frequency of BD for pink and blue

[TtcBlue18]

My positive OPKs always fall between cd13 and cd16 (so far, I've only tracked it the last 4 months).. I would like to try for 2 attempts (preferably O-2 and morning of O) but of course I don't know what O-2 would be since my positives are never on the same day from one month to the next. How do I determine when to BD to get as close as possible to O-2? The only thing I have noticed so far is cm increases about 2 days before I get a positive, but what if I go by that and it turns out I don't get a positive until 4 days later? Does that mean I only get one real attempt on morning of O or should I dtd every 2 days starting at cd11? I keep racking my brain on this.

[atomic sagebrush]

You won't.

Is there a particular reason why you want to do it like that? I do not think that will give you best chances of a boy at all.

What I have most people do is do day of positive OPK and O day. I have people aim for 3 but most end up with 2 attempts.

Day of positive OPK means you'll be 24-36 hours or so out from O, so it's all good in terms of attempts.

If you MUST do it just that way then you'd need to get a fertility monitor and BD the second flashy day and then again the day of second solid peak. But I really do not think that will be your best shot at all.

[TtcBlue18]

Oh, gosh I'm really glad I asked you then! I was planning to do it that way because for whatever reason I thought that was what was best for blue. I've been reading so many posts lately and mixing things up that I don't know what I was thinking.

I do want all my attempts to be in morning, just because of the sperm count.. and also we've never been morning people so I feel that it's a good change to incorporate since it's different than our girls.

Do you think morning of positive OPK and the following morning would be best for me?

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, you're kind of misunderstanding sperm count. It's fine to BD in the morning if you want to - but the problem is you're not going to KNOW the morning of OPK because you won't get it till later (when I'm assuming hubby will be at work!) And O Day attempts are notoriously lower odds of conception (altho morning of O Day is good in my book)

Sperm batches IN the fertile window will only ADD to your sperm numbers. Even if the individual batches are smaller, by adding more attempts you will end up with more in the end anyway. Again, numbers to illustrate this:

To illustrate, let's say you have two BD, one O-1 and one O Day. Each of them is 20 mil sperm. total 40 million. But you could have had 3 attempts O-1, O am, O pm - 20 million, 17 million, 15 million - 52 million sperm. Even tho the second two batches were smaller, the total adds up.

It is ONLY attempts outside of the fertile window you need to avoid. So you don't want to "waste" sperm (except for the every 2-4 day BD if you are doing that) with attempts out of the fertile window, but once that window opens on O-3 or O-2, then it's all good, all those sperm have a shot at staying alive in the EWCM to find that egg. It is a cumulative effect.

I understand that you never got pregnant in the morning before but about "doing the opposite" - that only works when the things you were doing the opposite on, were the reasons why you got girls to start with!! Do not try to do the opposite on things that had no effect or worse still, undermine your sway (like insisting on BD only in the morning). I can assure you I have literally NEVER had sex in the morning and got boys at night! No one's sway has ever come down to the time of day they BD on. Remember, if a boy doesn't have enough nutrients to grow up big and strong at 10 pm, he won't have enough at 8 am and it makes no difference what time of day you BD on. Just doesn't make sense given what we know about the reasons why girls and boys are conceived from animal studies. HTH.

[TtcBlue18]

This makes so much sense. Thank you so much! We have never really had time to dtd regularly, which is odd given our ages, but dh is a farmer and always exhausted when he does finally get home. So I'm thinking if we can manage to swing every 4 days that will be a drastic difference for us.

So dtd every 4 days from Af to positive OPK, and then try to get 3 attempts in within the next 36 hours, am I following this correctly?

Also, how do I know when the fertile window is open when my OPKs are never on the same cycle day? (Like if we dtd every 4 days and then the day after we just BD I get a positive? Would we just bd again even though it's the very next day, or would that sway pink because it's reduced sperm--because we did it two days in a row, and the first was before positive opk?)

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes exactly!! It doesn't sound unusual to me as this is the same thing I hear from lots of blue swayers. So if you can change up this one thing it will really help.

Yes if you BD on day before you get a positive, you still BD the next night. The fertile window is actually open the day before you get a positive (it is simply that we cannot predict that you'll get a pos the next day!)

When I'm talking about attempts before the fertile window opens I mean 4 or more days before ovulation.

BD two days in a row doesn't lower sperm count much if at all anyway. It takes 7-10 days of back to back release to do that.

[TtcBlue18]

Great! Thank you! I'm so happy I double checked all this stuff I had read other places and/or put together myself. So so nice to know everything will be done correctly now!

[Mums]

I'm lost!

Finally got my +opk today
Have not dtd at all

I'm trying for blue

Should I skip and next month bd like crazy from Af?

Thanks!

[Mums]

I'm on cd22 by the way

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm lost!

Finally got my +opk today
Have not dtd at all

I'm trying for blue

Should I skip and next month bd like crazy from Af?

Thanks!

Agh I didn't catch this yesterday, yes I'd have you hold off this month esp. given the turnaround from pink to blue sway!

If you did go ahead last night, do try to be in with a couple more attempts today if possible, and another tomorrow as well, and then every other day after that.