Boy sway diet check

[Boysway2022]

Hi,
I have been swaying blue for about 5 weeks now and we are TTC next month. I just want to check I am doing the right thing in regards to diet as I am reading so many different things and my head is frazzled. I’m UK based so a lot of the things you mention aren’t available here.

Breakfast- weetabix protein with full fat milk and I add a bit of sugar and have pineapple juice.
Snack - banana/ full fat yoghurt with fruit / cereal bar (I’m unsure which to have any recommendations for UK based ones ?) I found a high protein one but had soy in and read this isn’t good ? Pretzals and chicken bites (small pack high protein)
Lunch- ham salad sandwich on whole meal and tomateoes, egg sandwiches (confused if eggs are good for boys/girl sway?) jacket potatoe with beans and cheese and boiled eggs. Egg on toast with tomatoes theh usually have some type of fruit
Snacks - as above
Dinner- steak , Potatoes, veg, chilli and rice and veg, sausages and mash, chicken fajitas with rice , wraps and cheese sometimes add full fat coleslaw.
Before bed- yoghurt/ granola or fruit
Also drinking lemon water - is there any squash I can have ? I used to live on fruit squash drinks.
Vitamins - vit D, folic acid, omego 3

Exercise - I used to run a lot but I’ve stopped this and changed for weights.

Bit of background I gained a lot of weight after my daughter and lost a stone of the two stone I gained this year. Is this going to effect my sway? I have done the diet for 5 weeks and gained back 2-3 pounds . I wanted to get to a healthier weight then build on the boy diet. I’m usually a snacker and don’t eat often often having just crisps for lunch and I was at my slimiest with my girl as I was running and eating much less as I do find this boy diet hard as I’m naturally a person who doesn’t eat as much but after my girl was born I stopped running and started eating chocolate and snacks and gained a lot of weight after I stopped breastfeeding too! So wanted to lose some and then decided to sway.

In regards to attempts, with my girl we did it 5-6 days in a row and not any other time in the month. Shall we do 2-3 attempts all month then when solid smiley face 2 attempts on the day and one after ?

Thanks in advance !

[atomic sagebrush]

It's impossible for me to keep up to speed on all the different foods around the world. I hope you are able to see the overall theme of what the HE Diet is all about and then apply that to the foods available in your country. If you ever want me to check a particular food just let me know and I can look it up online. :)

Yes definitely avoid the soy protein if you can. Protein from real foods is much better, and barring that, whey protein is second best.

Re eggs, foods in and of themselves don't sway. I know they say that on some other sites, but if you think about it, it makes no sense. Everyone out there who has boys and girls is eating all sorts of things, not avoiding this food or that food completely, yet they still get boys and girls. Eggs are absolutely great for blue, because they are nutritious, have some protein, and aren't crazy high in fat. I like to see you guys eating eggs every day for boys, particularly if you're vegetarian. Pink swayers eat about 4-6 eggs a week. So eggs can be part of a diet for both pink and blue because the diets are very different all together.

Squash is often artificially sweetened or has a lot of sugar added. I'd rather see you have something that's 100% fruit juice or even just skip that all together because if you have extra weight, you do not

Are you not taking prenatals at all?? What is your husband taking?

You need to simply hold steady. Do not gain any more weight. Do whatever it takes - including cutting back on some of the more carby things you're eating - to stay at that weight while changing your diet in a more blue-friendly way. No crisps, limit potatoes and rice to the smallest serving you can (still have it because you need the protein plus carbs, but just stick to one serving - and serving size is often smaller than people realize), no juice/dried fruit, just focus on healthy fat, protein, and fresh fruit and veg.

Attempts - your husband should be "cleaning the pipes" either on his own or with you, every 2-4 days thru the whole cycle. Just having 2-3 rounds of sex in the off time are not enough. He needs to maximize his sperm count and in order for that he needs to be releasing regularly.

At first "peak" solid smiley have 1-2 attempts that day, 1-2 attempts the next day, one the day after to guard against delayed O, and then every other day a few times to be sure you are in with a good attempt if you ovulate later.

[Boysway2022]

Thanks for your reply!
I’ve just read my weetabix has extra protein but says plant based. Should I avoid this ? I was trying to get extra protein in and it has 12g protein vs 4g in the regular weetabix. I’m around 10 stone now and 5’1. With my girl I was under 9 stone so I have gained quite a bit but not down to swaying just eating rubbish and nkt exercising as not mjxh time haha ! Not taking any prenatal I read about pregacare. Not being great and the one you suggest we don’t have in the UK so unsure what to take. My husband isn’t taking anything expect an all round multi vitamin
Which he’s taken for years what would you suggest ? Thanks again!

[atomic sagebrush]

I looked up the Weetabix protein and it's got protein from gluten in it. That's totally fine for your sway as long as you are not sensitive to gluten.

Can you find Centrum in the UK? Centrum for women for you, and Centrum for men over 50 for him are fairly close analogs to the One a Day and that's what most of my UK swayers use.

What is the multi your husband is on?

[Boysway2022]

Yes I’ve found it online - is this good for blue sway? It has quite a
Lot of b6 which I thought swayed pink? I took b6 daily when TTC as I had a short luthal stage (8-9 days max) so was going to take b6 in my
2 week wait ? It’s just a supermarket brand a-z multivitamin-are you suggesting the mens one for him? Thanks again!

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok, can you send me a direct link to the one you're looking at?? The normal Centrum Women's only has just slightly more than 100 percent of B6. But sometimes things are sold under different names/amounts than what I am used to, and so if you're looking at a different formulation than the norm

Centrum is just a good all around vitamin without any added herbs. If you can find another product that has about 100% of the vitamins and minerals without a bunch of herbs in it, it's likely fine and I'm happy to check them for you.

Please don't take B6 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. That's very disruptive to your cycle. If your LP isn't short now there is no reason to take it beyond the amount in whatever prenatal you're taking. (honestly, it only works for a small minority of people anyway - most people who try B6 end up with not only a short LP, but also a very delayed ovulation)

That having been said, we no longer think B6 is helpful to pink. I personally got a boy while taking it for my sway, so did several other people. At the same time I concluded it swayed blue, another large swaying site also dropped it saying it was causing sway opposites. So I would not consider it sways pink at all, the real issue is that it messes up people's cycles considerably. (In fact, I can often tell what type of prenatal people are taking because their cycles go crazy, and the only difference with it is that it has a high dose of B6!)

As long as the supplement your husband is taking has about 100% of the recommended value and doesn't include a lot of herbs, that's great.

[Boysway2022]

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This is the womens one I can see is this Ok?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yep that one is fine. The one I have has 125% B6, so about the same. That is NOTHING compared to the massive doses some people are taking (instead of 2 mg, they are taking 100 or even 150 mg) so that is actually not that much B6.

[Boysway2022]

I’ve just looked at what I took.. it was 100mg!! Madness. Thanks for
Your help I will get it tomorrow ! It won’t
Let me upload the picture of my husband’s multivitamin
But it does say plant based so wondering if this isn’t good! Which ingredients are the things he needs to avoid ? are there any vitiate
That are good for him to take ? Also my LP is short it’s max 8 days once I had 9 but never get
More so is there a way of increasing without b6? I used b6 previously and it increased to 13 days and previous to that I had miscarriages. Not sure if linked .

[atomic sagebrush]

At that point it is no longer a vitamin, it's a medication and should be treated as such.

Have you ever pursued your short LP with your doctor?? It's very unusual to have such a short LP constantly, unless you have an underlying issue going on like PCOS, or if you are very thin. Are you or were you very thin when you were having this issue in the past, or on a very low fat diet, or vegan?? And how are you determining ovulation? Rather than just "band aiding" the problem with B6, which doesn't work reliably and can really delay ovulation as well, we need to figure out what is happening beneath the surface to fix that. Because if you do have severe, untreated PCOS, gaining weight for a blue sway can exacerbate that.

How many miscarriages and what was the gestation?? That can help us determine if they were caused by the short LP (more that it was a contributing factor, not necessarily the cause) or if they were unrelated. On paper, 8 day LP should be enough to conceive with, and both PCOS and being too thin can cause poor egg quality and miscarriages that are coincidental to the short LP. For a long time doctors assumed that short LP was the sole cause of losses but that's actually not the case necessarily - tho I agree 8 day LP is quite short and we'd prefer to see it get a bit longer.

[Boysway2022]

I wasn’t really thin was about 8 stone 11-9 stone on average I’m closer to 10 now. I had 2 and they were really early about a week after conception. I tracked my cycles with ovulation sticks and it’s always been short. I spoke
To the doctor about it and he was useless and didn’t even know what I was talking about. My cycles generally anything from
26-30 days and it’s usually 8 average LP and sometimes 9 and I am basing this off when I’m getting 2 lines same colour I’m counting the next day as day 1. I got the multivitamin today so have started that! Are low fat high protein yoghurts any food or is a higher fat but lower protein better ?

[atomic sagebrush]

What is your height?

So you had a positive pregnancy test how many days after ovulation??? and then you had the loss a week afterwards? Do I have that correct? If so, that is probably not related to a short LP. If you were pregnant for a week prior to the loss, then it is most likely that something just wasn't chromosomally right. If you are able to get and stay pregnant for a full week, that means that the fertilized egg was able to implant successfully and then because your body detected something was not right with the development, the pregnancy didn't continue. Most likely with short LP, you would have a positive pregnancy test for a day or possibly two or three, then have your period arrive immediately. If your LP is truly short, your lining has already started to come off by the time the fertilized egg arrives in the uterus, and it would be very difficult, if not impossible for a fertilized egg to implant and hold on for a week beyond that.

So I would definitely not take medication because it's most likely that after the second loss, the next pregnancy developed normally and that's why you had a healthy pregnancy after that. The B6 was probably just a coincidence, even if it did lengthen your LP.

But that having been said, I'm not completely sure you are having a short LP. OPK are not always a reliable way to determine when you have ovulated. It is entirely possible that you had already ovulated when the test lines were the same color, and had more like a 10 day LP, or even longer. Sometimes urine tests are much lighter than the hormone levels in your blood, and so your body can get the signal to ovulate and have ovulated before the urine test goes positive. Have you ever temp/charted or had blood tests before and after ovulation to be sure when ovulation actually happened?

It is best to have full fat dairy as often as you can! Skim dairy is terrible for blood sugar meaning that if you do have some PCOS tendencies, it will aggravate them, and for fertility if you're too thin, as well! So stick with full fat.

[Boysway2022]

I did used to temp but I haven’t recently. Is it once it’s rising it means you’ve ovulated? My temp remained high then it dropped I think before my early miscarriage. So temp only shows when you’ve ovulated doesn’t it? I think I will
Do that this cycle before we try and see the exact length !

[Boysway2022]

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Also this is the multivitamin my husband takes is this ok?

[Boysway2022]

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Also this is the multivitamin my husband takes is this ok?

Just a quick one as well now I’m taking my multivitamin is it safe to continue to take the other supplements I’m taking additional to the multivitamins 25mg (500%) of vit D, folic acid 400mg (200%) and omego 3 (which sure is fine as it’s not in the multivitamin) don’t want to overdose 😅

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes most people will see a big dip the day before or day of ovulation, then a rise after ovulation. The high temp pattern needs to hold for three days as sometimes you'll just randomly have a low or high temp, so you can't just have one low or one high temp to signify what happened.

It is totally normal to see a temp dip just prior to a miscarriage and that's more of an indication that the loss ~probably~ wasn't caused by a short LP. High temps mean progesterone is being made, and a short LP would mean that progesterone had already dropped (which is why a period comes earlier than expected). So if your temps were high, and stayed high, only to drop before a loss happened, that is a clue that your body actually was capable of making the correct hormones at the right amount to sustain a pregnancy and it was just something that wasn't quite right with the fertilized egg.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes you can continue the D, folic (I like to see blue swayers take 1600-2000 mcg folic acid while trying to conceive and then throughout the entire first trimester, at which point you should gradually wean back to the amount in a prenatal). The Omega 3 is fine to continue.

[Boysway2022]

My multivitamin has 300 and 400 in my folic acid so shall I take another folic acid tablet ? Did you see the photo
Of the multivitamin my husband is taking ? I’m unsure if it uploaded properly as it kept saying error

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I would have you take one more folic so you're taking some folic acid morning, noon, and night. That helps it be absorbed better.

Oh gosh I'm sorry I thought the photo was of a multi for you, I didn't catch the writing at the bottom. That is fine for your husband!

[Boysway2022]

Thanks so much for all your help! Sure I will be back with more questions soon 😆

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Me again! My husband has been on these shakes for ages- is this not good for blue sway? He’s always had them to get extra protein in and likes over 100 a day so has these between gym seasons.

[Boysway2022]

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This may be easier to see ingredients

[atomic sagebrush]

I am iffly on those. The pea protein and chia seed both have the potential to harm sperm health in medicinal quantities because of some chemistry in the plants themselves. It's my preference that men use whey protein if they need some sort of protein powder.

[Boysway2022]

Thanks you’re so helpful and so knowledgable ! I’ve been trying to get a night time snack in… would this yoghurt be ok with blueberries / grapes 43738

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes absolutely fabulous for blue!! When I got my 3rd and 4th boys I often ate full fat yogurt with blueberries in it!

[Boysway2022]

Thanks so much! Your effort and time doesn’t go unnoticed and thanks for all your fabulous advice ! ⭐️

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you! It's my pleasure!

[Boysway2022]

Sorry feel like I’m coming back everyday 😂😂 I’ve got 5% fat mince it’s higher in protein than the standard one is this ok because it’s reduced fat? It’s got 22g of protein per 100g so high protein but low fat. Also I’m day 18 today or
My cycle and haven’t ovulated… usually I’m around day 13-14. Do you think the new vitamins have extended it ? I remember when I took b6 before it did but this is just a small amount in the multivitamin you recommended not taking high dosages. Hope you’re having a lovely day!

[atomic sagebrush]

No not at all, I'm happy to help.

Lower fat meat is absolutely fine. It's only the lowfat dairy we try to watch out for because of the negative effects on blood sugar. Lower fat meat just has less fat, it is just a leaner blend of meat and doesn't have the negative effects that lowfat dairy has.

Hmm, I can't say, but it may be that the overall changes have had an effect. It's super common to see changes in your cycle when swaying, it usually works itself out quickly and doesn't affect your sway negatively. Let me reread your thread and see what jumps out at me.

[Boysway2022]

I never ovulate later than day 15 max and today is
Day 19… it’s been between 13-15 days for months even
On the “he” diet. It’s since starting the multivitamin I
Think but I don’t know if it’s a bad thing or if it’s ok. TTC next
Month so just monitoring this month so I can try and pinpoint
Ovulation but may prove tricky haha 😂

[atomic sagebrush]

You can ovulate late at any point in time - the diet does have a cumulative effect. It is ok to have a later O, many of our all boy moms ovulate a little late. Usually when it's vitamin-caused it takes a month or two to kick in, but anything is possible. If you want, you can try going to 3x a week instead.

In most cases it will be back to normal again in short order!

[Boysway2022]

Ended up ovulating on day 21. About 8 days later. Would you continue with all the multivitamin as normal? I’m TTC next cycle. Thanks !

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I would, it probably won't continue into the future.