VITEX Time!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Hi ladies, well after careful consideration I have decided to take Vitex! I am a bit nervous about side effects. (I hope there won't be any headaches or acne.)

Feel free to comfort me with your experience! ha ha ha :D

I am currently on CD 7

I have a SUPER nurser.. prob feeding 8 times a day.

So, how much do I take? I'm going to be taking the Nature's Way 400 mg capsules.

Should I take it with my other supps
(cal, mag, b-50 complex, folic) or.. without.

Morning or night.. does it matter?

Do you take it with or without food?

Do I take 2 400 mg capsules at the same time, or twice a day.. morning and night.

The main reason I am taking it is.. I have my period every month on the 22nd day.. but when ovulation comes around I have a +opk 4-5 days in a row! In February it was 8 days of +opk! (ya, no kidding!) So I'm not sure I'm even ovulating. So I hope this will help. I am positive it will since it has helped you ladies!!! Also it seems my first positive opk doesn't happen until like CD 23.

Thank you ladies!


So hoping for a Vitex *PINK* ~*Princess*~ :)

~Butterfly

[ThroughWithBlue]

Not much help here, I just took it after reading an article about how not having periods does a lot of harm to your body, freaked a bit and took 1 pill 2x day morning and night, not at specific times just around breakfast and before bed. Only took it 10 days and I hadn't had a period in 1 year, never breastfed, and it did give me one. not one since and i never remember to take the pills and freakout is over lol. I wouldn't take more than recommended, I have Nature's Way I believe and it said 2x day 1 pills morning and night may take 8 weeks to work I believe. I don't OPK so I'm not sure if I O'ed or not, but first cycle in a year it did something.

[Coccinelle33]

when i had my second son i started taking vitex and it really helped. i was taking 3 - 400 mg. had a girl.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Thanks for sharing ladies! I popped 2 400 mg with 2 cups milk this morning. I'm thinking two in the morning.. and one at night.. haven't decided on the night one yet. :) I Feel TIRED now tho haha did it make anyone feel tired?

[atomic sagebrush]

I took one in the morning and one at night, total of 800 mg, from AF-O (and actually usually the day before O because I found this time that I would not ovulate until I stopped taking it). I used to be super careful about when I took it while BF but honestly I noticed no diff. whatsoever with either boy I took it with and gradually relaxed over time. I never started it when they were very small of course and they were getting most of their nutrients from other sources.

I didn't always take it with food and never noticed any difference. It doesn't seem to matter if you take it with other supps or not.

Got one boy and one girl while taking it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Not much help here, I just took it after reading an article about how not having periods does a lot of harm to your body, freaked a bit and took 1 pill 2x day morning and night, not at specific times just around breakfast and before bed. Only took it 10 days and I hadn't had a period in 1 year, never breastfed, and it did give me one. not one since and i never remember to take the pills and freakout is over lol. I wouldn't take more than recommended, I have Nature's Way I believe and it said 2x day 1 pills morning and night may take 8 weeks to work I believe. I don't OPK so I'm not sure if I O'ed or not, but first cycle in a year it did something.

Hmmm...I think you need to see a doc TWB. Is this related to exercise (I think you mentioned that on anotehr thread but may have been someone else). Having 1 period a year is not the best because it can be good to flush out the cells every so often.

[Butterfly Spirit]

I took one in the morning and one at night, total of 800 mg, from AF-O (and actually usually the day before O because I found this time that I would not ovulate until I stopped taking it). I used to be super careful about when I took it while BF but honestly I noticed no diff. whatsoever with either boy I took it with and gradually relaxed over time. I never started it when they were very small of course and they were getting most of their nutrients from other sources.

Ugh, thanks Atomic. my little one seems fine too. Day one was fine.. 2 in the morn and one at night.. then this morning I woke up with a slight headache and then got worse when I took the 2 in the am and it turned into slight nausea.. hormonal changes headache? This SUCKS! :( I guess I might have to take motrin to help with it. I think it will help me ovulate so I will try to stick with it. Did you have headaches or nausea?
I didn't always take it with food and never noticed any difference. It doesn't seem to matter if you take it with other supps or not.

Got one boy and one girl while taking it.

Ugh, thanks Atomic. my little one seems fine too. Day one was fine.. 2 in the morn and one at night.. then this morning I woke up with a slight headache and then got worse when I took the 2 in the am and it turned into slight nausea.. hormonal changes headache? This SUCKS! :( I guess I might have to take motrin to help with it. I think it will help me ovulate so I will try to stick with it. Did you have headaches or nausea? Didn't you get prego with twins or were you already prego with twins? I remember reading that once.

[Butterfly Spirit]

UPDATE: Atomic one other Q, I trolled the internet to find relief and I took magnesium a bit ago and I think it's starting to help. Would that mean it's stopped the effects of the vitex? Silly Q but why would it stop the headache?

[atomic sagebrush]

I never had headaches with the vitex. I think you'd need to take it more than a day or two to really affect your hormones but you may just be super sensi to it.

I did get pg with twins the first time but don't know gender becos I lost it too early, I tend to think it was a boy due to where it implanted but no way to know.

[atomic sagebrush]

Magnesium can help with headaches because it relaxes your veins and arteries and that is one of the main causes of headaches. Both tension and migraine headaches are caused by your veins and arteries tightening up (they think). I don't think it had anything to do with the vitex working or not working (the vitex may have given you a headache but the magnesium doesn't interfere with that.)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Magnesium can help with headaches because it relaxes your veins and arteries and that is one of the main causes of headaches. Both tension and migraine headaches are caused by your veins and arteries tightening up (they think). I don't think it had anything to do with the vitex working or not working (the vitex may have given you a headache but the magnesium doesn't interfere with that.)


I'm sorry again about the twin Atomic, that's so sad! :(

Thanks for sharing your experience, and yes I must be SUPER sensitive to it..yesterday I had such a bad headache I didn't take that third evening pill and today I decided not to take it and I have a lingering headache even a lot of EWCM tinged with white .. which is crazy because I'm only on day 11 of my cycle! I will try it again but I have a medical procedure tmw and I can't have any motrin so I have to wait to Fri to try Vitex again.

[rainbowflower]

maybe take it once a day before bed instead, so you sleep during the side effects?

[atomic sagebrush]

That's a good idea rainbow, and that way Butterfly, if there is anything to be gained from getting used to it you may be able to sneak into it.

[maybeoneday]

I really like Vitex as a herb (I haven't fallen pregnant yet so can't give gender input.....) I have very heavy periods and a short Luteal Phase and it has improved both of these. My Luteal phase is up from 10 to 12 days and this month my period was really quite light. I take 2 pills a day (one morning and one evening) AF-O and haven't had any adverse effects so far.

I would definately start on one pill a day as 400mg may be enough for you. You can always try adding another pill in a while if you tolerate one ok?

Good luck!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well ladies I had a very stressful day and my medical procedure was cancelled. I popped 2 vitex this morn with All my supps.. the Calcium, Mag, B-50 complex, and I didn't get a headache, a lingering one but never started up like the other day. I am in shock! Maybe that is the key! So I'm going to do that from now on.. Maybe I won't take that nightly Vitex pill and just do the 800 mg in the am. YAY! *Crosses fingers* I really want to take this supplement!!!!!! :)

[rainbowflower]

great news!! it's strange how time of day can affect things sometimes! I remember a lot of people saying their morning sickness was worse if they took certain tablets in the morning instead of the evenings

[allison]

This is my second cycle taking vitex. I take one 400mg in the morning and 400 again at night from AF to O. I haven't had any side effects, and my cycle did not change at all. The only change I have had is that for the first time in a LOOONG time, I do not have a single breakout. I wish I had started taking it a long time ago!

[Butterfly Spirit]

great news!! it's strange how time of day can affect things sometimes! I remember a lot of people saying their morning sickness was worse if they took certain tablets in the morning instead of the evenings

Yes mam, I read on the internet that it absorbs the best in the am, so I was all over that. So day 2 of no headache..YAY!!! I take the 800 mg right along with my other supps. My hubby was shocked when I told him that magnesium takes away headaches. He hasn't taken his supps in several days.. so he popped his today. He has no idea that I'm taking Vitex.. or what it does.. Oh he teeter totters so bad.. but I'm afraid this is the final decision.. SO I had to up my arsenal. Wish me luck.. I'm on my own!

[Butterfly Spirit]

This is my second cycle taking vitex. I take one 400mg in the morning and 400 again at night from AF to O. I haven't had any side effects, and my cycle did not change at all. The only change I have had is that for the first time in a LOOONG time, I do not have a single breakout. I wish I had started taking it a long time ago!

Really Allison, how wonderful! I am so glad to hear that it helps your complexion! I have heard that it can stop or make BAD breakouts. :) Lucky girl!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Be aware tho that mag can also give ya major diarrhea when you take it unexpectedly - may not be a good trade LOL.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Feeling REALLY tired today I decided to test today to see if yesterdays opk got darker! Well I got a blaring positive OPK... It's CD 15! :holysheep: (in the past years I've Oed on CD 16)!!! I'm amazed hmm I want to take a pic of it but I can't find my camera! Usually I don't have my + until day 23 AT LEAST... so.. hmm. This Vitex might just be my magic pill. This looks like my luteal phase will be longer this cycle! Here's crossing my fingers I get a chance from hubby. I will keep testing to see how long this + stays. I was so excited I just had to come tell you ladies!!!!! :running:

[rainbowflower]

go make that baby!

[Butterfly Spirit]

go make that baby!

I will TRY Rainbow! ;) Maybe I'm nuts but for safe measure used Rephresh.

[Butterfly Spirit]

I will TRY Rainbow! ;) Maybe I'm nuts but for safe measure used Rephresh.

Q though... am I using the right tube? There's only a nickel size amount in the end of it ? :)

[rainbowflower]

yeah a full application of RepHresh is only a small amount! not sure how big a nickel is - from what I remember it was about the quantity of a broadbean or maybe a little less

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

go make that baby!

K so I put on something sassy to go to bed and hubby was attracted, and he couldn't help himself! I said a prayer prior to it and he didn't even mean to go off.. he pulled out mid explosion but A LOT got in there woo hoooo!!! A chance a chance, I have a CHANCE this month!

Took another opk and it's the same color, not blaring anymore... what does that mean!? I couldn't of Oed yet right? I thought that once it's fading it means ovulation took place.. and it was my FMU Sorry I'm freakin out there haha.

[atomic sagebrush]

No, OPK are annoying because they can stay positive for days after O and they can also fade out immediately even if you haven't Oed yet. It doesn't mean anything other than the amount of LH that came out in your urine was a little less.

[Butterfly Spirit]

No, OPK are annoying because they can stay positive for days after O and they can also fade out immediately even if you haven't Oed yet. It doesn't mean anything other than the amount of LH that came out in your urine was a little less.

That's nuts! :\ So there's no way to tell if I ovulate or not? Last Fall I was going 2 days at the most positive. It's still as dark as the test line, so I don't know what the heck is going on. I still think Vitex is good though. :)

[rainbowflower]

the only ways to tell if you actually OV or not are:
temping
BFP 2 weeks later
AF 2 weeks later
ultrasounds (showing corpus luteum)
blood tests (showing progesterone rise)

temping is the one most of us go for because it's cheaper and faster



BTW, not sure if you saw my scan pics in the ultrasound forum yet!

[atomic sagebrush]

the only ways to tell if you actually OV or not are:
temping
BFP 2 weeks later
AF 2 weeks later
ultrasounds (showing corpus luteum)
blood tests (showing progesterone rise)

temping is the one most of us go for because it's cheaper and faster



BTW, not sure if you saw my scan pics in the ultrasound forum yet!

:agree: :agree: :agree: Brilliant response Rainbow!

And even with temping, you can't know until 3 days past ovulation!

OPK are not perfect, they're just one of the better tools we have and really OPK and fertility monitors are the ONLY way short of ultrasound to at least get a heads up that O is coming at some point.

[Butterfly Spirit]

the only ways to tell if you actually OV or not are:
temping
BFP 2 weeks later
AF 2 weeks later
ultrasounds (showing corpus luteum)
blood tests (showing progesterone rise)

temping is the one most of us go for because it's cheaper and faster



BTW, not sure if you saw my scan pics in the ultrasound forum yet!


Well I do get my period hehe. This morn I took an OPK dark positive still but I'll take one later in the day and see. :)
I just saw your pics! I still say GIRL~!! :)

[rainbowflower]

thank you! are you doing FR? still BDing?

[Butterfly Spirit]

He goes off almost every day. He won't BD often since it's a risk. I know one lady on here or IG had a girl and they didn't even finish their BD. Maybe it's Baby Dust. So I'm holding on to that hope! I seduced hubby today, and he doesn't think he pulled out in time.. less sperm I'd say also sways for a girl! haha

[Butterfly Spirit]

I seduced him AGAIN! and he fully went off! YAY!!! ;) But he says he won't do me anymore. haha.. we'll see.

April has to be my month!!!

K this is for whomever will answer. :) I used a whole other tube of rephresh 15 or so mins later after BD.. is that bad? Will it kill the spermies?

[atomic sagebrush]

He goes off almost every day. He won't BD often since it's a risk. I know one lady on here or IG had a girl and they didn't even finish their BD. Maybe it's Baby Dust. So I'm holding on to that hope! I seduced hubby today, and he doesn't think he pulled out in time.. less sperm I'd say also sways for a girl! haha

The lady who claims to have discovered O+12 also got pg this way. Husband did not even finish, it was from pre-e.

[atomic sagebrush]

I seduced him AGAIN! and he fully went off! YAY!!! ;) But he says he won't do me anymore. haha.. we'll see.

April has to be my month!!!

K this is for whomever will answer. :) I used a whole other tube of rephresh 15 or so mins later after BD.. is that bad? Will it kill the spermies?

It's not great or necessary, but the good news is that 15 min. later most of the sperm may have made it to the safety of the cervical crypts and if you had some CM they were being protected there.

For best odds of pg, don't use RepHresh any sooner than 8-12 hours before BD and nothing afterwards.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Ok ladies, I'm frustrated with myself. I still have that opk and the lines are the same. I'm on day 20 of my cycle and usually "ovulate" around day 23. My gut is saying stop taking the vitex until AF. So.. even though I have days of +s and I was hoping I would have a painful obvious ovulation. Could my have not stoping vitex at the first + opk have stopped O all together? I didn't even get the painful poking and aching I usually do every month on the right side. Maybe I'm ok and haven't done it yet and still will? I don't know... my my gut is screaming DON'T take it today. So I guess I won't. I was just thinking that maybe the vitex would get the eggie out but I guess just stop at fist opk no matter how many days I have +s after that.

[Butterfly Spirit]

The lady who claims to have discovered O+12 also got pg this way. Husband did not even finish, it was from pre-e.

That's so nuts to me! But I love to know that it could happen! :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Seduced hubby yet again last night (I'm trying SO hard for frequent BDing) He says he got a shot off in there.. then I snuck some that I found on the couch. lol :giggle: then this morning just some play but he didn't go off. I'm hoping for the low count sperm thing will make a girl as I know it will! I'm not sure If I ovulated or not. But the Opk is finally completely faded as of last night. YAY this is good I hope. *crosses fingers*

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, please stop the vitex at pos. opk. It can delay O for sure and some of us are finding we must stop it before O to make sure we actually O.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Yes, please stop the vitex at pos. opk. It can delay O for sure and some of us are finding we must stop it before O to make sure we actually O.

Thanks Atomic! I'm finding it to be so true! Still no O pain like usual.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey, just remember - when swaying, different does not mean BAD! :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

You are RIGHT! I was thinking that maybe Vitex was making things work completely different this cycle. I just have to go into it with no fear, because it is going to make changes. I do feel some kind of activity in my left ovary since last night.. but it's VERY mild. Then for the hell of it took another opk last night and it was near positive but back to normal this morning.
Hubby surprised me with wanting to play about 15 mins ago and then I was even more surprised when he went completely off! I'm amazed! wOw.. If I drop an egg or already dropped an egg. I think I have a pretty good chance of conception! :) And the F BD is happening pretty good too! yay! :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Hey, just remember - when swaying, different does not mean BAD! :)

Atomic, you are a GREAT lady. I'm glad you help guide me through this whole thing! I've learned so much, and I find myself wanting AF to come just so I can pop more Vitex!!!! bahaha and next month there will be no mistakes with when to stop Vitex or when to use RepHresh.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Another successful seduction and full deposit of sperm! I'm so happy! LMAO! :)


Atomic, with 6 + opks this month I'm starting to wonder if I have PCOS?

[atomic sagebrush]

Unless you have other symptoms, I'd chalk it up to the vitex. I never did OPK because my O is pretty predictable but several people have reported several pos OPK on vitex.

[bambinolla]

Unless you have other symptoms, I'd chalk it up to the vitex. I never did OPK because my O is pretty predictable but several people have reported several pos OPK on vitex.

Thanks for this, Ill keep it in mind for this month, I did take vitex last month and didnt notice a difference in the opk though.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Unless you have other symptoms, I'd chalk it up to the vitex. I never did OPK because my O is pretty predictable but several people have reported several pos OPK on vitex.

Except remember that in Feb it was 8+ in a row without Vitex. Then the cycle after that it was 5+ in a row. I am stumped.

Here's my thread: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/8503-opks-4-days-row-then.html#post150024

I talked to my hubby, he's just happy thinking I can't conceive. If I have PCOS I know that vitex has been the reported miracle to fix it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh yes, sorry it's impossible for me to keep everyone straight.

The only way to know would be to see a doctor. My first instinct would not be PCOS because the opk are all in a row, but no way to know for sure without testing.

[maybeoneday]

I seem to have the opposite problem at the moment and didn't get a positive OPK at all this month...... I either ovulated really early (CD10), missed the LH surge or didn't ovulate at all. I definately believe the change is due to the vitex though (whichever scenario is true!!) AS, would you try a break from it next month or carry on with 2 a day (am and pm)?

Thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

If you got AF, then you almost certainly ovulated.

Vitex can def. cause early ovulation too or it may have been that you just missed the surge - that happens sometimes.

The best way to know when you Oed (if you did) is to wait for AF and then count back 14 days. Not exact, but at least a ballpark figure.

I would carry on with the Vitex, I really do believe it sways pink. Many people get used to it over time and it seems to affect people's cycles differently from month to month. Just start taking your OPK a bit sooner.

[maybeoneday]

Thank you so much for your speedy response! I only have a 12 day LP, so if AF turns up tomorrrow then I ovulated really early and will start with the OPKs on CD8 next month!!! That is my gut feeling what happened and I am pretty sure there were no sperm around to fertilise the egg as was not expecting it so early! :(

Will wait and see what happens! Thanks again x

[atomic sagebrush]

If you have half a sec, update us! :) I love to have as much info for everyone for future reference as we can!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Uhm, spotting/bleeding!?!?! On the 17th. Holy sheep! LOL What's going on? I don't know if it's implantation or an early period. Atomic, thoughts? I'm not due until the 22 or 23 for AF! It's not heavy.. but it's there everytime I wipe when I woke up to pee and it's lightish red. I have had implantation bleeding with every pregnancy.. that tells me I'm prego before AF comes. It feels like light AF crampies/pressure starting so I have no idea.. I'm going to monitor it before I pop Vitex.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hmmm...I'm not totally sure! It could be implantation bleeding or it could be coming from your cervix if you've BD or checked your cervix a lot lately (are you taking cran or baby aspirin??? They can make this cervix bleeding more likely.)

FX for implantation bleeding!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

I had uncomfortable cramps yesterday and spotting.. kind of filled a pad. It's just a light period I guess? I'm usually gushing and have big clots even on day one and definitely day 2.. I'm kinda freaked out LOL maybe I should just take the vitex, but I don't know. *sigh*

[maybeoneday]

Butterfly, the Vitex made my AF really light so it could be AF (just AF the vitex way......) I normally have really heavy periods and on vitex they are MUCH lighter.

FX it is implantation but thought you might like to know.

No AF for me yet so who knows......... Will keep you posted! xx

[Irishmom]

Just jumping in to say this month was my first month on Vitex and i got positive OPK for 5 days in a row and i was temping too so from my temping chart i ov on the 5th day.It totally confused me and i ended up dtd on the 2nd day thinking it was -1 but ended up being -3. So we dtd again on 4th day which was -1.And i got my BFP after ttc for a year! So something worked out in the end.The only side effect i noticed with vitex and i took it with Saw palmetto was the usual menstrual migraine i got disappeared but once i stopped taking them on ov the migraines started again. So i dont know if it helped with my hormones in that way. Probably nothing to it but just something i noticed.Best of luck maybeoneday and butterfly spirit.xx

[atomic sagebrush]

I had uncomfortable cramps yesterday and spotting.. kind of filled a pad. It's just a light period I guess? I'm usually gushing and have big clots even on day one and definitely day 2.. I'm kinda freaked out LOL maybe I should just take the vitex, but I don't know. *sigh*

Oh boo, I'm sorry.

I wouldn't take the vitex until you're 100% sure you are not pg. (sorry I know I always mention this but) I had a perfectly normal, even heavy AF and was pg the entire time and ended up taking the vitex for 2 weeks while pg.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Oh boo, I'm sorry.

I wouldn't take the vitex until you're 100% sure you are not pg. (sorry I know I always mention this but) I had a perfectly normal, even heavy AF and was pg the entire time and ended up taking the vitex for 2 weeks while pg.
See this is why I LOVE your advice Atomic.. I'm SO scared because like I said I am not due for AF until the 22-23! Isn't it odd that AF or whatever came so early!? It's gotten pretty heavy today but I've only had a single pad all day like yesterday, so I guess you could call it medium flow . I'm just so worried..what if!?.. If I were, and I know it's possible. Many ladies on babycenter.com have had a full blown AF and were pregnant! I didn't know about your experience! Thanks for sharing. I'm now taking a few preg tests a day instead of opks. I started Vitex on CD 7 last cycle and it still worked as far as making an earlier O, as far as I know.. I Oed. haha so perhaps... even waiting until after this.. bleeding.. I will be OK :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Just jumping in to say this month was my first month on Vitex and i got positive OPK for 5 days in a row and i was temping too so from my temping chart i ov on the 5th day.It totally confused me and i ended up dtd on the 2nd day thinking it was -1 but ended up being -3. So we dtd again on 4th day which was -1.And i got my BFP after ttc for a year! So something worked out in the end.The only side effect i noticed with vitex and i took it with Saw palmetto was the usual menstrual migraine i got disappeared but once i stopped taking them on ov the migraines started again. So i dont know if it helped with my hormones in that way. Probably nothing to it but just something i noticed.Best of luck maybeoneday and butterfly spirit.xx

Oh thanks for sharing your experience Irishmom, I am so happy you are prego!!! :) I think I need a thermometer and I'll start temping on the first + opk :)
I must be going insane tonight. I took two preg tests and I swear I see ghost lines. Usually I see none, not even evaps!
I'll know something better in the morning. lol

[Butterfly Spirit]

Butterfly, the Vitex made my AF really light so it could be AF (just AF the vitex way......) I normally have really heavy periods and on vitex they are MUCH lighter.

FX it is implantation but thought you might like to know.

No AF for me yet so who knows......... Will keep you posted! xx


Thanks for your input maybesomeday! Yeah this thing is definitely not ordinary for me. I hope you are prego!!! When can you test?

[Butterfly Spirit]

The ghost lines on my cheapie tests are darker tonight (took 2 lol).. I'm on the brink of insanity.. AF was supposed to be on the 22 or 23!

[coocoobananas]

Like a pregnancy test?! Did you get what seemed like a normal af?!

[Babyy Love]

I've begun my vitex journey the day after AF left because my vitex arrived late so let's say I took it after AF-day before O and already I'm worried because I suppose I O'ed about a dayor 2 ago and I see that I have some brown spotting..am I the only 1 who this has happened to!?

[Butterfly Spirit]

Yeah, a ghost line is what I call it before it is a BFP you see a line is there just not faint pink yet. And I never get ghost lines, only stark white tests or light pink lines.
And Atomic and I were talking about how you can be prego on your period, (she was if you read down) and many ladies on baby center have confirmed it. So... It's like AF but it's not SUPER heavy like normal, nor as painful. If there's a line it should show for sure on the 22 or 25th.

I started bleeding on the 17th.. wasn't due for AF until the 22 or 23.

Anyways, I will fall over if I conceived on the first cycle of vitex.. miracle drug indeed haha!

[Butterfly Spirit]

I've begun my vitex journey the day after AF left because my vitex arrived late so let's say I took it after AF-day before O and already I'm worried because I suppose I O'ed about a dayor 2 ago and I see that I have some brown spotting..am I the only 1 who this has happened to!?

WOAH wait.. you stopped vitex right?

[Babyy Love]

WOAH wait.. you stopped vitex right?

Yes! Definitely do not want to mess up anything so next cycle I will do it AF-O it's just that I received my vitex late so I began the day after AF

[Butterfly Spirit]

Oh you are totally fine! I started on day 7 and I got my first + opk on CD 15 which usually doesn't come until CD 22! So it worked! You don't even have to take it every day.. I didn't. lol

Since I don't know what I'm going through I'm not going to pop vitex until I'm 100% sure it's safe!

[Butterfly Spirit]

WOAH wait.. you stopped vitex right?

So brown spotting? What CD was it? THAT'S exciting!!!!! :D

[Babyy Love]

Oh you are totally fine! I started on day 7 and I got my first + opk on CD 15 which usually doesn't come until CD 22! So it worked! You don't even have to take it every day.. I didn't. lol

Since I don't know what I'm going through I'm not going to pop vitex until I'm 100% sure it's safe!

I was just worried because I never spot..NEVER! So I'm like uh oh! What'd I do now!? I've done things that have changed my cycle and body (baby aspirin, boy sway without noticing, etc)

[Butterfly Spirit]

I was just worried because I never spot..NEVER! So I'm like uh oh! What'd I do now!? I've done things that have changed my cycle and body (baby aspirin, boy sway without noticing, etc)

Well that's EXCITING! It tells you that Vitex is doing something. When I spot before my period it means.. PREGO!! :)

I have heard Vitex and baby asprin can cause spotting, but I'm VERY excited for you to test! :)

[coocoobananas]

Well I was questioning my af last month as it came super early too... And I was searching the web seeing if it was implantation spotting... But it lasted 5ish days... I did take a preg test the day I would have expected af just to make sure! It just kinda peaks my interest since it looks like you might indeed be preggers!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well I was questioning my af last month as it came super early too... And I was searching the web seeing if it was implantation spotting... But it lasted 5ish days... I did take a preg test the day I would have expected af just to make sure! It just kinda peaks my interest since it looks like you might indeed be preggers!!

I am SO scared though.. I had 6+ opks this cycle and I was still taking Vitex after the first +OPK. Even like 3 days later.. BAD IDEA! :(

But anyway, I know I'm going insane! LOL

Are you taking Vitex too?
Have you taken a test since?

[coocoobananas]

No I haven't taken a test since as I assume that I am somewhat in my 2ww... But actually I never got a +opk this round just faint lines... So wasn't sure if I ov early too?! I have no idea!! Lol

[Babyy Love]

Well that's EXCITING! It tells you that Vitex is doing something. When I spot before my period it means.. PREGO!! :)

I have heard Vitex and baby asprin can cause spotting, but I'm VERY excited for you to test! :)


Thank you so much! I'm way too nervous to be excited I will update :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

No I haven't taken a test since as I assume that I am somewhat in my 2ww... But actually I never got a +opk this round just faint lines... So wasn't sure if I ov early too?! I have no idea!! Lol

Oh I'll bet you Oed EARLY too! ;) When can you test?

[Butterfly Spirit]

Hmmm...I'm not totally sure! It could be implantation bleeding or it could be coming from your cervix if you've BD or checked your cervix a lot lately (are you taking cran or baby aspirin??? They can make this cervix bleeding more likely.)

FX for implantation bleeding!!!

Sorry I forgot to answer this, but no cranberry or baby asprin, and I haven't checked my cervix in awhile.

[rainbowflower]

The ghost lines on my cheapie tests are darker tonight (took 2 lol).. I'm on the brink of insanity.. AF was supposed to be on the 22 or 23!

oh, please tell me this is a cheapie pregnancy test not a cheapie opk!!!! :D

[Butterfly Spirit]

oh, please tell me this is a cheapie pregnancy test not a cheapie opk!!!! :D

Cheapie PREGO test my friend, and I took a cheapie opk right along with it that is almost similar to that ghost line. haha

[rainbowflower]

my first BFP with this one was the faintest little ghost line on an internet cheapie test (so faint it wouldn't show up in a photo) - so dipped a FRER in the same pee and got an obvious line on it!
pee on a FRER please!! lol

[Butterfly Spirit]

my first BFP with this one was the faintest little ghost line on an internet cheapie test (so faint it wouldn't show up in a photo) - so dipped a FRER in the same pee and got an obvious line on it!
pee on a FRER please!! lol

OMG I didn't know that!!! I wish I had one right now, but if we're patient.. in a few days I should have a line if I am indeed prego.
I can get 100 ovulation and 20 preg tests for under $20.
Hubby won't budge on FRER..however I did show him the ghost line yesterday morning and he's like "it's there, but you have to really concentrate to see it.. " nah you could see it easier, he was just in denial!
Well it's darker now.. so :P hahaha is what I will tell him.

I hate to freak him out at all though because then he will FOR SURE not BD next cycle.

[Babyy Love]

Oh gosh is there something I didn't read before Taking Vitex!? Like the spotting and AF like cramps. .
I feel like such a TTC virgin :hair:

[atomic sagebrush]

Just jumping in to say this month was my first month on Vitex and i got positive OPK for 5 days in a row and i was temping too so from my temping chart i ov on the 5th day.It totally confused me and i ended up dtd on the 2nd day thinking it was -1 but ended up being -3. So we dtd again on 4th day which was -1.And i got my BFP after ttc for a year! So something worked out in the end.The only side effect i noticed with vitex and i took it with Saw palmetto was the usual menstrual migraine i got disappeared but once i stopped taking them on ov the migraines started again. So i dont know if it helped with my hormones in that way. Probably nothing to it but just something i noticed.Best of luck maybeoneday and butterfly spirit.xx

OMG did I miss a BFP in the middle of this post!?! AAA!! congrats!

[atomic sagebrush]

I've begun my vitex journey the day after AF left because my vitex arrived late so let's say I took it after AF-day before O and already I'm worried because I suppose I O'ed about a dayor 2 ago and I see that I have some brown spotting..am I the only 1 who this has happened to!?

Brown spotting a day ro two after O is normal and "O spotting". Sometime the fluid that comes out with your egg has blood in it and that blood can find its way out. Since it's brownish, that's almost certainly what it is.

If you're taking cran/baby aspirin, they can contribute to O spotting but some months you just get it randomly. I think I've had it 3-5 times in my life (never when swaying) just at various points.

Another possibility (again, if you're taking cran/baby aspirin, this can be likely) is that your cervix gets very open and soft around ovulation and it is prone to getting injured, and then if you BD a lot or check your pH, you can cause little owies that don't even hurt when you do it, but can cause a little bleeding, bright red, pink, or brown depending on how severe it is.

[atomic sagebrush]

Don't worry too much about this, like I mentioned before I took the vitex for !!!2 weeks!!!! and I was not just a little bit pg either...I was a month pg at this point but didn't know because of the "AF-that-was-not-AF".

The baby at 3 DPO could not have absorbed anything anyway, and at 3DPO your corpus luteum was still going strong. AT 10 DPO the baby could have been implanted by that point and also a CL could be breaking down, so it's much riskier.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh gosh is there something I didn't read before Taking Vitex!? Like the spotting and AF like cramps. .
I feel like such a TTC virgin :hair:

I did have more O cramping while on Vitex, but also baby aspirin/cran can cause O cramping to be very severe.

[atomic sagebrush]

Butterfly, I've always heard if the line is there, then the line is THERE! Congrats, I hope it keeps getting darker!!!!

[Babyy Love]

I did have more O cramping while on Vitex, but also baby aspirin/cran can cause O cramping to be very severe.


I haven't had baby aspirin since about a month ago..I gave it up all I take is Folic Acid and just began Vitex when it arrived..I'm anxious now that vie gotten some sleep i'm hoping my lucky month is next month because I doubt I get a BFP with all the stress ive beeN experiencing lately

[Butterfly Spirit]

Butterfly, I've always heard if the line is there, then the line is THERE! Congrats, I hope it keeps getting darker!!!!

I'm so nervous to believe it though. Maybe I'm chasing an evap line that I ironically never get .. lol

[coocoobananas]

Good luck tomorrow! I stupidly tested and not a suprise bfn appeared! I am going offline after Sunday I really need to think about things! I thought this whole thing of swaying was bringing me clarity but in fact I still feel the same! I know that because when I got the bfn I was deflated but while we were dtd I was literally afraid it would happen!
I wish I could afford and feel ok with ht... But I don't! I want it to just happen, but who am I kidding?!
A lot of soul searching and I may be back! Maybe with a new username:foreverindecisive!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Good luck tomorrow! I stupidly tested and not a suprise bfn appeared! I am going offline after Sunday I really need to think about things! I thought this whole thing of swaying was bringing me clarity but in fact I still feel the same! I know that because when I got the bfn I was deflated but while we were dtd I was literally afraid it would happen!
I wish I could afford and feel ok with ht... But I don't! I want it to just happen, but who am I kidding?!
A lot of soul searching and I may be back! Maybe with a new username:foreverindecisive!!!

But wait, did AF come? It's not over till she crashes the party! Maybe it's too early! With my second DS I didn't test until 2-3 days after AF was late, and even then... the line was barely and I mean barely there! Sometimes it takes 3-4 days to build up. So do me a fave and don't give up hope until then okay? :)
As for me, I feel bad I even brought up the ghost line. It isn't getting any darker at this point. But oh well.. I am excited to take Vitex again. I laugh at myself now because I even said to Atomic.. "I find myself just wishing that AF would come just so I can take Vitex again!" Maybe I got my wish ha ha ha :) Original AF was due on the 22 or 23.
I've been doing some thinking lately too, and I' know that hanging out here will only make me more swaysessed! So after this cycle is over I probably will take a little break and try to chill out too, and that sure isn't easy at all because I LOVE coming here and spending time talking to you wonderful ladies. And I will come back when I get my BFP.
I do know that we can do whatever we put our minds to, and I believe you can too! Maybe a break would be good though because relaxing is what will lower that testosterone.. I laughed the other day and I asked myself.. HOW am I supposed to relax without stress with two little boys!?!?!?! bahahahaha oh well. We do what we can right? Another good thing is.. I've heard only great things with tricking your body that you aren't trying to conceive anymore.. or ladies that actually give up and it finally happens! No matter what, just be positive, I do believe in the law of attraction, and until menopause happens..you have that chance to conceive!!! :)

[Babyy Love]

But wait, did AF come? It's not over till she crashes the party! Maybe it's too early! With my second DS I didn't test until 2-3 days after AF was late, and even then... the line was barely and I mean barely there! Sometimes it takes 3-4 days to build up. So do me a fave and don't give up hope until then okay? :)
As for me, I feel bad I even brought up the ghost line. It isn't getting any darker at this point. But oh well.. I am excited to take Vitex again. I laugh at myself now because I even said to Atomic.. "I find myself just wishing that AF would come just so I can take Vitex again!" Maybe I got my wish ha ha ha :) Original AF was due on the 22 or 23.
I've been doing some thinking lately too, and I' know that hanging out here will only make me more swaysessed! So after this cycle is over I probably will take a little break and try to chill out too, and that sure isn't easy at all because I LOVE coming here and spending time talking to you wonderful ladies. And I will come back when I get my BFP.
I do know that we can do whatever we put our minds to, and I believe you can too! Maybe a break would be good though because relaxing is what will lower that testosterone.. I laughed the other day and I asked myself.. HOW am I supposed to relax without stress with two little boys!?!?!?! bahahahaha oh well. We do what we can right? Another good thing is.. I've heard only great things with tricking your body that you aren't trying to conceive anymore.. or ladies that actually give up and it finally happens! No matter what, just be positive, I do believe in the law of attraction, and until menopause happens..you have that chance to conceive!!! :)


Hmmm tricking the body that you aren't TTC huh you don't say??:suprise: and just how do you do that? Sometimes I actually feel like giving up or taking a very very LONG break from all this :hair:
Maybe we ALL need a spa day

[atomic sagebrush]

If you don't go overboard on sway tactics that require a lot of attention, you CAN trick yourself into thinking you're not really even TTC. I didn't do anything that required any efforts on my part beyond following a diet and then taking vitex. I never had to stress about when to DTD or what jelly to use, etc.

[Butterfly Spirit]

UPDATE>>>>>>>>>> BFP LADIES MY BFP!!!!!!! Yes, pregnant and had a full blown AF.. I'm your proof! Hubby is livid and won't help me take a pic of it. I took another internet cheapie and this time there was a actual line you could see.. So I went to the dollarstore and got one of those cuz they always work for me..

IT'S A BFP AND I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :running:

Mama always WINS in the end hehehe . . .

[coocoobananas]

Congrats! That's awesome:)

[Butterfly Spirit]

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We have a great point and shoot but for some reason it won't take pics of tests very well at all.. But you can still see it! :) Today is Cd 31!
Hubby left the house, he's SOOOOO pissed.. hehe
I win, and I get my Christmas baby to top it off YAY! I hope it's my Princess! I was hoping to conceive in April or May since the Chinese Gender Calender says GIRL so We'll see!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Congrats! That's awesome:)

coocoo, it will happen for you! KEEP up the Vitex!!!!! :)

[coocoobananas]

Thanks! It's funny cause I had had some vino last night and this morning I was thinking...what the heck did I write on that forum last night lol!!
Just got back from a baby shower for 2 baby girls...didn't even think about how I would feel til I got there!! Gagged back tears:( so scared to get pregnant and be the end of any dream if having that!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Thanks! It's funny cause I had had some vino last night and this morning I was thinking...what the heck did I write on that forum last night lol!!
Just got back from a baby shower for 2 baby girls...didn't even think about how I would feel til I got there!! Gagged back tears:( so scared to get pregnant and be the end of any dream if having that!

Just stay positive.. just keep trucking! You see how the vitex worked for me and I didn't even take it every day! It's just CRAZY to me.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Hi ladies, still bleeding so I'm looking for advice on progesterone shots and if I should stop nursing DS #2 or just eat more.. ?

[atomic sagebrush]

There is no need to stop nursing, no matter what people will tell you, it's fine to nurse during early pg. I've nursed thru two whole pg (one with placenta previa and lots of bleeding) and both were fine.

I would talk to your doc and see about prog support.

[Butterfly Spirit]

There is no need to stop nursing, no matter what people will tell you, it's fine to nurse during early pg. I've nursed thru two whole pg (one with placenta previa and lots of bleeding) and both were fine.

I would talk to your doc and see about prog support.

Wow, thank you for sharing that, I was thinking about it and remembered a mom on youtube Lucy Eades and she has nursed all through her pregnancies too. I'm most nervous about not drinking enough, but I'm hoping the taste of my milk will change and DS will just stop anyway. :)

Here's a BIG Q..Do I keep taking the calcium, magnesium, and b-50 complex? I didn't yesterday because I wasn't sure.
I'm guessing you'll say yes take them but I have to make sure. :)

[Babyy Love]

Hey ladies I just did some research today and found something hurtful to me because it completely changed everything.
Women who have the blood type O have trouble conceiving...PLEASE tell me this isn't true :sad:

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey ladies I just did some research today and found something hurtful to me because it completely changed everything.
Women who have the blood type O have trouble conceiving...PLEASE tell me this isn't true :sad:

No, that is complete and total utter nonsense. I am blood type O and have 5 children. Type O is the most common blood type on the face of the planet and if that was at all true, it simply could not be that the majority of people would have that blood type. Some countries, half of the people are type O!!

If you give me a link where you read that, I can check it out and see what exactly they're talking about. There are a couple variations of blood types that CAN make it more difficult to conceive - but it has nothing to do with Type O, A, B.

[atomic sagebrush]

Wow, thank you for sharing that, I was thinking about it and remembered a mom on youtube Lucy Eades and she has nursed all through her pregnancies too. I'm most nervous about not drinking enough, but I'm hoping the taste of my milk will change and DS will just stop anyway. :)

Here's a BIG Q..Do I keep taking the calcium, magnesium, and b-50 complex? I didn't yesterday because I wasn't sure.
I'm guessing you'll say yes take them but I have to make sure. :)

I answered via PM already but yes, keep taking them. You may want to gradually ease back on the cal and mag over a few weeks until you're taking a more reasonable amount.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok I found the info and all it means is that of the small percentage of women who have trouble conceiving and seek fertility treatment, they are most likely to be Type O. There are women who have trouble conceiving who are Type A and B, and there are plenty of women out there who have absolutely no trouble conceiving who are Type O.

Please don't read too much into things like this. The number of rapes seems to rise with the amount of ice cream consumed and it doesn't mean that ice cream causes rape - it's just that they both go up in the summertime!!!

[Babyy Love]

Ok I found the info and all it means is that of the small percentage of women who have trouble conceiving and seek fertility treatment, they are most likely to be Type O. There are women who have trouble conceiving who are Type A and B, and there are plenty of women out there who have absolutely no trouble conceiving who are Type O.

Please don't read too much into things like this. The number of rapes seems to rise with the amount of ice cream consumed and it doesn't mean that ice cream causes rape - it's just that they both go up in the summertime!!!




Lol there are a few links here's 1 [http://www.growingyourbaby.com/2010/10/25/women-with-blood-type-o-may-have-more-trouble-conceiving/]

Everyone kept asking the most dreaded questions for TTC couples "when are you gonna have babies?" "what's taking so long!?"
Well sometimes we ask ourselves that and we don't want to hear it from the people we love most also and then his mom kept asking our blood types..(yeah she forgot his! He's the youngest of 3 boys and Its been year since shes had to remember his blood type.) Well he asked me to research what blood types have trouble and the 1st I saw was women with type O have trouble TTC and I freak and even came across having too high of FSH and notice wheatgrass and Ginger root is said to lower it. I see wheatgrass is used by those TTC blue but what about ginger root? Thursday I will test my FSH and too low wouldn't be a bad thing would it?? I am also going to purchase a colon cleanse because a friend told me after 2 years she did and herbal colon cleanse and then conceived and blames it on the cleanse.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Lol there are a few links here's 1 [http://www.growingyourbaby.com/2010/10/25/women-with-blood-type-o-may-have-more-trouble-conceiving/]

Everyone kept asking the most dreaded questions for TTC couples "when are you gonna have babies?" "what's taking so long!?"
Well sometimes we ask ourselves that and we don't want to hear it from the people we love most also and then his mom kept asking our blood types..(yeah she forgot his! He's the youngest of 3 boys and Its been year since shes had to remember his blood type.) Well he asked me to research what blood types have trouble and the 1st I saw was women with type O have trouble TTC and I freak and even came across having too high of FSH and notice wheatgrass and Ginger root is said to lower it. I see wheatgrass is used by those TTC blue but what about ginger root? Thursday I will test my FSH and too low wouldn't be a bad thing would it?? I am also going to purchase a colon cleanse because a friend told me after 2 years she did and herbal colon cleanse and then conceived and blames it on the cleanse.

LMAO I told you ladies not to run out and get a colonoscopy prep. ;) However I did conceive.
Taking a whole bottle of miralax and overdose of ducolax is actually not good, but has to be done! I don't know how the herbal one works.. but maybe there's something to a colon cleanse and removing all the toxins.
I do recommend a thyroid test for all though!!!!

[Babyy Love]

LMAO I told you ladies not to run out and get a colonoscopy prep. ;) However I did conceive.
Taking a whole bottle of miralax and overdose of ducolax is actually not good, but has to be done! I don't know how the herbal one works.. but maybe there's something to a colon cleanse and removing all the toxins.
I do recommend a thyroid test for all though!!!!


Lol well I tested for thyroids & everything is fine! & oopsy didn't know u said don't go coco bananas with that stuff but I DO need to relax I've been so neurotic & just erratic :hair: I'm scaring my hunny hmm I'm scaring me too :nails:
I do need to cleanse my system though because as a kid my mom used to make me drink the Epsom salt laxative which led to my gorgeous pimple free perfect skin in my teenage years and now I'm suffering because I can play connect the dots on my face & cleaning your system out can never be a bad thing right?

[atomic sagebrush]

Lol there are a few links here's 1 [http://www.growingyourbaby.com/2010/10/25/women-with-blood-type-o-may-have-more-trouble-conceiving/]

Everyone kept asking the most dreaded questions for TTC couples "when are you gonna have babies?" "what's taking so long!?"
Well sometimes we ask ourselves that and we don't want to hear it from the people we love most also and then his mom kept asking our blood types..(yeah she forgot his! He's the youngest of 3 boys and Its been year since shes had to remember his blood type.) Well he asked me to research what blood types have trouble and the 1st I saw was women with type O have trouble TTC and I freak and even came across having too high of FSH and notice wheatgrass and Ginger root is said to lower it. I see wheatgrass is used by those TTC blue but what about ginger root? Thursday I will test my FSH and too low wouldn't be a bad thing would it?? I am also going to purchase a colon cleanse because a friend told me after 2 years she did and herbal colon cleanse and then conceived and blames it on the cleanse.

But that's NOT what the study really even says. Most women have NO trouble conceiving. They studied the tiny group of women who have had trouble conceiving and slightly more of them had type O blood than Type A or B. That is probably due to genetics (since most people of similar blood types have similar ethnic heritage) and is TOTALLY a coincidence - probably something like, more Type O's have PCOS and since women with PCOS have more trouble conceiving, they go to fertility treatments more often. But the Type O blood type most likely has nothing to do with it, it's almost certianly just a coincidence. Like I said before, I have 5 kids and Type O, my sister has Type O, my mom and MIL and stepmom all have Type O and none of us had any trouble conceiving.

If you're having your FSH tested, please don't do anything unnatural to try to lower it before testing. YOu NEED that information to be accurate.

[Babyy Love]

But that's NOT what the study really even says. Most women have NO trouble conceiving. They studied the tiny group of women who have had trouble conceiving and slightly more of them had type O blood than Type A or B. That is probably due to genetics (since most people of similar blood types have similar ethnic heritage) and is TOTALLY a coincidence - probably something like, more Type O's have PCOS and since women with PCOS have more trouble conceiving, they go to fertility treatments more often. But the Type O blood type most likely has nothing to do with it, it's almost certianly just a coincidence. Like I said before, I have 5 kids and Type O, my sister has Type O, my mom and MIL and stepmom all have Type O and none of us had any trouble conceiving.

If you're having your FSH tested, please don't do anything unnatural to try to lower it before testing. YOu NEED that information to be accurate.


I will have that tested later I guess but I am going to have a hysterogram in which I'm nervous about. My doctor told me there's only 3 reasons left well 2 because she ruled out me ovulating but it's hunnys swimmers :bluesperm::pinksperm: or my tubes and I'm hoping it's neither but I might even be tracking ovulation incorrectly

[Butterfly Spirit]

I just wanted to let you ladies know that I have an appt for an u/s at a high risk clinic on May 7th! :)
They wanted to wait a week so they could possibly find a heartbeat. I'm SO excited!

The light brown cm returned but no fresh blood...

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck with your appointments ladies!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Ladies, I just wanted to tell you all that my bleeding, spotting, and then brown cm has STOPPED! Not a trace remains, even after making love last night to poor DH! Gosh, the last day was the 17th! I just didn't want to take any chances that I could lose what I worked so HARD for!

Hallelujah! I'm going in on Monday to get my blood drawn again though, just for my peace of mind!
Thanks for all the love, and concern and support you wonderful ladies have given me. I will keep you updated!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well ladies it seems I spoke too soon. I started spotting again and this time I didn't waste time, I went to the ER.
They did an iv, hcg bloodwork, an ultasound, and transvaginal ultrasound, pelvic exam, and a rhogam shot.

NOT a fun trip. I've never had a transvaginal and OMG it hurts like hell when they look for your ovaries.
I am now cramping and I am not happy about it. Can anyone please tell me if you have had cramping after a TV ultrasound? And or... pelvic?

They found one sac of fluid, but they aren't sure if it's the gestational sac being it's so early, they think I am behind 5 weeks. Even saying that my bleeding is probably from implantation!
My hcg today was 500
and last week I "think" it was at 48
So anyways..When the doc did the pelvic he didn't see any blood at all.
Things look good. I just need to chill out! LOL but I'm kinda stressing over these crampies.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, several people (a lot of the HT girls have to have transvag u/s) have cramping and even spotting afterwards.

Hmmm...praying for your pg - I don't like that you seem so much further behind that you were expecting, but it is good that HCG is rising.

[atomic sagebrush]

I will have that tested later I guess but I am going to have a hysterogram in which I'm nervous about. My doctor told me there's only 3 reasons left well 2 because she ruled out me ovulating but it's hunnys swimmers :bluesperm::pinksperm: or my tubes and I'm hoping it's neither but I might even be tracking ovulation incorrectly

Oh and if you're ovulating and egg quality seems good, then that means that any of the types of fertility issues that ~might~ be related to blood type are probably ruled out anyway.

[Babyy Love]

Oh and if you're ovulating and egg quality seems good, then that means that any of the types of fertility issues that ~might~ be related to blood type are probably ruled out anyway.

According to my OB blood type has nothing to do with it. But I got way too drunk & ate so much meat..well I ate so much food period! Lol great time at a wedding yesterday I think I ate EVERYTHING & I mean EVERYTHING & I drank so much beer I woke up sweating heineken oh how vie ruined my diet :(

[Butterfly Spirit]

According to my OB blood type has nothing to do with it. But I got way too drunk & ate so much meat..well I ate so much food period! Lol great time at a wedding yesterday I think I ate EVERYTHING & I mean EVERYTHING & I drank so much beer I woke up sweating heineken oh how vie ruined my diet :(

But it says you have one day to testing.. maybe you are prego? ;)
In which case ..no more alcohol. hehe

[Butterfly Spirit]

Yes, several people (a lot of the HT girls have to have transvag u/s) have cramping and even spotting afterwards.

Hmmm...praying for your pg - I don't like that you seem so much further behind that you were expecting, but it is good that HCG is rising.

The ultrasound was brutal enough! I forgot how firmly they push down.. but the transvaginal....NEVER ever again unless it will save the life of my baby!
It caused bleeding and awful cramping last night and clotting, when I woke up and had FMU but that makes sense because the blood was sitting inside all night, but I decided that I am just not going to freak out anymore unless I bleed or cramp HARD! My BFF almost lost her last baby girl she was hemmoraging like one pad every half hour, and her little one was absolutely fine. The funny thing is I still feel pregnant, like my stomach is still firm and I just think I'm okay. It's weird, I can't explain it. But I did make the decision that if I lose it, I won't tell dh, I will just suffer in silence.. and I will get prego again as he does it without abandon thinking I am pregnant!
I have 2 people thinking I will be just fine though.. him and her, so I think that has to mean something. I'm the crazy pregnant one right? haha :)
I'm okay today!! I'm putting this in the hands of God until I go get my levels checked next week and MAYBE another ultrasound.

**The doc put me on pelvic rest. No heavy lifting, exercising, and no sex.
Poor DH!!!!!! hahaha**

[atomic sagebrush]

According to my OB blood type has nothing to do with it. But I got way too drunk & ate so much meat..well I ate so much food period! Lol great time at a wedding yesterday I think I ate EVERYTHING & I mean EVERYTHING & I drank so much beer I woke up sweating heineken oh how vie ruined my diet :(

I don't think there's anything to it either, I'm just saying that if there WERE something to it, it would not be something that would show up on hysterogram because as a general rule, problems with blocked tubes are usually due to injury/infection and not so much disorders that could be passed on genetically.

One day off of diet will not make or break you!! Hope you had fun.

[atomic sagebrush]

Butterfly, did they say where your placenta is?? Is it placenta previa or what??

[Butterfly Spirit]

I called my clinic and my hcg was 46 last Mon. The fact that it's 500 now makes me feel pretty good! :)

I'm not sure if the placenta is sitting on top of the cervix or not. I'm guessing no though since the shot of the uterus they showed me seemed like it was in the middle, and maybe right below the middle. I took a video of it, let me see if I can find a shot I can take a picture of.

[atomic sagebrush]

If it's not PP, that's a good sign. FX for you!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

I am REALLY anxious to get this picture up for you ladies since my point and shoot won't take a shot of the camcorder screen. I tried it with the computer too.. but it won't work.
I have to locate the card for my phone.

I see three black sacks... far apart but there.. 2 are at the bottom.. They only told me one so I didn't know if the other ones are actually anything or not.

[Butterfly Spirit]

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What are the two black circles below!?!?

My baby is the top one, and doc was measuring the size that's why the cursor is in it.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Ladies I'm going crazy here... I think there is more than one but I need opinions! lol

I'm on the phone with my BFF and she sees three. I Thought I did....but I didn't want to say..

TRIPLETS!!!

That would explain my bleeding.. wouldn't it!

[Butterfly Spirit]

IS ANYONE AWAKE TONIGHT!?

[atomic sagebrush]

it would def. explain the bleeding because there's just not that much room for three placentas and one could have implanted near the cervix...but wouldn't your doctor have noticed/mentioned that?

[Butterfly Spirit]

it would def. explain the bleeding because there's just not that much room for three placentas and one could have implanted near the cervix...but wouldn't your doctor have noticed/mentioned that?

I don't think he was even an OB!
But there are 3 there as of now right?

[atomic sagebrush]

I can't tell anything on the basis of those pics, but I'm terrible with ultrasounds.

[Butterfly Spirit]

I can't tell anything on the basis of those pics, but I'm terrible with ultrasounds.

I called the on call doc and he said it's too early to tell. Might be a cyst on the cervix blah blah blah but he can't tell! Oh yeah and he said my hcg was 546.. oh gee they left that out.. and just said 500 last night.

I'm terrible at ultrasounds too. I'm good at seeing black circles that could be 4 week GS.. but that's about it.. lol

OH and he said he doesn't see anything to worry about with the one "fluid filled sac" He doesn't see a cause for the bleeding as of now. Oh well, it feels better to talk with a professional and that's good he doesn't see a cause for bleeding :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

I just wanted to share a good pic of my BFP from the 21st. Taken with my cell phone.
This was the day before my period. I was amazed how dark the line was as I've never even had a light line before my period.

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[Turning the page]

I've never posted on this site before, but I wanted to chime in on the ultrasounds (I'm a PA--worked in RE/IVF for a couple of years). They look like they may be nabothian cysts, esp.if they're on the cervix--GOOGLE them. :) It's hard to see from these photos, but that's my bet. Congrats on the gorgeous little GS, though! Looks great!

[Butterfly Spirit]

I've never posted on this site before, but I wanted to chime in on the ultrasounds (I'm a PA--worked in RE/IVF for a couple of years). They look like they may be nabothian cysts, esp.if they're on the cervix--GOOGLE them. :) It's hard to see from these photos, but that's my bet. Congrats on the gorgeous little GS, though! Looks great!

Thank you for chiming in! I appreciate it!!! :)
I started spotting again solid red tonight, I just wish it would stop! Something is causing it, I'm just hoping that whatever it is isn't affecting my little one.
Could they affect my little one? Would they need to be removed?

Thanks again for commenting here for me!

[Babyy Love]

I don't think there's anything to it either, I'm just saying that if there WERE something to it, it would not be something that would show up on hysterogram because as a general rule, problems with blocked tubes are usually due to injury/infection and not so much disorders that could be passed on genetically.

One day off of diet will not make or break you!! Hope you had fun.


Had a blast in a glass! Literately lol

Today is when AF is due..I don't really feel like testing well my test is waiting to see if she shows :)
I am nervous though because I know once she comes down that means I have to schedule my appointment and the fact that I've heard so many stories about being in pain or annoyed makes me nervous! I HATE cramping! You can cut off my foot and I won't complain but for some reason 1 tiny cramp kills me and according to almost everyone you feel cramping due to the hysterogram

[Butterfly Spirit]

I just want to know why the F&*% doctors will not give me any progesterone. I am bleeding and I keep bleeding and I just don't get it. I could get it in three forms! Shot, Suppository, and Pill!
The Progesterone is suppose to protect the lining of the uterus. Seems to me that's what I need. I really wish we had real doctors on this board that could help us in situations like these. I have never had a stitch of blood in any of my pregnancies, so why this one.. WHAT is causing it??? I very well could lose my mind.
I swear the doctors deep down have some kind of spite and just want the pregnancy "to resolve itself" that's exactly what the doc on call I talked to an hour ago said when I told her I was bleeding again. "Oh your pregnancy is just finally resolving itself" I wanted to SMACK her sooo hard! Gee I thought the woman might be more sympathetic than the male docs I've talked to in the last week. I guess I was wrong.

[atomic sagebrush]

I've never posted on this site before, but I wanted to chime in on the ultrasounds (I'm a PA--worked in RE/IVF for a couple of years). They look like they may be nabothian cysts, esp.if they're on the cervix--GOOGLE them. :) It's hard to see from these photos, but that's my bet. Congrats on the gorgeous little GS, though! Looks great!

Oh of course!!!! Thanks for chiming in!!!

Butterfly - they're normal and most of us get them from time to time.

[atomic sagebrush]

It's because if the pg is not going to work out, they don't want to prolong it any longer than necessary for your sake. Prog. supplementation can keep your body thinking it is pg for a long time after a baby has actually passed on, so I think the mindset is that if the pg is not working out, then it's best to let nature take its course, because the sooner it does, the sooner you can TTC again.

I'm sorry tho and still hoping it works out for you. :heart:

[Butterfly Spirit]

And thus my journey begins again!

I'm buying this: Amazon.com: Nature's Way Red Raspberry Leaves , 480 mg, 100 Capsules: Health & Personal Care (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AR8PXW/ref=s9_simh_gw_p121_d0_g121_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0D ER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=150N58VF1TV2NGBSGZ08&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846)

It's to strengthen my uterine lining and to HEAL!

and I'm taking it with Vitex, along with all my other supplements!

I am determined.

And I will make it happen AGAIN!

I'm probably going to take a break from GD for awhile though so I don't stress anymore than I am now.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Ladies, I just wanted to let you all know that my sweet baby passed away yesterday.
:sadflwr: :SS:
I'm not posting in the interest of you feeling sorry for me, I mainly want to STRESS that you get your thyroid checked with a doctor that knows how to take care of one before you conceive, and even while you are pregnant. The thyroid is also affected by pregnancy.. This is no joke, she is gone, and I firmly believe it's the main reason I lost her. DH feels it was a girl, and I felt her little spirit strongly last night.
I am very sad, but also VERY motivated to go again.
I've already purchased Nature's Way red raspberry leaf capsules this morning, I took two and with advice I took Vitex again and I added all my other supplements to it.

The store I got the capsules from also had licorice root! I'm thinking of talking DH into taking it. LOL

I will try not to be here as much as I have been so I can de-stress as much as possible.
Thank you for your support ladies, who have become my dear friends in such a short time.

[Mochagirl]

Butterfly - the first I heard of your m/c was in your pm, but I just saw this post now. Again, I'm soooo sorry for your loss. I'm sure you'll get another BFP really quickly, and it'll be a pink one! :HH:

[Butterfly Spirit]

Butterfly - the first I heard of your m/c was in your pm, but I just saw this post now. Again, I'm soooo sorry for your loss. I'm sure you'll get another BFP really quickly, and it'll be a pink one! :HH:

You are SUCH A sweetheart Mocha! I didn't want to announce it on the forum, so I just posted it on my profile, but then I got to thinking how important it is for ladies to get their thyroid checked before TTC and during pregnancy and I had to bring it forward.
Gosh it's so hard. I just find myself crying over and over today as I watch videos on youtube.
A little life was forming, and I was dreaming of the future, then all of a sudden it was ripped away!
I can't imagine how your experience must have been. Just terrible! You are such a strong woman!
Thank you for your advice on the pm, I REALLY appreciate it!!!
I do feel hopeful that I will get that BFP soon too! My little one last night told me that she will be back, and I believe it!
And I can't wait! :') *happy tears*

[Mochagirl]

After my m/c I felt that by getting pregnant quickly, my angel's spirit would somehow be part of this pregnancy as well. Good luck getting that BFP - I'm sending tons of pink baby dust your way!

[Wishing4Princess]

Butterfly, I am so sorry about your m/c. I just read this post and was real saddened by it. I wish you a sticky BFP soon sweetie!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Butterfly, I am so sorry about your m/c. I just read this post and was real saddened by it. I wish you a sticky BFP soon sweetie!

Thank you Wishing! I appreciate it.

How are you doing with your sway? :)

[Babyy Love]

Lots of X's and O's to Butterfly!
So sorry for what u are going thru but I wish u a healthy BFP after you get through it all.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Lots of X's and O's to Butterfly!
So sorry for what u are going thru but I wish u a healthy BFP after you get through it all.

Thank you Babyy Love sweetie!!! I won't lie it's very painful physically and mentally, but I am determined to get her back very quickly! :) And I shall!!

[sweetsister]

Butterfly im so sorry for your loss ,i truly believe that she will come back soon to you,she just wasnt ready yet :LotsofLove:

[Butterfly Spirit]

Butterfly im so sorry for your loss ,i truly believe that she will come back soon to you,she just wasnt ready yet :LotsofLove:

Thank you Sweet Sister, what you said made me tear up but I really do believe it's TRUE!

[zanacal]

I'm so sorry for your loss Butterfly, take care x

[Butterfly Spirit]

I'm so sorry for your loss Butterfly, take care x

Thank you Zanacal, I appreciate it!

[Butterfly Spirit]

This is SO hard, I should be pregnant right now, I'm just angry. I Want to vent and I just want my baby back! Last night I was resting in bed and baby DS was by my stomach and he pointed and poked my stomach and out of the blue said "baby sister in tummy!?" It was so hard to say "No, baby sister has gone away to heaven, but she told me she will be back." Today for the hell of it I asked older DS and asked him where baby sister was and he replied "Baby sister in your tummy." I decided to tell him now so hopefully he won't ask for awhile. Those sweet babies! I wanted so much to give them their sister!!! I've already cried today. DH tried to make me feel better by saying "You just can't blame yourself! You didn't know about your thyroid and then...well there wasn't a heartbeat, so I don't think she had a soul" I replied "She had a spirit, and her spirit visited me on Wed night, and I felt it strongly, and I know without a doubt it was our daughter!!!" I of course cried after I said that and he did too.
Damnit, why did I have to even get pregnant if it wasn't safe yet!? However, I would have never known it wasn't safe if it would not have happened. But what a painful lesson!!!!!!!!
Then I got my mom saying "The fetus spontaneously aborts because it has a defect, if so this was a blessing in disguise."
I did tell my mom and sister Wed night.
I believe everything happens for a reason, but I just can't shake this away very easily no matter how hard I try!
I need to get my health good so I can conceive her again.
I know I need to go to the dentist as well, and have cavities. I haven't been since 2006 :(
I HATE the dentist!
I know bad dental heigene can cause miscarriage too!
Then I have all of them pushing me to do my colonoscopy. GRRR I wish I didn't have to do it.
What to do!?!?!?
What if I get pregnant the same cycle again..

[Mochagirl]

I'm sorry you're feeling so down :HH:

[myGirl]

I'm so sad to read this Butterfly, it just seems so unfair. Praying for you.


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[pinkin2011]

Butterfly I am so so sorry! I didnt even know this!! How terrible you poor thing going through this! I hope you start to feel a bit better soon.. xoxo

[Butterfly Spirit]

I'm so sad to read this Butterfly, it just seems so unfair. Praying for you.


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Thank you myGirl, I appreciate it!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Butterfly I am so so sorry! I didnt even know this!! How terrible you poor thing going through this! I hope you start to feel a bit better soon.. xoxo

Thank you Pinkin sweetie! It's been a super rough week for me. Still having a hard time believing that it even happened.

[Butterfly Spirit]

I'm sorry you're feeling so down :HH:

Thank you for your continued support Mocha sweetie, your pms bring me comfort.

[Butterfly Spirit]

I have just been hit like a ton of bricks. I GET IT! I know why now I conceived and even miscarried. I'm in shock, and I could kick myself in the ass for not knowing the connection between Vitex and my thyroid.
OMG... I must share.
So last night when I was laying in bed I remembered how Vitex can affect the pituitary gland.. and I thought WAIT a minute... that's connected to the thyroid! So I hopped online this afternoon and I found the connection

At Home Remedy for Hypothyroidism | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/way_5132707_home-remedy-hypothyroidism.html)

Vitex was able to balance my progesterone, and therefore give my thyroid enough of a kick so I could conceive!!!
So when I stopped taking it..

My thyroid CRASHED!
Holy crap. If I would have kept taking it I probably could have saved my little one.

So now, I don't know what the hell to do..
My doc put me on 100 micrograms of levothyroxine
and now I'm taking Vitex to get my cycle going..

I'm terrified that I've started something that isn't good once again..

I might need to go see an endocrinologist for answers.
If I conceive I might just stay on the Vitex until it's safe to come off of it. Yikes!

[atomic sagebrush]

Please consult with a doctor or endocrinologist about that. I really don't think that you stopping vitex was the cause of your loss and i hope you don't blame yourself for that. Vitex just isn't that strong and you weren't on it for that long.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Please consult with a doctor or endocrinologist about that. I really don't think that you stopping vitex was the cause of your loss and i hope you don't blame yourself for that. Vitex just isn't that strong and you weren't on it for that long.

I am SOO mad at myself that I never knew that there was a doc that actually specialized in thyroid disorders! God, I'm an idiot! I just always did what I was told.. go to a doctor.
I told my doctor that I was taking Vitex and he said nothing. :(
He couldn't make the connection because he didn't know.
My TSH was at 20. something which is extremely high. So I really do believe that the vitex was the cause of the conception and loss of it caused the loss.
So at the time I had absolutely no thyroid hormone production so even if the Vitex is mild, it gave it just enough and then when I stopped it, all production stopped again.
I had no idea Vitex can treat hypothyroidism naturally.
Like you said at the time I must have been overly sensitive to it because day 1 it gave me a horrible headache, and the next week it immediately caused me to have a + opk at CD 15, and I had not seen that happen in months!
I'm trying not to blame myself, but I should have researched it A LOT more before taking it. I really never would have come off of it, and even taken it again once I started bleeding.
I believe last night God was trying to tell me what happened so it won't happen again.
My thyroid medication won't get my thyroid back on track for 4- 6 weeks so... now I've started Vitex I better go see a endocrinologist right away! :(

[Butterfly Spirit]

Took a preg test for the hell of it with my cup of FMU and the line is pink but there.. Why? How can it drop down from 543 to 50 in 3 days but then 5 more days later it's still there enough to see? :(
I still have prego symptoms. Dizzy if I stand up too fast. Is my body mocking me?
I would like to hear experiences please.


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I guess it doesn't show well on camera but you can see it well in RL. *sigh*
I wish I had another sticky bean hiding in there!

[NCBeachyGrl]

So sorry you are going through this! I have had 2 MCs - one at 5 weeks and another at 9 weeks and sometimes it just takes a while to get all the pregnancy hormones out of your body. It really sucks....

[Butterfly Spirit]

So sorry you are going through this! I have had 2 MCs - one at 5 weeks and another at 9 weeks and sometimes it just takes a while to get all the pregnancy hormones out of your body. It really sucks....

I am SO sorry to hear about your losses NCBeachyGrl :broken::sadflwr::sadflwr:

[NCBeachyGrl]

Thank you! I don't think anyone really understands how hard it is until you go through it. My body wanted to hold on to the 9 week pregnancy and it took almost 2 months for the hormones to go away and then I finally got pg 4 months later and had another MC then I finally got pg 2 months later with vanishing twin. It was a crazy time!!!!

[Wishing4Princess]

Thank you Wishing! I appreciate it.

How are you doing with your sway? :)

Butterfly, im ok..just waiting around for ovulation. Im on CD 13 today..usually ovulate on CD 13..no + opk yet. dont mind tho..im taking 800mg vitex and 100mg B6 to delay it further if possible?

[Butterfly Spirit]

Thank you! I don't think anyone really understands how hard it is until you go through it. My body wanted to hold on to the 9 week pregnancy and it took almost 2 months for the hormones to go away and then I finally got pg 4 months later and had another MC then I finally got pg 2 months later with vanishing twin. It was a crazy time!!!!

OMG 2 months.. did the hcg rise at all? That's NUTS! :(
I don't want to hold onto mine, I just want to get a hcg test and call it good.
Again I'm so sorry for your losses!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Butterfly, im ok..just waiting around for ovulation. Im on CD 13 today..usually ovulate on CD 13..no + opk yet. dont mind tho..im taking 800mg vitex and 100mg B6 to delay it further if possible?

Sounds good! I think you'll be fine! :)

[Wishing4Princess]

yup..just one thing I am not sure about..if this cycle I ovulate later, then next cycle I should expect AF to arrive later too, right? I mean if I suddenly stop taking vitex and b6 at ovulation wouldn't af come sooner next cycle, ? atleast that's what I experienced. if my B6 is low, then I will get my period a week early the next cycle. so that just dismisses the point of taking vitex and B6 this cycle to push everything back..make sense?

[NCBeachyGrl]

With my 5 week MC I had no problem with it going back down. I think you will be fine!!!!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

yup..just one thing I am not sure about..if this cycle I ovulate later, then next cycle I should expect AF to arrive later too, right? I mean if I suddenly stop taking vitex and b6 at ovulation wouldn't af come sooner next cycle, ? atleast that's what I experienced. if my B6 is low, then I will get my period a week early the next cycle. so that just dismisses the point of taking vitex and B6 this cycle to push everything back..make sense?

I think you'd better pm Atomic, I don't want to give you the wrong advice. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

yup..just one thing I am not sure about..if this cycle I ovulate later, then next cycle I should expect AF to arrive later too, right? I mean if I suddenly stop taking vitex and b6 at ovulation wouldn't af come sooner next cycle, ? atleast that's what I experienced. if my B6 is low, then I will get my period a week early the next cycle. so that just dismisses the point of taking vitex and B6 this cycle to push everything back..make sense?

vitex is fine to stop at ovulation because at ovulation, your corpus lutem takes over and begins to make progesterone that will completely make up for any lack due to stoppihng vitex.

DO NOT STOP B6 SUDDENLY AT OVULATION OR EVER. If you take B6, continue taking it until you know you're pg and then you can either continue it thruout the first trimester (this is what I did and what I advise) and then wean off, or very gradually wean yourself off after BFP (this feels risky to me.) NEVER stop any vitamin/mineral supplements cold turkey, esp. when you may be pregnant.

[atomic sagebrush]

Everyone, please just know that I believe with every fiber of my being that it is fine and safe to stop Vitex at ovulation (in a normal pregnancy, your corpus luteum will start churning out way more progesterone than Vitex can provide). I've seen hundreds of women conceive safely this way and I feel much more safe and positive about that than stopping vitex later on in pg (the pg basically "gets used to" the vitex and compensates for it, whereas by stopping at O, the pg runs its course in your body as it's meant to). If the pg was not progressing normally to begin with, the corpus luteum was not providing prog. to make up for stopping the vitex - but that was because the pg/CL were at issue, not because of stopping the vitex. I do not recommend anyone continuing vitex past ovulation, esp. if they may be pg.

There may be others out there online who advise something different of course, and peopel can decide to do anything they like and feel will help them, but that's just what the data seems to indicate to me.

[atomic sagebrush]

Pg tests can stay positive for a long time after a loss unfortunately. I hope it lightens up soon. :heart:

[Irishmom]

vitex is fine to stop at ovulation because at ovulation, your corpus lutem takes over and begins to make progesterone that will completely make up for any lack due to stoppihng vitex.

DO NOT STOP B6 SUDDENLY AT OVULATION OR EVER. If you take B6, continue taking it until you know you're pg and then you can either continue it thruout the first trimester (this is what I did and what I advise) and then wean off, or very gradually wean yourself off after BFP (this feels risky to me.) NEVER stop any vitamin/mineral supplements cold turkey, esp. when you may be pregnant.

Sadly I never knew about weaning off b6 on my last pregnancy and lost my baby early on. I suddenly stopped. At 5 weeks and baby stopped growing at 7 weeks and I didn't know until 13 weeks. So please! Please! Listen to atomic and do NOT suddenly stop taking B6. I know that it may not have contributed at all to my loss but I was taking b6 swaying lightly for a few months and then suddenly stopped.