2022 TWW Thread!

Some of us get those very severe, almost crippling O pains several times a year (me!) In fact there's this whole group of us who have the massive O pains and then no menstrual cramps at all. So when asking me "what could this be caused by" it can certainly be caused by absolutely nothing, certainly nothing that indicates any problem. Many of us didn't have them when young, or ONLY had them when young, or when we were on BCP, or off BCP, or any of many different scenarios. So there's really nothing I can point to where I can say "oh yes it's this thing, it's that thing" because there's too many people getting that who are not having either of those things LOL.

Again, and I'm sorry to sound like a broken record but the left O pain doesn't mean you ovulated from that side, because many people find that ovulation actually alleviates O pains. It is entirely possible that the severe pain was from the side that didn't ovulate (and I have seen so many people sure they knew the side they Oed from O pain who actually Oed from the other side and were flabbergasted when they had an ultrasound!)

No, it doesn't mean double ovulation has taken place. People have ultrasounds done and report to me just one ovulation even in months with severe O pain.

All that having been said, it's the month after a loss, and it isn't surprising or unexpected that various things would be different this month. Maybe you developed more eggs. Maybe you had higher/lower estrogen at ovulation. Maybe you were just more inflamed and therefore felt more pain than usual. At any rate, there's nothing to be alarmed about (if you were), it's just a variation of natural and there's every possibility that you'll just go back to the way things were in the past, in other months. (but hopefully you'll get pregnant this month and it won't matter)

Thanks Atomic! It’s a mystery for sure…

I wanted to check with you if it’s ok if I have 3 meals a day? Today for instance I didn’t get to eat until 2pm (was out with DH & my kids grocery shopping). Then I had dinner at 6pm and by the time 9pm rolled around I was starving and way under my goals for the day… so I had a 3rd meal (but no snacking in between). I hope that’s ok, I’m paranoid because I’m ovulating at the moment and don’t want to ruin things!

I think I need to continue on 3 meals because 2 meals is hard in that I’d have to eat 800cal worth of food in each sitting and I don’t think I could physically stomach it!

I’ve also been thinking much more positively recently… today I went for my usual 60 minute walk and I thought about the fact that maybe I’m pregnant and I thought about the girl name I love, and I looked up at that moment and saw a beautiful rainbow in the sky in front of the clouds… I’m a big believer in signs and intuition and just that moment alone made me so happy and made me so grateful that I’m on this journey.

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Thanks Atomic! It’s a mystery for sure…

I wanted to check with you if it’s ok if I have 3 meals a day? Today for instance I didn’t get to eat until 2pm (was out with DH & my kids grocery shopping). Then I had dinner at 6pm and by the time 9pm rolled around I was starving and way under my goals for the day… so I had a 3rd meal (but no snacking in between). I hope that’s ok, I’m paranoid because I’m ovulating at the moment and don’t want to ruin things!

I think I need to continue on 3 meals because 2 meals is hard in that I’d have to eat 800cal worth of food in each sitting and I don’t think I could physically stomach it!

I’ve also been thinking much more positively recently… today I went for my usual 60 minute walk and I thought about the fact that maybe I’m pregnant and I thought about the girl name I love, and I looked up at that moment and saw a beautiful rainbow in the sky in front of the clouds… I’m a big believer in signs and intuition and just that moment alone made me so happy and made me so grateful that I’m on this journey.

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Hi cookies! Joining you in the tww here…Ive read your story and so sorry for your loss and hope you get your rainbow baby soon! I got 5 days of flashy before my peak last month, and this month 3 circles followed by a solid smiley with no high reading at all! What is more confusing is that i got my pos opk on the same day as my peak reading but it lasted for 3 days! I went in for a scan on the 3rd day of Pos OPK and saw that ovulation had happened already. So I guess there is no way to really pinpoint O! I am 4dpo now…8th month trying! Need a place to talk because the wait is killing me!

Both 2 and 3 meals are equally acceptable on LE Diet. You absolutely CAN have three meals and I think you should have them all the time. Most of us, myself included, have three. It's all about what works better for each individual - some people actually prefer just two big meals, others do better on three.

Hi ladies, joining you here for TWW. I have been TTC Blue for over a year now. Currently I'm 5/6 dpo of a 26/27 day cycle. I used opk strips but I never really got a positive. I held my pee for 4 hours and tested by 2pm and 5pm but surprisingly there was absolutely no visible line when I tested on cd 10 and 11 (Atomic I don't even know how that is possible, I always heard that there's always some LH in our bodies!).

I was so scared that something bad was happening to me, because that was my first time not having a second line show up on the test strip. On cd 12 a faint line showed up. But it didn't get any darker by cd 13 or 14. I ran out of tests so I have no way of knowing if and when I ovulated.

I had watery cm from cd 9 up till cd 14. By cd 14 my cm changed to creamy. I also had strong ovulation pains and bloating on cd 12, and worse on cd13. By cd 14 it stopped. If I did ovulate, I'd guess it happened on cd 13.

By now I know a lot of weird things happen in our bodies while TTCing but I hope we all get our bfps this month.

Good luck Cookies and Onelittlewish [emoji1696]

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Hi ladies, joining you here for TWW. I have been TTC Blue for over a year now. Currently I'm 5/6 dpo of a 26/27 day cycle. I used opk strips but I never really got a positive. I held my pee for 4 hours and tested by 2pm and 5pm but surprisingly there was absolutely no visible line when I tested on cd 10 and 11 (Atomic I don't even know how that is possible, I always heard that there's always some LH in our bodies!).

I was so scared that something bad was happening to me, because that was my first time not having a second line show up on the test strip. On cd 12 a faint line showed up. But it didn't get any darker by cd 13 or 14. I ran out of tests so I have no way of knowing if and when I ovulated.

I had watery cm from cd 9 up till cd 14. By cd 14 my cm changed to creamy. I also had strong ovulation pains and bloating on cd 12, and worse on cd13. By cd 14 it stopped. If I did ovulate, I'd guess it happened on cd 13.

By now I know a lot of weird things happen in our bodies while TTCing but I hope we all get our bfps this month.

Good luck Cookies and Onelittlewish [emoji1696]

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Thanks 9jamama! All my bluedust to you! We are about at the same time in the cycle…I am about 5dpo today and I have 13 days LP, expecting af on the 26th. How are you feeling?

good luck everyone. prayers for you all

I am skipping this cycle because of fasting. DH hardly able release as well which worries me that i may have to skip next cycle too and get back to bd pattern.


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9jama, it's just about the concentration in your urine. the tests can only pick up the hormone when it reaches a certain strength in your urine, and if it's less than that (regardless of what your blood levels are) you will not get a line.

Since you are having cycles and are experiencing O symptoms at the appropriate time you are ovulating regardless of what the OPK say!

Thanks Atomic, I guess the brand I used may not have been sensitive enough. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Wishing you all the best Jazmin as you fast. Hopefully you'll be able to get everything on track for the next cycle.

Onelittlewish, I'm not sure how many dpo I am but AF is due on the 24th. As for symptoms I've had: a little bit of lower back pain for 2 days now. Its a mild pain that pain comes and goes. Bloating for some days. Headaches started mildly yesterday and that's usually a PMS sign for me. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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Thanks Atomic, I guess the brand I used may not have been sensitive enough. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Wishing you all the best Jazmin as you fast. Hopefully you'll be able to get everything on track for the next cycle.

Onelittlewish, I'm not sure how many dpo I am but AF is due on the 24th. As for symptoms I've had: a little bit of lower back pain for 2 days now. Its a mild pain that pain comes and goes. Bloating for some days. Headaches started mildly yesterday and that's usually a PMS sign for me. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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9jamama, cm has always been pretty reliable for me i hope it is right for you too! I had severe bloating on 4dpo for a day but other than that nothing other than my cold symptoms. Not super hopeful this month too. Keep me updated!

Jazmin, hope all goes well with your next cycle! And blessed Ramadan!

Hi Onelittlewish! Thanks for saying hi! Sending you lots of baby dust. Let us know how you get on! Xx

How's everyone going? I'm 3-4 DPO and feeling pretty over it.

6 months on LE is a lot. I miss snacking, and being able to eat whatever I want, whenever, without thinking about it. When I was pregnant I had this huge sigh of relief when I realised I could eat whatever I wanted now. It was such a buzz kill going through easter last weekend without eating any chocolate. I am growing weary of trying to squeeze an hour of cardio in every day; we don't use day care so it's a load on my husband to have to watch our 2 and 5 year olds every single afternoon while I exercise for an hour. It pushes our dinner and bedtimes back by an hour, and is an hour I'd rather be spending with my kids out at the beach doing something fun and making memories. Or an hour every day spent writing my book, or on the couch with my hubby at the end of the day watching a film, quality time as a couple. Or doing one of the thousand and one other things I need to get done every day as a time-poor working Mum of 2.

It's doing my head in a bit. TTC after a loss is hard enough, but now that I know about swaying, I feel like I can't do it any other way. It's a big pressure on an already pressurised situation. Anyone else feel like this? I feel like there aren't many people swaying now compared with a few years ago, so maybe I'm not alone and other people have found it too hard long term. It just doesn't feel entirely sustainable and I'm so tired generally, and fatigued by the mental load of LE and constant exercise / E4D when I want to fall pregnant. Like right now I'm about to go for my walk, I want a snack, but my swaying brain says that's bad, so I'm hungry, and it makes me grumpy at my hubby and kids. It just makes life harder than it already is.

I know I can have a 'snack' or second meal before exercising, but it doesn't work for me because we eat dinner as soon as I get home. I'm 36, worried about fertility after a loss and really I should just be grateful to be TTC at all, rather than lowering my fertility to sway a certain percentage one way or the other. It's hard not to feel like this sometimes. I really hope I'm pregnant this month because I don't know how much longer I can sway. Being in the TWW is bringing up a lot of feelings I guess. ❤️

Hey just wanted to encourage you that a lot of girl moms kinda feel this way. I think it’s the lack of energy from snacking and the cardio on top of it. The ones that I’ve talked to that have all girls are always kinda “done”. I never did cardio and was doing about the same activity with all 3 but with my girls I was definitely eating LE for a long time. Fx you get a bfp soon!!


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Hey just wanted to encourage you that a lot of girl moms kinda feel this way. I think it’s the lack of energy from snacking and the cardio on top of it. The ones that I’ve talked to that have all girls are always kinda “done”. I never did cardio and was doing about the same activity with all 3 but with my girls I was definitely eating LE for a long time. Fx you get a bfp soon!!


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This may come into play as part of the mystery why blue swayers always want to have their kids so close together, an ongoing puzzle that I have written about here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...t=blue+swayers Maybe they're just over it all and want to move on with their lives.

But Cookies, remember, you had cut back way too far anyway and so if you need to add a little food back in, be it in the form of an extra meal a day or some chocolate, so be it.

Chocolate at Easter is MANDATORY. No one should ever be skipping holiday treats for swaying. That is why cheating is not only encouraged, it is a must do. Because you do miss out on those precious memories, and you can do all that, deprive yourself of everything wonderful in this world only to end up getting an opposite anyway.

I insist you eat some chocolate immediately.

I do want you to be aware that the 2ww is known for both being very "hungry" times, and also emotionally speaking, you're at a low point. I personally find that the week after O is the time when most of us are at an emotional nadir, very discouraged just in general (and this is without swaying). It's the time people are tempted to give up, and I often get messages from people telling me they ARE giving up and then I say "did you O a few days ago" and they did!

Because you are so thin, I think you absolutely could drop at least a day or two of exercise and still ahve good results with it. I think you SHOULD do that for the sake of your sanity and emotional wellbeing!

Thank you so much @Thefinalcountdown & Atomic. Honestly your encouragement and understanding means so much. I woke up this morning and read these messages first thing (after my first decent night of sleep in a long time) and it made me feel so much better. That's so interesting about the week after O being a low point. I've been so crabby and tired the past few days, which is not like me, and I said to my DH I feel like maybe it's hormone-related, which it could be in the TWW. A friend of mine asked me on the street if we're trying for a baby this year and it just hurt, she's heavily pregnant and I just wish she hadn't asked me that, I didn't want to share that I just had a MC.

@Thefinalcountdown that is an interesting way of looking at it too! I know my sister, who has 2 girls, is always and forever 'burning out'. She's addicted to being busy, is highly strung and always has way too many things going on at once and lots of stress (plus never eats breakfast, and exercises every day, loves wine and coffee). She fell pregnant with her DD2 the month after an early miscarriage too. Another friend of mine (my ex boss actually) is highly strung and always busy and has two girls, the latter one was conceived first cycle after an early MC too. It does seem to add up and I guess in a way this mentality would only help my sway... I haven't been obsessing over my sway at all because I'm too busy spinning all of the plates! And I do think the reason the sway may not have worked last time (which I'm so grateful for as it gave me my beloved DS2) is because I'd only been on the diet for 11 weeks. Now it's almost 6 months and feels much more like a lifestyle than a 'crash diet'.

Thanks Atomic, I did eat one easter egg so that's something. I also had a 'cheat' last night and ate a sausage before bed because I was hungry (first meat I've eaten in ages). I think I just need to accept that after this long on the diet, I cannot be as disciplined, so a snack here and there, or going down to 4 days of exercise rather than 6 will all be ok too.

Yeah you are living the “girl mom lifestyle”!! Funny enough, I now feel really busy and capable after being on the HE for a few months. Like I can really invest time in being controlling over all things since I have the energy for it.


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Thank you so much @Thefinalcountdown & Atomic. Honestly your encouragement and understanding means so much. I woke up this morning and read these messages first thing (after my first decent night of sleep in a long time) and it made me feel so much better. That's so interesting about the week after O being a low point. I've been so crabby and tired the past few days, which is not like me, and I said to my DH I feel like maybe it's hormone-related, which it could be in the TWW. A friend of mine asked me on the street if we're trying for a baby this year and it just hurt, she's heavily pregnant and I just wish she hadn't asked me that, I didn't want to share that I just had a MC.

@Thefinalcountdown that is an interesting way of looking at it too! I know my sister, who has 2 girls, is always and forever 'burning out'. She's addicted to being busy, is highly strung and always has way too many things going on at once and lots of stress (plus never eats breakfast, and exercises every day, loves wine and coffee). She fell pregnant with her DD2 the month after an early miscarriage too. Another friend of mine (my ex boss actually) is highly strung and always busy and has two girls, the latter one was conceived first cycle after an early MC too. It does seem to add up and I guess in a way this mentality would only help my sway... I haven't been obsessing over my sway at all because I'm too busy spinning all of the plates! And I do think the reason the sway may not have worked last time (which I'm so grateful for as it gave me my beloved DS2) is because I'd only been on the diet for 11 weeks. Now it's almost 6 months and feels much more like a lifestyle than a 'crash diet'.

Thanks Atomic, I did eat one easter egg so that's something. I also had a 'cheat' last night and ate a sausage before bed because I was hungry (first meat I've eaten in ages). I think I just need to accept that after this long on the diet, I cannot be as disciplined, so a snack here and there, or going down to 4 days of exercise rather than 6 will all be ok too.

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Hi Cookies, I totally feel you here. 8 months ttc and 10 months on the diet and every month when I got a BFN I was more stressed about the fact that I had to carry on the diet rather than the fact that I wasn't getting pregnant. But I second everything Atomic said in her previous post...the longer I am on the diet the more I understand her reasons behind.

I was quite disciplined in the 1st 6 months (I don't think I was super strict at what I eat but I tried my best not to snack, cut out sugar and white carbs and 6 days of exercise) and I wasn't hungry or starving at all. Nevertheless I still had to use my all will power to control myself and I became emo with my kids and of course they threw more tantrums and vicious cycle. My mood swings were causing a lot of tension between me and my family to a point I thought I cannot continue like this anymore. But like you said once you know that swaying is out there you cannot just do nothing. So it's either keep swaying or quit ttc. Then I tried to loosen up bit by bit and it was hard because I had dealt with the guilt that came along. I felt that I would fail even though I knew in my mind that "it's ok" but my heart didn't. And honestly speaking every month I saw BFN I was relieved because I thought I could do "better" next month. So fast forward to today, sometimes I still struggle with the guilt but most of the time I have made peace with myself and I think as long as I am still mindful and conscious about my diet it is a change from my past. Maybe it is good enough to get me a girl, maybe it is not but this is the best I can do without quitting completely and I don't think I could have done differently. Now I eat the best to avoid food meat/banana/tomato/potato occasionally, I do have some sugar and dessert every day but definitely with self control, I push back my breakfast to mid day on the school days when I am always out and about in the morning and have my brekkie on the weekends as my treats so I am fuelled to take care of the kids, and I try not to snack but I'd eat when I can't shake the thought off my head.

I am 9DPO today and feeling absolutely nothing lol. I also don't have my BBT so I really have no clue as to what's going on but I am really glad that I stopped charting (not voluntarily of course, thanks to my DS) and this is probably my most chilled month ever. I didn't know how obsessed I was until I stopped. Not having high hopes because I kind of gave up on the possibility of us conceiving with 1 attempt in the fertile window but never say never right!

Anyway, hope you are feeling better Cookies and it is a tough journey but you are not alone :wink:

Hi Cookies, hope you feel better today. After about 15 months on the HE diet I can say that Swaying is hardwork! I can remember how many times I almost quit the past year but when I imagine myself carrying my little baby boy in my arms, I decide to try one more day.

But at this point, I'm tired and I just want to get pregnant, I'll take a little baby girl today over no baby at all. Every time I see that just one line on the HPT I feel so sad.

I'm 10dpo today and I have another BFN. I think I might have to take a break, maybe 3-4 months so I can loose some weight. I feel like there's no point carrying this excess weight around if I can't even get pregnant.

Best of luck to y'all. Hang in there Cookies this might just be your month after all [emoji6].

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Thank you all so much for your words of support and encouragement. It means so much to me, it really does. I was thinking about your posts on my walk today and how your support really makes me feel so much less alone at a time when I feel very, very much alone on this journey.

I've been upping my calories a bit, from 1550 to as much as 1800 and will weigh myself tomorrow to see how I'm going. The way I see it, I just can't really afford to lose any more weight so even if I gain half a kilo I can lose that again easily in a fortnight. I'm finding it hard to get to my fat and protein goals because I can't eat dairy and I'm not eating meat... where else on earth does one find fat & protein without meat or dairy...

I had such strong pregnancy symptoms with my last pregnancy (that ended in miscarriage) from 6DPO (implantation pain, increased discharge, dizziness etc) so it's hard not to symptom spot this time around. Lucky I've been busy with work etc so that keeps my mind off it. I think I'm going to tell myself I'm doing this for 3 more months and then will re-evaluate after that.

@Atomic, how long do you think I should stick with 1 attempt / E4D before adding attempts? I conceived DS2 with one attempt and DH always wants to do every second day when in the fertile week, so just making a game plan for the future. It is hard when I so badly want to be pregnant again after my loss but am just having 1 attempt in the fertile window (which got me a beautiful DS last time anyway!). It's 3 years since I last conceived so I can't help but think my age is a factor (I'm 36 now) and as a Dr said to me when I had my IUD removed a year ago, 'it might take longer for you to conceive this time around'. I know a lot of women conceive easily when they're over 35 (Mum had me at 39 and my sister at 36), but I have 2 out of 3 MTHF genetic mutations so am conscious of miscarriage risks with my age etc.

Part of me thinks maybe we should have started trying earlier, when I was 35, but I wanted my DS2 to have at least 3 years as the baby of the family, that means a lot to me. We didn't feel ready until relatively recently.

11dpo and BFN here :sad:

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Ok I take that back…my FRER arrived tonight and I tested in the late evening and I think I am seeing a vvvvvvvvvvvvfl at 4 min mark. I hope its not my line eyes or evap or another ghost line. Last time I said I saw a shadow on my antigen test and DH thought I was crazy :worry: I hope this is really it

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OMG!! I think I can see the second. I pray this is the beginning of your bfp, Onelittlewish [emoji1696]. Congratulations [emoji3060]

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Thank you 9jamama, I took another FRER today this morning and the lines are still super faint. It came up within 5 min but I can't tell if there is color to it since it is barely there but I don't have to squint to see the lines at all. I know it's only been 8 hours since my last test but I am still nervous that it won't progress. I used a cheapie (10 miu) and the lines came up after it dried up but a proper line. I'll probably test again tomorrow or wait till I miss my period but it's hard to not get my hopes up. How are you doing?

That's so exciting Onelittlewish, hopefully you'll get a clear bfp tomorrow. it's so annoying when you have to squint to see a line, it leaves you wondering and hoping.

As for me, AF is here right on time. DH came back from his trip and I told him we had to BD today because AF would show her face today but he was quite hopeful, it wouldn't start. But she's here and I'm sure he's glad he listened to me, though we are both sad it didn't work out again. If only getting pregnant was simple.

I've started cardio, and reduced my food portion size. My goal is to reduce 5kg within the next 2 months. I've asked DH to visit the doctor for a sperm analysis. I don't know if there's anything else I can do in the meantime.

Good luck to everyone trying.

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That's so exciting Onelittlewish, hopefully you'll get a clear bfp tomorrow. it's so annoying when you have to squint to see a line, it leaves you wondering and hoping.

As for me, AF is here right on time. DH came back from his trip and I told him we had to BD today because AF would show her face today but he was quite hopeful, it wouldn't start. But she's here and I'm sure he's glad he listened to me, though we are both sad it didn't work out again. If only getting pregnant was simple.

I've started cardio, and reduced my food portion size. My goal is to reduce 5kg within the next 2 months. I've asked DH to visit the doctor for a sperm analysis. I don't know if there's anything else I can do in the meantime.

Good luck to everyone trying.

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I am sorry that this is not the month for you…sperm analysis is also what we will do if this month fails. I was at my highest weight when I conceived my DS1. We were traveling and i was eating alot and I was doing weight and eating very clean and trying to build up muscles. I lost all my baby weight + some more before conceiving DS2 but I was eating alot of steak. I went from veggie + chicken lover to steak lover after having DS1. I always thought swaying blue is easier but I guess when we sway we change our body in one way or another.

I took another frer with FMU today and still very faint line. I got my blood drawn this morning because I just need to know if those lines mean anything. I can’t be getting 3 days of ghost lines right? I never see a line on my frers but I know they are notorious for indents. Even I am indeed preg kind of doubt whether this is a viable one. Will know later today..

Hi guys, I am so happy to report I received a BFP tonight, at 9DPO... I had really strong back pain two days ago that just wouldn't budge, and the only other time I have had that feeling was when I implanted with my last pregnancy.

Hoping everything goes well with this one... the line at 9DPO is stronger than my last one was at 10DPO and 11DPO, so hoping all is well in there. I took a FRER tonight after dinner, and thought it would be negative because I drank 3 litres of water today, but it came up positive before 3 mins.

Now I'm paranoid because looking back at my posts here, the day after my ov cramping I ate 3 meals instead of my usual 2... please Atomic reassure my crazy brain that that third meal while possibly ovulating hasn't ruined my sway? I remember that day I didn't get to eat anything until after 2pm (which would surely be good, sway-wise), then I ate dinner at 6pm and another meal at 9 (it was more like a snack than a meal). I also did my 1 hour cardio. I didn't log my 9pm calories, only my two meals; the 2 meals came to 866 cals (15g protein, 153g carbs, 22g fat). Hopefully that 18 hour fast in the morning did good things for my sway on O day and the 9pm snack hasn't ruined me!

It seems to make more sense that the egg would have its chemical makeup decided before it is released, and that it would be more geared toward XX or XY prior to its release, rather than changing which sperm it prefers on ovulation day? Am I making any sense at all (crazy lady here). Like in the months and months you're swaying your body starts deciding to release the pink eggs because times are harder?

One thing that definitely felt different this month is that I had ZERO sex drive. Normally I have to hold myself back from O during BD for the sake of my sway, but this month there was literally no way I was going to orgasm. My libido was literally non existent. I wonder if that has something to do with the post-miscarriage hormones.

I'm so happy to be pregnant, baby will be due around Jan 7. Sending everyone all the babydust, I hope if this month isn't your month then next month is. Xx

Yay! Great news!! No- one meal isn’t going to hurt anything! I was eating lots of cals when I got preg with my girls but the fasting was really the key. It’s the overall trend! I think you have a great shot! Lots of all girl moms have zero sex drive! Praying for a healthy baby!!!


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So happy for you Cookies! I think it's the long term environment that matters, otherwise we can just starve ourselves for a week and then get a girl. It would be so much easier!

As to my situation, I am not sure what to think! I just received my result and it came back <5miu meaning I am not pregnant at all. Out of curiosity I took another FRER and a line came up within a minute, meaning FRER is detecting something <5miu or an indent came up before the window? I spotted a little this afternoon and period due tomorrow so 99% I am out this cycle.

Thanks girls! Totally freaking and over thinking that one snack on ov day, if only I’d stopped myself but I was STARVING and I don’t think I would have been able to sleep if I hadn’t eaten something, my stomach was eating itself alive while I was putting my sons down to bed and I was under my daily totals. Maybe part of it is your body asking for fuel when it needs it to conceive a baby. It’s not like I ate a chocolate cake lol, it was just a bit more of my dinner from earlier in the evening (pumpkin risotto) and pretty sure my stomach still felt empty when I was falling asleep, it’s not like I loaded up on a huge meal. I never usually had a snack / meal at 9pm so I’m maybe it was my body asking for what it needed to do it’s conception thing. I’m a crazy person really, I mean 3 hours is not going to make any difference! Maybe I’ll just tell myself I had a long dinner at a restaurant that night and ate from 6pm-9pm — that would still be considered one meal!

This seems to just be what I do, sway and then over-analyse / criticise what I did �� at least I was relaxed while I was swaying, it’s only afterwards that I get all Martha!

@onelittlewish I’m so sorry :( it’s so hard when you’re testing and uncertain, the not knowing is the worst. Please let us know how you go.

Congratulations Cookies!!! Please stop worrying about that one meal, you've worked hard to sway and now you're pregnant, so you can relax now [emoji23] one meal probably won't change the outcome.

Onelittlewish sorry to hear that. Would you be doing anything differently next month?

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I hope it won't change the outcome! The word 'probably' scares me and my crazy lady brain hahahaha. But heck, I'm telling myself that 'I was at a dinner that evening that went from 6-9pm so it can count as one meal' ;) It was a snack too, not even a whole meal! My stomach was still grizzly when I went to sleep because I was hungry from my LONG 18 hour fast earlier that day.

I'm also wondering if I actually ovulated earlier than I thought? Because this FRER (with diluted urine from drinking 3 litres of water today) looks way too dark for 9DPO in my opinion... thoughts? I compared it with my positive test results from my previous two pregnancies and this is WAAAAAY darker than they were at 10, 11 and 12 DPO?

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It's 12:30am here, I'm buzzing because I can't believe I'm pregnant again after the whirlwind of last month with covid and a loss. Going to be so tired tomorrow lol.

Just saw a thread where Atomic says she always had 3 meals and would have one just before bed because she has a high metabolism and can't sleep otherwise... Same here @Atomic! Always been a skinny gal who flies through food, 'hollow legs' my Mum always says! This was a one off though, it wasn't my normal pattern to eat before bed, which is probably why I lost so much weight on LE (and also why I'm freaking out about it) ;).

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Thank you 9jamama, I took another FRER today this morning and the lines are still super faint. It came up within 5 min but I can't tell if there is color to it since it is barely there but I don't have to squint to see the lines at all. I know it's only been 8 hours since my last test but I am still nervous that it won't progress. I used a cheapie (10 miu) and the lines came up after it dried up but a proper line. I'll probably test again tomorrow or wait till I miss my period but it's hard to not get my hopes up. How are you doing?

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I'm worried this may be one of those faker lines we keep getting. Something in the way they made tests changed a couple years back and we get these faint positives that don't progress. KFX.

Cookies - Awesome news!!!

If anything we ate for one day could make any difference, I'd have you guys do diet for one day. It is normal to be extra hungry around O time and it is normal for people to eat a bit extra on O day (there's even studies that demonstrate this). You NEEDED to eat more that day because you hadn't eaten enough. 866 calories is not allowed on LE Diet, it's starvation and is not what anyone should be eating on this site, period, end of story.

Plus, both 2 and 3 meals have always been allowed on LE Diet and so you didn't even go against the rules of the diet. I ate 3 meals every day when I got my girl. We just push back that first meal and still eat 3 meals. It's all about doing what works for you and it's absolutely fine to eat 2 sometimes and 3 sometimes, lots of people do that.

And NO, not eating till 2pm is NOT GOOD sway wise (meaning, please, no one, aim to do that, it does not have the atomic seal of approval) because it does NOTHING WHATSOEVER, since nothing we do for one day does anything beneficial for a sway, and it CAN delay or even stop ovulation. Starving yourself around O is not allowed on LE Diet because it does not help anyone's sway and it can mess up the cycle. I know you weren't advocating for that, Cookies, and just reporting what happened, but I regularly have people read things like this and say "huh what a great idea, i'll do that too" and they may not have the same resilience you had with sudden low cal intake just prior to O.

What you're doing with speculating about "eggs preferring certain sperm" is simply not at all proven. We don't know why swaying works (just as possible it has to do with the overall environment favoring one sperm over another) and I find that the more you guys focus on the speculation, the less you just do what actually WORKS. Boy-girl twins, are a thing. People get both XX and XY in IVF rounds. So it just can't be that the egg is picking a certain sperm ALONE, it has to be more complicated than that. Please just do what has worked for most people most of the time and dispense with telling yourself how it all works, because no one even knows, and people get locked in mentally to courses of action for no reason making assumptions about "eggs choosing sperm" when it may not even work that way. There ARE no pink eggs, or should I say they are ALL pink eggs. There are X and Y sperm but all eggs are X and that cannot change.

Based on our results, we have a clear demarkation between people who swayed only 2-4 weeks (who were virtually all insanely strict, even starving themselves) getting POOR results vs. people on diet 12+ weeks getting good results (the majority of whom had relaxed on diet during that time and were never ever as strict as the 2-4 week dieters). This has been an observable effect since the earliest days of the site. Given this, there is absolutely no way that a single extra meal undermined anyone's sway.

Lower sex drive is quite common on diet, but is also common the month after a loss. We do take that as an encouraging sign though of course not a guarantee!

Cookies - we can't tell anything from darkness of pregnancy tests. It has too much to do wiht the amount of hormone in your system when you conceived. This is not set in stone, so you can have less HCG sometimes, more other times. People have anywhere from 0-5 HCG when they are not pregnant, and when you are pregnant it doubles, like this:

Person A starts off with 0 HCG and their levels rise like this: 0, 1, 2, 4, 8. Person B (or, Person A in a different pregnancy) starts off at 5 HCG and their levels rise like this: 5, 10, 20, 40, 80. This would be on the SAME day of the cycle, but one person would have 10 times as much measurable hormone, but the baby they're both carrying would be at the same point of development. Thus, you can't use the darkness of apregnancy test to tell you how far along you are or when you ovulated in any but the most generic of senses.

@9jamama, I think I need to add attempts (so 2 attempts in my fertile window) next month. I conceived both boys with that so I really wanted to stick with one attempt in fertile window. We tried that 7 out of the 8 months and 2 attempts on my last month on clomid all failed. So I guess I need to let that go. We will probably do sperm analysis to rule that out but we need to discuss with my doc further. Then I think I should stop testing before missed period but I doubt that will happen. I think I was really relaxed this cycle because I was not charting BBT but on the flip side if I have been charting I'd know for sure whether those faint lines are valid. Either way, keep me updated how you are doing!

@atomic, I really thought I was preg you know because I never got a line on FRER although I had read about alot of heartbreaking stories about the evaps and indents. And prior to my 1st line at 11dpo, I only ever got stark blank ones even after they were completely dried out. Also I tend to get clearer lines from evening urine even without long hold (I tested 11dpo evening, 12 SMU and 13 FMU & evening). The morning ones are alot fainter but yea...none of them are really "pink". Will know tomorrow for sure.

@cookies, i got you! I couldn't sleep until 2am on the night when I was surprised with 2 lines. Thought the lines would disappear in the morning. But yours looks decent! With my DS2, I got my first faint line on 8dpo based on BBT (max 10dpo from our 1st BD because we only had 2 BDs that month) and when I got my blood drawn on the next morning, my HCG level was 34 already and I couldn't have implanted 6 days ago? Perhaps the hcg doubled in a shorter amount of time or the starting level was higher? Either way, you have a beautiful positive there and stop worrying and enjoy being pregnant and eat whenever and whatever you want :wink:

KFX!!!

I just have to say I love this thread. Everyone is so supportive and lovely.

@Atomic I've been down a little rabbit hole this evening! I was thinking about this article that I read recently about how women's eggs choose sperm https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/09/h...ess/index.html

and this quote: "Finally, the egg can affect which sperm wins the race with the chemicals it releases in the follicular fluid that surrounds the egg. That's the part which contains the chemical breadcrumbs eggs use to attract and guide sperm to their goal."

"And it's only in the last two centimeters between a sperm and the egg that these chemical signals matter since it's the final phase of this long journey where females continue weeding out less acceptable sperm," Fitzgerald said.

Then, when researching follicular fluid, I learned that it is created in the 'antral stage' of follicular development, which is described as "Antral period: A class 4 (1 to 2 mm) follicle, if selected, requires about 50 days to grow and develop to the preovulatory stage. The dominant follicle of the cycle appears to be selected from a cohort of class five follicles, and it requires about 20 days to develop to the ovulatory stage." https://www.glowm.com/section-view/h...8#.Yme-tPNBxJU

So it makes sense that swaying needs to occur for a minimum of 12 weeks in order to (potentially) affect the makeup of the egg or change the overall condition of the body. If the follicular fluid has an impact on which sperm is selected (which it appears to from the above study), and follicular fluid is formed in the antral stage of development, which is 50 days prior to release, then it all makes sense! If LE / fasting / lower nutrient affects the makeup of the follicular fluid, then it would theoretically take 50-70 days to show that effect.

Science! I love it! This all makes a lot of sense in my head now. Hence why, as you say, one day doesn't make a difference... your body has most likely decided many, many weeks ago what sperm that egg will prefer, when the follicular fluid was developed in the antral stage. Good eggs take time eh!

All of this could be incorrect but from your swaying experience it all sort of lines up more or less.

Spotting started today and I took another FRER and the line is actually pretty much gone too. So onto the next cycle! And I think I'd get back to charting...if I had charted this cycle I'd have known for sure whether I was out or not days ago. I really hate this guessing game! Good luck ladies!

@cookies, do you plan to find out the gender? Keep us updated!