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    Quote Originally Posted by rainbowflower View Post
    right, just done a quick Google, and found a few websites like this one: http://www.drmalpani.com/book/chapter1a.html written for TTCers who say that:



    Also found this study, which seems to suggest that TOTAL numbers of count (and semen quantity/sperm count) are increased with each additional day of abstinence: http://www.reproduction-online.org/c....full.pdf+html - it's worth looking at the diagram in the "Restults" section. So according to that one it might be best to DTD less frequently even for blue.
    You'd have to figure out the total no. of sperm based on number of attempts within the fertile window to know how many attempts to have...
    Do keep in mind thouh that what Dr. Malpani is really saying is about CONCEPTION, not swaying. My feeling is the best frequency for blue is every 2-4 days. 3x a week is fine, but more sex is not necessarily better for blue because at some point (and more so for men who've already fathered daughters) the body just can't keep up with the demand.

    Second study is from 1979 and more recent studies have frowned on abstinence for conception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush View Post
    Do keep in mind thouh that what Dr. Malpani is really saying is about CONCEPTION, not swaying. My feeling is the best frequency for blue is every 2-4 days. 3x a week is fine, but more sex is not necessarily better for blue because at some point (and more so for men who've already fathered daughters) the body just can't keep up with the demand.

    Second study is from 1979 and more recent studies have frowned on abstinence for conception.
    It would be quite nice to see links to those if you have them handy?

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    http://www.fertilityneighborhood.com...hive_1243.aspx
    (note, abstinence of one day means DTD every 2 days, which is what we advise for blue and NOT DTD every day)

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/ju...on.sciencenews

    http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/7820...7EC0C00D07BA54
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    hmm so abstinence only lowers sperm count/affects 1/3 of men and won't sway for the other 2/3? but for the other 2/3 it raises sperm count and concentration but does cause the sperm to be less effective swimmers/to die faster?

    A team lead by Eliahu Levitas, a fertility specialist at the IVF unit of Soroka University Medical Centre in Israel, looked at sperm samples from around 6,000 men who had abstained from sex for up to two weeks. Most had normal sperm counts, but roughly a third of their sperm counts were low, meaning they produced less than 20m sperm per millilitre.

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    I think that's a bit of a leap because ALL guys' sperm counts go up and down over time. Someone's husband had high sperm count 2 years ago that does not mean their sperm count is good today and therefore they would not be negatively affected by abstaining. When the article says "roughly a third of their counts were low" it does NOT mean that a third of the MEN had low counts, it means that of the samples taken (some of which were repeat offenders), one third of those sample's counts were low. We have no way of knowing what our husband's counts are doing on a daily basis. IF YOU WANT BLUE, do not abstain!

    Abstinence sways pink for EVERYONE by making mostly crappy sperm that can't do anything (I have posted links about this topic in other places and don't have time to repost right now) and we know for a fact on the basis of this study, that it creates lower sperm numbers in at least SOME men. It doesn't matter if numbers of sperm are higher, lower, or in between, if the sperm are incapable of surviving/capacitating/fertilizing...in a battle between 50 million sperm that are half-dead or 5 million spry and lively ones, I'd bet on the 5 million spry ones.

    It kinda makes sense that numbers of sperm would begin to add up with abstinence because where would they go? They don't just poof into thin air. They'd continue to be made and then just sit in the pipes and deteriorate while more were being produced. So it makes sense to me that numbers might be higher while overall sperm health would tank and as far as we can tell, it seems to be the number of surviving sperm that sway, not the number of sperm that come out in the ejaculate.
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    Atomic (or anyone that can answer really)
    My cycles are 29 days long and I ovulate on cd 19. If I wanted to try for a girl when would we dtd?
    I think this is very interesting. With the boys we dtd every 2-3 sometimes 4 days and it was the day before day of or day after o.
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    Do you want to do one attempt with timing or just rely on frequency??

    My personal suggestion (I don't believe in timing) would be to have your DH release from CD 5 thru CD 15, then have attempt CD 16 17 18 19 20, while using some other strategies like jelly, diet, antihistamine

    If you only want to have one attempt, I think DTD on a pos OPK is best so DH would release CD 7-17 and then one attempt CD 18

    If you really believe in timing, you would want to do either a cutoff attempt 2 or 3 days before ovulation OR an O+12 attempt on the day after ovulation (I really don't advise this esp. with such a short LP)

    How sure are you that you O CD 19? That's a pretty short luteal phase - what was it when you conceived your other kiddos??
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    ttc a daughter...what did you decide on?
    I really do have a hard time letting go of timing....we hve dtd cd 9, 10 and 11 am...if I o on cd 14 what shld I do?
    Did I sway blue?
    How many more bds and when?????

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    Yeppers I did with all of them! Late ovulation each time. However with them it was more regular. This is my first cycle since I weaned ds. I had no period with him nursing. But with him and my 2nd son I tempted and charted, ovulation happened cd 19. Ds 1 I had the fertile mucus with and that was cd 19 . However I am not sure what this cycle will be as it will be my 2nd cycle weaned from ds3. But with all of them short lp phase. Which is why I am wondering if I should bd before ovulation in hopes the girly sperms are at the egg. All this is so new to me. With them I just dtd and didn't care what I got.
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    I am kind of wanting to avoid ovulation for me. However I am wondering how frequent we should dtd. I know hubby has a hard time abstaining from it I am lucky if I can get us to go 4 days and even then he is jumping me. lmao. My boys I had sex ds1 was almost everyday leading up to ovulation. ds 2 was the day before ovulation and day after ovulation. and ds3 was if i am correct on ovulation and before ovulation.
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