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atomic sagebrush
January 18th, 2011, 01:34 PM
updated 12-18-17

You "can't" carry a baby of that gender!

How many times have we heard THAT one?

For those of us with a lot of one gender and none of the other (particularly if we've had a miscarriage or two along the way) well-meaning friends and relatives may chime in with that helpful tidbit, implying that for some medical reason, it's actually IMPOSSIBLE for us to conceive or carry to term a child of our desired gender. But how true is it?

Like many old wives' tales, this actually does have a basis in fact. Some women carry certain genetic diseases, like hemophilia or Duchenne muscular dystrophy, on one of their X chromosomes. Of course, everyone has one X chromosome, but women have two - one we get from our mothers (who also have two X chromosomes, because all women are XX) and the other we get from our dads (who only have one, because all men are XY).

Your dad's X chromosome HAS to be good because they only have one of them - if your dad had a bad gene on his X chromosome he would have an X-linked disorder and be very ill or even dead! Since women are all XX, it is possible for a woman to inherit a good X from her dad, and a bad one from her mother, because when a woman has one bad X and one good X, the genetic data in the good X takes over and allows her to develop normally. A woman can be walking around perfectly fine carrying an X-linked chromosomal disorder because she has a spare X to fall back on!! However, she'll always carry the bad genetic information on her other X chromosome and can pass that down to future generations.

Until she has children, she may never even know she carries a defective X chromosome. And if she had all daughters, she still probably would never know, because females get one X from their mother, and one X from their father, so the odds are good that one or the other of these X's will be normal. Some of her daughters will carry the bad X chromosome and some won't, but none of them will develop the disease because they all got at least one good X from their fathers.

If she has sons, however, then the situation becomes more complicated. Depending on which of their mother's X chromosomes they receive, sons of a woman who carries an X-linked disease can either be perfectly fine (they received a good X from their mom and then their dad's Y chromosome) or they will have the bad X and dad's Y, and suffer from the disease. Because they only HAVE one X, they have nothing to fall back on, and they will get sick. If a woman carries one of these diseases, all her daughters will be perfectly healthy (half will be carriers) and half her sons will be healthy, statistically speaking. 3/4 of her children will not have the disease. It's really the luck of the draw which X your children will receive.

Technically, girls CAN get these genetic diseases. But in order to do so, they have to have both parents who carry the disease on their X chromosome, and since the disease will manifest itself in their father, if your husband doesn't have any X-linked disease, the odds are pretty much 100% that his X chromosome is sound and even if you are a carrier of one of these diseases, your daughters would never develop them. If he does have an X-linked disease, it's a very mild one. Otherwise he would be visibly sick or dead.

While Y-linked genetic defects do exist, they are very mild. A form of colorblindness and an excessive amount of hair on the ears are a couple of examples. If Y-linked disorders caused serious disability, men who carried them would be incapable of fathering children and the mutation would not survive to be handed down from generation to generation. The reason why X-linked diseases exist despite being severe is because females are unaffected carriers, so the genetic mutation survives from one generation to the next. Only males who inherit their mother's one bad X chromosome will ever develop the disease.

Some X-linked diseases are chronic conditions like hemophilia, where a boy can manage the disease their entire life and still have a pretty normal existence. But others cause fetal death in utero or very early on in childhood. If you have a large number of healthy daughters, and have miscarried repeatedly (even if you don't know the gender of the child), you may want to consult with a genetic counselor to rule out the possibility that you carry one of these genetic disorders.

If you are a carrier, you may see a trend in your extended family of more daughters than sons being born, or mysterious cases where a baby boy was born, had developmental delays that no one could explain and died at a young age. It's not always easy to tell, because doctors really didn't always know why people died even as little as 20 or 30 years ago and so may have attributed deaths to incorrect causes. Some of these diseases are quite rare and doctors often miss them, even still to this day.

If you see such a pattern in your family (it will be on your mother's side), even if you have only one or two daughters or all sons and have never miscarried, you also may want to consult with a geneticist. Remember that it's sheer luck which of your X chromosomes your children receive, so even if you have 5 sons and they are all healthy, if you carry an X-linked disorder, you could still pass down that gene to your next son.

Most of these diseases are extremely, extremely rare. It is very unlikely that you are a carrier, even if you have 10 daughters and no sons. And it is impossible that you have a genetic disorder that is keeping you from carrying daughters, even if you have 10 sons and no daughters, because it's NEVER impossible to carry daughters, due to girls having two X chromosomes. So when your neighbor peeks over the garden gate and tells you that you "just can't carry" girls or boys, just ignore him or her. The facts tell a different story.

Also - please read the second part of this essay "We only/don't make boys!" here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/47852-we-only-dont-make-boys.html

Lilac♥
January 18th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Yeah I've convinced myself I can't carry boys. It has to be the reason why every time I sway and get pregnant I miscarry. But no one has ever told me this, it's just something I tell myself. But there's really no family history to support it. Although I never have been tested. I'm not sure it matters at this point, seeing that if this is a 5th girl we aren't trying for a boy anymore anyways.

TTC5
March 20th, 2011, 07:13 PM
Lilac- did you sway do you mind me asking? I have 4 girls myself.

Well my Mum has had: B, G,G,G,G,B,G,B (to 4 different fathers though so kind of hard to compare with me I would say given that variable???)
My grandma had 2 of each, her Mum had 3 daughters.. her daughters have had mixed of both b and g.

TTC5
March 20th, 2011, 07:14 PM
Oh and my sister has one of each, and my aunt (mums sis) has G,B,G

atomic sagebrush
March 21st, 2011, 11:12 AM
Lilac- did you sway do you mind me asking? I have 4 girls myself.

Well my Mum has had: B, G,G,G,G,B,G,B (to 4 different fathers though so kind of hard to compare with me I would say given that variable???)
My grandma had 2 of each, her Mum had 3 daughters.. her daughters have had mixed of both b and g.

No, it's actually easy because it's the X chromosomes that matter and not the Y. It is the mother that matters, not the father. These bad genes are always on the X chromosome because if they are on the Y, men only have the one Y chromosome so if a fatal disease was on that, they would die.

I strongly suspect that since you do have many boys in the family born to many different relatives (and I'm assuming there is not a family history of boys being born ill and then dying at a very young age) that you are most likely not a carrier of one of these very rare conditions.

Princess of Pink
August 2nd, 2011, 05:23 AM
My grandmother had one boy first, lost a baby the had 2 daughters. Her children BOY - 1B1G, GIRL - 2G, GIRL - 1G2B

But all of the Girls born in that generation have had nothing but girls...and m/c. I myself have had 6 losses. I wonder if there is something genetically wrong with our boys if our losses were infact boys???

atomic sagebrush
August 5th, 2011, 02:02 PM
I'm sorry PoP but I do think in that case you should see a geneticist to rule out the possibility.

It is possible to have a healthy boy even with a genetic disorder, it just makes it that much harder.

Irishmom
March 14th, 2012, 08:51 AM
'And it is impossible if you have 10 sons and no daughters, because it's NEVER impossible to carry daughters, due to girls having two X chromosomes. So when your neighbor peeks over the garden gate and tells you that you "just can't carry" girls or boys, just ignore him or her. The facts tell a different story.'



Atomic once agan thank you for all the info you share.For years i have been playing this one over and over in my mind that i just cant carry girls. Thank you for the hope! x

Flava
March 14th, 2012, 09:43 AM
Im always thinking the same! I have 4 girls but lost 8 so maybe I lost all the boys and I can't have a healthy boy??
One of my grandma also had 4 girls but all her girls had boys and girls too. My other grandma had a boy and a girl .

atomic sagebrush
March 14th, 2012, 11:02 AM
It is possible flava, but even in women who carry a particular disorder, statistically speaking, half their boys would still be normal. It would have to be a run of really bad luck for all 8 of your losses to be boys and all to have the bad X.

Most of the time, there is at least some family history of infertility or babies that died young.

It is the family members on your mom's side that matter, not your dad's side. If your dad had a bad X to give to you, he would either not have survived himself or else would be a carrier of a very serious genetic disorder.

purplepoet20
March 19th, 2012, 11:23 AM
I used to wonder about this before I had kids.

My Mat-Grandma had GGGBGG and no one it really sure on the number of m/c. It is known for sure that she had 3 make it to 4-6mths but my grandpa believed there to be about 3-4 more. The only reason why she had 1 son is because she was on a very stricked 7mth bedrest. She ate a lot and with no exercise she gained a lot of weight. She was a person who never gained weight with pregs and would even starve for days or only eat if my grandpa was around. All of her girls were 4-5lbs at birth but her son was almost 9lbs.

My Mat-Great Grandma had GGG but it was during the depression so food was limited. I wonder if poor habits then caused something because my great-grandma was the only girl out of 9 boys.

I don't believe my mother had any m/c and my dad also thinks the same. But she had GBGGB and the boys do have some problems both have ADHD, food allergies, and other allergies. But stuff like that wouldn't cause a m/c or death. All I know is my mother conceived boys while on a high protein diet. My mother also didn't believe in gaining weight and since I was 13 when my lil bro was born I know for a fact that she didn't eat, she over exercised, and she only gained 5lbs in the last mth (after loosing 25lbs the first 8mth).

My mothers siblings have.... L-BGB, C-BBB, J (the B)-BG, J-GGG, and S-GB. My aunt C had all boys but the older 2 have very agressive anger issues and the youngest had Downs. My Aunt J had all girls but I think someone mentioned once that she had about 5 m/c.

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Everything makes me wonder if some people have genetic issues or if some just may not have enough in their diet at the time! Even if someone isn't loosing weight they are just not eating enough for a boy to make it. Thats why the HE diet is doing so well.

Myloves
March 20th, 2012, 08:24 AM
Interesting! I agree with you too.
My grandparents on my fathers side had BBBBBB, my dad being the youngest boy. Two of their boys had ADHD and another had autism (he passed away).
My mum's parents had GGGG and then they divorced and during my gran's second marriage she had her first and only boy with her second husband, even though she was convinced that she couldn't carry boys.
My parents had BBGGG, and my one of my brothers has BB. My sister has GGB and I have BBG. Funny how different family make-ups can be!

fiveboysandagirl
July 28th, 2012, 01:01 PM
Oh I LOVE this explanation. Only yesterday I had a lady tall me I must just not be able to carry daughters. It really does put the seed of doubt in my mind. Savvas in Cyprus told me the same recently when I asked him if I could not carry daughters. He also said it's just a coincidence. It's nice to be told I'm not abnormal!
xx

Shenanigans
February 16th, 2013, 11:29 AM
So good to know that I can carry a girl!! My mom had GBGB and my husband's mom had GB. His sister though had BBB, I have BBB, my older brother has BB and my younger brother has BBG. Why so many boys???

atomic sagebrush
February 16th, 2013, 12:08 PM
It may be a coincidence (even if there is nothing other than sheer dumb luck some families would have mostly boys or mostly girls) or there may have been something in your environments growing up (or even in your mother's womb) that has made you a bit more set for one over the other.

Or, it may be that you guys just all like to eat certain foods or do certain things that make you more likely to conceive one vs. the other. YOU CAN STILL CARRY A GIRL biologically. If you look at Michelle Duggar, she's had long runs of both boys and girls longer than any of your family has.

5boysandcounting
February 16th, 2013, 03:57 PM
Great info Atomic. I know genetically I should be able to carry girls but I always wondered if I could after having 5 boys. I still can't believe this one is really a girl, it will take a while to sink in!

5boysandcounting
February 16th, 2013, 03:58 PM
P.s your baby girl is so cute :)

Shenanigans
February 16th, 2013, 10:41 PM
Thanks! I have watched the Duggar's since they were first on tv and wondered if she would start having girls again after all those boys!

AKMommy
August 25th, 2014, 12:03 AM
Color blindness is an x-linked single chromosome condition. I am a carrier (my dad is colorblind), my 8 year old is color deficient. My 6 year old has shown no signs so far of having the condition.

I have a 50/50 chance of passing it on to any of my offspring. If I have any daughters, there will be a 50/50 chance that they are carriers (since my husband is not colorblind). If he was, there would be a 50/50 chance that they would be colorblind. If they weren't, they'd be carriers.


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atomic sagebrush
August 25th, 2014, 01:42 PM
Ok someone else had mentioned that and there is apparently more than one kind of colorblindness (which was why my research had uncovered it) so I left it as it was in the essay. Sorry for confusion.

atomic sagebrush
June 8th, 2018, 01:03 PM
Oh I LOVE this explanation. Only yesterday I had a lady tall me I must just not be able to carry daughters. It really does put the seed of doubt in my mind. Savvas in Cyprus told me the same recently when I asked him if I could not carry daughters. He also said it's just a coincidence. It's nice to be told I'm not abnormal!
xx

This is an old post, but to this very day Savvas still tells people this to explain the reason why his clinic has such sh-- results. It's infuriating to add insult to injury and blame his failings on his clients.

I really, really, very strongly suggest not going to Dr. Savvas.

atomic sagebrush
June 8th, 2018, 01:06 PM
Thanks! I have watched the Duggar's since they were first on tv and wondered if she would start having girls again after all those boys!

And she did, too. She had a run of 5 girls after a run of 6 boys. We have 2 in a row and start to think "OMGosh I'm doomed, I can only carry boys or girls!" But that is not how it works and I have seen people both on this site and IRL who have 2-3 of their opposite gender after 6-8 of the other (including my great-grandmother who had 2 boys after 6 girls)

Throwaway_panther
June 8th, 2018, 01:12 PM
And she did, too. She had a run of 5 girls after a run of 6 boys. We have 2 in a row and start to think "OMGosh I'm doomed, I can only carry boys or girls!" But that is not how it works and I have seen people both on this site and IRL who have 2-3 of their opposite gender after 6-8 of the other (including my great-grandmother who had 2 boys after 6 girls)

Sometimes this is the only thing that keeps me sane. That maybe by being pregnant now 10 times (gah) on top of two IVF cycles, maybe we ran through our odds of unhealthy boys lol

ElizaB
March 8th, 2020, 01:12 PM
I know this is an old thread, but there was a family in my hometown who had 12 boys 0 girls. They were actually featured in a pick up truck commercial because all the boys and the Dad (as adults) all drove the same brand of truck. Can't remember if it was Ford or Chevy.

Ironically enough, if I just looked at my own circle, it seems like most of them have "all girls" (as in 3+) or all boys (as in 3+). I know many families with 4 or more all of one sex.

atomic sagebrush
March 8th, 2020, 04:14 PM
I know this is an old thread, but there was a family in my hometown who had 12 boys 0 girls. They were actually featured in a pick up truck commercial because all the boys and the Dad (as adults) all drove the same brand of truck. Can't remember if it was Ford or Chevy.

Ironically enough, if I just looked at my own circle, it seems like most of them have "all girls" (as in 3+) or all boys (as in 3+). I know many families with 4 or more all of one sex.

I love keeping the old threads going - I'd rather have a few threads chock full of info than millions of threads for you guys to weed through!

This is a trend I see repeatedly in all different venues (including areas that have nothing to do with gender swaying.) Families that are one-gender-heavy and then the next generation has lots of the other gender. One of those things I'd definitely study if I had the resources to.

KCarina
February 22nd, 2021, 08:13 AM
Very interesting read and gives me much more confidence knowing this. The amount of people that have said to me 'you probably can't carry boys', and it really plants a seed in your head.

atomic sagebrush
February 22nd, 2021, 09:38 AM
I'm so glad you found it, KCarina! Let me know if you have any questions!

My great-grandma had SIX girls and then two boys at the end! Everyone can carry both boys and girls!