90%+ FAILED GIRL Sways did THIS!

[fivebabies]

I thought I would bring this over from IG where I originally posted it a long time ago and add that I continue to look at failed sways and still see this trend....hope it helps someone out........





Ok, I have spent hours studying FAILED GIRL sways and noticed one MAJOR thing that they did. I posted 90% but its probably more than that.

Almost ALL of them did moderate to frequent release!!!!

Most of the ones that did NOT do frequent only did a 6 or 7 day abstinence which is sooooo borderline and really is in boy territory. Tamara suggests at least 7 days abstinence. The longer the better!

And almost all of these failed attempts did the girl diet hardcore. Wanted to pay attention to those that did since most people (including myself) think that diet is the most important factor.

I'm doing as much research as possible for my sway next year and found this to be a HUGE piece of the puzzle. I'm in no way saying that you can't get a girl with frequent release (lots have) but I wanted to avoid what looks to be a major common factor in failed attempts.

Thought you gals ttc pink might think that's helpful info.

Just wanted to say a BIG Thank You!!! to all the wonderful mommies that were willing to post their failed sways. We need all the info we can get!


Thoughts welcome!!!

[rainbowflower]

but did they do frequent BD or frequent release?

[purple sky]

but did they do frequent BD or frequent release?
Hmmm..My question as well..

[Cinss]

I kind of understand that, a 7 day abstainence would yeild a lot of dud sperm i guess, leaving few to run the race, and FR would yeild a smaller lot, but most of the spermies would be fresh and running the race?

[Lassie1982]

My heart has just stopped and I have a pain of dread in my stomach, literal pain.
Really?!? Truly?!?!
90% of fails???

We did FR. DH released once a day for 10 days, release only, no BD. (w*****g) He released the morning of our attempt (attempt was at lunchtime)

I'm dieting strictly (combination of LE AND FGD) and am on supps (cranberry, calc, magn, vitex, pepp tea)

Have I really completely destroyed my sway by the FR ????

I'm gonna have tears welling in a minute :(

[Lassie1982]

Still panicking.
In terms of end result what is the difference between Fr and abstinence?
I thought the end result was the same, lower sperm count. But FR is better then abstinence for older men due to sperm quality

?!?!

[sixhappysons]

So what should we be doing FR or abstinence? Please spell it out for me...

[pinkin2011]

Well there is no hope for me then either!

[4BOYS]

ummmmm OMG, total panic has set in for me also now , is it frequent BD or release that failed ?

[amari]

Well, did 90% do FR for the successes too? I have no idea, I'm just asking. We don't know all the facts here.

[nks798]

we are doing 10+ day abstinence here. DH is 25.. so I think this is our best bet. thanks for the info.. very interesting.

[Flava]

Plz ladies don't panic for sure you can get a girl with FR! I think we have to look at IG sways this way: IG diet sucks! So could it be that 90% pink sway failed because of the diet and not FR? Sure it can . Just remember how unhealthy is the IG pink sway so many girls did not even get pregnant on it for a long time so they had to keep up the diet even longer.
The LE diet is a lot safer and healthier and it's been proven that you can get a girl with all kind of BD pattern.
I sway blue and for sure I will not BD only once on top of O (like we can really tell when you O exactly by the hour anyway) IG style.

[prayforprincess]

Please DO NOT get upset ladies. Atomic will chime in when she sees this. Amari is right, there is not enough information here in the least! Flava is also right -- the IG diet is not that great. That could be a major reason! They do not limit your calories, do not limit your protein or fat. People on the IG diet eat meat nearly every night! Lamb or chicken. Do you know how much fat is in lamb?? Do you know how much protein is in both? That is healthy, nutrients. Plus they are all guzzeling milk! Taking in that much protein daily, that much nutrients from the meat and the dairy and eating a moderate calorie diet sways more boy in itself.
Atomic assured me, that the fr or abstain and how many times one dtd has a 3% if that to do with the gender outcome. Come on -- so you are saying that the majority of people with girls only dtd once after not dtd for weeks? No way! More than half the people I know with girls were ttc when they got pregnant and were dtd all the time not swaying at all. There is more to natural gender selection and it is not based on whether one does fr or abstaining -- both lower the sperm count. And truly, it is maternal condition that sways and not the sperm! The sperm determines the gender, yes -- but maternal condition is behind why one or the other is able to penetrate the egg. You can have 100 sperm in there or 10,000,000 sperm in there -- the ratio will still be roughly 50/50. The odds of conceiving both are the same. Maternal condition is the primary thing will help determine whether it is he xx or xy that succeed, regardless of the amount of each that are present! You can have more boy sperm than girl sperm up there with the egg but your body will be more inclined to choose the girl sperm if that is what it knows it can handle, grow and develop at the time.

I think you need to look into those girls diets is more like it as to why their sway failed.
I bet everyone was on IG diet, eating chicken and/or lamb, not counting their calories, not counting their fat in ratio to calories, not limiting their protein, eating more than 2 times a day, taking high doses of calcium (and did their calcium have vitamin D in it?), magnesium and cranberry (which has vitamin C in it). Do I need to go on?
IG diet has not limitations -- some people have the smarts to limit themselves, others just eat those "Magic foods" and have no limits. Atomic is the first person to admit that she had a failed sway taking all those supplements that IG recommended.
I'm sorry its just not fair to come onto GD and tell all these women that their sway is now bound to fail based on a personal analysis of IG's failed swayer's when everyone who is here is here because we realize and acknowledge IG's old school methods and inaccuracies in their diet and sway method.

[atomic sagebrush]

My heart has just stopped and I have a pain of dread in my stomach, literal pain.
Really?!? Truly?!?!
90% of fails???

We did FR. DH released once a day for 10 days, release only, no BD. (w*****g) He released the morning of our attempt (attempt was at lunchtime)

I'm dieting strictly (combination of LE AND FGD) and am on supps (cranberry, calc, magn, vitex, pepp tea)

Have I really completely destroyed my sway by the FR ????

I'm gonna have tears welling in a minute :(

Lassie, please know that I would NEVER EVER EVER tell you do to anything that I felt would compromise a sway in ANY WAY.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ah yes, about every 3 months someone digs up this post and everyone panics over it so no worries 5 babies, people are seeing it. :) I have answered this before in great depth but can't find it, if anyone has more than 10 seconds this morning and wants to look it up, that would be great because I have a lot to do this am.

Moderate frequent release and FR that is less than 7-10 days is NOT FREQUENT RELEASE. So if you have any results where the people skipped days, or did less than 7-10 days, those sways do not reflect in any way upon the effectiveness of FR. If they did FR a lot with release inside and then did not use a lot of jelly, antihistamine, etc and had CM, that can also sway blue because there will be plenty of surviving sperm on scene. Virtually everyone on this site uses antihistamine, jelly, J and D in addition to doing FR (all of which kill sperm with probably much greater effectiveness than abstain, which actually INCREASES sperm numbers overall, but so many are yucky that fewer healthy sperm are on hand to fertilize the egg).

You can't simply pick out one of these things because it's the whole package that does the swaying, not one factor in isolation. So unless you look at all these things in concert, the data really doesn't mean much.

On IG, everyone is TOLD to do abstain. Most people do it or at least start off doing it. So when you see any sway where someone is doing FR, that can mean a couple of different things. It can mean they went on for a really long time not getting pregnant and had to drop some stuff (which they should not be beaten up or humilated for BTW) or it can mean that they weren't doing that intense a sway to begin with for personal reasons (like their husband wouldn't do abstain) that may not be true for other people (which they also should not be raked over the coals for.)

If your husband won't do abstain which many won't, then it is out of a person's control anyway (and I wonder how many of the husbands who told their wives they were doing abstain, actually were?) or is over 35 and especially over 40, you SHOULDN'T do abstain anyway. NO ONE should do abstain for longer than 14 days and for Tamara to even imply that 30 months of abstain would be good, even jokingly, or that people over 35 should check their husband's sperm to see if it was ok when the DNA damage that causes birth defects would be totally invisible to the naked eye and certainly to the untrained naked eye, or claim that abstain can't alter DNA when it CAN and we have several studies proven that abstain makes inferior sperm, well...I won't even go there. :(

I could go around writing a big post that says "90% of all people who did THIS each month didn't get pregnant!" for abstain and scare people who did abstain with the horror stories of the Mature Mamas group on IG none of whom had babies (but many of whom had miscarriages) until they dropped abstain and tell them aobut how some of those girls still do not have babies now 4 years later because of all the time they wasted trying to do abstain and that they are now infertile due to age, but the fact is that without a side by side, scientific study with all variables controlled, I would not have any evidence as to whether that was true or not and would NOT present it as this scientific number with percentages. All I can say is that I have not seen good results at all whatsoever for abstain with couples over 35 and if you cannot get pg with a viable baby, you have no chance at your DG.

The fact is that in actual scientific studies, diet alone has had up to 80% effectiveness and most people walking around TTC who are doing neither FR or abstain for conceiving and are just BD whenever the mood strikes them and getting 50-50. So if the implication is that FR vs. abstain is making the difference between failed vs. successful sways, I really really strongly disagree with that.

I am not holding a gun to anyone's head and making them use FR if they don't want to, it's just that doing FR in concert with an overall sway, I well and truly believe, will help people get pg sooner with healthier sperm and sways pink by reducing overall sperm numbers. NO ONE much over 35 should do abstain anyway.

[atomic sagebrush]

Not only that but I also think I need to point out that most if not all, failed BLUE sway was moving heaven and hell not to do anything even remotely approaching abstain OR FR. They were BD every 2-4 days in perfect boy frequency, doing boy diet and supps and pH stuff and still got girls regardless, which I believe is pretty strong evidence that you can get a girl doing boy frequency and that frequency patterns just can't sway that much.

[atomic sagebrush]

we are doing 10+ day abstinence here. DH is 25.. so I think this is our best bet. thanks for the info.. very interesting.

At 25, I agree that you should do abstain. Most people are not 25 and need options.

[atomic sagebrush]

Still panicking.
In terms of end result what is the difference between Fr and abstinence?
I thought the end result was the same, lower sperm count. But FR is better then abstinence for older men due to sperm quality

?!?!

The result is totally the same. Lower sperm count. We have a studies that show the sperm count is lowered with both abstain and FR and since you will probably be doing other things to sway, the sperm count will be even lower because many sperm will die before ever reaching the egg.

[lobella2]

I am having a girl and I had a boy bd pattern of every other day. I think that diet is much more important.

[dramabird]

Ah yes, about every 3 months someone digs up this post and everyone panics over it so no worries 5 babies, people are seeing it. :) I have answered this before in great depth but can't find it, if anyone has more than 10 seconds this morning and wants to look it up, that would be great because I have a lot to do this am.

Here's what I found from you back in September or so, Atomic:

Moderate release WILL sway blue.

We have no way of knowing how this person defined "frequent release". Was it really 7-10 days of release every single day or did the people she's mentioning skip days here and there?? That's not frequent release. She also does not mention the % of people who did FR and DID get their DG.

For frequent release you must have your husband release every day once and even twice, for 7-10 days. And if you don't do that, it isn't frequent release and in a lot of guys, will sway blue.

Tamara does not like frequent release, and so a lot of people feel like they need to back her up on that. Which is fine.

The reason why I don't love abstaining is not because it doesn't work, because it DOES. It's because there has been a small but statistically significant link between birth defects and long abstaining in guys over 35, and also because if you're doing a lot of other things to sway, it may be impossible to get pg doing long abstains. Like, I could make a post that said something like, "90% of the people who did long abstains didn't get pregnant" but I have no way of proving that. If you don't get pg, you have no shot at your DG.

Personally, I find it a little ridiculous to assume that anyone who doesn't abstain for 14 days will not conceive a girl. Most couples BD a hell of a lot more than that, esp. when they're TTC. So of most of the billions of girls and women walking around on the face of the planet, it is highly likely that most of them were not conceived via 14 day abstain.

[Flava]

I have to say I would be very scared of getting pregnant with a sick sperm and have a baby with problems because of abst.
I also believe that the diet is way more important then BD pattern.
And just because you have low count that does not =girl! Just like some1 posted last week I guess that a woman got pregnant twice after the husband got the V and the doc said the V worked because he had no sperm count! It doesn't get any lower count than that, right? But guess what both time they got a baby BOY!
So makes me think we better do the diet best we can. I really have all my hope in this diet.

[zanacal]

Please don't read this and panic ladies - read the informative and well argued information on this site and do what you feel comfortable with and what works best for you! Both abstinence and frequent lower sperm count and both have advantages and disadvantages. Your time would be better spent reading the various essays and studies on the site and forming your own opinion.

I conceived my girl with (very!) frequent release after 3 boys. I hope that reassures those of you worrying!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks Drama!! :)

[myGirl]

Here are some members who conceived girls using "frequent release" or "frequent BD." None of them mentioned abstaining at all (this is just a few I found this morning, I did not look through all the pages of attempts):

happyheart
lena
Tweedledeedum
zanacal
isobellanext
Inglewood (twin girls!)
GlitterGirl


The type of statistic OP mentions is misleading. It's similar to me coming on here and saying that 90% of failed pink sways used a low-sodium diet. Does anyone believe a low sodium diet sways blue? Of course not, but it could still be in 90% of failed pink sways.

[fivebabies]

Oh holy cow...I had no idea this would start this. I truly apologize ladies! :( I didn't have very many responses the only other time I posted it on IG. The first time yes it was all the sways posted at IG but have continued to read sways here and noticed the same.

I did already say that I in NO WAY meant that you can't concieve a girl with frequent release (not frequent dtd) many people have! And I did say that I think that diet is the #1 most important sway factor. :)

I was simply studying the failed sways for my own use and was shocked at what I was finding. If I am going to sway I want to avoid what I found to be in MANY of the failed sways. I have 3 boys and 1 girl and guess what happened the one time I concieved a girl?.....yup we had abstained due to sickness for over a week (that never happens).

I am honestly and truly so very sorry for freaking anyone out! It was not my intention. I was only trying to help. I have never posted such a thing here before nor had I found this info on here. I was trying to help. I'm really sorry and will refrain from posting any further findings. Good luck to all.

[Blund]

My question is frequent BD or frequent release?? I was going for abstain and BD once at 0+12. But if we go for frequent, does that mean frequent release and one attempt at 0+12 OR frequent BD before, under and after O??? Or frequent release and BD once how many days before O???

[Lassie1982]

Lassie, please know that I would NEVER EVER EVER tell you do to anything that I felt would compromise a sway in ANY WAY.

I know Atomic! :flowerz: Your advice is always backed up by a ton of research and thorough investigation so i have no hesitance in trusting the info you provide :wink:

It doesnt take much for me to hit panic mode! Having read it all again with a rational mind and discovering more about IG and their ways the panic mode has finished :)

Thanks to everyone for their responses on this!

[Hobbermittens]

I have 2 girls. I did not sway for either, and both were the result of a one time BD. Both were "oops" babies, and I can promise that DH was releasing daily (as is his habit, has always been) at the time they were both conceived. I would count that as FR, right? I just thought I would throw that out there; don't know if that helps or not.

[Princess of Pink]

I have conceived girls with daily FR, every 2nd day release, every 3rd day release....but never abstaining lol

DH has never gone more than 3 days without some kind of release!!

[prayforprincess]

fivebabies -- you most likely conceived a girl because of illness, not because of abstaining. Abstaining on its own is not enough to sway the odds in favor of a girl.

Again it is maternal condition that sways. The dh's sperm count, when you dtd and how much really plays such a minor roll in the whole scheme of things. PH level cannot kill the boys sperm -- it cannot. Nothing can Kill the xy sperm. We hope -- slow them down, but these are things that have not been 100% proven.
Many women dtd and do not fr or abstain and have girls. One of my sister-in-law's has 2 girls and 2 boys -- she had a 5th pregnancy which was a girl as well but failed at 20 weeks. For each attempt she dtd every other day. Nothing different, just every other day. And she had a mix.
Mother nature is not going to base gender selection on when or how often a couple dtd, neither truly on how high/low the man's sperm count is. There is no base behind that, no thought or theory. It is based on much more complex things that we are only beginning to touch upon -- all of which are based on maternal condition....her diet, her clucose, her strength, her hormone's.
We swayers HOPE that lowering sperm count using either fr or abstaining helps sway girl -- but again it is still not proven! I think if you base your sway on logic and science you will see that stressing over little things that we "think" may help our sway is not worthwhile, and we need to focus on what we KNOW works.
Because even if your dh did not abstain, did abstain, fr or did not fr just as he really should have -- in every shot there are still boys swimming up there. If you abstain for 14 days, there are still boys in his semen -- its not as thought by abstaining you killed them all and he's only shooting girls. If that was the case then the mystery of human gender selection would have been discovered an awfully long time ago and we ladies would not be on the crazy diets we are starving ourselves for nothing. It has little to do with the man and much more to do with the women -- after all mother nature realizes that it is the women who raise the children so she needs to be well equipped both physically and physiologically for the long road ahead. I would be willing to bet you take a group of physically and mentally strong, healthy and very well nourished women, have their dh's abstain for 10 days and only dtd once -- and most those ladies will have boys, not girls.

[fivebabies]

I'm sorry that no one found it helpful. It has totally changed my swaying plans.

Go ahead and just delete the thread atomic.....no point in getting anyone all worked up.

Sorry.

Prayingforprincess~ I wasn't ill...my boys were so there was no dtd at all and DH doesn't *ahem* help himself out.

And I don't have anything against science but there is still something to be said for experience. that's why I was looking at what lots of different women have already done and how it turned out.

And for what it's worth, I don't really think that swaying does much at all. But when looking at literally hundreds of failed sways and seeing that so many of them did FR has to make one wonder. ;)

[Flava]

fivebabies- don't feel bad! And no one need to delete this thread this in not IG...
I also think just go ahead and post whatever you want because it is actually good to talk about all sway related things! I like to read everything it is interesting.
And one thing is sure ppl get girls with all kind of pattern so I hope this long abst. will work out for you and you get a girl.

[fivebabies]

Thanks Flava, I actually feel like crying right now. (Doesn't help that AF is here) I really didn't mean to upset anyone and I'm really surprised that no one else finds it insanely interesting. 90%?....that's a crazy coincidence!!!

[Wishing4Princess]

Thanks Flava, I actually feel like crying right now. (Doesn't help that AF is here) I really didn't mean to upset anyone and I really surprised that no one else finds it insanely interesting. 90%?....that's a crazy coincidence!!!

Don't feel bad Fivebabies! I know that your intention was to help everyone out! and I really do appreciate somebody taking the time to do some research and do comparison. I also read the failed sways on IG..and actually found alot of the ladies did FR BDing! I always believed that ONE time DTD is key either w/ long abstain or longer FR. just my personal opinion.

[prayforprincess]

I'm sorry that no one found it helpful. It has totally changed my swaying plans.

Go ahead and just delete the thread atomic.....no point in getting anyone all worked up.

Sorry.

Prayingforprincess~ I wasn't ill...my boys were so there was no dtd at all and DH doesn't *ahem* help himself out.

And I don't have anything against science but there is still something to be said for experience. that's why I was looking at what lots of different women have already done and how it turned out.

And for what it's worth, I don't really think that swaying does much at all. But when looking at literally hundreds of failed sways and seeing that so many of them did FR has to make one wonder. ;)

Yes, and I am sure that all of them took supplements too. Could the supplements been what caused their sway to fail -- you just don't know. Could it have been the limitless amount of calories and protein they were consuming, you just don't know. You can't say it was the fr when many women have done fr and had girls. And many women have abstained and had boys. And if you abstain but then do multiple attempts, that is not abstaining. For all we know, the male body could begin to produce massive amounts of sperm post releasing after abstaining causing a very high sperm count in his next release. Many of those women (I have read the outcomes on the IG page) did multiple attempts after abstaining and still got their girls.

I am not trying to argue with you. I just hope you are basing your sway and concentrating your efforts on much more proven and known swaying methods like the proper diet, glucose levels and hormones and not relying on abstaining to make or break you sway.

[fivebabies]

Thanks Wishing4Princess! There are definitely sways that did FR and got their girls....and I'm thrilled for them!

I guess I just wanted to looks at the failed ones and NOT do what they did that didn't seem to work.

[myGirl]

Please don't feel bad fivebabies! I totally believe your intentions are good and I appreciate you sharing your insights with us. :)

In my opinion, many of the sways that yielded opposites (on this site) did not clearly state how strict they were. Some only reported frequent BD, others abstained for 3-5 days then switched to FR, still others did FR in the beginning of their cycle then BD everyday for like 4-5 days through O. I just don't think we should count those as FR failures.

There were a few that clearly stated they did FR in a textbook-perfect way and got opposites. I also counted at least 2 opposites conceived with long abstinences of 9+ days.

I just don't think it is as cut-and dried as you are saying. Overall, very few total attempts on the forum are either strict abstaining or strict frequent release. In light of that, I don't agree with you that 90% of the failed sways were done with frequent release.

[zanacal]

Thanks Flava, I actually feel like crying right now. (Doesn't help that AF is here) I really didn't mean to upset anyone and I'm really surprised that no one else finds it insanely interesting. 90%?....that's a crazy coincidence!!!

I'm sorry you're upset, I also believe that you had good intentions in posting this.

I don't feel it's possible to say x% of sways which did x/y/z failed if those people were doing other things to sway also. Unless everybody was following the same diet/exercise regime, taking the same supplements, was the same age etc. etc. then they're just not comparible. Also, we could all do exactly the same thing and have different outcomes - it's not what we do that counts but how our own bodies react to that and we're all different. For example, my DH was likely releasing every day when we conceived our boys and they were all conceived very quickly. From that I deduce that he has a high sperm count and that I need to do something different/more than daily release to lower his sperm count when swaying for a girl - abstinence isn't an option because he's over 35 and I don't like the risks and he can't abstain without nocturnal hapenings anyway! So for us personally having him release twice a day leading up to one attempt, with 3x releases within a 24 hour period before our attempt was what we decided to do. Another couple with a different starting point may find that sperm count is lowered too much to even get pregnant just by releasing once a day for 7 days so they need a different plan.

I don't even think this is a difficult decision - if DH was under 35 and willing/able then I'd try for an abstain but only give it a couple of months before switching to frequent (because the sperm may all be dead or crappy and I want to get off that diet right?!). If DH was over 35 then I'd go for frequent - just how frequent would depend what DH is prepared to do but I'd make sure it was at least 7-10 days before DTD in my fertile period.

[girlmom]

i think 5babies was just tryng to help ladies, no need to panic like this. trust me she did study her little heart out over on ig. which i know is not the same way people do things over here. she was just trying to help a little. but please know ladies a sway is not 100%. genderdreaming and ingender are full of ladies who have done very good sways and have still failed. just because you do frequent release or abstainance or stood on your head or studied the moon or sacrificed a virgin or do any of the crazy things half these various websites tell us to do doesn't mean you will get a girl anyway, we are just slightly swaying the odds in your favor. good luck ladies

[Plum3]

Like myGirl said there are probably many people who said they did strict FR or abstaining, but in reality that's probably not what actually happened. When people said FR you have to take into account that what they count as FR may not actually be 'real' FR. Therefore, the 90% most likely isn't a true reflection of failed FR sways.

[vada79]

My second boy was conceived after 12 day abstaining and was an "oops " baby also. My first boy was conceived with BD every few days. But both times my diet was very boy-friendly.

[Indira]

i think 5babies was just tryng to help ladies, no need to panic like this. trust me she did study her little heart out over on ig. which i know is not the same way people do things over here. she was just trying to help a little. but please know ladies a sway is not 100%. genderdreaming and ingender are full of ladies who have done very good sways and have still failed. just because you do frequent release or abstainance or stood on your head or studied the moon or sacrificed a virgin or do any of the crazy things half these various websites tell us to do doesn't mean you will get a girl anyway, we are just slightly swaying the odds in your favor. good luck ladies

I agree and I believe that diet is the best way to sway the odds.
Lowering sperm count does help as well, but like Zanacal said you have to look at your individual situation to see what´s the best way to lower sperm count for you. I conceived both my boys with an abstain eating in a very boy-friendly way.

[fresas]

If it helps:

DS 1 was conceived with frequent BD: at least once a day for at least 2 weeks. It probably averaged around 1.5-1.75 times a day based only on averages.

DS 2 was conceived after 2-3 weeks of abstinence, but BD four times the day of conception (we had to catch up for lost time I guess ;) ).

I think for swaying, there are so many variables that yes, maybe 90% of unsuccessful sways had frequent release, but in order for the 90% to be more accurate, what other similarities did the sways have?

If the sways had other overlaps, then basing the theory only on frequent release won't be totally accurate. If the sways had no other overlaps at all, then the 90% would be accurate.

Don't apologize for posting this! It makes for good thinking and conversation. :)

[prayforprincess]

My second boy was conceived after 12 day abstaining and was an "oops " baby also. My first boy was conceived with BD every few days. But both times my diet was very boy-friendly.

I agree! Diet just seems to be the key.
All 3 my boys were conceived differently but I have always had a boy friendly diet. It was as though I was swaying boy unknowingly.
I am sorry fivebabies -- I was not trying to jump down your throat. I know you only had good intention at heart when posting that bit of info. Its just that it is quite inaccurate and I did not want other ladies to take it as a matter of fact and believe that sways they worked so hard to accomplish and dreams they hold so dear to their heart could be shattered based on something that is neither factual or even a proven method to sway. Sperm count is NOT proven to sway, it is only thought to sway, like ph. I apologize if it appeared I was attacking. Much luck to you and your sway and may we all be blessed with our gd!

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh holy cow...I had no idea this would start this. I truly apologize ladies! :( I didn't have very many responses the only other time I posted it on IG. The first time yes it was all the sways posted at IG but have continued to read sways here and noticed the same.

I did already say that I in NO WAY meant that you can't concieve a girl with frequent release (not frequent dtd) many people have! And I did say that I think that diet is the #1 most important sway factor. :)

I was simply studying the failed sways for my own use and was shocked at what I was finding. If I am going to sway I want to avoid what I found to be in MANY of the failed sways. I have 3 boys and 1 girl and guess what happened the one time I concieved a girl?.....yup we had abstained due to sickness for over a week (that never happens).

I am honestly and truly so very sorry for freaking anyone out! It was not my intention. I was only trying to help. I have never posted such a thing here before nor had I found this info on here. I was trying to help. I'm really sorry and will refrain from posting any further findings. Good luck to all.

Please understand, I'm not trying to keep you from posting the info that you found but you must admit that the title of this post was extremely alarming to people and when people are being reduced to tears I tend to shoot first and ask questions later. Sorry if I came off snippy, all viewpoints are welcome on this site and always will be :heart:

[atomic sagebrush]

My question is frequent BD or frequent release?? I was going for abstain and BD once at 0+12. But if we go for frequent, does that mean frequent release and one attempt at 0+12 OR frequent BD before, under and after O??? Or frequent release and BD once how many days before O???

If you are doing O+12 you MUST do only one attempt!! If you want to do FR with O+12 , have DH release on his own starting 7-10 days before your planned attempt. More is fine, less is not so you may want him to start sooner rather than later and if you get an unexpected pos OPK you'll still be able to do your attempt.

[KraizyDaizy]

Oh, my what to do...what to do...? Confused and worried that I will get another boy now...

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh, my what to do...what to do...? Confused and worried that I will get another boy now...

Kraizy, I hope you read the ENTIRE thread and do not react based on this ONE post (which BTW, may I point out, has not been verified as true by anyone else on here to my knowledge.)

Saying this in all caps because I want everyone to pay attention - IF YOU ARE ON CLOMID YOU MUST NOT ABSTAIN!!! You have to do everything within your power to conceive fast on Clomid and abstaining is NOT a recipe for getting pg fast.

[KraizyDaizy]

Kraizy, I hope you read the ENTIRE thread and do not react based on this ONE post (which BTW, may I point out, has not been verified as true by anyone else on here to my knowledge.)

Saying this in all caps because I want everyone to pay attention - IF YOU ARE ON CLOMID YOU MUST NOT ABSTAIN!!! You have to do everything within your power to conceive fast on Clomid and abstaining is NOT a recipe for getting pg fast.

Thanks for reminding me. You are so right and I was planning on multiple attempts with Clomid and using no "jams or jellies" LOL! That is a good plan right?

[atomic sagebrush]

Just one more thing I feel a little obligated to add here - information is ALWAYS welcome on this site but I'm not the sort to just sit by and not argue against things that I feel are misleading. Putting it out there does mean that it's on the table and open for debate and this is especially true of things that could actually do harm to people. Wearing an ion bracelet or not...eh, I may not believe in it but whatevs. When we have people whose husbands are 43 years old and also people on Clomid considering doing abstain on the basis of ONE unverified post - I have to speak up because it's not safe.

I'm sure that the poster had good intentions in posting this, HOWEVER I have also seen many times when people who were sold on a certain sway tactic desperately attempting to find inequivocal support in favor of their sway working simply because they really wanted to believe they had found a magic bullet that would guarantee them success. (and may I just say, I am not immune to this either and I am quite sure I sometimes search specifically info that supports my viewpoints.).

Many times I have seen people with other viewpoints almost taken as a personal affronts - Sally feels that her sway using "sway factor X", is diminished somehow if Susan decides to do "sway factor Q" instead- as in, if we're not all in total agreement about what sways and what doesn't, then that indicates that any one sway factor may NOT be a magic bullet. For someone who is desperate for a guarantee that their sway will succeed, which alas there can never be, it can almost be a slap in the face to know that other people don't think "sway factor X" is a magic bullet. But there AREN'T any magic bullets, nor are there any single sway tactics that will make your sway fail 90% of the time.

First and foremost, everyone needs to do what is safe and right for themselves and their DH. NO one sway tactic in isolation succeeds or fails with 90% numbers. If you NEED a guarantee, go HT. Swaying is not a guarantee and it is not worth risking your baby's health and well being, your sanity/health/fertility, or the sanctity of your marriage over.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for reminding me. You are so right and I was planning on multiple attempts with Clomid and using no "jams or jellies" LOL! That is a good plan right?

Yes! :)

[AMY]

Wanted to add that the fertility clinic that tests sperm samples reccomends a 5-7 day abstinence. They also reccomend every 2 days release to improve sperm count ( over a longer time).
Husband has a count of 160 ! that is 8 times more than normal ( 20).:nails:

[atomic sagebrush]

Hmm...most clinics have dropped the recommendation for abstinence, unless maybe they were testing for something else??

Release every 2-4 days is perfect for blue. THIS IS NOT FREQUENT RELEASE. FR has to be every day for 7-10 days.

Your husband's sperm count is just part of the equation anyway. If your internal environment is hostile, he could shoot a kajillion sperm and so many die off that it is irrelevant.

[JacquelineB]

Maybe coming in very late, but three ladies over at IG did FR but no BDing and are having girls :)

[Tiggerian]

So do I understand this correct, a man with 'normal' sperm rate and a woman on clomid should dtd once a day with no abstaining? Use no Spermicides (KY, etc), no supps (others than folic acid) and stick to the diet only?

[atomic sagebrush]

So do I understand this correct, a man with 'normal' sperm rate and a woman on clomid should dtd once a day with no abstaining? Use no Spermicides (KY, etc), no supps (others than folic acid) and stick to the diet only?

Yes, BUT if you want to try for 1 month, two at most, with a stricter sway with some other things included and you've not already been on Clomid several other times previously, you may want to do that just to feel like you've left no stone unturned.

[wannagirl21]

This was my exact question and I haven't got an answer but glad I stumbled acroos this except I was going to abstain may I ask why you can't abstain? On Clomid.

[Atsaukina1]

so if you are doing fr, is it ok to do fr and just pull-out w/o using condom?
I planned to do fr 7 days and then an attempt(this is only 2nd pp af so not sure when O might actually come)
and he would continue fr on his trip. Also if O comes after he gets back from his trip (4 days after attempt) I was gonna do daily bd until opk was positive. wdyt???

[Atsaukina1]

bump:)

[stillwanttwomore]

Unfortuneately there is a lot more to this than what you wrote. It has to do with when the FR started and it there wa abstaining before the FR. For instance, I am having a girl, for a girl sway using FR. But I added in abstinance as well. I had my DH starting to abstain 4 days before AF, he abstain all the way thorugh Af and then once AF was done we BD everyday right through O. That was by abstaining first and the BD right after AF the old psermies would be long dead by the time I actually O'ed, I have would have nice fresh sperm but at a low count. It is all about hhow you use FR for TTC girl. I used both, and in all my years of research i believed that this method would get me the best results, and it worked.


I thought I would bring this over from IG where I originally posted it a long time ago and add that I continue to look at failed sways and still see this trend....hope it helps someone out........





Ok, I have spent hours studying FAILED GIRL sways and noticed one MAJOR thing that they did. I posted 90% but its probably more than that.

Almost ALL of them did moderate to frequent release!!!!

Most of the ones that did NOT do frequent only did a 6 or 7 day abstinence which is sooooo borderline and really is in boy territory. Tamara suggests at least 7 days abstinence. The longer the better!

And almost all of these failed attempts did the girl diet hardcore. Wanted to pay attention to those that did since most people (including myself) think that diet is the most important factor.

I'm doing as much research as possible for my sway next year and found this to be a HUGE piece of the puzzle. I'm in no way saying that you can't get a girl with frequent release (lots have) but I wanted to avoid what looks to be a major common factor in failed attempts.

Thought you gals ttc pink might think that's helpful info.

Just wanted to say a BIG Thank You!!! to all the wonderful mommies that were willing to post their failed sways. We need all the info we can get!


Thoughts welcome!!!

[fivebabies]

Um, yeah...this is a really old thread....I already had a new one ripped for it but thanks for your input.

And I'm having a girl after FR release too, so there ya go. I don't believe in swaying anyways. God gives us what we need. ;)

Atomic, maybe you can get rid of this thread. lol.

[hopingforsaskia]

Five, I have actually really enjoyed this thread! Don't worry about it! :) fwiw there's a thread done by mariposa that had tallied fr vs abstain vs clomid and it shows interesting results! :)

I think posts like this help us nut stuff out, because in explaining things several times we get clearer and clearer. :) xo

[fish2012]

five don't worry we're all friends here, it's worth highlighting things so people can make choices, but as with alot of swaying its hard to get full facts to make these choices,

at month 8 ttc my sway plan isn't what i had anticipated at the start, for some of us we're still tweaking in this balance between sway and preganancy, we cannot have our DG if we don't have a baby - quoting someone very wise ;-0, and all info is useful, all ladies on here need to weigh everything they read against their personal experiances and thier family xx

[wannagirl21]

Unfortuneately there is a lot more to this than what you wrote. It has to do with when the FR started and it there wa abstaining before the FR. For instance, I am having a girl, for a girl sway using FR. But I added in abstinance as well. I had my DH starting to abstain 4 days before AF, he abstain all the way thorugh Af and then once AF was done we BD everyday right through O. That was by abstaining first and the BD right after AF the old psermies would be long dead by the time I actually O'ed, I have would have nice fresh sperm but at a low count. It is all about hhow you use FR for TTC girl. I used both, and in all my years of research i believed that this method would get me the best results, and it worked.

Where you on Clomid?

[coocoobananas]

Fr didn't work for me and I did what tiff did so who the heck knows lol!

[stillwanttwomore]

No, I was not on Clomid, but I did sway girl though and did a ton of studying on timing and I felt this was the best method for my sway :)


Where you on Clomid?

[stillwanttwomore]

I guess I am using the wrong term, I did FR BD not just FR, I also used a vinegar douche before each BD and Acijel after!!! And i used a lot of both!!!


Fr didn't work for me and I did what tiff did so who the heck knows lol!

[mkarntz1980]

I see this thread is old havent read it all but i conceived a girl with frequent release......we always had sex, but sometimes he pulled out, the week of O he did release in me up till i got a +opk. I was also on the diet hardcore and using many jellies. I am scared to do abstinence as thats basicallly how i got my boys.

[mkarntz1980]

Tiffany me to! we had lots of sex like 16 days worth maybe skipping 2 days! but like you i using acijel and rephresh before and after also a little lime.

[Atsaukina1]

good I like the moms doing fr and bd since we gotta help our dh's out lol. he is doing fr right now but as soon as period is over we will mix in some bd(pull-out) until I get closer to O. Will also start rephresh every 3 days. Thanks for sharing everyone:)

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm not super into deleting posts, I'll just lock it ok??

PM me if that is not ok with you.