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[Juniebjones]

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[Coccinelle33]

That's me. When I don't get my sleep I am a grouchy mama.

[sweetpea]

Hmmm, that's a really good question. I am the same way.

[atomic sagebrush]

Getting less sleep tends to lower testosterone.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just to clarify, being bitchy and crabby does not necessarily translate into anything to do with your testosterone.

[sweetpea]

Interesting... I just feel like I get upset more easily, especially with the kids. That getting somewhat anger doesn't do that then? Thanks AS:).
Yes, that's how I feel too, when I don't get much sleep. I tend to lose my patience a lot more, tend to yell more, get in arguments with DH more. I thought those things would be raising my T levels.

[atomic sagebrush]

Interesting... I just feel like I get upset more easily, especially with the kids. That getting somewhat anger doesn't do that then? Thanks AS:).

no, and in Valerie Grant's book she explains in exacting detail the difference between dominance (linked to higher T) and normal day-to-day crankiness and irritability. Everyone gets angry sometimes, it's not anger that raises testosterone. In fact, being angry and feeling impotent to do anything at all about it can very much sway pink.

[Juniebjones]

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[sweetpea]

no, and in Valerie Grant's book she explains in exacting detail the difference between dominance (linked to higher T) and normal day-to-day crankiness and irritability. Everyone gets angry sometimes, it's not anger that raises testosterone. In fact, being angry and feeling impotent to do anything at all about it can very much sway pink.
This is really interesting! Even though it's beginning to become more clear to me, the whole issue of what exactly raises T levels is still confusing me a bit. Which book are you speaking of, AS? I'd like to check it out so that I can understand this a little better.

[sweetpea]

Nevermind about my question above - I just found her book on Amazon. But it's over $30 for the paperback, and over $17 for the Kindle version! Eeek! :eek:

[Ribbons]

Hi sweetpea, I have the book and have read part of it but I had to put it down because it was raising my T-levels just reading it LOL! It is definitely worth a read, but (from what I have read so far) there really isn't anything in there that atomic hasn't already laid out, so save yourself the stress :) I'm going to pick it back up after my BFP.

[Ribbons]

jj - Thanks for the Hunger Games recommendation! I have also lost a lot of sleep in the past week because I stayed up practically all night reading the trilogy and finished all three books in a record 5 days! SO GOOD!

Now I need something else fantastic to read... I didn't think about swaying at all for almost a week AND lost sleep - sounds like a winning combo! Anybody have suggestions? :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi sweetpea, I have the book and have read part of it but I had to put it down because it was raising my T-levels just reading it LOL! It is definitely worth a read, but (from what I have read so far) there really isn't anything in there that atomic hasn't already laid out, so save yourself the stress :) I'm going to pick it back up after my BFP.

It is some DRY reading too. I don't think it's worth it because you can get her studies online for free!!

[atomic sagebrush]

jj - Thanks for the Hunger Games recommendation! I have also lost a lot of sleep in the past week because I stayed up practically all night reading the trilogy and finished all three books in a record 5 days! SO GOOD!

Now I need something else fantastic to read... I didn't think about swaying at all for almost a week AND lost sleep - sounds like a winning combo! Anybody have suggestions? :)

Hey, those Game of Thrones books (the show is currently on HBO and you might have heard of it) are pretty good and will keep you going for awhile!

[Ribbons]

Thanks AS - I'll check them out!

[Coccinelle33]

See I have always been very emotional and sensitive. Im a very carefree person but I do tend to be stressed a lot with the kids and just sad and depressed lately over this whole ttc/swaying journey. I think my personalty very much fits the typical girl moms though and I have 4 boys. I also have no muscle at all. My arms and legs are so skinny. My husband on the other hand is full of testosterone and is always taking on a new challenge with his job. He feels like he's great at what he does and if he puts a lot into it he will "win"..... Im not sure what all this means for me. The only thing I can contribute to all my boys is my husband's high sperm count and high testosterone level and my eating habits. Like I said before im a big time snacker. I am a small person and have always been able to eat and not gain and love to eat!

[atomic sagebrush]

What you have to understand tho is that testosterone can be utterly divorced from personality. It is totally possible to have a supposedly boy-mom personality and have all girls (begonia) and a supposedly girl mom personality like you are saying you do MD, and have all/mostly boys. Just because there's an overall trend in that direction, you can't generalize to the individual and you really can't start breaking it down into sensitive people have girls, ball busting bitches have boys because it doesn't work like that. Hillary Clinton, Michele Obama, and Sarah Palin the lipstick wearing pitbull herself, are all/mostly girl moms! The maternal condition and overall fertility has to have its own part to play. Neither Trivers Willard nor Maternal Dominance can explain gender ratio, it has to require both of them somehow working in concert together (and blood sugar along for the ride) to explain it.

I am super sensitive too and get upset for days over things, even that happened years ago, but still have higher T levels. Only when life really really beat the T out of me WHILE I was also doing a diet, getting less sleep, and age had taken its toll did I have a girl.

[atomic sagebrush]

What you have to understand tho is that testosterone can be utterly divorced from personality. It is totally possible to have a supposedly boy-mom personality and have all girls (begonia) and a supposedly girl mom personality like you are saying you do MD, and have all/mostly boys. Just because there's an overall trend in that direction, you can't generalize to the individual and you really can't start breaking it down into sensitive people have girls, ball busting bitches have boys because it doesn't work like that. Hillary Clinton, Michele Obama, and Sarah Palin the lipstick wearing pitbull herself, are all/mostly girl moms! Princess Di had boys and Fergie (the princess, not the singer) had girls and to me they seem each like they should have had the opposite, KWIM?? The maternal condition and overall fertility has to have its own part to play. Neither Trivers Willard nor Maternal Dominance can explain gender ratio, it has to require both of them somehow working in concert together (and blood sugar along for the ride) to explain it.

I am super sensitive too and get upset for days over things, even that happened years ago, but still have higher T levels. Only when life really really beat the T out of me WHILE I was also doing a diet, getting less sleep, and age had taken its toll did I have a girl.

[Juniebjones]

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[dramabird]

jj - Thanks for the Hunger Games recommendation! I have also lost a lot of sleep in the past week because I stayed up practically all night reading the trilogy and finished all three books in a record 5 days! SO GOOD!

Now I need something else fantastic to read... I didn't think about swaying at all for almost a week AND lost sleep - sounds like a winning combo! Anybody have suggestions? :)

If you haven't happened to read the Harry Potter books, those are fantastic, of course. I also really like the Artemis Fowl books (also YA) and the His Dark Materials Trilogy. And I loved "The Time Traveler's Wife." Others I've read within the last couple of years that I really liked:
"Room" by Emma Donoghue (an utterly gripping drama)
"Cinderella Ate My Daughter" by Peggy Orenstein (non-fiction and it makes you realize there are some benefits to NOT being a girl mom)
"The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks" by Rebecca Skloot (also non-fiction)
"Under the Dome" by Stephen King (long but super good)
"World War Z" by Max Brooks (if you like zombies ... and I do!)
"My Sister's Keeper" by Jodi Piccoult

Hopefully that's at least a start. I'm kind of a freak about reading -- love it!

[Ribbons]

Thanks! Looks like I'll be busy now til my BFP!

Maybe I'll save "Cinderella Ate My Daughter" until after my gender scan... that way if it's a boy, I'll have something good to immerse myself in LOL