Clomid..this sways girl, right?

[SweetLily]

Hey ladies. I swear I read on IG a year ago that clomid sways pink...is this true?

I have been having trouble staying pregnant (after 4 kids lol) and I think its cause I have a uterine polyp, but just read that clomid also works by raising estrogen before O, then progesterone after O to help sustaint eh pregnancy (i think I am very estrogent dominant and have a Prog deficiency, since estorgent is usually the cause of polyps and faking meno for a few months shrinks them).

Anyway, I also read that for some reason it helps inhibit preterm labor (something I have had issues with in past) so thought it may be worth a shot. 2 or 3 eggs may not be a bad thing, hopefully one can stick despite the 2 cm polyp. I get my HSG this coming cycle or next, depending how busy they are.

Anyway, any thoughts would be wonderful ladies. Also--antidepressnats, sway pink too? or depends which one?

Thanks so much! DH and I are FINALLY planning our TTC in 2-3 months (you may remember me as Toddsgirl on IG about a year ago or more, I posted there a lot) and after it all is said and done, he is finally working for it and even takinghis vitamins (sometimes, lol..he thinks every 2 days is enough!)

Thanks girls!

[Butterfly Spirit]

I've read on here many ladies saying clomid sways PINK and I remember Atomic has said something to the tune of many ladies on here would kill to get clomid to add to their sway hahaha... however, it's not a magic pill and doesn't work for everyone. Some ladies still end up with boys!

[SweetLily]

Well, thankfully I have had enough problems with MCs (really early) to justify trying clomid, I am seeing a fert specialist right now. Apparently, it raises your estrogen which helps your lining thicken properly for baby, then it raises progesterone to help maintain the pregnancy. I have a problem maintaining, and also a uterine polyp so an extra egg would be great, ti would raise my chances that at least 1 could stick. I am going to push for it, I am almost 36 and have had 5 early mcs that were pretty much chemicals, but the drs here don't recognize 'chemical pregnancy' as a term, either you were pregnant and had a miscarriage, or you were not pregnant, and there is no half way. Lol.

Thanks for the reply. I look forward to getting to know everyone as I plan my sway.

Can you tell me--what is the LE diet? I have never heard of this.

Thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

It does seem to sway pink and here are a couple threads for you to read. Clomid doesn't raise estrogen, it actually BLOCKS estrogen, but then when you stop taking it, your body cranks out a big burst of estrogen to compensate and that burst of estrogen triggers ovulation.

Just to make this clear for everyone readying, polyps form because of high estrogen, they don't cause high estrogen themselves. Can you have it removed?? My SIL just had one removed and it only took a couple hours - but she is not TTC any time soon. I know you can both get and stay pg with a polyp and also after having them removed, so it may be something to look into.

Do you have a short luteal phase or have you been tested for prog deficiency, or are you just assuming on the basis of the polyp that you're low in progesterone?? I would def. be tested because if you are low in progetsterone, you may need more progesterone support than just Clomid.

I'm not aware of any use of Clomid to prevent preterm birth and actually I've heard Clomid linked to CAUSING preterm births by causing multiples (more likely to be born early.) I would love to read more about that if you have a chance to post a link - nothing relevant comes up on my quick Google search.

(general Clomid info)
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/1191-clomid.html

(swaying while on Clomid)
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/7997-swaying-clomid-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-2-a.html

antidepressants do sway pink, but most are not really safe in early pg. Consult your doctor to see when and how they want you to wean off before pg.

Since you're from IG you may want to read this thread if you haven't already, it tells a bit about how this site is different http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/7507-ig-vs-gd-swaying-whats-difference-who-atomic-sagebrush-anyway.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, thankfully I have had enough problems with MCs (really early) to justify trying clomid, I am seeing a fert specialist right now. Apparently, it raises your estrogen which helps your lining thicken properly for baby, then it raises progesterone to help maintain the pregnancy. I have a problem maintaining, and also a uterine polyp so an extra egg would be great, ti would raise my chances that at least 1 could stick. I am going to push for it, I am almost 36 and have had 5 early mcs that were pretty much chemicals, but the drs here don't recognize 'chemical pregnancy' as a term, either you were pregnant and had a miscarriage, or you were not pregnant, and there is no half way. Lol.

Thanks for the reply. I look forward to getting to know everyone as I plan my sway.

Can you tell me--what is the LE diet? I have never heard of this.

Thanks!

Hmmm...I think you need to talk to your fertility specialist a little bit about the Clomid again because there is some misunderstanding going on. Clomid, because it's an estrogen blocker, is actually not great for lining and many women are prescribed supplementary Estrace (estrogen) while on Clomid to make sure their lining is good. The Clomid itself blocks estrogen for the 5 days you're on it, and then your body rebounds by making a lot of estrogen to compensate, but that's not always enough to make your lining good and you may need the Estrace to help.

The LE Diet is the diet I came up with to be more in line with the best science available. It's safer and many people find it easier to stick to than the IG Diet is. It's available in the Dream Members section along with recipes, meal guides, etc or I can email you a short printable version if you are interested (message me.)

Guidelines for LE Diet are 1500-1800 cals a day, 40-50 g protein, 25-60 g fat (20-30% of your day's cals from fat), 700-1000 mg sodium, 2500-3500 mg potassium minimum, keeping nutrients low by reducing calories, limiting fortified foods, skipping vitamin and mineral supps other than folic acid, and keeping your blood sugar low by skipping breakfast, avoiding snacks, and losing a little weight.

[SweetLily]

Thanks for the reply atomic. I got the info from a 400 page book on conception I picked up at chapters a few days ago...the same one that told me my polyp is caused by high estrogen (which totally makes sense). It says you can actually shrink them/cure them by faking meno for a few months with hormone therapy and then go back to ttc, but the drs are hopefully going to remove mine. I have had 5 chemicals in 2 years, I have 4 kids and have never had issues getting pg so I think that may be it. They are doing a whole panel of blood work, looking for everything from lupus makrers to clotting factors, hormone levels etc and will be doing an HSG right after my next period. I am sure they will figure it out. The problem is, I live in Canada where I may wait 1 year more for the surgery to remove this polyp, and I am NOT willing to wait 1 year to ttc. I am already almost 36. I have a 15 year old, 13, 9 and 3. I dont want to wait forever for last baby (DH only has 1 child, so I am granting him another). But by now I am excited to either TTC NOW or MOVE ON WITH LIFE permanently, KWIM?

I really like the idea of clomid, cause it improves your egg quality (which may be lacking) and increases my chances of 2 eggs, hopefully one of which will NOT implant to the polyp. Its right in the center of my uterus and is 2 cm, so not huge but big enough (thats just under and inch by about the space of 3 letters here. I am really hoping I can just get one to stick, and deal with the polyp after pregnancy.

My hormones are right off, I O bout 3 days early and now at 6 dpo yesterday bloated up like a balloon (I look 4 months preggers, and usually have a flat fit tummy, I dont usually do this til AF day) and my bbs hurt and I am crampy so I have really bad pms already...I am supposed to go for a cd 24 progesterone test--and talk about annoying, first she put cd 21 and when I asked her if she wanted day 21 or 7 dpo, she smirked and said, just to be arbitrary, lets do it day 24--Its like she didnt like that I knew so much about fertility! My cycle isn't going to last until cd 24, I dont know if it will last til monday so I am thinking I need to go get it done today since its friday. Its 7 dpo now anyway, surely she can read the reuslts and know if its normal. I will look up the name of the book, I can't get to it now tho and let you know. its possible the info is a bit dated, I noticed when reading up on the hsg it didn't sound quite like the dr explained so i looked at the date and its from 2000. not THAT old, but certainly not current.

Thanks for your advice and I welcome any more.

[SweetLily]

oh hey, its called getting pregnant, by niels h laurersen, md, phd.

It says, specifically "that it can help decrease risk of mc, preterm labor, and help promote healthier implantaion...thicker endometreial lining makes implantation faster and easier (the higher estrogen causes this) more corpus luteum will quell uterine cramping and help avoid mc and build healthy endo lining...for this reason i often use fertility drugs to treat any patient who history indicates she is suseptible to premature labor or pregnancy loss".

It also cautions against more than 12 months of lifetime use for ovarian cancer reasons, as your articles mention.

thanks again atomic!

[SweetLily]

Oh--I didnt even see this post. Hum...I will have to talk to my specialist. Thanks for the info on the LE diet, the act that its in dream members explains why I cant find anything on it!

[atomic sagebrush]

1)I agree that high estrogen causes polyps, I just wanted to clarify that polyps don't cause high estrogen, it's the other way round. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I totally understand about not wanting to wait a year or more to TTC! My research indicates that many women have had successful pregnancies with polyps so I think you still have a great chance as long as the polyp is not blocking your cervix.

2)Please ask your fertility specialist for clarification about Clomid. I understand that you may not want to take my word on that so please ask your fertility specialist or you can do a Google search, there are tons of sources on the web that will help explain how Clomid really works. I think the people who wrote the book may have been trying to simplify the information -the net result of Clomid IS a burst of estrogen, but it's not the Clomid itself that causes that. It's your body's response to the Clomid - it goes into a panic thinking you have no estrogen, and cranks out a lot of estrogen because the Clomid blocks the effects of the estrogen. I do not know how that would affect a uterine polyp and I would want a straight answer on that from a doctor before I went onto Clomid. Clomid's been around since the 60's, so I doubt the book is dated, but I do think they may have just been offering a simplified explanation for a complicated process. :) Just want you to have the accurate info at your disposal.

3)What do you mean exactly when you say you O early?? People can O on many different days and that may be normal for them. We don't all have the 14 day textbook ovulation. Higher estrogen ~may~ lead to earlier O, but you can still get pg with an earlier O.

4)Hm, your doctor does sound like a bit of a smart aleck, I"m not sure I would like that because your numbers and what day you test on are kind of important. :/ If they'll do it today, that's great.

5)Is there any chance at all you could be pregnant already? Sometimes AF symptoms are actually early pg (bloating, cramping, sore BBs, and moodiness are all right in line with early pg.)

[atomic sagebrush]

oh hey, its called getting pregnant, by niels h laurersen, md, phd.

It says, specifically "that it can help decrease risk of mc, preterm labor, and help promote healthier implantaion...thicker endometreial lining makes implantation faster and easier (the higher estrogen causes this) more corpus luteum will quell uterine cramping and help avoid mc and build healthy endo lining...for this reason i often use fertility drugs to treat any patient who history indicates she is suseptible to premature labor or pregnancy loss".

It also cautions against more than 12 months of lifetime use for ovarian cancer reasons, as your articles mention.

thanks again atomic!

Thank you for posting this.

Do please talk to your doctor/specialist about the effect of Clomid on the lining and/or Google some other sources.

That paragraph is rather misleading. Clomid can def. be detrimental to the lining's development during the first half of the cycle (before ovulation) and you may need to take steps to rectify that (Estrace). Clomid CAN def. help with the corpus luteum, which maintains the lining in the second half of the cycle (after ovulation) but if your lining is not good from the first part of the cycle, it's kind of too little, too late. Again, I just want you to have the best info available so you can make the right decisions for your care.

[SweetLily]

thanks atmoic. all the info is great.

I highly doubt I am pregnant, but I did go buy s few $ tests today....afternoon was bfn, but I am only 7 dpo and peed an hour before. I will try one with fmu tomorrow, I did have that thought too that MAYBE but I think its really unlikely. I did forget my bc one time, but it was 4 days before I O (which was early, cause I usually do on day 15 or 16 and it was day 12, so that is really early for me) and my DH withdrew anyway. So I think its really is not likely that I am KU. I hope I am not--I really want to sway!!!!

I went in for the blood work this morning, and waited 2 hours since I didn;t have an appointment. The clinic finally called back at 3 pm (I called at 8:30) and they said I could take the test on cd 21, which would be sunday. I told her I'd gone in anyway, cause I dont think af will hold out til monday and I am 7 dpo and your progesterone levels are supposed to be highest at 6-7 dpo, then start waning. she told me your progesterone doesnt raise until much later in you cycle, so she said the test probably is screwed but I think they are idiots. any google search will show you 7 dpo is the day to do a progesterone test for best results. she does sound like a smarty pants, and it ticks me off cause I have no say and cant get a different dr. annoying. I guess I should be happy I got into the clinic so quick.

Oh, and they took 12 vials of blood. WOW. Didn't feel faint at all at least...

Will let you know if I happen to get a bfp, but I think my hormones are just out of whack.

Thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

yes, please keep us updated if you have the time - every person's experience is invaluable!!

[SweetLily]

Its been a busy couple of days, I would have gotten back to yousooner but I am e-x-s-a-u-s-t-e-d! been running non stop...

The 8 dpo $ store test was bfn. This morning, at 9 dpo looks pretty bfn, but strangely enough, I can see a faint faint line right around the 10 minute mark. I think its an evap, thos $ tests are notorious. that said, I had major MS yesterday 3 times and could barely stay awake. I have been sleeping really well at night since I have been so tired...which is really weird cause I ahev had an anxiety disorder for months and need pills to sleep, which i have not been taking in prep to TTC in 2-3 months. I am bloated, I look 4-5 months preggers, its embarassing to go around people I know...I am so thin that its soooo noticable...eek!

I really hope the one time that i litterally forgot our bc did not end in bfp, cause I have been taking a drug that causes defects for the last 3 months ( so bad egg quality to be sure) and I had a panic attack on 6 dpo and 8 dpo (yeah, last night...) and I took one of those pills, and I also took a half tablet on 1,2 3 and 4 dpos. Last night I was just so sure since the test was bfn that it was ok and I am just tired and sick from running so hard and stress...but I am starting to wonder.

In any event, I honestly think its just baby lust and my body is messing with me since I am gearing up to ttc in 2 months or so, and its just cause I WANT to be pregnant so bad. I certainly hope that is the case, getting a bfp on those drugs is worrisome, the fert clinic said I should be off them for 3 full months before ttc, my family dr said 6 weeks-2 months is probably enough and that the fert clinic is just being super cautious since I have had so many mcs and they deal with these issues all the time they take no risks.

anyway, if I get a bfp I will keep you posted...my temps are also looking a bit scary, it was low and flat for 6 and 7 dpo, then spiked .20 pts C then spiked another.20 today so I have huge jump marks yesterday and today....if it stays up it will be triphasic.

See, I am just working myslef up into worry here. LOL.

Thanks atomic :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I hope that whatever is best for you and your family, comes to pass! :heart:

I would def. keep testing with temps like that.

Also, try not to worry about the meds too much - obviously it's less than ideal, but even the absolute WORST drugs like Retin A only cause problems some of the time. Most babies born on meds are perfectly normal.