620

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[atomic sagebrush]

No. That's been completely debunked - X and Y sperm live the same length of time, swim the same speed, and are about the same size. Nearly 60 years ago - that's older than me even LOL - Dr. Shettles looked thru a microscope and saw some large, slow sperm that lived a long time, and some small, fast sperm that died quickly. He WRONGFULLY (and we know 100% he was wrong and mistaken on this) decided, with absolutely no evidence to prove it, that the big sperm were X and the small ones were Y. But they were in fact dormant (hibernating) and capacitated (ready to fertilize an egg) sperm of BOTH GENDERS - some of the big ones were Y sperm and some of the small ones were X.

And even though we now have the technology to know that beyond a doubt, this theory just will not go away, because it's seemingly so "pretty" and perfect that many people just WANT it to be true. But wanting something to be true because it seems like it "should be", doesn't make something actually be true.

Dr. Shettles died 20 years ago, he was very old and had not done any science in the public eye for some time prior to that, and everyone promoting his methods and selling books with his name for the last 30+ years is capitalizing on his name to sell something he was simply wrong about. Timing simply doesn't work, it doesn't sway, it's by far the most studied element of gender swaying and if there was anything to it, it would be completely proven by now. for every study that claims it works, there are 5 others showing it doesn't or that "it works the opposite" or whatever. If it worked, these studies would all be in agreement! Most of us on here have 2-3-4 or even more timing opposites, myself very much included.

Could you have ovulated sooner than you think?

[Pinkbow]

Wow! That's very interesting thank you atomic!

I was testing on both CB digital and strips aswell as doing BBT.
they all had the same peak days and ov day even had my CM changed and had OV symptoms.
I'm getting alot of symptoms and my BBT has shot up.
I just took another preg test and it's definitely darker.

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[atomic sagebrush]

If you'd like a fuller explanation I do have my timing debunking here (but you may need to use a different browser than Tapatalk, as Tapatalk doesn't always open links on forums correctly) https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

AWESOME!! Huge congrats!

[Pinkbow]

Thank you Atomic! I am definitely pregnant and getting darker each day! Fingers crossed this sticks!

I am taking folate but I'd like to change to my Elevit multivitamin folic acid. How can I safely transition over?

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[atomic sagebrush]

How much folic is in the Elevit?

How much folate are you taking now?

[Pinkbow]

800ųg in elevit
800mcg in my folate


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[atomic sagebrush]

Why were you taking folate to start with? Was it a medical reason?

[Pinkbow]

It was due to multiple losses, which was discovered to be not genetical or chromosomal issues. It was just an incase of measure yourself and my GP suggested.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Ok, thanks for refreshing my memory. In that case you need to continue the folate. You need it thru the entire first trimester as that's when the neural tube is forming.

So you will either need to continue on with the 800 mcg folate and then add the Elevit TO that (so you'd be taking 1600 mcg, thru the first tri, then at the end of the first tri gradually wean off by spacing doses further and further out till down to one per week, then drop, should take about 3 weeks so start it at say 11 weeks and you'll be done by 14 weeks) OR you can find a prenatal that has that same amount of folate or a bit more.

DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT, just switch the folate for the folic acid. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT, drop down to a lower level of folate (so if you find a prenatal that has say 400 mcg you can't just trade one for the other.) You need to continue at the same level of folate till the end of the first tri and then wean off.

[Pinkbow]

Thank you so much atomic!
just to confirm - so wean down until taking 1 tablet a week is just the folate? And continue taking Elevit everyday?

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[Pinkbow]

I'm trying to find another folate 800 mcg as mine has become hard to get in Aus. I came across this foltae which I thought was good but does this mean it has over half folic?

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[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much atomic!
just to confirm - so wean down until taking 1 tablet a week is just the folate? And continue taking Elevit everyday?

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Ok. I am not sure we're understanding each other and this is extremely important, so I will try to be extra clear, forgive me if this seems repetitive.

1) You must continue taking your folate at whatever dose you are taking now, till the end of the first trimester. I was assuming you've been taking 800 mcg but now that I reread this I am no longer sure what your dose is. Only at that point is it safe to wean off to the amount in a prenatal, because the neural tube is formed. The end of the first trimester is 12 weeks, so if you'd like you can start weaning say at 11 weeks and then you'll be off it by about 14 weeks.

2)If you have no choice but to use Elevit with the folic acid, (instead of finding a prenatal with folate instead) you can add that in in ADDITION to the folate. I do not want you to stop the folate till the end of the first trimester. It is not good enough to just take folate till conception, you must take it till the neural tube is closed which is the end of the first trimester. Then at that point you would continue with Elevit till birth.

3)Another option would be to continue folate till the end of the first tri, and then add in some different multivitamin that isn't strictly a prenatal, that doesn't have folic acid in it (even if it's a men's vitamin, which sometimes don't have folic acid, and then you add an additional iron pill as men's vitamins don't generally have iron.) That way you can continue the folate without having

4)Depending on your dose, it's ok to add MORE folic acid to the mix (continue with folate but then add more folic acid) since you don't have a proven MTHFR mutation. But I would not lower your folate intake and expect to make up for that with folic acid, I want you at the same dose or more folate. Even up to 2000 mcg total is not uncommon, 1600 if you are indeed taking 800 mcg folate now is fine.

5) The most important nutrient in any prenatal is that folate. We don't want you to go from getting a good amount of folate to switching over to folic acid. While they are somewhat the same, the folate is much easier for your body to use and for a small group of people, folic acid can even be harmful to their unborn baby. Even though we're just doing this as a sort of "just in case" thing, we don't want to mess around with you switching until that neural tube is closed, and don't want to mess around at all ever with you switching suddenly. So even though I know it's surprising to hear it's safer for you to have continued taking just folate without a prenatal at all than to just simply drop folate for the Elevit with folic acid!!! If we can't find a remedy any other place we can always just have you take folate, then add in an iron supp and Vitamin D, possibly iodine if you need that, and roll with that. But I'm hoping that these options have given you a possible course of action.

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm trying to find another folate 800 mcg as mine has become hard to get in Aus. I came across this foltae which I thought was good but does this mean it has over half folic?

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Yes, it does, it's best to use one that 's just the folate if possible.

[Pinkbow]

Sorry Atomic to create more work for you, I missread.

I definitely want to continue taking folate throughout the entire pregnancy, I thought elevit was enough I now understand that is just not true.
I don't need to go to Elevit I just did with my other pregnancies and my nails were stronger on it, my hair was shinier just physically saw benefits on it but happy to not take that to get benefits else where.

If I find one with say 1000mcg of folate is that okay? I'm just struggling to find atleast 800mcg folate here in Aus.

Yes I have been on 800mcg folate.


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[atomic sagebrush]

No not at all, this is something I like to go the extra mile to be sure you guys understand as it can be risky to not use our best caution with the folic/folate thing.

Just to be absolutely clear - you MUST NOT take the higher amount of folate or folic acid thru your entire pregnancy. At the end of the first trimester, between 11-14 weeks you'll need to gradually wean back to the amount in a prenatal (and 800 or even 1000 mcg folate is believed ok, it's just if you end up taking more than that, we don't want to continute that thru the second and third tri as it's no longer needed and ~may~ be linked to an increased risk of asthma, and maybe even autism. Though that's folic acid, not folate, and in only some people, we don't like taking chances we don't need to)

So yes, going up to 1000 mcg folate is fine, as is sticking with 800 mcg folate. Just don't suddenly drop down or switch over from folate to folic acid all at one go.

If your hair got better on Elevit it was the nutrients and not that brand, so it's likely you'll see much the same positive changes on another similar supplement that hopefully has folate!

[Pinkbow]

Thank you for clarifying, I really appreciate it.
I found one prenatal that has my 800mcg folate but it has 1040mcg of vitamin A in it. Should I avoid this? I thought vitamin A was a no-go in pregnancy?

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[atomic sagebrush]

If it's a prenatal designed for pregnancy then it's fine. They have experts figuring this stuff out, and in most countries the term "prenatal" is used only with very narrow parameters.

There is a pretty complicated math formula used to determine the precise amount of Vitamin A depending on the type. So most formulas use 3000 mcg RAE as the cutoff for too much and that equals 10,000 IU. This would be within that limit by far. There are some exceptions, so anyone who isn't sure should do more research, but again if it's being sold as a prenatal in most countries it will be by design in the appropriate limits.

[Pinkbow]

Hi @atomic sagebrush,

Just on our thread from above about the folate...

What is the best way to wean from just my folate tablet to the prenatal (with folate)? I'm waiting until my first trimester ends.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Just start spacing out the time between doses, longer and longer till down to the amount in the prenatal alone. It should take about three weeks, and it's ok to start weaning more like 11 weeks to be off it totally by the end of the 13th week.