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Sunset

April 16th, 2012, 07:45 AM

Uk SMOG Wannabes ~ April

Hi ladies! Wishing everyone a great April full of bfps and happy healthy bumps!

TTC

Id_Love_Pink 2010 TTC HT poss 2012

Homebirthing princess Me 24, DH 26, 2009,2010 ttc august

HopeandDreamG Me 36, Dh 37, 2006, 2007 TTC now

Lavenderlime Me 24, DP 24 2007, 2009 TTC now

Wishing4pink, 2003, 2009 ttc April 2012

Butterfly

Bettyboo

Sarah

Sixhappysons

Happylea

BFPs!!!!!!

Babymad BFP 23/9 EDD 30/5/12 Due a !

Pinga BFP 10/10 EDD 20/6/12 Due a !

Maybepink3 EDD 22/06/12 Due a !

Charlieispy BFP 22/10 EDD 4/07/2012 Due a !

Zanacal EDD 24/5/12 Due a !

Kell BFP 17/11 EDD 26/07/12 Due a !

Indigoviolet BFP 01/12 EDD 08/08/12 Due a !

Chocolate BFP 22/12/12 EDD 01/09/12 Due a

Littemisswilko BFP 13/12 EDD 17/08/2012

Deaks BFP 6/2/12 EDD 17/10/12

Nini BFP 7/2/12 EDD 17/10/12

SMOG babies due 2012

April:
3rd ~ Inglewood

May:
24th ~ Zanacal
30th ~ Babymad

June:
20th ~ Pinga
22nd ~ Maybepink3

July:
4th ~ Charlieispy
26th ~ Kell

August:
8th ~ Indigoviolet
17th ~ Littlemisswilko

September:
1st ~ Chocolate

October:
17th ~ Deaks and Nini

November:
December:

Cheerleaders

2monkeyboys

Threelittlemenandcounting

Petal - Congratulations on your beautiful baby !!!

Sunset - Congratulation on your gorgeous baby !!!

Mabeybebaby - Congratulations on your beautiful baby !!!!

Inglewood - Congratulations on your beautiful twins!!!

Inglewood

April 16th, 2012, 08:39 AM

Hi all!

Deaks, think the skulls do look different, so FX for some PINK news soon.

Maybe, I was so emotional the past few days, worrying about the twins, worrying about every whimper, colour change... neurotic mother type!! DD1 still has cord and I wish it would fall off poor wee thing. DD2's fell of overnight. So midwife coming later and HV due tom. Registering their births tom at 12, so excited!! Glad ur boy is thriving and hope he does well after tongue tie fixed.

LMW, does sound like ur ok with ur wee boy coming along, Congratulations! x

Hope everyone else is ok? The twins are doing well, 13 days old now! Still so teeny and it's strange after 2 big boys.
LOVING having dh at home, he's fab and helps without a whim and the house has never been tidier!! lol The girls sleep beside each other in a cotbed in our room and dd2 always wakens dd1 by hitting her on the face! so not sure it will last long?

Weighed myself today, have 20lbs to loose! actually happy with that after a twin pg, considering I had 28 and 35lbs to loose after pg with the boys.

maybebabythree

April 16th, 2012, 06:59 PM

Ah inglewood - the image of your twins smaking each other in the face is too cute! Dave was waving his arm around like it was posessed when he was born - he looked at it like 'Ahh!! what is this thing??? it want stop!!! help!! get it away from me!!!' so so cute when they are little. He had his tounge cut today, I can't belive how quick it was, went straight on the boob afterwards. Tomorrow will try and get him to feed as much as I can from me and not from expressed bottle. I was a bit late getting to school so carried him in my arms. I had about 20 people stop me and coo over him. I feel like a million dollars, I was so proud! Lovely feeling, I bet you get that 100 fold with twins! I am sure you will get that for years!

Sunset - I am the master of dis-owning my toddlers mid tantrum! I find it works quite well too as they don't do too many times after I walk off. I am not too good at the patient mumy thing. Always in a rush and no time for hissy fits. Luckly both boys have been quick to realise I mean business but I am sure Dave will be the one to test me. Unfortunatly I have too short a fuse with my kids.

I am not weighing myself atm. GOt horrible ulsers in my mouth which I never get. Presuming its poor diet and b feeding so will try to get my healthy first then start to diet.

x

Sunset

April 17th, 2012, 04:22 AM

Inglewood ~ I cant believe your girls are 13 days old already! i just looked at my own ticker and can't believe my baby is 3 months old... it's just plain scary how fast it goes! I can picture your twins smacking each other in the face :p DD used to do that to herself when she was newborn but i got her a 'swaddle me' which worked wonders :) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Summer-Infant-SwaddleMe-Small-Flutter/dp/B0035ER1F0
with the boys i always used normal swaddle blankets but always found them difficult but the swaddleme is really easy :)

Maybebaby ~ aww I love that you feel a million dollars :D isn't it wonderful when people stop you to coo over baby :) although sometimes when i'm in a hurry somewhere it can be somewhat annoying :p how is he doing today after having had his tounge tie cut yesterday? how's he feeding now? I admire you so much for preservering for so long, because i cant imagine it being easy breastfeeding a baby with tongue tie. You are superwoman! i can't believe it took them so long to do something about it though.. my friends baby had his tongue tie cut when he was 2 weeks old.
trust me, i don't have patient for tantrums. with ds1 i used to walk away and that always worked on him but it doesn't on ds2 so when he decides to throw a wobbler i just pick him and strap him in the buggy and go about my business as usual. it never takes long for him to realise that screaming isn't going to get him any attention.. it's funny because with ds1 i used to think it was so embarrassing when he would through a tantrum out in a public place and i would feel as if people were judging me, but now however with ds2 i'm not faced :)

hello to everyone else, it's very quiet on here these days :(

deaks66

April 17th, 2012, 06:54 AM

Thanks maybe, i forgot all about the april thread! so once again, baby is fine and i found out its definately a boy! There is absolutely no way that that sticky uppy penis is going to turn into a girl... ha ha! Am sad but not as sad as i was with ds2. Will NEVER go there again. Was just chatting to a friend and she has been brilliant....spending the afternoon with her, so that will help! Sorry not to have caught up on posts, promise i will very soon! X

Sunset

April 17th, 2012, 08:10 AM

Petal

April 17th, 2012, 08:15 AM

Hi girls,

Ah maybe, im so glad little Dave is doing well bless him :-)
You really made me laugh about you wanting to take home all the babies on the maternity ward LOl, so funny.
Im up for the lottery trip to Cypus, lets keep buying those tickets!!!

Ah Deaks, did you definatly see boy bits or was it the nub the sonographer was referring to? you never know, 20 week scan may show something different, fingers crossed for you! but big congrats either way on your little bundle :-)

Congrats on your boy LMW, 3 boys really is lovely and as soon as he is born those feelings of sadness (if any) just dissapear :-)

Ive started weaning ds3, he tried so much naughty stuff on holiday (almost every varity of icecream) that the babyrice isnt going down too well haha. He seems to like porridge and loves mashed up carrot, so doing well so far!

Inglewood, god dont worry about your weight! 20lbs will soon fall off looking after 2 little babies!!! i LOVE looking at your pics, bet your boys are loving having sisters, at least they can hold one each, my boys argue over ds3 lol.

Hi to Babymad and Charlie, hope you are both ok :-)
Charlie, your ds3 is soo sweet!! love the pics you put on fb!

Hope you are all enjoying your week! its dull, raining and just miserable here today!

maybebabythree

April 17th, 2012, 08:33 AM

Petal - wow I can't belive you are weaning already - where does the time go? I am not getting into the swing of being off with the kids. DS2 is dressed, I'm not! Need a shower before I pick DS1 up from school. I just can't seem to put baby down atm. Its non stop feeding, pooping and even when he is happy and kicking about I feel the need to hold him. Its sunny in Surrey but with big black clouds looming...

charlieispy

April 17th, 2012, 10:02 AM

AWOL again lol - DH has been off so i barely on the laptop when he is around - too much cleaning to do ;) DS3 is such hard work at the moment lovely but OMG i cant keep up he runs rings round me x still signed off work and started anti d now so hopefully I will start to improve before baby arrives x DH also arranged a suprise baby shower with my mum - had NO idea - probably a very good thing as i wouldnt have gone!! But it actually helped i have never had a shower before so it made this baby seem rather special and my BF came - over a 2hour drive so that made it so amazing x got totally spoilt

Deaks - so glad your scan went well x so sorry you heard boy - baby boy number 3's are lovely (ignore my previous statement ;) ) they are so very caring x

LMW same to you too x so sorry you didnt hear girl - I know once all these babies arrive they will be so loved x

Soooooo who still thinks swaying works LOL not I!! The statistics in this group surely undermine the whole theory of it!!

Inglewood your twinnies are so beautiful am so glad DH is helping you must need that support - cant imagine 2! Although i wouldnt say no to twin girls :P

Maybe - HUGE hugs for tongue tie - ds3 has severe tongue tie but am so lucky it didnt affect his feeding - not sure about speech as he hasnt had it snipped he has a heart shaped tongue though x i really hope it helps with the BF you are such a trooper x

errrrrr got to go ds3 is being a GROTBAG again :( hitting ds2 now.......oh the joys

charlieispy

April 17th, 2012, 10:03 AM

oh i must post my 4d scan pics - they are on FB it was lovely bittersweet but lovely x he looks just like ds2 x

auroara78

April 17th, 2012, 10:14 AM

charlie, i'd love to see your 4d scans! i always think it's neat when siblings look like each other....DS1 and 2 have a somewhat resemblance, and i know this is gonna sound strange, but I think if we did have a girl, and she looked similiar to ds1, she'd be beautiful, because ds1 is very much a pretty boy look, and ds2 looks much more like a little man.

i find out on friday what im having so im either gonna have a trio of little boys or 2 boys and 1 girl. I'm excited but dreading the scan at once.

My thoughts about swaying are that I think it can work, I don't think its a magic bullet or even close to a guarnatee of gender. I also believe you are meant to have who you are meant to have, so no amount of crazy swaying will change the future if a person is *meant* to have boy/girls or boys and girls, etc. But I am so glad I found out about swaying mostly because I met everyone on here and everyone is so supporitve and lovely, it's really nice having a cozy group like this :)

charlieispy

April 17th, 2012, 10:55 AM

FX for you hun x will post some pics asap of the 4dscan x i just think if swaying worked we would have a least a more 50/50 mix of sex on here.....just my opinion am sure if it worked for me i would think otherwise! I totally agree though that you get who you are meant to have I think just have taken it so personally that I didnt get my girl, what did i do wrong, am i a bad person etc etc x

FX we finally hear some pink again on here x

Lavenderlime

April 17th, 2012, 11:43 AM

I've missed so much and have been catching up.

Deaks, LMW and Chocolate congratulations on your boys.

I've decided to stop swaying because it clearly doesn't work. I'm just going to carry on TTC and have to keep my fingers crossed. To be honest I quite fancy another boy as it is now. I had a nice Easter doing boy things like going on steam trains.

I'm just ment to be a boy mum I think and i'm cool with that. Just need to TTC now. On the sunny side the longer it takes then I will have a Spring/Summer baby which would be a lovely change from an Autumn/Winter baby.

Can't believe how much money I wasted on swaying sups and crap over the past 6 months or so. Oh well you live and learn.

Still taking the magnesium as they actually make me feel more balanced.

Hello to everyone and hope your enjoying having yous ds's back at school I know I am lol!

zanacal

April 17th, 2012, 11:56 AM

Sorry you saw boy evidence Deaks but I'm happy to hear you're not feeling too down about it x

I obviously think swaying can work because I'm certain that if I hadn't done it then I'd be pregnant with boy #4. There's a huge element of luck involved too and there's nothing we can do about that! I do think the information Atomic has researched for this site, which is very different to the 'traditional' sway stuff, is amazing and I'd go down 'her' route again if we had another baby (which we won't!!).

Sunset

April 17th, 2012, 02:01 PM

auroara78 ~ good luck on friday! i'll be here stalking the thread for an update :) what does your gut instinct tell you? I can't believe you're 18 weeks already. Are you feeling kicks yet?

Zanacal ~ I too am certain i would have had another son if it wouldn't have been for swaying, but it's like you say - it all comes down to luck. I still haven't quite understood the concept of the LE diet so if we have another baby in the future and if i decide to sway again i'll be doing the IG diet again. I think Atomic once said 'you shouldn't mess with success' :)

Lavenderlime ~ loving your blog :) your boys are so beautiful! how's the business going? are you enjoying it? :)

I still believe in swaying.. i'm probably the only one on here that does.. ? but at the end of the day it's a very long shot and there are never guarantees as we've seen alot on here lately :( Unfortunately with odds you have to have a very, very large group of women to get reliable results... and our lovely little group is not enough to prove or disapprove the theory of swaying.

auroara78

April 17th, 2012, 02:18 PM

My gut tells me girl, but i can't trust that because of my desire, so I am a bit wary to believe it, but I really do think it's a girl, so if it's a boy, you can tell me my gut feeling was wrong.

maybebabythree

April 17th, 2012, 03:28 PM

Hee hee! I wasn't swaying when I conceived Dave (low fertility and swaying = no baby) but tbh I don't belive in it any more - well I do but only that it tweeks your odds by a small %. Maybe 25% not 95% but any tweek in your favour has to be good? I have seen to many EGS girls on IG go for it hard core then get a opersite to belive it with gusto.

I also don't belive in fate. Life is what you make it so I don't belive we are destined to mother just one sex of babies, its just the cards you are dealt on the day. Also it does seem that if you have two or more of one sex then your more likely to have that again. So basically I contradict myself there :rofl: I just don't like the idea my life is set out for me no matter what I do. But then I am the kind of person that belives in going for what you want and getting it, making it happen. Unfortunatly we can't make every dream to come true. Wishing for a DD is no more going to get me that dream than wishing for DH's hair to grow back and he looks like Christain Slater again...... shame on both counts lol!

indigoviolet

April 17th, 2012, 05:17 PM

Maybe- glad the little op for dave went well, hope the feeding starts to improve soon. Great to have so many baby admirers at school, enjoy every minute!

Deaks- so sorry you didn't hear girl, you still have a chance though....I saw enough at my 12 week scan to have serious doubts about this one being a girl which made the 20 week scan so much better as I'd got used to the idea by then and of course now I feel totally fine (mostly!). ((hugs)) though as it is always sad when you have hope and it is dashed. Glad you are feeling ok at the mo though and your friend was supportive, that can really help.

Petal- nice to hear from you :HH:

Charlie- so lovely to have a surprise baby shower, glad you got spoilt, you deserve it hon.

Sunset

April 17th, 2012, 06:17 PM

Unfortunatly we can't make every dream to come true. Wishing for a DD is no more going to get me that dream than wishing for DH's hair to grow back and he looks like Christain Slater again...... shame on both counts lol!

you know, i would love to meet you in real life as i just love your snarky sense of humor! your posts always make me giggle!

Sunset

April 17th, 2012, 06:17 PM

great to hear from you indigo! how are you enjoying your pregnancy? is he kicking much? :)

maybebabythree

April 17th, 2012, 06:27 PM

Sunset - Im actually quite shy and boring...
:wink:

Sunset

April 17th, 2012, 06:36 PM

maybebaby ~ omg i just reread my post and i do apologise about my terrible grammar! had to go back and edit my post it was that bad :rofl: Can you tell I'm super tired and only up at this hour because a certain baby is insisting that now is a good time for a breastfeed *zZz* I have to say though that I can't imagine you as shy, and certainly not boring lol

maybebabythree

April 17th, 2012, 06:39 PM

me too - one windy baby dozing in my arms atm. Wondering whats the point of going to bed sometimes - buts its lovely all the same. I think he might smile soon!

Sunset

April 18th, 2012, 04:11 AM

You're so right, it's very lovely all the same :) especially since we all know the baby months don't last long. Better enjoy it to the full :)

indigoviolet

April 18th, 2012, 05:21 AM

Sunset- glad you enjoying every minute! Yes, little one is kicking away, seems more each day, really loving it at the moment when he is not too squashed (later it gets so uncomfortable with feet digging in my ribs etc). Keeps me awake at night though, I'm worried that he's a night owl as he seems so active then, no sleep for me when he arrives!

How is the business going lavender? Can't wait to make my order!

Sunset

April 18th, 2012, 05:28 AM

Indigo ~ aww, how lovely! I miss the kicks :p

Petal

April 18th, 2012, 08:35 AM

Id love to meet you all, i hope the 'Wells' day happens :-)

I personally dont believe in swaying either, something crazy like 100 million sperm are released each time a man ejaculates so the odds are you can easily get a load of boys or girls in a row. I always think of The Duggars from 19 kids and counting, they had and even mix of boys and girls early on, then 6 boys in a row but then 3 girls in a row so i think if i was prepared to have a ton of kids eventually id get a girl or 2 lol x

Charlie, glad you're starting to feel better, have you got any names ready yet? love all of your boys names :-) x

maybebabythree

April 18th, 2012, 08:43 AM

my pc is going overheat being on maternity leave! I am looking up on Daves dimple and found out some really interesting things. Seems there can be be underlying things which make spina bifida genetic. Thinking about it DH has a few markers for spina bifida! he had a lower back cat scan as a teen so might need to check the results. Aslo spinal dimples and tounge tie are both mid line defects. All very interesting when toying with the idea of another baby. Too much time on pc and not on my ironing!

Find out if DS2 gets into the same school as ds1. Getting ds1 into a good school was a complete nightmare...

maybebabythree

April 18th, 2012, 08:57 AM

Petal - if I had 20 kids im sure ten would be girls. A Dr I saw when I had Dave had 4 boys folowed by 4 girls. Only if that was me I would drop dead from exhaustion before I got to watch them grow up. How does Mrs Dugger cope????!!!!

Petal

April 18th, 2012, 09:09 AM

God, im sat here re-reading my emails to and from dr Savvas i sent in July and working out how much it would cost... WHY do i do this to myself?!?

auroara78

April 18th, 2012, 10:22 AM

I've watched the show enough to see that she has a lot of support from the older kids. It seems the older kids really help raise the younger kids. While I think her amount of children is astounding and nuts, I find the show very fascinating sometimes in regard to gender makeup...i.e the fact they had several boys in a row, and lately, with her maturing age, all the babies have been girls. I think it's a very interesting study of gender ratio actually, and my sister actaully believed this too...she had 1 girl, 4 boys, and she believed if she had kept going she'd have girls again, and eventually the ratio would even out to close or at 50 percent.

But of course most people can't duggar it out these days obviously. My mom is one of nine, and my grandma had 5 boys and 4 girls, and it went BGBGBGBGB. My Dad is one of twelve, and I can't remember his family very well because we are not as close and they live in a different state, but I do remember they had a pretty even mix of gender, with I think it being slightly more girls to boys, though my Dad had at least 4 brothers.

So I def. believe if we all lived in the olden ages on farms and had tons of kids to help us with the farms we'd see a mix of at least some girls to boys, even if there were more boys in that family makeup.

charlieispy

April 18th, 2012, 11:17 AM

Maybe
Interesting info hun - I must fall into that category too - I have 2 kids with bum dimples, one with a Y bum crease, indy has tongue tie, Nico was 1 in 67 risk and Beck had enlarged ventricles in his brain (he has the Y bum crease) and this is also a marker. Crazy when i think about it all!!

charlieispy

April 18th, 2012, 11:20 AM

Petal - DH was meant to be getting the snip when baby arrived - but even he is now saying he doesnt want to x we cant afford another baby let alone PGD but I too have emailled and sent off for pricing - I just cant give up my dream but then I always wanted 4 kids and none after I was 30 - just because i had ds1 at 22 and wanted to do the things i planned to do before we got our miracle surprise when they were older .........

maybebabythree

April 18th, 2012, 12:33 PM

Petal I am looking at going for a crazy mortage at the moment but I can't shift to wish to do IVF. Its more than money at stake though. I bet my life its very draining in every single aspect.

Charlie DS had a larger ventricle as well. I asked about it but none of my doctors understood the US report! Just said if it was a worry they would have mentioned it to me after the scan. I have yet to read all of the info I have found but if it seems to be useful I will post a link 9if that allowed on here?). I think its interesting as it seems this is spina bifida but so far only my midwife has said I need to consider this in future pgs and my sons need to know when they have kids. The doctors don't explain anything, just said its all fine and it should not impact their lifes, which is the best news. However if something is making me produce kids with spina bifida then I think i need to know that. Next time we might not be so lucky. If the dimple was higher up then god knows things might have been very different. The dimple is so deep. I really think if it was a inch or two higher he would be in big trouble. Both times this has not been seen on the ultra sound at 20 weeks. I think they only look higher up on the spine? Its all very interesting.

With regards to the duggers, I already feel like DS1 is going to have to help out for us to cope and I only have three kids. I think its good for him in a way, makes him more caring as he helps with DS2 (Very much his choice right now). My friend at school had 15 siblings (religous reasons). Her and her elder sister both helped raised the younger ones. When the eldest was 16 she got pg basically to escape her life of being a carer. So I think getting the kids to help out in a large family is a good idea but only to certain point. My friends mum was a emotional mess and I think she relied far to heavly on her older girls to do everything for her.

Petal

April 18th, 2012, 12:35 PM

Ah little Dave, bless him. Oh i didnt realise spinda bifida was genetic! Maybe your dh carries a mild gene for it and no one ever knew!
Thats interesting about your doctor having 4 boys then 4 girls! i think most people would stop after 4 in a row so many dont get to find these things out!! blimey, id never cope with 8 kids lol, trying to get 3 out of the door in the mornings without losing my rag is a challenge in itself!!

charlieispy

April 18th, 2012, 12:47 PM

Maybe - so is your MW saying the boys have mild spina bifida?? Although it was highlighted on ours especially Beck as he the enlarged ventricles then the Y bum we were told they didnt have it as they had no physical problems - but worrying if its genetic x

God ds3 has turned into a monster i cant cope with him sod having 19 of them ........

atomic sagebrush

April 18th, 2012, 12:51 PM

If you just have the dimple, then you're not considered as having 'spina bifida' in the true sense of the word. Some kids with the dimple don't have a tailbone and the nerves at the very end of the spine can be exposed, and that can cause some very mild problems with constipation and not being able to control urine as easily as other children.

DS 3 has a deep dimple as well and he does have the constipation issue and also very urgent when he has to wee. None of my other boys have it.

maybebabythree

April 18th, 2012, 12:57 PM

From what I am reading you can have a genetic condition which stops you absorbing certain nutrients which in turn causes spina bifida. That doesn't explain dhs symptoms as I would carry that gene? Also it suggests it could run in siblings as the mums vitamins store do not recover between pgs but I had a four year gap between all my boys so that doesn't seem right either. I will keep reading and see what else I can find.

Sunset I have dyslexia so please excuse all my spelling and grammer. I normally spell check everything I write, but that's a effort on a forum.

deaks66

April 18th, 2012, 01:17 PM

Hi ladies, trying desperately to keep up with messages but also deal with gd feelings, two hyper boys (its ds2's b'day) and letting family know we got ds1's first choice school place...yay!.... my emotions are all over the place! Think dh might be up for pgd as he said today we just have to do one baby at a time. That means he would consider a fourth and i know he would rather do pgd than take the risk naturally. Just wandering where you guys think is the best place to go? need to do research but its helping me get through low times at the moment. Actually dealing ok with idea of ds3 but just not thought of NEVER having a daughter.

auroara78

April 18th, 2012, 01:28 PM

Deaks that is where I think I'm going to be in two days if I hear boy, will love a ds3, but be upset about maybe having a life without raising a daughter.

deaks66

April 18th, 2012, 02:24 PM

Well i have my fx for you aurora! Weird that i know gender of mine and you are a month ahead of me! Girls can i ask how long it took most of you to get to the point where you stopped crying and felt ok with idea of boy all day without having meltdown? Really cant remember with ds2, think it was around 4 days but then i knew for sure that i would get a shot at another baby in the future.

maybebabythree

April 18th, 2012, 02:31 PM

Deaks tbh it took a while, with the pg hormones trown into the mix I think your looking at weeks not days. Some being good and some bad

indigoviolet

April 18th, 2012, 03:09 PM

Maybe- have you heard from the school? I hope ds2 gets in as well.

Deaks- I was the same, fine in a way having ds3 but can't let go of idea of a daughter. I hope you keep feeling a little better each day.

It's funny how we all think the same things.

Charlie- I was about to say the exact same thing as petal that I love all your boy's names. Might ask if I can maybe use one of them for ds3?

maybebabythree

April 18th, 2012, 03:13 PM

Deaks - where did you get the sex confirmed? The two best clinics I know (fetal medicine at Harley St and Dr Penman in Kent) would not want to sex with 100% accuracy at 13 weeks. I know Harley St do get it right at 12ish weeks but they are the best of the best AND only give people a guess - they don't offer it as a service (I only know they get it right as a aside as I have been looking into early tests for downs and spina bifida. I wasn't looking for early sexing. BTW Dr Penman in Kent is the person for that - even he waits till 16 weeks). Sorry just being nosey. I just think its still too early to say for sure. Not to give false hope or anything like that. I just think its going to involve a lot of inaccuracy.

deaks66

April 18th, 2012, 03:18 PM

Thanks indigo and maybe... so glad i have you all, its such support! Cant believe i know gender at 14 weeks, god this pregnancy is going to last forever! Been looking at pgd tonight and its a minefield! Wouldnt have any idea where to start and the procedure is hardcore hey?! Trouble is with dh never here in the evenings, being left to my own devices is dangerous...need to stay away from the computer!

maybebabythree

April 18th, 2012, 03:19 PM

Indiogo - just found out ds2 got in!!! SOOOO happy!!! Love that school! PHEW....

I wanted to copy one of Charlies DS names too! Funny as our boys could be in the same class with the same name and if I didn't know you IRL we would have thought it was small world to have two sets of three boys and share a name ;¬)

BTW just found out dh has these spine dimples too! Coincidence? I think not!

deaks66

April 18th, 2012, 03:21 PM

maybebabythree

April 18th, 2012, 03:42 PM

I didn't think the nub theory was so well known. I had my downs scan at 13 weeks and tbh I knew it was a boy then (too many years on IG) but saying that I would not have bet my house on it being a boy IYKWIM? I think that once you know for 100% sure and buy some things and think about what baby will look like in them and what baby will be like you will feel so much better. Right now its just feelings of it's not my DD, but soon that will change more to - this is my son, I wonder will he look like the boys? Will he like what they do? What colour will his hair be? What will he be like? Once you start to think about the baby as a person as it gets more real I think you will feel so much better. They don't really feel real at this stage as there is no bump or kicks, just the poop things like sickness and tiredness. Nothing nice to counteract that yet.

deaks66

April 18th, 2012, 03:46 PM

indigoviolet

April 18th, 2012, 04:17 PM

Aww Deaks hon, it is hard when dh is away a lot, gives you time to brood (I have the same problem). I agree with maybe though that once you get into the 2nd trimester it will be more like a real baby and your lovely son. Give yourself a break and a bit of time, you WILL feel better and get through this and love your little man to bits. I know the desire for a daughter, we all do, but it is also so good to have people like petal and maybe who have got through it and show us that it is possible to have a 180 degree turn in how they felt. And at the moment I can say the same for me, I feel at peace about my new boy and have lost a lot of the desire for a daughter, just trying to focus on now and enjoying the pg. we are here for you and moan away but it will get better :HH: the news is still raw for you.

Maybe- that would have been so funny with the name thing! Even if we had never put 2 and 2 together and realised our boys were at the same school, our boys will be in the same class (and could have had the same name) and we might never have known the connection! SO glad ds2 got into the school, what a relief.

Petal

April 18th, 2012, 04:59 PM

LOL, i was thinking the other day that if i ever had another boy that id nick one of charlies names hahaha, i like her ds3's name, suits her little boy so much :-) hes adorable!

Glad all your boys got into their schools! We had 6 months to wait to hear if ds1 got into the right high school and thank god he did, such a worry, and we r out of catchment!

Oh deaks, it will get better i promise you!! you are still in the early stages and as soon as your little bump grows and you feel him wriggling around you will know he is there for a reason!! he's your little boy and you're his mummy :-) that bond will be there before you know it!! big hugs :-))

Ive been thinking of pgd again today, one minute i think how the hell can i justify spending all that money and no guarentee but then i think why shouldnt we go for it? you only get one life..... i dunno x

maybebabythree

April 18th, 2012, 06:51 PM

Petal - such a hard question - long time dead I say. But then I look at all the failed cycles too

pinga

April 18th, 2012, 10:34 PM

Hey Deaks - the tears will stop. I am ok with bump being DS3. I still occasionally feel a bit overwhelmed at the thought that I'm not having my girl... but just feel kind of sad rather than tearful. Its not very often now.
I am really excited to meet our little boy. I'm hoping this one has DHs lovely dark hair... then I have my multicoloured boys - already have a blonde and a red.

Petal - how much did dr savaas say for PGD? I would love to consider it. DH says another child would be my choice - he would be happy either way. But it isn't really my choice. It would be my doctors - depends what is going on with my kidneys and liver. Don't want to risk my health... I want to be there for them. Might talk to my nephrologist when I get further down the track... but think he would advise against it.

maybe - sounds like your becoming something of an expert on spina bifada. Its good that it all seems to be very mild. I'm terrible with the internet - I can spend hours researching something like that!!!

nothing much to report here... just getting rounder and more tired :)

maybebabythree

April 19th, 2012, 05:42 AM

Pinga I would need to consider my health if I have another with my history of high bp. No one has told me not to have any more, they just give the impression its not the best idea. I have my six week check today so will see when I can stop my bp pills. If I can't shake this broodyness and have another then I will have to lose some weight. I guess with your issues there is nothing you do to get more healthy. I did at one point after having Dave think I was going to have a stroke because of all the fuss being made. Unfortunatly I forget that too quickly when I need to realise I have three kids that need me healty. I hope your broodyness goes and you don't feel the need for another. But if not then seeking some honest medical advise is very wise. I am a bit stupid in that I would not ask my Doctor if I shouldn't have any more for the sake of my health, I think I already know the answer. I might be brave and ask today but he will roll his eyes at me. He already thinks I'm nuts I'm sure.

deaks66

April 19th, 2012, 06:43 AM

Petal, indigo and maybe, thanks so much for your messages last night, they really made me feel much better and i went to bed in a much better state and slept well (until ds1's night talking started up, waking ds2 eventually...urgh!). Today i feel a bit better and though toddler group this morning was full of gorgeous tiny girls, i coped well and just felt a bit sad rather than it all being totally too much and wanting to leave. A definate step forward. DH also promises to be home early tonight so we talk... dont feel things are great between us at the moment even taking ds3 out of the equation.

After all my pgd research i came away wandering how many people who really want a dd actually go ahead with it all. Obviously its dead expensive but also how do people get their heads around the process. I thought it would be a case of taking pills to sort your cycle out but its needles! I guess the idea just seems overwhelming but once you get on track with it, its just a step by step process that you follow. Petal are you really thinking of going ahead with it and where do you think you will choose?

Hope you are all well today. Pinga and maybe, must be hard the extra pressure of health worries impacting your decision of whether you will try for another. Mind you sometimes i wander whether if the decision was taken out of my hands it might be easier to come to terms with it. Probably doesnt work like that though!

2monkeyboys

April 19th, 2012, 07:06 AM

Hi ladies,
Hope you are all okay today. Sending hugs out to all that need one (((hugs)))
Glad most of you seem to have got your first choice schools. I got my second choice although my first was a long shot as it was a nice little village school which I'm just out of catchment for. Tbh the schools around here are nothing great to get excited about and you do seem to only ever get your catchment ones. The 2 nearest to me are certainly not the worst but I chose the one that I'd heard better things about and with the other although a catholic school (my dp and boys are RC) bullying issues just kept coming up. Anyway put my choices in by the cut off date and then bugger me the better school had an ofsted report in Feb and has been put in special measures!! I read the report and it was so bad :( . It seems that all the good reports I'd heard was because all the kids do love the school but they were behind on where they should be for their age and the parents weren't informed of what should be expected of them in terms of progress. On the bright side though at least now they have had that massive slap I'm the face and a detailed report on the areas in which they are failing which seem to be everywhere they will sort it out with extra help thrown at them. Even talk of it becoming an academy although I'm not sure what that means or how it will work. Didn't help that the head teacher, deputy head and chairman of governing body all left at the same time in autumn term last year. They will get a new head starting In sept so hopefully the school will really pick up now they know they are on the radar. I'm still ok about ds1 going there as my main importance was him to enjoy school. My nephew went to an 'outstanding' ofsted reported catholic school and has had a very unhappy time at school :(
Maybe, hope dave is now flying with his feeding!
Pinga, how cool would multicoloured boys be! I have red hair but both my boys are sort of light brownish I suppose. My dp is pretty dark as he is half Italian and ds2 is spitting image of him as a child so think he will go darker. Are you on fb as I'd love to see your boys.
Love to everyone else xxx

2monkeyboys

April 19th, 2012, 07:11 AM

So glad you are feeling a little better deaks. Hope you have a good chat with your dh and he is supportive and understanding. Xx

maybebabythree

April 19th, 2012, 07:58 AM

2Monkeys I was turned down for all three of my choices for DS1. I live tbh in very nice village (don't own this house mores the pity) and I was offered a failing school (closed twice in ten years and on special measures) but the reason was it the area it in. The parentd fight outside the school. The kids fight at the school. Violence was mentioned on the ofsted report! Needles to say he was NOT sent there!! I had a feeling they was trying to pull good parents in to bring the standards up and I wasn't having my kid going there. I went to one of the worst 15 schools in England. I have a degree, my sister has a degree, her best friend has a masters and her two brothers both have phd's - one from Cambridge and one Oxford. As long as the school is good enough and a child wants to work they will do just fine.

Deaks me and Petal have looked at genesis in Cyprus. All you need to do before the cycle is have some blood work and scans then fly over. They do all the meds and can even inject you! But yes its a nasty expensive experience. You can email them - the doctor is lovely. I think its a nice dream for me and keeps the feelings of never having a dd away. But in reality I don't think I will ever do it. I feel so much better about not having a dd now. Yes I still want one but not so much. Some days I think good god never again and on the good days I think I can handle four kids! Did you ever see a documentary on pdg a year or so back? Showed a few ladies from IG (it was called five boys wanting a girl or something like that). One of the IG ladies was shown doing pdg. That did make me think I could never do it. But I guess if you took it one day at time it would be do-able. But not if you don't like needles! I can't see myself injecting everyday!

deaks66

April 19th, 2012, 09:02 AM

Deaks me and Petal have looked at genesis in Cyprus. All you need to do before the cycle is have some blood work and scans then fly over. They do all the meds and can even inject you! But yes its a nasty expensive experience. You can email them - the doctor is lovely. I think its a nice dream for me and keeps the feelings of never having a dd away. But in reality I don't think I will ever do it. I feel so much better about not having a dd now. Yes I still want one but not so much. Some days I think good god never again and on the good days I think I can handle four kids! Did you ever see a documentary on pdg a year or so back? Showed a few ladies from IG (it was called five boys wanting a girl or something like that). One of the IG ladies was shown doing pdg. That did make me think I could never do it. But I guess if you took it one day at time it would be do-able. But not if you don't like needles! I can't see myself injecting everyday!

Genesis does seem to be the one that everyone is most positive about from what i can read at the moment but are there still queries about whether pgd is illegal in south cyprus? I have no fear of needles its more the fact that the process seems long, complicated and tiring (not to mention expensive), without guarentee and you could be left feeling VERY disappointed. But then the alternative is no dd! Is genesis cheaper than the ukcfa route? and are there any stats for success rates for each? Feel like if i was to ever do pgd, id quite like to get it all researched and sorted in my head before ds3 arrives, then enjoy his babyhood having put it to rest and see where i am 6-months to a year after he is born. If the desire for dd is still there i could then just go ahead with it already sorted in my mind.

deaks66

April 19th, 2012, 09:09 AM

2 monkeys, glad you at least got your second choice school. And i firmly believe that ofsted reports should be taken very much with a pinch of salt. I see it time after time where i live that for a few years a school has a brilliant ofsted report for them only to sit on their laurels and slowly decline again while other school with less success with ofsted strive to improve and become great within a couple of years. Sounds like if the children there are happy, once they get an established senior team going again, things will pick up. Better than a school with renound bullying issues for sure!

Sunset, did you accept the place you were given as i know you werent impressed?

2monkeyboys

April 19th, 2012, 10:28 AM

Sorry, looking back i see that no one had really put about school placemants on here, ive got it confused with fb as everyone seemed to get their first choice on there. See what I'm like with who's written what!!!
Wow, what a bright lot your family are maybe! Definitely goes to show doesn't it. That school you mentioned sounds horrendous. If my choices were like that I'd definitely have to move or rent ours and rent elsewhere. I always worry about the bullying as that is just the worst thing for kids and my ds1 a very sensitive little man. Anything else really with the literacy and numeracy I can help him with at home. Just seemed typical for the timing especially as I sort of had to fight a little with dp's parents as they are church going Roman Catholics and expected the boys to go to their parish linked school. Luckily my dp doesn't go to church anymore and isn't really fussed (also still on best behaviour!) :)
You are definitely right deaks with what you said. Better for it to be pointed out rather that cruising along just being satisfactory and not bothering to improve standards and maybe letting them slowly slip during ds1's time there.
Just looked back on your fb sunset as I missed your post about your school offer, or not as the case is! Omg how awful for you! Was there any reasoning for the decisions? Don't blame you for asking what is wrong with this country!

maybebabythree

April 19th, 2012, 10:35 AM

Deaks I don't think GD has sucess rates by clinic on here yet. Best to ask NBP. PM her or post in the high tech area. You might need to join up to see some of the HT forums. I find it all confusing trying to work out what anyones chance is at any clinic. Genesis as far as I can tell is legal as its on the right side of Cyprus (could be totally wrong there) HRC is the same price as Genesis but by the time you add on the flights to the US and the stress of getting there AND getting the meds (Genesis post them to you - with the US you have to source them which is more expensive). If it's going to work anywhere then from my years on IG it's going to work at HRC but at a massive cost (three cycles at about 10k each seems the adverage to get a BFP). With Genesis the second round is discounted. But again another thing to weigh up is that it doesn't matter how cheap it is if it's not going to work. Your right too, swaying then failing is hard, imagine paying 35k out of your kids future and failing - how much is that going to hurt? There are so many things to think about with high tech and this whole wanting a DD business. Hard questions but you have to ask yourself how much money and emotionaly you can personally risk. Nothing can gaurantee anyone a DD. You can gaurantee no more boys easy, but gauranting a DD is not a option for anyone however much money they have (unless they can buy a child via adoption of course!). On the face of it pdg seems the easy answer but it's not. My friend has one child. She paid once for one shot at IVF just to get a second child. It failed and they never tried again. You have to ask yourself why. Have a look on the HT forums as its the best place to start x

maybebabythree

April 19th, 2012, 11:16 AM

2monkeys - I wish I was brainy! My sister has the brains with the maths degree. Her friend with two brothers with the phds are amazing considering they went to our school. Imagine having three kids educated to phd and masters level when you and dh worked in factory all your life. I think its amazing. They are all such a credit to their parents. Lovely, lovely people.

Right I am on here way to much. Been to doctors and was asked about the contraception question. Told him it depends who gets in first, dhs snip or my hormones. Dr laughed at me! He thinks i am going for a football team :¬) Oh I hate hormones..........

charlieispy

April 19th, 2012, 11:27 AM

hey ladies x thanks for all the lovely comments about the boys names - i have never 'liked' boys names so thats probably why I spend so long finding ones I do like - they all have meaning behind them too x we have a boys named pencilled for this one with a nice meaning x although i would much rather be using my girls name!!

PGD - like i think maybe said its a dream for me - keeps me going i suppose i hope that it will keep me going till i can accept i will never have a daughter. I dont think morally for me I totally agree with it but if i had the money burning a hole in my pocket then I would be tempted just by my need for a girl. This baby has been hardest as we always said NO more than 4 practically, physically, financially it needs to be our last but to accept i will never ever hold my baby girl at the moment is just too much to face.

Kell

April 19th, 2012, 12:59 PM

Hi guys, it's been a while since I was last on (don't appear to have been missed lol)
Had a manic month or so!

Lmw, sorry u didn't hear girl hun, Im pleased u seem to be ok with things and glad to hear dp is being supportive :)

Deaks sorry to u also, still have my fingers crossed for a little pink miracle at 20week scan. How was your holiday?

Maybe aww it poor little man, hope alls well with u both! And that he's feeding ok!

Aurora is it scan tomorrow? Or has it been already? Good luck if it's tomorrow! I had a gut feeling this little lady was a girl, but like u wasn't sure if it was instinct or gd talking!

Inglewood, Awww the way u describe the girls melts my heart :) what precious princesses! I'm not on fb so still haven't seen them! Can't believe there two + weeks old!

Sunset love your new picture of little miss! She's so cute! :)

Welcome to the new ladies :)

Afm well I've just finished my exams this week, feeling quite positive about chemistry but not so much about psychology :S time will tell I guess!
Pregnancy is going fine, I'm tired alot :( but nothing too bad that I can't cope. I'm looking at pre schools for ds2 at the minute, I want to get him settled into somewhere before Lily arrives so he doesn't feel pushed out by her arrival. Other than that everything's pretty normal and boring really! The puppies are all gone except the one we are keeping, and my friend is collecting hers this weekend so life is starting to get back to normal, just how I like it lol

Sorry if I've missed anyone. :S my brain is a mess at the moment!

deaks66

April 19th, 2012, 01:22 PM

Lovely to hear from you kell! and we did miss you i promise! Glad your exams over, now you can relax especially with all the pups except one being gone too!

Lavender (or anyone else who remembers) - what was that website that you mentioned that sells the painted victorian iron bedsteads?

deaks66

April 19th, 2012, 01:27 PM

Thanks for the advice maybe. Not sure pgd is for me but we'll see! Cant hurt thinking about it X

Petal

April 19th, 2012, 01:28 PM

Deaks, i dont know if we would definatley do pgd, i like to think its a possibility one day. Its such a big decision to make, i do feel guilty that i should be happy with what i have got, 3 healthy children!! and i know how some couples struggle to conceive and how lucky we are, but my dreams are my dreams, i cant help or change them, its just a case of wether we act on them! Some people want to travel, some want a flash car, others a huge house.... i want my girl!!! everyone has dreams of some decription, ours are just not spoken about as openly as saving for a house deposit lol.
I dont know if i could do the injections, i guess i would have to! then again i think of couples who cant conceive that do ivf, they do all the same stuff without the gender selection bit, they do what ever if takes to get a baby, so if they can do it, so can i!!! I also worry about the failureand how id cope with losing all that money,and how it could have been better spent!!

Maybe, Deaks and Charlie.. if money was no issue would you definatly do it? and how many embrio's would you put back in?
x

deaks66

April 19th, 2012, 02:04 PM

Petal, yes that is exactly how i feel about it down to a T! As for your question, its a tricky one but i think i would have to go for two being put back in! twins after 3 boys would be mental but i would 100% rather increase my chances of any pregnancy than avoid a multiple... i think lol! How about you?

deaks66

April 19th, 2012, 02:10 PM

oh and if money was no issue, i think i would do it. Morally i actually dont have too much of an issue with it (though thats probably a debate best avoided!) And financially, i am fortunate (in some respects :() to have some inheritance to spend that we decided to keep aside until we knew what to do with. But will i do pgd with it?.. that would be a toughie to decide.

charlieispy

April 19th, 2012, 03:04 PM

If I had the money I think i would do it!! I would do 2 embies just to improve the chances - I dont think we will ever have the money or the space for more babies though :(

deaks66

April 19th, 2012, 03:20 PM

If I had the money I think i would do it!! I would do 2 embies just to improve the chances - I dont think we will ever have the money or the space for more babies though :(

Would your dp be up for it too? Must be so much easier to commit to if both of you are really up for it. My dh would never be totally up for it but i think he could be swayed to go along with it if i told him how much it meant to me. Not sure thats the kind of pressure i want to put on my marriage though.

maybebabythree

April 19th, 2012, 04:33 PM

Kell I missed you too xxx its to quite on here right now.

Maybe, Deaks and Charlie.. if money was no issue would you definatly do it? and how many embrio's would you put back in?
x

Yes if money was no issue I wouldn't think twice. I would deal with the pain etc each day as it came. I've had three so surely I could cope with that. Morally I have no objections to it, but probably best not to think to long about that. I guess I should donate my spare embies but the though that they might go to some one I don't know, hmm not sure. It's just the same as some types of the pill that basically abort every month. I could afford to do three rounds at HRC right now. But its a deposit for a house. Four kids in this house wouldn't work long term.

I would put back two in the hope for one. Honestly could not carry twins to term pretty sure of that. I'm 38 too so pretty sure my odds are slim of it working. Was considering getting the blood tests in a few months and if blood work was bad that in a way would be good as it lays that option to rest. But yes if someone handed me my DD on a plate I would bite there hand off!

maybebabythree

April 19th, 2012, 04:36 PM

Would your dp be up for it too? Must be so much easier to commit to if both of you are really up for it. My dh would never be totally up for it but i think he could be swayed to go along with it if i told him how much it meant to me. Not sure thats the kind of pressure i want to put on my marriage though.

My DH would do it for me, but if was to explain to him what it involved he would object on moral grounds I think (we have talked about it but never seriously). Thing is I can bend him round - but like you don't think thats fair on him. Can see us a divorce court one day and all this coming out!

Sunset

April 20th, 2012, 04:11 AM

Sunset, did you accept the place you were given as i know you werent impressed?

The school system in this country is a right joke! We didnt get any of our choices so were left to pick at the scraps so to speak. We were offered a place at 2 schools, one which is a complete dump. I more or less laughed at the lady when she tried to persuade us to accept a place there. Seriorusly are the joking? I rather drop everything and move back to sweden than have my son go to a bad school just because the school system in this country is so bloody flawed. I think it's unacceptable how some parents can get their first choice and other parents don't get any of their choices. This system only works if all parents can be guaranteed a place at one of their 3 choice of schools, you simply cant have some get their wish while other, like me, has to make a super rushed decision over the phone or else "the places may be gone by monday". We have accepted a place at the "better" school out of the 2 we were offered but i am by no means going to sit back and accept the situation. Firstly we are going to appeal, but knowing england that won't come to anything. I'm going to book a meeting at the school with the teachers and if possible put ds1 in at their nursery, but if i dont like the school then there's no choice other than to move area and possibly even country. I'm sorry to rant but i'm so angry with the whole situation it's unebelievable! I used to have alot of respect for this country but all that just disappeared over night and it now makes sense to me why uk has the most unhappy children in europe. rant over lol

maybebabythree

April 20th, 2012, 05:18 AM

charlieispy

April 20th, 2012, 08:23 AM

Would your dp be up for it too? Must be so much easier to commit to if both of you are really up for it. My dh would never be totally up for it but i think he could be swayed to go along with it if i told him how much it meant to me. Not sure thats the kind of pressure i want to put on my marriage though.

He was the one who brought it up again! I think we are both gutted he has admitted he doesnt understand the grief and the compltete despair but he does want a daughter but wouldnt risk having to go through GD again x he said the only way we would ever have anymore children is through PGD otherwise no more. He isnt getting the snip anymore......although he is a dreamer - we dont have the money and we dont have the room so its a very long way off dream!!

charlieispy

April 20th, 2012, 08:25 AM

sunset - so sorry you didnt get your school choices x when we moved we moved to a town with good schools so we are lucky that our choices for first school wasnt too stressful secondary school will be hard as the one I want is hard to get into x

hope you manage to get somewhere - also its worth phoning at the beginning of school year or if you can get your name down as i have heard often they dont get the intake they expect as parents fail to tell them they havnt chosen that school x

zanacal

April 20th, 2012, 12:23 PM

There have always been less children in my boys' classes by the time the term actually starts and then others join part way through the year - here's hoping it works out that way at your preferred school/s sunset.

maybebabythree

April 20th, 2012, 12:41 PM

Yes - If you make sure you keep your name on the waiting lists (they take you off after a while unless you say otherwise - you need to check your countys rules) I was 2nd on my ds1 first school waiting list and my neighbour was 15th. She eventaully got in and I decided not to take my offered place. Not ideal moving them mid term but its good to keep all options open. You can always say no to a place later. I honestly had ds1 name down at 15 schools. It paid off too!

auroara78

April 20th, 2012, 12:43 PM

Well I'm sure some of you already saw it, but i thought I'd share it here too, I'm having a :DD: !!

deaks66

April 20th, 2012, 01:09 PM

Well I'm sure some of you already saw it, but i thought I'd share it here too, I'm having a :DD: !!

Congratulations hun, that is wonderful! i cant imagine what a great feeling hearing those words must be! X

auroara78

April 20th, 2012, 04:16 PM

It was one of the most surrealist moments in my life. I had been hoping to hear that for a while now, and I am still in disbelief. I keep checking the U/S pics to verify its a girl and there's no hidden penis anywhere...lol...I just can't seem to get through my skull that it's happened!

Petal

April 20th, 2012, 04:18 PM

Congrats Auroara!!!!! fab news!! you must be totally ever the moon!!! Have you got anything pink yet?

Deaks.. I have some inhereitance too, but we should pay off our credit card lol. I keep mentioning 'Cyprus' to dh, he just rolls his eyes and kind of laughs which it fine by me as its not a NO :-) Im not sure how many embrio's id use, id worry if i had twins people would put 2 and 2 together and know id done ivf lol. Theres a lady on the pgd thread has just found out shes pregnant by Savvass (well not BY him) lol. She had 4 put back in!!! so he seems to be working his magic :-) x

indigoviolet

April 20th, 2012, 04:33 PM

deaks66

April 20th, 2012, 04:49 PM

Congratulations Aurora, that's wonderful news! Enjoy every minute!

Good night all, am off to bed, so tired. Been at work today and last 2 nights ds2 (out of the blue & not like him at all) up for several hours shouting and crying in the night. there is nothing obviously wrong with him and nothing I can do (apart from sleep in his room which I won't do) will make him happy. He's been sleeping worse since going on hols and now is in a bad habit of waking and can't put himself back to sleep. Hope this phase passes soon as I'm exhausted. Any tips?

lots of love to you all, catch up tomorrow :HH:

Indigo, i have been going through the same with ds2 for about a month (apart from during our holiday where he was zonked out at night!). Last night, dh and i decided we had to be firm and let him cry it out. It wasnt pleasant and took some time but eventually he did go off. Think we are going to stick with it now....will let you know if it works and how long it takes! X

deaks66

April 20th, 2012, 04:51 PM

maybebabythree

April 20th, 2012, 05:10 PM

Yay! Congratulations Auroara! Someone had to heard girl at some point! Did you do the LE diet?

auroara78

April 20th, 2012, 09:17 PM

I did a combo LE and IG diets, prob not the best strat, but most sensible for me. I kept the LE low everything diet things in mind, but did consume an awful lot of low or non fat diary, incl. non fat Greek yogurt and I had a no salt peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch (I was a big meat person, and a very thin spreading of peanut butter helped me stay full-ish without consuming meat).

charlieispy

April 21st, 2012, 05:55 AM

CONGRATS hun how amazing for you x

ooooh i have girl jealously today they are everywhere!!!

Babymad

April 21st, 2012, 03:56 PM

Hi...

Littlemiss ~ Congrats on your little man :) hope you ae doing ok x
Deaks ~Congrats too on your little man, do think it's very early to know for sure though x
Auroara ~ Congrats on your little girl - enjoy x

Hi to everyone else :)

indigoviolet

April 21st, 2012, 04:21 PM

Deaks- weird how they go through these phases. I decided last night I'd go in 3 times to see /settle him and then that'd be it and i'd ignore him. He did settle eventually but it is so hard to hear the crying. I can literally do nothing to help him sleep so I realised there is no point me being there and he has to learn to settle himself. I hope he learns quickly. there is no way I could do this once baby comes, I have been so tired and grumpy today.

Hope you are all having good weekends.

Nice to hear from you Babymad- how are all the pg symptoms going? Still struggling? I hope you are able to get come help at the weekends.

My DH is running in the London marathon tomorrow, he had to go off this evening so I'm feeling a little lonely. Also so nervous for him, I'll be biting my nails tomorrow.

Night ladies :HH:

Inglewood

April 22nd, 2012, 05:06 AM

Congrats Auroara!! xx

Hello everyone, just popped on to read ur posts and see how Auroara got on, will write later. x

maybebabythree

April 22nd, 2012, 07:09 AM

Good luck to your DH Indigo. My sister ran it two years back and I often go p to see it as her friends from her hockey club often run it. She did get in this year as well but had to delay till next year. Its amazing!

threelittlemenandcounting

April 22nd, 2012, 04:24 PM

Hello Ladies Finally managed to catch up, life is so busy as always but pleasantly so, we are trying to get our house ready for an extension in the summer so gradually trying to sort and sell stuff. We will have 4/5 beds once its finished but one bedroom will be downstairs!

LMW Congrats on your little man!
Aurora Congrats on your little girl!
Deaks Congrats on your little man too!

Cant believe how fast all your little ones are growing, petal weaning already!!

Love to you all xxxxx

pinga

April 22nd, 2012, 09:28 PM

Congratulations auroara... you must be delighted.

How did your DH doin the Marathon Indigo? I did it about 8 years ago and ooooh its such a long way! My DH is into it too. Takes it much more seriously than I ever did! I miss running. Hoping I can get back into it fairly quickly after bubs - might just be too exhausted :D

Charlie - I know what you mean by having days where there seem to be girls everywhere. Had a 3yr old birthday party yesterday and most of the kids were girls. The other mums all sit there talking about where they bought that dress etc... I hadn't even changed Ernie from his combats and t-shirt. Just feel so out of their world - I'm the only one of my friends with more than 1 boy and most of them only have girls. They were asking if I know what I'm having. I've been lying and saying its a surprise. All I want to say is... look I honestly don't want to talk about it at all! Came home and had a good cry.

Sorry to be such a downer. I just really don't get to talk about it with anyone IRL and I feel like I'm going mad somedays. Then I feel so horridly guilty for my poor little baby.

Anyways - hope the rest are you are doing well... x

Kell

April 23rd, 2012, 05:24 AM

I love to run, it's so relaxing and freeing :) I never got to marathon distances tho :S

Aurora huge congratulations :)

Pinga, I'm sorry you felt down, there's probably some relation to it being so close to meeting your little man, I really hope you are feeling ok today

deaks66

April 23rd, 2012, 07:14 AM

Pinga, i know exactly how you feel. All my friends have at least one dd and it is so hard listening to them and watching them sometimes. I too want to cry. I wish i was in your boat where you are so close to meeting your little man as he will melt your heart and that is what we all need to help us through this!

Sunset

April 23rd, 2012, 07:43 AM

Well I'm sure some of you already saw it, but i thought I'd share it here too, I'm having a :DD: !!

Your gut instinct was right! :cheer: Big Congratulations hun!! I am so so happy for you! :D :D did you get some u/s pictures to show us?

Sunset

April 23rd, 2012, 07:50 AM

Hey everyone! apologising again for being so absent these days, but i'm going through one of my reading phases lol so not much time for me to sit on the computer. poor hubby hardly gets to see me these days as i always have my head stuck in a book :rofl: Hope you're all doing well and all those lovely smog bumps/babies are growing well :)

Sunset

April 23rd, 2012, 08:06 AM

sunset this was me four years ago - I had to drive past my first two choices to go five miles away to a school in bad estate. I would gp on direct gov uk and look at every school within ten miles of you and get your name on their waiting list asap. You can then pick and choose as places come up. Apeals at this age are very hard to win. There is a lot of movment in the waiting lists so make sure you are on the list for all three of your choices. I went to appeal and only one out of 15 won as her dd was under a child protection act. Let me know if you need any advice, but seriously get on the phone now to get on waiting lists (if your council works like ours - I hope) aslo I am on the border of three counties so I applied across all three. Let me know if you need any help

Thank you!! it is so hard to know what to do in such a situation as this and especially since it's my first child in school and i have no experience with the school system here. hubby however is english so he's a bit more in the 'know'. from what the school has told us to which he attends nursery at the moment their waiting list is a year apparently, but i know of a woman who's lives just around the corner from the school and has been trying to get her daughter into the school for the past 2 years so i can't see how the waiting list can be a year?? i just feel so helpless and frustrated with it all... it's just so wrong the whole thing.. he's 3 years old, has been to nursery now for over a year and has established friendships with the other children and trust bonds with the teachers there, so to me that all the kids are gonna be split up and uprooted like this is unbelievable! they should have priority to the school because they attend nursery there, it's as simple as that! aaargh! but thank you so much for your advice, i will contact my second and third choice of school as well and put him down on the waiting list :)

charlieispy

April 23rd, 2012, 11:51 AM

pinga huge hugs x i am the same making out I dont know what I am having.........cant bring myself to say it havnt even told my sisters......am dreading having to announce HIS arrival :(

Hugs to you deaks too x I know we will love our LO but it isnt the same as that icing on the cake of it being a girl - even harder if it is your last baby and last chance too. Are you still looking at buying the farm house sorry if i missed anything on that x

waves to all x am so bloody tired at the moment ds3 is just WOW lol

deaks66

April 23rd, 2012, 12:42 PM

Hi charlie, it really sucks feeling like this day in day out, just wish someone could wave a magic wand and make me not care less for a dd! I have started dropping it into conversation that i am having a ds but only if someone says oooo maybe you are having a girl. I just cant stand the thought of them feeling hopeful for me.

As for the farmhouse, no we decided living in the countryside isnt for us after all, at least not until our kids are older. I am seriously contemplating putting the money towards pgd but it feels like an immense thing to go through... all the secrecy, the potential disappointment and money loss would be hard work. But i only have one more shot after this at a dd and part of me wants to do everything i can as the alternative is some kind of swaying again and keeping our fingers crossed...but i dont know if i can go through this heart ache again. I told dh that our summer holiday next year is to america or cyprus! He didnt say no way but i wander if perhaps he is just humouring me to get me through the harder days!

2monkeyboys

April 23rd, 2012, 03:53 PM

Hi everyone,
Massive congrats auroara, bet you are still on cloud nine :)
Hugs to Pinga, Deaks, Charlie, Babymad and anyone else in need. Would be so nice if we could be hypnotised or something into not wanting a dd as life would be so much easier and far cheaper than pgd!
Xxxx

indigoviolet

April 23rd, 2012, 04:29 PM

(((hugs))) pinga, some days are like that. Hope tomorrow is a better day.

Chocolate- how are you doing? miss you and your encouraging/wise words.

pinga

April 23rd, 2012, 06:43 PM

Hey all

Thank you for your kind words. Feeling a bit brighter today. Sometimes I think I just need a good cry. It was one of those days yesterday. Yesterday I put some random music on and sat down to do some baby blanket crocheting... always calming... and then on came the song that we had at my dad's funeral and I was blubbing again. Decided my hormones were raging a bit yesterday. In a way it wasn't so bad because I sat there and thought about my Dad and that made me think about my sons and how he is in all of them. So that made me smile.

Anyways - better go and entertain my little chaps. Its pouring here in Melbourne. Wish I had wellies for both of them... they'd love that! Ah well... indoor day today!!

deaks66

April 24th, 2012, 08:21 AM

Pinga, its raining here constantly at the moment, and im sure this kind of weather makes emotions even worse. Roll on some lovely summer days for us and bright winter days for you! The crocheting does sound very calming... my problem with crocheting and knitting for that matter is i find it very difficult to solve mistakes and also my tension gets looser and looser! I guess it takes practise but im much better on a sewing machine!! Like indigo said, i hope things are brighter for you today, not too long now! X

indigoviolet

April 24th, 2012, 09:31 AM

Pinga- glad you are feeling a little better today. Like Deaks said, raining constantly here and I agree, does NOT help with the mood. Was SO grumpy yesterday, feeling I won't cope when baby born, feeling irritable and such a short fuse with the boys. I'm sure a bit of Spring sunshine would do us all good. Pg hormones don't help either. It is hard work being pg and we should be easy on ourselves. ((hugs)) to us all :HH:

Hope everyone else is having ok days.

Maybe- how is the feeding going now?

charlieispy

April 24th, 2012, 11:56 AM

yes the rain is peeing me off - our garden is a mudpit so even when not raining its sooooo muddy i ended up with 2 loads of washing on saturday from them playing outside. We have a new build and the ground is so compacted it doesnt drain :( i WANT sun

I too am crafting for the baby - making a blanket but quilting/patchwork by hand will have to upload a pic soon x its taking me a long time but its my labour of love if that makes sense x hugs to all you lovely ladies x

Deaks - PGD is something i should have considered this time looking back in hindsight - we wouldnt have the money but if i had waited till we did.......although realistically it wouldnt have happened. I will never not want my baby girl i think i need to accept it will only be a dream though am struggling with 3 and soon will have 4!! Indy is such a lil git at the mo :S

Pinga - huge hugs for the hormonal day i hope the rain has stopped for you and you are feeling better

2monkeys is DH still behaving???

am 30wks (monday or tomorrow) depending on who you ask ;) hope the next 10wks flie by and that baby comes ooooh 38wks would be nice - can wish!

charlieispy

April 24th, 2012, 11:56 AM

indigo - we definitely NEED sun x am sick of rain and hailstones x hope you are having a better day x x

deaks66

April 24th, 2012, 12:53 PM

I love all the craftyness of the smog ladies... and it sounds like quite a few of us make things as a way of having some calm zone out time. I am sorting out squares to make a patchwork quilt for ds3. One fabric i want use ers on the side of girly (why is it that multicoloured stripes that have only one stripe of pink look girly??) but i think combined with lots of blue, it will look lovely for a boy.

Charlie, it always so much easier to look back in hindsight but thats just not how reality works unfortunately is it. When your ds4 is here, the pain of not having a dd in your future will be so much less and easier to deal with. If pgd doesnt work for me, i wander whether we will try naturally again or not. My head at the moment says not but it will be so hard to be that strong when im broody and feeling like im in with a chance.

Been feeling much more at peace with it all yesterday and today and even thinking about boys names.... there are more out there that i like than i thought there were...in fact dont think my list was ever so long with ds1 or 2!!

maybebabythree

April 24th, 2012, 02:35 PM

Sorry your feeling down pinga deaks and Charlie. It gets better honest! I really havent had a bad comment about having a third boy. My mum said she wanted a turn at buying dresses for me but it wasnt to be. At 20 weeks I would have cried at that. Now I just agree it's a shame. No big deal.

Nice to hear from you tlm good luck with extension. We are looking for a three bed semi to extend so I might pick your brains later on.

Indigo - dave still causes pain on latching but it's far better than it was. I still express the majority of his food but it works so I'm happy with things as they are. In the ideal world I would breast feed exclusively but I just don't seem to be capable of that. Still he only has one bottle of formula a day so I have the milk there

indigoviolet

April 24th, 2012, 02:58 PM

indigo - we definitely NEED sun x am sick of rain and hailstones x hope you are having a better day x x
I did have a bit of a better day thanks, was just telling a good friend this morning how my 'disappointment' is easing etc. But then of course this afternoon someone I haven't seen for ages saw I was pg and when I told her 'boy' she replies 'you must be disappointed this isn't a girl'. I hate having people assume how I am feeling and making such negative comments. She knows of my miscarriages so I just said, 'I am thrilled just to be pg, it is a miracle and I am just super grateful etc etc'. Hard work though! Some people!!

Hope you are having nice evenings. i'm off to bed in a min to watch a film, dh away so having some me-time.

:HH:

deaks66

April 24th, 2012, 04:35 PM

Indigo, gd would be so much easier if other people could just be thrilled for you whatever you are having. Leave us alone to be disappointed in private without anyone knowing but dont dare be disappointed for us or assume we are! Drives me nuts that other people have an opinion!

Had my best school friend over tonight, hardly see her as she is career woman and i am SAHM and we live a distance away from each other but she is just so wonderful and never asked me once if i knew gender or that i must be hoping for a girl. When i said i thought it was probably a boy, she just said she is definately a boy person and how exciting! And she knows NOTHING of my gd. I love people like that :)

Right im off to watch some made in chelsea as also home alone.

X

deaks66

April 24th, 2012, 04:35 PM

Maybe - glad feeding is getting slowly better :)

Sunset

April 25th, 2012, 04:32 AM

I did have a bit of a better day thanks, was just telling a good friend this morning how my 'disappointment' is easing etc. But then of course this afternoon someone I haven't seen for ages saw I was pg and when I told her 'boy' she replies 'you must be disappointed this isn't a girl'. I hate having people assume how I am feeling and making such negative comments. She knows of my miscarriages so I just said, 'I am thrilled just to be pg, it is a miracle and I am just super grateful etc etc'. Hard work though! Some people!!

Eugh for some people and their stupid comments!! It surprises me everyday how people have to voice their opinion about everything good or bad.. My motto is that if you haven't got anything positive to say then dont say anything at all! I wish more people would live by that motto. :(

Sunset

April 25th, 2012, 04:44 AM

charliespy ~ I cant believe you are 30 weeks already..... your pregnancy seems to be flying by but i guess i say that to everybody lol you haven't got long to go now :)

Petal ~ how is your ds3 doing? how big is he now?

Maybebaby ~ I think you are doing SO well and I really admire you so much for still sticking with the breastfeeding! so many people would have given up by now but you're still going. So what if you have to supplement a little, a little breastmilk is still better than no breastmilk and someday you might be back to breastfeeding exclusively, you never know. I got a breast abcess with ds1 and had to supplement for a while after having had surgery to open the abcess but I stuck with the feeding and managed to breastfeed ds1 until he weaned himself off it at 11 months, so i know it's not easy sometimes.. I give you praise, you should be very proud of yourself!

I wish I was half as crafty as you ladies are!
oh and dd has started laughing this last week :D I love this age she's at now :)

maybebabythree

April 25th, 2012, 06:51 PM

pinga

April 25th, 2012, 07:06 PM

Petal - bless - I love it when they start laughing!! Its the cutest thing!

Sounds like lots of us are being crafty to help with GD :) I'm doing a blanket in boyish colours which is probably a dead give-away. But to be honest I probably would use the same colours for a girl as they are my fave colour combo at the mo. We'll all have to post pictures when we're finished!!

Maybe - its good to hear how content and at peace you feel. I can't wait until I'm holding my little man and then I can get rid of these stupid rollercoaster emotions. Oh and well done on persisting with the BFing. It can be such a challenge but its so good! I love it too because I find it helps shift some of my PG weight!!! :D

Its my birthday today... DH has been a sweetie - he made me a cake with DS1 yesterday (was a public holiday yesterday - ANZAC day) and he's got us tickets to see The Mousetrap. Its nice when you realise that they sometimes listen to your ramblings!!

OH dear for all the rain. I don't really mind it - we don't get many days where it rains all day here in Melbourne. I like the winter here in Melbourne.

Indigo - people say stupid things. I'm preparing myself for who will say silly things after DS3 arrives so it won't make me angry then. I know my brother will say something dumb and so will my FIL. So as long as I prepare to ignore them all will be good! :D

Deaks - ahhh how have you managed to find so many boys names you like!!! I'm in denial that I have to come up with something!

Anyway - the boys and I both have colds so lovely snotty day for my birthday :)

Sunset

April 26th, 2012, 03:52 AM

Sunset - Dave smiled for the first time yesterday and started to coo. OMG he is TOO CUTE!!! Thankfully broody feelings are subsiding this week as he is too much - I think my heart will burst. I can't stop kissing him. Also helped by the fact he sleeps 11pm - 7:30am.

aww how lovely :) cooing always makes my heart mealt! something that's new in this house as well is squealing with delight :D wow I am sooo jealous, he sleeps like a trooper doesnt he! my baby still wakes up for feeds usually about 1am and 4 am *zZz*

Sunset

April 26th, 2012, 03:58 AM

Pinga ~ Happy Birthday!!! Hope you had a great day! :celebrate:

indigoviolet

April 26th, 2012, 09:36 AM

Happy Birthday Pinga! Hope you had a lovely day :HH:

maybebabythree

April 26th, 2012, 11:21 AM

Happy birthday Pinga!

All my boys have been good sleepers. I am so lucky as I did think he would break the mould but they just love to sleep - like their mummy ;¬)

charlieispy

April 26th, 2012, 12:16 PM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PINGA - yay for DH spoiling you x x x hope you have a good day x

maybe - yay for the sleep thats fabby and how cute smiley giggly bub x very jealous of your sleepy kids ;) ds1 was so horrendous i had a HV visiting weekly and he didnt improve till he started preschool......i kid you not he dropped naps at 7WEEKS and was awake from 5am till 7.30pm at least everyday normally crying as he was tired....but it put me in good stead for having more ds2 DREAM baby ds3 'normal' as long as i dont get another ds1 i will be fine :D

charlieispy

April 26th, 2012, 12:20 PM

grrrr sorry for lack of other personals DS3 is seriously a walking nightmare at the mo he is a) becoming a toddler eg tantrums and b) teething YAY he is just naughty!!!!

uploaded pics of what i have done so far to blanket see what you think could do with some advice too!
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n151/charlieispy/utf-8BSU1HMTE0OS5qcGc.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n151/charlieispy/utf-8BSU1HMTE1MC5qcGc.jpg

charlieispy

April 26th, 2012, 12:22 PM

i want it to be a rectangle when finished so thinking a row of 'petals' top and bottom but not the sides round the square then another band in a rectangle??? then going to put a thin layer of wadding in and back with minki.......mmmmm minki probably in green??

charlieispy

April 26th, 2012, 12:23 PM

everything is recycled - either charity shop fabric, buttons from great aunts button box, vintage fabric etc :D

deaks66

April 26th, 2012, 03:32 PM

Hi all,

Happy Birthday Pinga, hope you had a lovely rest of day!

Maybe, you sound in heaven with ds3, cant wait to be there one day!

Charlie, love love love the quilt! you are super clever!

Sunset

April 26th, 2012, 04:26 PM

there doesnt seem to be a "like" button today but Charlie, I LOVE what you've done! It looks great :) Thanks for sharing your pictures :)

and maybe ~ I love my sleep too lol but i can't say the same for my boys :p

charlieispy

April 27th, 2012, 04:28 AM

thanks ladies :D started on making some more petals last night but so tired fell asleep LOL off for a facial and either manicure or pedicure! I never ever spend money on myself am so excited - got a great deal on groupon and mum is having ds3 so much as i love him a break from his toddlerhood is what i need hope i dont fall asleep and snore!!

How is everyone coping in the miserable weather - am so sick of it now :(

lavender hope the business is going well - i asked about pants probably need 18-24m size now if poss

maybebabythree

April 28th, 2012, 05:19 AM

Charlie I love your blanket! Making it into a rectangle sounds good. I am not big on sewing so I can't help. I was thinking of getting a sewing machine and making things but not sure where I would find the time (or space for it!). I know we need rain but it would be great if it was nice just one day. So much washing to do!

Sunset

April 29th, 2012, 04:36 AM

Hi ladies!

hope you're all ok!

Charlie ~ Hope you enjoyed being pampered :)

Ds1 starts at his new nursery tomorrow.. i'm not looking forward to it at all.. it took him 3 months to settle in at his old nursery so i have no idea what to expect this time. let's just pray to god that I like the nursery and its staff because otherwise we'll be in a tricky situation since i would hate to move area.

chocolate

April 29th, 2012, 04:49 AM

Hi everyone, how are you all?

What have I missed? I think I read that deaks had a scan and was told boy, big hug, we don't seem to have much success on here! However, Im sure once our blue bundles are here we will be besotted with them. Baby boys are just so cute so am sure that will help us.

We went on holiday to dorset and it rained all week, DS2 is 18 months and was such hard work, tantrums and head strong, not fun, going to do a holiday cottage next time with take aways and a decent cooker to cook on.

My OH said the other day about not wanting a 4th boy as we would need to pay to put 4 through uni or concerntrate on encouraging them to get a good job in todays climate etc. and about taking a shot at pgd but I said about the money and it may not work or could miscarriage etc....... I had dismissed the thought of it but now Im wondering about it again. Will put it to the back of my mind and re-think in 3 years time.

So far I have 5 friends who are pregnant and 2 of us are expecting boys, the other will have 2 boys and 1 girl, one friend has 1 boy and a girl on the way, my other friend has 1 boy and 1 girl and Im certain she has another girl coming, the other has 2 girls and I reckon another girl on the way too by nub theory.
So all my local friends will prob. be having all girls the same time as me having my 3rd boy so I know that will be tough.

Hope everyone is ok xx

atomic sagebrush

April 29th, 2012, 12:52 PM

maybebabythree

April 29th, 2012, 04:57 PM

Atomic I think chocolate means just us uk smogs x

What ever we are doing it's not working out in the pink direction!

maybebabythree

April 29th, 2012, 05:04 PM

Chocolate I did think that about my boys going to uni but they will never have to pay back the fees the way the gov works out the loan. I hope all my kids go. I am telling them to do maths or engineering degrees or Im not paying. With so much competition from other countries you need a great degree to get the best jobs. Dh has a uncle with three boys then a girl and they have great jobs as I think it's the effort the parents but into bringing them up.

Petal

April 29th, 2012, 05:39 PM

Hi girls,

Happy belated birthday Pinga, hope you had a great day!

Love the blanket Charlie, really cute :-) bet you enjoyed your pampering day, you deserve a little 'you' time.

Maybe, lol, ive got the 'kissing ds3 to death bug' too lol, arnt they just so scrummy :-) well done with the bf, i only feed ds3 at night now, he sleeps 10-5/6am most nights, hes still in our room, his cot is joined to our bed :-)

Hope the pregnancy is going well Deaks :-)

Sunset, ds3 is getting really big, havent had him weighed this month but he must be 16lbs i bet, love his chubby little legs! lol. LOVE the recent pics of your dd, shes beautiful :-)

Babymad, hope you are well x

Hi to everyone! hope this bloody weather brightens up asap!!!!

pinga

April 29th, 2012, 11:01 PM

Charlie - the blanket looks great.... sounds like a good plan to make it a rectangular shape. I love picking up second-hand fabric from charity shops etc. I'm always on the lookout. I like old sheets... although they are usually perfect to make things for girls :P Although if you think Sound of Music, she put the boys in lovely floral curtain shorts :D Not sure I'm going to put my boys in floral shorts :lol:

I'm feeling big and tired now... anyone else? :) Starting to feel like I can say - "not too long to go now".

How are the other big round mamas going :) Zanacal - you must be nearly there... can't remember when you're due.
Anyhews - hope everyone is going well...

chocolate

April 30th, 2012, 06:42 AM

Chocolate, I"m sorry you're feeling down and I don't mean to add anything to that at all but I do want to point out that we've actually had a lot of successes on here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl/8682-who-swayed-ig-who-swayed-le-pink-version.html I wish with all my heart that everyone had succeeded.

Hiya, yeah sorry I meant on this forum here for the UK smog wannabes, just seems alot of us are destined to only have boys regardless of our efforts, going by the results of this thread anyway.

My BF just showed me her scan pic and its a very girly nub shot, she has 1 boy and 1 girl, so now that makes 2 of my local friends having girls, just me another boy, one more friend to find out and Im sure thats a girl ......... everyone around me seems to just make girls so easily, and all I get is '3 boys - your mad, good luck' ......... its not like I planned it this way!

Kell

April 30th, 2012, 06:53 AM

Hi ladies, gosh I've had some trouble logging on recently!

Charlie love the quilt! Looks great :)

I'm feeling very sorry for myself, not feeling very well oh has given me a cough and cold, but I just feel fuzzy and achy and like my hands are swelling. I'm chilling in bed today so fingers crossed I'll feel better :)
I've got a midwife appointment on Thursday so I'll mention it to her.

How's all the bumps developing? Pinga you don't have long huh! How exciting!
I had a bit of a moment this weekend realised we don't have anything for Lily really and I've got 12 weeks left.
We are waiting for oh to start a new job, but he's been off work for a month and we've got no money at the moment.

Had one of my exam results back and got a distinction so am very pleased with that! Still got a few pieces of coursework to do and then I'll be all finished for a whole year :) can't wait lol

maybebabythree

April 30th, 2012, 08:52 AM

Kell - Defo mention your hands to the midwife - weird to be swelling so early on in cold weather. Fuzzy feeling could just be your cold and the strain of being pg with two little ones to look after.

Chocolate - I don't get the 'Three boys your mad' comment very much. It must be the look in my eyes lol! No one dares! But I don't get many 'oh three boys how lovely!' either (apart from other mums of three or more, they all think it's the best thing ever). Generally people think your mad to have more than two kids - so I really think those comments are aimed at having three children. It's not aimed at your three boys IYKWIM?

One child = selfish perents - your child will be lonely
Two children = perfect, you passed on your genes and they have company
Three children = your insane, you don't know about birth control, poor kids have to share their shoes as you have no money
Five kids = Why has no one made a documentary about your bizarra life style choice!

But thats just the way I peoples opions come across to me. MIL said all of the above to me.

No kids - Why don't you have kids? Your selfish and career driven
DS1 - he will be so lonely, your selfish and career driven
ds2 - No bad comments
ds3 - Was this baby a mistake?

So basically don't worry about what other people think.

deaks66

April 30th, 2012, 10:04 AM

Hi all,

Pinga, its pants when everyone around you makes girls so easily! One of my best friends is about to have her first dd after 4 boys and although i am totally jealous, at least she knows what we have all been through. But those that make girls as their first and second babies.... jeeeeese, its so annoying :) ha ha

I have totally come to terms with ds3 now and really excited. Designed a quilt for him but starting simple and making a cushion to go with it first! Its got an airedale on the front for which i used a Cath kidston template of her stanley dog which is just a small version of the airedale. Cant wait to get it finished then start the quilt properly! But the fact that we are going to definitely do pgd has probably helped sort my head out... just cant decide whether i would be mad to go for it summer 2013 bearing in mind ds3 will only be 10 months old then!

Maybe, you are so right with your quotes!! And i totally agree, who cares what other people think!

Been lovely to be outside today! Hope you are all enjoying the sunshine too! X

auroara78

April 30th, 2012, 10:09 AM

maybe, you are 100% right!!!!!!!

I know when I posted about the 3rd preg on my facebook I got a lot of "wow....." comments from ppl who ONLY have two kids and it about blows their brains right off that I'm going for a THIRD because wow that is so crazy, right?

LOL

Maybe if I go for a 4th in a few years, that'll snap their heads right off!

Inglewood

April 30th, 2012, 11:26 AM

No way, wrote a huge message and it's vanished!!! :(
Now no time to re-write it all....damn keyboard!

Was roughly how I get alot of comments about going 2-4 kids and were the twins a 'double surprise' as in unplanned and I say "no, a baby was planned and we were blessed to have 2" and how having to order a 2nd green wheelie bin being a LARGE family now made me laugh!

We finally got a new car, Honda FRV (6 seater) very nice, shame I can't drive yet! Maybe tom?? Girls 4wks old tom!! time going so fast.

Hope ur all well, sorry I don't get on to catch up these days, have a good excuse, lol but hate missing out on how u all are. Fb good for a quick nosey... Charlie, love ur bump pic!

Wish I was 'crafty' decided to do the girls room (when loft conversion for boys done) Red and Cream rather than traditional Pink. Thankfully my MIL will make the curtains and cotsheets, but so wish I could make them something, will try and do something, even cushions??

Take care, better start tea. x

maybebabythree

April 30th, 2012, 11:48 AM

The feeling of three children being a big family is totally strange to me - it's just one than the 'norm' but evidentally just one more is just one to many lol! Even my doctor seems to disaprove and HE has three!!!!!

Wow deaks your thinking of IVF! Good on you if you decide to go down that route. DH told me that someone he works with just came back from Cyprus and DH was asking him where he went and what was it like as I wanted to go - lol! I can't belive he hasn't decided I am mad and divorced me yet!

I'm still not sure if I am done. I don't think mentally I will ever be done. But I have enough boys - I think - whats a girl to do??!! I know one thing. If I ever did have a DD I would never be a smog.

Todays heart melting moment with my 'crowd' of boys was when I kissed Dave on the lips with his mouth open. It makes a funny sound and 100% gauranteed to make him beem - oh too cute :¬)

Inglewood - I remember you talking about tax credits a while back? I phoned them last week and they said I get nothing dispite not working for most of the tax year. I phoned again today as I had worked out my childcare cost slightly wrong and now they say I am entitled to £49 a week!!??? Maybe worth phoneing again now the girls are here.

deaks66

April 30th, 2012, 02:17 PM

Maybe, i love reading how loved-up ds3 makes you... can't wait to have that feeling again! I guess i always knew that if i had 3 boys i would probably do pgd but its weird having to actually consider it for real... i never thought in a million years i WOULD actually have 3 boys!! The way i have got dh's head around it (he wasn't sure on 3 kids let alone 4) is by asking him if he would regret having 4 children if we got a dd? There is nothing he can answer except no he wouldn't regret it! i don't actually think we would regret 4 boys either but i never want to go through gd again and nor does he want to witness it! Mind you, would still potentially have to deal with pgd failing.

Inglewood, hope you manage to get out and about in your new car soon! Oh and cushions are dead easy so i think that would be something lovely you could definitely do!

Sunset

May 1st, 2012, 08:28 AM

Kell ~ it's good to hear from you! you should post a bump pic for us all to see :) my fingers started swelling around this time too with dd and i went on to develope pre-eclampsia, so do keep an eye on the swelling as well as your bp.

Petal and Maybebaby ~ I've got the 'constantly kissing baby bug' too lol it's the chubby cheeks that does it! :p

Babymad ~ how are you doing now? you must be due any day now?

Inglewood ~ aww 4 weeks already :) do you manage to get much sleep at all?

Deaks ~ pleased to hear you're feeling happier! at least you have got your head around the idea of another boy early on so you can enjoy the rest of your pregnacny :)

Ds1 had his first day at his new nursery today.. it went well and he came home happy so fx he'll settle nicely :)

hello to everyone else!

Inglewood

May 1st, 2012, 11:50 AM

Inglewood - I remember you talking about tax credits a while back? I phoned them last week and they said I get nothing dispite not working for most of the tax year. I phoned again today as I had worked out my childcare cost slightly wrong and now they say I am entitled to £49 a week!!??? Maybe worth phoneing again now the girls are here.

Well, funny u should write that, I phoned last night as I thought 2 babies and zero money?? is that right?? so I am waiting to hear....... thanks anyway...great minds think alike!

Inglewood

May 1st, 2012, 11:55 AM

Sunset, we do ok for sleep, either of us does the 1st overnight feed (after the feed around 11pm-12 that we both do) around 2-3am and the other at 5-6am and it's funny, but both girls are up, whoever screams the loudest gets fed 1st and the other waits...sounds too good to be true, but 'mostly' they wait like they know they just have to. If they are both screaming them the other person gets up too, but we usually manage around 4-5hrs a night each.

Glad ds1 likes nursery!

Maybe, how cute! The girls love neck kisses, they smile!

Babymad, hope ur ok? any twinges??

Deaks, my Dh only ever wanted 2 also....look at us now and we wouldn't change a thing, neither would your Dh I'm sure with 3 or 4 or 5!!

Thought I could drive from today...nope doc says 6wks :(

deaks66

May 1st, 2012, 12:25 PM

Hi all,

Glad all going well with the twins inglewood! Sounds like you have got into a good feeding routine bearing in mind there are two! Reassuring to know that your dh only wanted two but couldn't be happier with 4. I know my dh will feel the same or he wouldn't even be contemplating the next leg of our journey after ds3 born :)

Sunset, glad ds1 settled into his nursery ok today.... always a relief. My ds1 was a bit wobbly when he first started this nursery but has always been an independent character. Ds2 is such a mummies boy im dreading the fuss he is going to kick up when he goes!

Babymad, i too am thinking of you and hoping all well. Bet you just want your little man here now! Are you all sorted and ready?

Hi everyone else.

deaks66

May 1st, 2012, 12:28 PM

when did you ladies first feel baby's movement in your pregnancies and was it earlier with each baby? I cant really remember with ds2 but ds1 it was definitely around 20 weeks. Hoping this one will be soon! Bearing in mind my ticker says he's the size of an avocado, it never fails to surprise me that you cant feel anything at this stage!

Kell

May 1st, 2012, 01:26 PM

Deaks I felt movement at around your stage, and I've got an anterior placenta, they were only very small movements tho. From about 20weeks I could see the kicks and rolls and now well she's a little nut case for sure!

indigoviolet

May 1st, 2012, 03:23 PM

deaks66

May 1st, 2012, 04:06 PM

Oh Babymad, although its lovely to hear from you, i feel so helpless that you are feeling down. I so wish there was something i could do to help and you really mustn't think you can only come on here f you are cheerful. Are you able to talk to anyone around you about your feelings? If you ever wanted to speak on the phone, i am always here as im sure all the other ladies would be too. Did you feel like this with ds3 or has it become worse as this is your last baby? Im still hopeful that baby's arrival will surprise you and you will fall head over heals for him. And you will do a great job of juggling a newborn and 3 other children... you are clearly an amazing mum, please don't be too hard on yourself. Lets hope bubs doesn't keep you waiting for too long though im sure he is very happy and snug in there. Again, if you want to speak, i am here... just pm me. Much love X

maybebabythree

May 1st, 2012, 05:26 PM

Babymad - sorry your feeling no better. Once he's here you will be 100% better Im sure. I wasn't sure how I would cope with one, two or third kids! Once they arrived I didn't think about as I had no choice but too cope. I'm a bit of a control freak but I find it helps to lower your standards. With each child my standards go down. They are pretty rock bottom some days! I get the kids dressed and clean, homework done, don't leave the house in my PJ's and DH just happy enough not to walk out ;¬) I will post your clothes this week. Dave is still in some things that I though you might like. You like stars and spots?

Deaks each pg I felt baby move later which is weird! Maybe due to my increased gerth! Mind you Dave is sucking the fat off me know - I remember why I love breast feeding! Cheaper than lipo-suction!

Inglewood - I really don't understand these taxcredits as what they said to me seems so high! I've never had more than £10 in the past but there tables are good. Will post a link

HM Revenue & Customs: You work 16 hours or more and pay childcare: entitlement tables (http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/people-advise-others/entitlement-tables/work-and-child/work-pay-childcare.htm#3)

Sunset

May 2nd, 2012, 06:16 AM

I'm the same as Kell have an anterior placenta so it took ages for me to feel anything. I was getting worried as I thought it was supposed to be earlier for each pg. Must have been properly around 20 weeks and in the last couple of weeks much stronger movements, DS1 felt the baby for the first time yesterday, was lovely! I'm sure you'll feel something soon.

Same for me! but i guess all anterior placentas are different because with ds2 i felt strong kicks very early on and had an anterior placenta whereas with dd i had an anterior placenta again and only got very light fluttering kicks at 17 weeks and didn't feel anything 'strong' until well after 20 weeks.

Sunset

May 2nd, 2012, 06:24 AM

babymad ~ i can't tell you how sorry i am to hear you're not feeling any better.. i do agree with the other ladies though that you can come here anytime, doesn't matter if you're happy or if you're sad! we are all here for each other at all times, good or bad! i hope you feel better once he's here and you get to hold him in your arms and see his little innocent face.. no doubt he'll be just as beautiful as your other boys! :)

Inglewood~ love your pics on fb!

maybebaby ~ i dont understand tax credits either.. mine go up and down like a yo yo! i've recently had it cut by half without a letter or anything to explain that they were cutting my tax credits and why.. this was only a few weeks after i had a letter explaining that my tax credits were going up :S i give up with trying to understand the english system..

zanacal

May 2nd, 2012, 07:34 AM

Big {hugs} Babymad, I'm so sorry you're feeling crap. I have no idea how I'm going to 'do' 4 children either. Easy enough at the weekends when nobody has to go anywhere in a hurry but we struggle to get out of the door and to school on time as it is. I suppose I'm going to have to get more organised - not good at that!

I had plans for packing my hospital bag and washing little clothes today but I was really ambitious with my walking yesterday and today my pelvis hurts and I'm knackered so I'm sat on my fat bum instead - and will hopefully get the hospital bag packed tomorrow!

Kell

May 2nd, 2012, 12:38 PM

Babymad I'm so sorry you are feeling this way, have u spoke to any one about this I.e doctor or midwife?
I agree denial is a bad place to be in, and wonder if putting some sort of support into place before he arrives might be worth a thought? Just in case?

You sound as tho you are taking all this onto your own shoulders, you are fully entitled to help if you think you need it?

deaks66

May 2nd, 2012, 01:18 PM

oh babymad, it was such a hard situation for you to be in and i know i will face the same if pgd fails. In a way you didn't have much choice but to just go for it like you did... it could have gone the other way and then you wouldn't have regretted a thing, its just such a risk but one i can understand anyone taking... i will probably do the same myself when the time comes! I think at the moment it is much harder than when baby is here. Don't put too much pressure on yourself to bond immediately and there will be lots of help for you if you dont. But i think the maternal instinct is so strong that it will override any other feelings. You will possibly always dream of a dd but it wont stop you feeling the same about ds4 as you do about your others. And im sure there are ways to deal with gd once and for all when you are faced with definately no more babies... there must be someone who can help. Please please please keep talking to us... we all care so much for you. Much love X

maybebabythree

May 2nd, 2012, 02:04 PM

Ditto the above babymad. I see your lovely happy family on fb and it breaks my heart that your so sad inside. I think all us who swayed and got blue still have varrying degrees of sadness inside, but it doesn't have to rule your life. Is there anyone irl you can talk too? I have a friend with two dd and she gets me. When I tell her how I have felt in the past it really helps. She wants a son and in a way it helps that we both don't have what we want as it makes it seem more normal to want some thing you can't have that's not a material want.

deaks66

May 2nd, 2012, 02:32 PM

babymad, it is very hard to open up to friends about this. On one hand it would be lovely to have someone to confide in, talk things through and get things off our chests but at the same time acknowledging to ANYONE that we aren't entirely satisfied with our family makeup is impossible. I decided recently that i would only open up to one friend (she actually has a pp but feels more of a connection with her ds than her dd) and tell anyone else (even those who know i swayed) that i am delighted to be having another boy...'what fun' sort of thing! Is there one person that you feel you could do this with and not feel judged?

I too feel sad when i think i may never know what a daughter of mine may look like but then i tell myself that im sure the reality of having a daughter is probably not as perfect as we have all convinced ourselves it is. Lets face it, by the time they are 4 they will be demanding to dress themselves in top to toe gaudy pink (instead of that pretty boden dress), there will be bitchiness on the primary school playground from early on, eventually they will all get far better looking than us and not hesitate to tell us we look fat or stupid in something and probably end up a total tomboy after all our hardwork anyway! X

Kell

May 2nd, 2012, 03:19 PM

Deaks you are so right, even I keep thinking there's not chance of a perfect girly girl when she's being brought up around 3boys!
And reality is that girls can be horrible little cows! Gosh I just need to look at my neighbours girls to be completly turned off by them!

Babymad, I know what it's like to take everything in and bottle it, I did it for years, put on the fake smile, pretend life is perfect when infact all u want to do is hide away and never come out again.
I use to think admitting I was struggling ment I was weak, even now I sometimes struggle with that actually.
But I started speaking to a lady online who really helped me, she has experienced many struggles herself and has put herself through tonnes of courses to be come a life coach. If you would like me to dig out her details I would be more than happy to.
She really helped me to see positives in my depression amount other things and never judged me in any way at all.

maybebabythree

May 2nd, 2012, 03:37 PM

I didn't fall in love with DS1 straight away when he was born. Mainly due to my dads death weeks before and being ill with pre eclampsia. Its ok not feel a rush of love imediatly. It was strange really, I did love him but it didn't feel like it was right as I was supposed to be over whelmed with love and tbh I wasn't. It took a while but now I adore him. He is so clever and witty. A better person than me in so many ways. I don't think it demanges the mother child relationship. Falling in love takes time as you get to know to someone and what makes them specail.

We all know its not about our boys. I ADORE Dave1000% and totally honest would not swop him for a DD and that is the gods honest truth. Would I have swopped him at my 20 week scan? Yes, in a flash. Do I still want a girl? Yes, very much so. Do I feel ashamed to say that? Yes very. But its true. I still cry when I talk to DH about having a fourth s I can't see how it could ever be a dd. It hurts still and it feels like it will never go away totally. But if I don't think too much about having a DD its fine. I'm fine. I'm happy so I know it can get so much better. Dave has made me better. If I had been told before I tried for my third it would have been another son I would not have tried again. But I'm glad I did. He didn't bring me dresses or a future full of meaningful conversations. Or bonding and understanding but he has made us more of a proper family. He has shown me a new lovely dimention in DS1 as he fusses over ds1. Shown me why I still love my DH as he looked after me when I was ill with my BP. I am sure this little boy will bring you some thing new and wonderful to your family. I know its worse for you as you don't want any more and you have lost your DD. I wish I could say some thing to help. I feel your pain and we all understand totally

Babymad

May 2nd, 2012, 05:04 PM

That would be really helpful thanks Kell x p.s I'd love a horrible little cow in my house :)

Maybe ~ thanks for your kind words and understanding xx

clarabell

May 2nd, 2012, 05:32 PM

Hi all, Babymad I understand all your feelings. I found out I was having another boy at my 20 week scan and I was deverstated. I swayed for a girl, and also with DS2, obviously it didn't work. When I found out he was a boy I felt my world had ended, I went into a deep depressiona and denial, I was certain they were wrong. My DH didn't understand and I had no one to talk too. I fell apart with the midwife and felt so shameful with my feelings. When my second son was born it was a surprise, I was certain I was having a DD and as a result I took a while to bond and suffered with depression. My midwife sent me to see a pregancy councilor which did ahelp a bit. She felt I was desperate for a girl to replace the poor relationship I have with my mother. I am a very girly girl and I do resent those who have girls (all my friends and my sister) It is so hard to live with these feelings so it does help to know that sadly all you women also feel and understand these feelings. I hang onto the fact that possibly I could have another so there is a slim chance? Although my DH says no to another baby as he knows I only want a girl. I do love my DS3 to bits he is an angel of a baby and very adorable, such a happy boy. I wouldn't change him for the world but still I have these feelings. I don't think they will ever go, and yes I know reality of of getting what we pray for doesn't alway mean we will be 100% happy. But I would love to experience it. Congrats on your pregnancy, I know your boys will adore him to bits, mie do which makes it all so worth while.

Lavenderlime

May 3rd, 2012, 04:06 AM

I've just caught up on eight pages!

So sorry you ladies are having a hard time with GD It's such a hard place to be.
Aurora a massive congratulations on your DD you must be thrilled. So glad that your sway worked for you.

Well i've been AWOL because of the business and then two weeks ago I decided I wanted to get married in August. August this year. So have been manically phoning around, scouring the net and just trying to get everything sorted, into place and booked. The only good thing that has come from swaying for me thus far is that my wedding dress is a size 6 haha! So because of the wedding i'm holding off TTC until August/September now as I need to stay the same size to fit into my dress which can't be returned. It's quite good really as I have so much to focus on at the moment TTC has really gone to the back of my mind and it feels like a huge pressure has been lifted. Swaying was getting me down quite a bit every month seeing a BFN. But hey I do believe everything happens for a reason and If I hadn't of swayed I would probably be pregnant now and we wouldn't be getting married.

Charlie I did look for the boys pants in smaller sizes but I'm struggling to find any I will keep scouring promise. Indigo I haven't done any larger sizes yet either so sorry I have just been so busy with wedding/house and boys. Just trying to finish off the bathroom that was started a good month and a bit ago. I sometimes wish there was two of me would make my life so much easier. It got to the point where I was going to bed every night at 1pm or later and then I just crashed and had stint of early nights, just starting to feel more normal.

Charlie I also love your boys names, and thought about stealing one if I had a boy when thinking of boys names. I actually really like American boys names too and surenames for first names.

Sunset and Inglewood love seeing pictures of your DD's on facebook they're growng up fast!

Looks like a lot of you are looking into PGD. I've never really thought about it properly. But the prospect of twins scares me. I just wouldn't be able to cope with twins and my two very rowdy young boys. I think If I had twins first or older boys it would be different.

Deaks did you find a bed that you liked? Choose a colour?

Wel better get breakfast for the boys. No pre-school today so lazy morning.

zanacal

May 3rd, 2012, 06:49 AM

Big congratulations on getting married - in August, wow! You're going to be very busy for the next couple of months :D I'm really happy for you x

Inglewood

May 3rd, 2012, 09:32 AM

Maybe, thanks for the link!! will check it out now.

Deaks, I was later in feeling twins, around 22 wks properly, but they were both lying strange!!

Babymad, it won't be long till u meet him :)

Inglewood

May 3rd, 2012, 09:33 AM

Congrats Lavender!! happy planning!! I loved planning my wedding! xx

deaks66

May 3rd, 2012, 09:55 AM

Lavender, so exciting about your wedding in August! be lovely to have your boys there :) Yes i found beds, not through jellyjam but she said she could organise the shot-blasting/painting. However im beginning to think it would be silly to send them all the way to her for that when i can organise that myself. Anyway, thinking of a bright light blue instead of red as too much red in the room already. Here are the beds (wont be to everyones taste i know!)

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Lavenderlime

May 3rd, 2012, 10:21 AM

auroara78

May 3rd, 2012, 10:32 AM

Lavender, much thanks for the congrats! I did miss reading your posts, and I am so excited for you on your upcoming marriage!!

Regarding awful little cows, now that i'm having a DD I worry that she will be bullied by one or a few of them! I had a good childhood growing up, I had a very close best friend and an older brother I adored, but school life was not so good. I was snubbed a lot by the other girls in my class and was basically an outsider; I did good in school, read books, and just hung out with my brother. Not a bad life, but it took my self-esteem a while to build up because there were so many downright ruthless mean girls in my class that were always putting me down for no reason. That is my biggest fear / issue with having a DD now is that it would just hurt so badly to think of any spoiled bratty girl treatin my girl badly, you know?

I don't care if my girl is a tomboy, or a girly girl, or wants to play soccer, or be a balleria, or just wants to be book worm like me, I just want her to be happy.

And I worry how hard that'll be with all the pressure and how mean little girls can be. With all the love I had in my family growing up, it took me a long time to accept myself and not worry what "they" would think.

Is this just a trial of being female? Did any of you experience that? I do honestly think females have a much harder life in so many ways. We're expected to do "everything" and it's hard getting away from that.

Sunset

May 3rd, 2012, 11:22 AM

Regarding awful little cows, now that i'm having a DD I worry that she will be bullied by one or a few of them! I had a good childhood growing up, I had a very close best friend and an older brother I adored, but school life was not so good. I was snubbed a lot by the other girls in my class and was basically an outsider; I did good in school, read books, and just hung out with my brother. Not a bad life, but it took my self-esteem a while to build up because there were so many downright ruthless mean girls in my class that were always putting me down for no reason. That is my biggest fear / issue with having a DD now is that it would just hurt so badly to think of any spoiled bratty girl treatin my girl badly, you know?

I don't care if my girl is a tomboy, or a girly girl, or wants to play soccer, or be a balleria, or just wants to be book worm like me, I just want her to be happy.

And I worry how hard that'll be with all the pressure and how mean little girls can be. With all the love I had in my family growing up, it took me a long time to accept myself and not worry what "they" would think.

Is this just a trial of being female? Did any of you experience that? I do honestly think females have a much harder life in so many ways. We're expected to do "everything" and it's hard getting away from that.

I have alot of the same worries you do.. I was never picked on or left out when i was young, instead i was one of the 'popular' girls but even that isn't perfect. Growing up a girl is hard regardless, especially the teenage years with all the pressure to be pretty and fit in. All we can do to help our daughters along the way is to teach them to be themselves and most importantly to be happy with themselves. I don't think however that boys necessarily have it any easier than girls growing up.. i remember when i was growing up the pressure on the boys to be good looking and good at sports and to be "cool" was probably equal to that of what we girls experience. The only difference having a daughter to a son is that we can relate so much more to growing up a girl and becoming a woman which is probably also why we worry about these issues more when we have a girl. Unfortunately though kids are mean. My ds1 loves playing with the older kids on our street but to them because he's younger he's not "worth" playing with so they all group together and avoid him and ds2 for dear life ie. don't talk to them, run away, tell them to go away.. especially the "cooler" older boys, they like to make gestures to their friends to ridicule my son when they think i cant see and i'm just sooo happy my sons are too young to understand still... one day though these kids will taste my wrath!!

deaks66

May 3rd, 2012, 12:25 PM

I LOVE the bunks. I was looking for iron bunks when looking for ds2's iron bed but I couldn't find any with a safety bar which yours have!! Also they never have ladders, how are your boys going to get into the top bunk or are they really good climbers?

I love the colour they are now so the blue you decribe will be perfect and agree sending them to Dorset to be shot blasted isn't economical. lol But great find, were they on e-bay? I bet your boys will love sharing a room mine always sneak into one anothers rooms and end up sleeping in the same bed.

Thankyou for the congratulations it really is fun planning a wedding and the fact that it's in four months means I won't change my mind and everything is already booked now so no turning back.

Thanks lavender, i love them too! Was a really lucky find on gumtree up in edinburgh! only £100 which i didn't think was too bad (though the same amount to courier too!). Yes i too wanted a safety bar although jellyjam lady gets one made and fitted to the bunks she finds (not as nice as the original though IMO) . As for the ladder, you can buy wooden ladders separately and if i cant find one to fit, might get a carpenter i know to make one. I even found instructions on the net of how to make one myself which i might do! Isn't the blue lovely.... there is a tiny bit of that blue in the ck cowboy wallpaper in their room so its going to look fab! Hope my boys love sharing as much as yours do! i think the excitement of a bunkbed will help!

zanacal

May 3rd, 2012, 12:50 PM

Deaks - we now have 3 boys sharing and they love it! The best thing in the world is hearing them wake up and chat/play with each other in the morning :D

Agh, my head hurts - you know how you always feel you should wake up the 2 year old who falls asleep just before dinner and then when they cry constantly for at least the next half an hour you wish you hadn't?!

The girls (even my 'best friends') at primary school were pretty horrible and although I don't remember I'm sure I wasn't all lovely myself either. The girls in DS1's class can be right little madams but the boys can be pretty awful too! It doesn't seem to me at the moment that boys have it any easier than girls - the things they say to be hurtful are just different!

maybebabythree

May 3rd, 2012, 01:37 PM

Congratulations on the wedding lavender! I love a project! Always have to have a project on the go! That was dave for the last three years and now it's finding another house - once I get back to working!

Love the bed deaks. I love victorian and Edwardian things as I grew up in a old house.

How are Charlie and babymad today ?

Yes it's though being a female. I was picked on at school as I was a do gooder swot type. My friends were mostly bitches who took turns being my best mate then not talking to me as they swooped friends a lot. My best mate was nasty to me at school then told me out of school she didn't mean it. I have some great friends now but on the whole I prefer to work with men in male dominated environments. If a man has a problem with you he will tell you to your face. A woman will bitch behind your back. Also I find that now people expect to much of woman. Work, be a mum, keep the house! Also most woman in the generation above me can't see beyond looks and dress size. My step mil said one day she had been waiting years for me to loose weight! What materialistic bimbo clap trap! I think she would think more if me if I was a size 8 but beat the kids!

Maybe that's why I want a girl. For another woman to love me for me dispite my pitfalls. But I do have a fantastic sister and wonderful friends. Some woman and girls are lovely and some are cavity brained bitches. Like some men!

pinga

May 3rd, 2012, 10:23 PM

Hello all... just been catching up...

Babymad - big <hugs>... I agree with what maybe said before.... Don't worry if you don't bond 100% immediately. But if you make sure you ask for help if you feel depressed after!!! My mum got terrible PND after I was born and was really sick (hysterectemy) and just didn't want anything to do with me. I think she always felt guilty... but I can assure you - it didn't affect my relationship with her at all. I think she felt more guilty. We mothers like to beat ourselves up... :)
I hope that bubbas arrival makes everything feel better than it currently does... it is a very lonely place to be. DH is the only one I have talked to about it.... but being a man he has talked about it and now doesn't feel the need to keep talking. Sigh. We'll just have to pray for lovely DILs!

Mmm girls can be shocking. DH teaches 8/9 year olds and the girls are always having "friend-dramas" that get completely out of proportion - drives him nuts!!! :) The other scary thing is what girls can say - my sisters friends daughter ended up with an eating disorder after being told she had to lose weight if she wanted to join the netball team. Terrible isn't it??

Was really cross with my inlaws last night. DH was on phone to FIL and he said he wants to arrange a dinner for Sat night to discuss our decision to move back to the UK. He wants us to use them as a sounding board for the decision. I was furious after. Poor DH was quite upset - he just wants them to be supportive... it isn't an easy decision but to be honest they don't have any say in this decision. When I moved to Australia, my Dad said to me that I had to follow my heart as its my life and I need to do what is right for me... even though he must have been devastated inside. Argghghghghghhhhhhhhh - dreading this "Dinner interogation". I wonder when they will realise that these are MY (OUR - sorry DH) children!!!! Sorry needed to rant :D

Inglewood

May 4th, 2012, 04:56 AM

Pinga, my MIL moved to Oz and we said the same as ur dad. She married her 1st love who moved to Oz when he was a teenager after yrs of being alone and although we weren't 100% happy, it was her decision. Hope ur Dh stands up to them and they realise it's ur choice!

Maybe, what a star u are, made my day yest!! according to the tax credit chart it turns out with 2 kids we get nil, with 3 we'll get £1500, so with 4??? Just have to wait for paperwork to come thru....so FX! Thanks!

Deaks, they'll look fab once done! We have extra large oak bunks for the boys and dreading getting them up the loft!! We didn't realise they were so big when we bought them, just thought all oak bunks were that expensive!! lol

As for the chat on wee girls, I wasn't popular nor unpopular, just in the middle at school (where I liked to be). I had friend both sides. I feel lucky the girls will have each other at school and I hope they, having to share alot in life aren't like one of those girls in my son's classes that I would dread to have as my daughter, but I never know how they will turn out. My boys are genuinely good kids, not spoilt and have good manners (always being told by other parents they are nice kids, which is so so nice). So Fx we get it right with the twins!

Off to asda..... lucky me! Have a good day ladies. xx

maybebabythree

May 4th, 2012, 06:50 AM

Pinga - ds1 is super skinney. Way to thin IMO. He was in the bottom 0.9% but not sure he is now. He looks ill sometimes but even HE thinks he is fat!!! He says he has flabby thighs FGS! I can only imagine he gets that dfrom school! I really worry he is going to be anerexic! I hate it that my parents generation think its great for him to be TOO thin. He needs to be normal. Not to care about this weight at his age. I really would worry if I had a DD as I think there is more focus on girls to be thin and I worry about my son. I didn't know boys felt that kind of pressure

Wishing4Pink

May 4th, 2012, 07:00 AM

Congratulations on the wedding Lavender, wonderful news!

Sorry i have't been around much lately, i do read up often but just never seem to have the time to post as so much to do to the house. Well swaying time has come around again and i start the diet monday. More scared this time than last time, and i've decided to do the le diet this time as well. Am i the only one swaying on this thread now :(

Big hello to everyone

x

Lavenderlime

May 5th, 2012, 11:52 AM

Wishing4pink.

Thank you. I'm not swaying but when I do eventually fall pregnant It will be sort of a sway as my eating habits have changed so much from swaying I never eat meals anymore and still eat a lot of the swaying foods like bowls of plain rice. Still don't add salt to any food. But now I will pick at the odd crisp from the boys packets or the odd chip but don't eat lots of them. I eat more veg and fruit but no where near as many as I did before swaying due to not making up meals.
So my eating habits have definitely changed.

I found out that two friends who have sons a few months younger than ds1 are both having girls the only sway they had was having a different man father their 2nd babies. I swear some men just don't make girls.

deaks66

May 5th, 2012, 12:41 PM

Lavender, its hard getting back into normal eating isn't it! i found the same. Still don't cook like i used too :( Isn't there a theory that some womens bodies automatically change from attracting one gender sperm to attracting the other once each baby is born? And some women, probably us lot, that just doesn't happen to!

charlieispy

May 6th, 2012, 03:10 AM

hi all sorry havnt been on x busy busy x congrats lavender on your wedding :D bet it will be devine x

Its funny how things work my friend has 3 boys with 3 different dads all boys, the last little boy has 2 older half sisters - so in theory she had a better chance of a girl.....and with the duggars 19kids and counting havnt they got 6 boys in a row then 4 girls......not that i could keep that up but must be something to do with the woman too i think.

AFM if swaying worked for me I should have had a girl when i had ds1 i was severely underweight my diet was appalling lived on sweeteners youghurt and diet coke had sex only once!! 4 boys it is for us though

Must run off for a meditation day my friend has booked REALLY needed i have one son with slap cheek another with a chest infection and my dads wedding tomorrow GOD i am dreading it :( will try and catch up soon my lovelies miss you

Sunset

May 7th, 2012, 12:49 PM

Hi ladies! hope you have all enjoyed your bank holiday weekend!

how are the baby bumps doing??

wishing4pink how's the diet going? :)

inglewood, petal and maybebaby ~ how are our smog babies doing?

zanacal ~ any signs yet of labour?

zanacal

May 7th, 2012, 03:52 PM

zanacal ~ any signs yet of labour?

I get plenty of crampy braxton hicks but I'm pretty sure I had them for a few weeks before I had DS3 too (no braxton hicks at all the first two times!). The others all came within a few days of my due date so I'll be surprised to get anything different this time! Thanks for asking :D

maybebabythree

May 7th, 2012, 04:42 PM

Zanacal seeing your ticker makes my eyes water! Seems so long ago I gave birth.

Kell hope your ok after your swollen hands?

Sunset dave is as dreamy as ever. Had his jabs last week little trooper. He sleeps eleven hours at night now! Breast feeding is getting painful again as now he pulls about on me. But it's going well overall. I wish I was one of these people who love bf but I only do it because it's health benefits. Don't think I will ever love it.

Inglewood

May 8th, 2012, 03:06 AM

Hi all, wee quick hello, been up since 5am, time to waken boys for school.

Hope ur all well? Girls are 5wks today, hate how time is flying by..... going into town with my mum later. She wants to do the 'proud' granny pram pushing!!

Maybe, like you with ds2 I only did it for him, never found BF at all enjoyable, how could I with thrush and bleeding nipples! with ds1 I had mastitis, so was a no go for me with twins....your should be so proud of yourself for still going! x

Better go. Boys should of been up 5mins ago... xx

Sunset

May 8th, 2012, 06:27 AM

Zanacal ~ it's so exciting! won't be long now! have you got everything ready for baby? have you decided on a name yet?

maybebaby ~ such a shame you're not enjoying breastfeeding. You're such a trooper though! 11 hours!! wow he's doing so well! my baby still has me up twice at night for feeds lol i'm a tired mama!

inglewood ~ wow 5 weeks already! i'm sure your mum will get lots of "oohs and aahhs" today :p your twins are just so adorable! i love the pics on fb!

pinga

May 8th, 2012, 06:29 AM

NOT very happy - found a redback spider in the sandpit today as the boys were climbing in. It was already dead but I made them get out and now I don't want them going back in it at all!!!! Its the first redback I've seen while I've lived over here. Its just scary. Stupid spiders here...

Zanacal - wow you are so close now.... I've been having Braxton Hicks - I never felt them with my other 2 pregnancies so its quite a new sensation. They can be quite strong!

Inglewood - where did 5 weeks go?

I feel so bad - I'm getting so ratty with the boys. I know its just that my back aches, I'm tired and just big and pregnant. So my patience is non-existent and I have no energy to do anything with them. Feel guilty.... I wonder if I would be different if I knew I was expecting a girl.

Hope everyone else is doing well...

Kell

May 8th, 2012, 11:18 AM

Maybe I'm all good thanks, I've had a nasty cough and cold bp was up but doctor said that was because of the constant steps from the cough :( I think the swelling was me just over doing it.
Made the same mistake today actually, and feeling a bit battered :S

Inglewood holy cow where did 5weeks go!? Still haven't seen pictures of them. Lol
Hope u enjoyed your time in town!

Pinga omg I'd poo myself seeing that! I'm ok ish with spiders I'm the one that has to get them out but nothing like the ones you have out there!

Lavender what lovely news! Wow you've not given yourself long to plan the big day at all!

How are all the growing babies?

maybebabythree

May 8th, 2012, 04:51 PM

Kell keep a eye on your bp dearie - no over doing it for you! Plenty of time to run yourself ragged after little dd arrives!

Pinga I can't stand the massive house spiders of the uk so would die of fright over there! I used to work in a fruit packing factory as a student. Almost picked up a bird eating terantula (sorry for spelling) and it was alive! Rats from the bananas and a few scorpions and dh had snakes - all alive! Worse was 18 black widows in one day for m&s (yum yum!) oh and that brown stuff on the bananas isn't always bruseing. Found a two inch cockroach in some bananas one day so my boss battered it to dead and sent the bananas on their merry way covered in cockroach juice. Amazing I still love all fruit!

Still so in love with dave even though he burps and passes wind really load in public and people thinks it's me!

indigoviolet

May 9th, 2012, 05:02 AM

Gosh, know how you feel pinga ((hugs))

Just popping in quickly just to say that I'm still here!

Charlie- how was the wedding? Hope the relax day was good.

I'm pretty grumpy at the moment, Dh been poorly and weather crap. Had a nice b'day party for friend of ds1 yesterday though, NO girls there and just boy mums so NO stupid, annoying comments (I'm still getting so many and it is just BORING! 'well the next one will be a girl' 'my girl (after 2boys) is worth her weight in gold' etc etc ugh). So glad I can vent a bit to you girls, it really does wind me up, I just can't believe how thoughtless people can be.

Love to you all :HH:

deaks66

May 9th, 2012, 06:04 AM

Wishing4Pink

May 9th, 2012, 08:54 AM

The diet is going well thanks sunset, miss snacking already though.

Can't believe how time is flying with all your babies and pregnancies, where does is go?!

x

Inglewood

May 9th, 2012, 04:15 PM

Pinga, I got super crabby near the end.... can't be helped.

Kell, I'm on fb if u fancy a nosey at the twins.

Maybe, that made me laugh, bet u get funny looks! lol

Inglewood

May 9th, 2012, 04:17 PM

maybebabythree

May 9th, 2012, 06:38 PM

Inglewood I have my tax credit form. There is no where to put in the fact that I earn less this year and you can't have your payments backdated - go figure!!!! So if they only ever want to know about last year and only pay one month in arears then I will only ever four weeks of the £49 a week that i am owed?? WTH??? Another phone call tomorrow. Why is it soooooo painful???? They used to do it all over the phone -gggrrgghhh!!!!!!

Sunset

May 10th, 2012, 11:36 AM

The diet is going well thanks sunset, miss snacking already though.

Can't believe how time is flying with all your babies and pregnancies, where does is go?!

x

when are you gonna make your first attempt? glad to hear the diet is going well :) i'm curious about the le diet, what do you usually eat in a day?

Sunset

May 10th, 2012, 11:40 AM

Im the same indigo... had so many comments yesterday about the gender and ALL bloody insensitive... even my own aunt and my midwife. Just want to snap and shout of course i bloody want a girl! But as usual im like oh no im gonna love 3 boys! Hopefully im running out of people to annoy me about it!

Anyway hi all, got my parents staying for a few days so im tied to the dishwasher, oven and cup of tea making. Hope you are all well! Cant believe im 17 weeks... time flies with number 3! have you all found the same or are you going to tell me it will slow down once im in the 20's and 30's?!

X

gender comments suck big time! :( have you told everyone now? when is your 20 week scan? have you got an appointment through yet? have you got a bump? you need to post some pictures of your baby bump :) i apologise for bombarding you with questions :P
my 3rd pregnancy flew by! it did feel like time was dragging in the middle for a while but as soon as i was 24-26 weeks it just shot by.

Sunset

May 10th, 2012, 11:43 AM

Sunset

May 10th, 2012, 11:51 AM

Pinga ~ I would have died lol I hate spiders with a passion! eugh!

Maybebaby ~ love reading how in love with dave you are :D nothing beats the newborn stage, it's so special :) my baby has just recovered from a viral infection.. she had a temperature of 39c on tuesday, pretty scary. hows dave doing?

babymad ~ how are you and bump? how many weeks are you now? thinking of you hun!

charlieispy ~ how are the meds working? hope you start to feel better soon

maybepink3 ~ we haven't heard from you in a long while. how are you and bump? hope you're doing ok! please check in from time to time.

zanacal ~ i love the hanging basket you got for dd.. i've never seen one like it before. where did you get it from? :)

hello to everyone else! thinking of you all :HH:

indigoviolet

May 10th, 2012, 03:20 PM

Feeling a bit better today. Really trying to enjoy this pregnancy knowing it will most probably be my last, just hard some days with the incessant comments. Deaks, like you said, hopefully we have got through the most and worst of the comments now . I love that you and the others on here know exactly what I'm talking about, it really helps :HH:

I have never taken a bump pic....might try one and will post for you girls!

Anyone watching BGT? I got hooked this series for some reason and enjoying this week of shows.

Love to you all, will catch up soon.

maybebabythree

May 10th, 2012, 07:23 PM

Got a lovely photo of Dave smiling today - it's all going too fast.

Is there one swayer left? I would like to hear about the LE diet - sounds very un yummy! I can't stand food now. Another reason to not love BFing. Puts me off food. Really fancy going out on the town and getting steaming drunk as haven't drunk in a year now (not a big drinker anyway).

MIL hell is in full swing again, she said she would NEVER come back! Now she asked when she could stay. We said a week but again she wants six weeks! Why she asked i cant imagine, it was never up for discussion. She is so manipulative. Her ruining six weeks of maternity leave fills me with dread. Anyone fancy a live in nanny for six weeks?

Indigo not seen much BGT but loving the voice. Also watching the series on great olmond street. I cried before the opening credits, so very sad. Watched a old horrizon last night at 1am for the last feed. It was about the make up of the earths core, how it effects the poles and deflects protons from the solar winds. Before kids i would have found it fasinating. Now my iq is too low and it gave me a nightmare lol! Another reason to love being a mummy. if the conversation gets above nappy contents of volumes of sick my head explodes!

pinga

May 10th, 2012, 07:54 PM

:) Maybe - I totally agree on motherhood disintegrating IQ. I used to like Arty films and now I'm always saying to DH... oh no... I'd rather watch something something brainless :D Oh and your MIL sounds like a right royal pain!

Wishing (I think you are the one swaying) - When is your attempt - you might have said - can't remember :)

Indigo - I've been enjoying the pregnancy overall because it really is an amazing thing... but I feel as though there is a little black cloud over me that never quite goes away. Another friend just announced that she is expecting a little girl (after 2 boys).

Well - my BP has started its usual up and down. Almost had to stay at the hospital for fetal monitoring yesterday (4 hours). Had 2 insane children with me and wasn't keen. But luckily the doc just rushed through bloods and urine tests for pre-eclampsia. She said she didn't think I had it so was happy to just look at the tests. I always get up and down BP at the end of pregnancy.

Deaks - these last few weeks are DRAAAAGGING!!!!! ;)

maybebabythree

May 11th, 2012, 03:56 AM

Oh no pinga! Once they drag you in for bp tests you get stressed and it goes up more. I am still on my meds for my bp

Sunset

May 11th, 2012, 04:43 AM

Oh no pinga! Once they drag you in for bp tests you get stressed and it goes up more. I am still on my meds for my bp

when do they think you can come off them? have you started weaning of the meds yet?

zanacal

May 11th, 2012, 08:03 AM

Sunset - I've used the hammock for all my babies (so it's about 6 years old now!). It's an Amby Nature's Nest and it's fab. You can use them up to around 12 months but I tend to take mine out at 4-6 months and move them to their cot then. They've all slept great as newborns so I'm hoping this baby will follow the same trend!

Sorry for the lack of personals, I'm so knackered! I was hoping I might be nesting by now but I just want to be sleeping :D The midwife wasn't sure which way up the baby was this morning so I'm going for a presentation scan on Wednesday. The same thing happened at the end of my last pregnancy and he was head down with a boney bum so I'm hoping it'll be the same. I do think she's turned back to back though - again, usual for me!

deaks66

May 11th, 2012, 03:23 PM

So beat this for the worst ever morning of reactions to boy number 3. A friend of a friend asked me if i knew what i was having and i said at 14 weeks the sonog was pretty confident it is a boy. She literally grimaced!! I was so taken aback. Then a few mintues later i bumped into someone else i know and when she asked and i told her she said oh well i'll be all right. OMG what is wrong with all these anti-boy people!!!!!! I had a really crap day yesterday as my parents left me feeling drained after they had stayed for 3 days. Their relationship with each other and mine with my dad is pretty crap and just takes me back to my childhood of feeling miserable. Anyway i woke up this morning feeling much brighter and then the comments start so i was back to square one!

Anyway sorry for the me me me, hope you are all well, just needed a vent! Love to you all, the babies and the bumps X

threelittlemenandcounting

May 11th, 2012, 03:35 PM

Hello Ladies I need to catch up big time, but please know I think about you girls everyday and am here cheering you on each day !!!

xxx

Sunset

May 11th, 2012, 04:02 PM

threelittmen ~ how are you doing? still feeling broody? are you planning on having another baby still? :) hows your dd?

deaks ~ omg... how insensitive can people be??? that's horrible.. ((hugs))

Zanacal ~ you have to let us know how your scan goes. have all your births been vaginal births before? do you have short or long labours? i apologise for asking 1010 questions, i'm just so excited for you! :D i love the hammock! i wish i would have known about them before! i will definitely remember it for the future if i have anymore children. :)

Petal

May 13th, 2012, 03:34 PM

Hi all,

Gosh sorry i havent been on here in ages!!!

Ah Deaks, some people really hack you off dont they!!!As hard as it is, they do stop once the baby is born :-) so roll on the next 24 weeks for you!! hows the pregnancy going?

Babymad... not long now hun, soo hope you're feeling better, soon have that beautiful baby in your arms :-)

Sunset, cant beleive your little lady is 4 months already!!!

Nice to hear from you TLM!! when is number 5? tehe

Hope your scan goes well Zanacal :-)

Put your feet up Kell!! make sure you rest ;-)

Hi and love to everyone x x