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    Planning future blue sway :D

    Hi lovelies!
    Was hoping for some help to start prepping a future blue sway.

    For some background: currently 33 y.o (34 in Feb), hubs is 40.
    Ddx1 (now 5 y.o) conceived after 1.5+ year of ttc on Clomid , and other treatments.
    DD2 (just turned 3) conceived after a shorter ttc period but also on Clomid - was at my lowest adult weight (lost heaps after dd1, breastfeeding, terrible sleep, and not eating enough probably).
    Dd3, conceived on 2nd month ttc after finding this site and swaying - HE diet, but likely nit enough exercise though we did follow SMEP the month of BFP. Obviously, that sway didn’t work so am hoping we might have one last chance of a son.

    My youngest is 7 m.o today and just got my scale back...am 8-10 kg heavier than when I conceived my girls , and loathe my body. I need to lose some weight, and get into some better shape for sure BUT
    I won’t ttc until at least a year ish, so my question really is, is this getting into shape, losing some weight and hopefully gaining some muscles, eating better etc detrimental to my sway, being that far in advance?
    I know for HE diet, 6-8 weeks prior ttc is optimal?? so if I start this effort for a healthier fitter body, would it still be ok?
    I.e would only introduce supps, blue extra friendly foods etc closer ttc.

    Any help would be awesome, as am twisting my brain into. knots wanting to do my best possible attempt at this sway as this will be our last babe and don’t want to regret nit having given it my all.

    Thannnnnks!
    Lucky Mummy to 4 sweet divas
    (2013) (2015) (2018) (2021)
    (July 2014) (November 2023)
    Our sway didn’t work for #3 & we had a little oops for #4 but we love them all to bits... not sure if we ever will but somehow hoping we might add blue to the crew, to complete our family, one day...

    Fingers crossed for TTC #5 (again) for early 2024!

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    Ah LMSM, I didn't know you were a February girl, too! Are you an Aquarius by chance as well? That would explain why I feel we are so similar haha.

    I am so sorry how you're feeling about your body, though. You noted 'not enough exercise' before DD3, but I still think the jury's out on whether or not that is as big a sway factor in blue sways versus pink sways. I've seen way too many successful blue sways with minimal exercise, lots of 'How we got boys' moms confessing they were couch potatoes, and many pink opposites coming from the moms who didn't do the exercise recommended there. Just to try and ease your mind on that!

    But I mention exercise because that's the one area I've always been pretty well versed in because of my background. And a recommendation I've given others that atomic has agreed before sounds good is something more or less called "body recomposition," which is more or less a perfect send up to a blue sway.

    This involves keeping protein and fats high as usual per HE diet, but not necessarily eating high calorie. Experiment with how many calories you can eat to MAINTAIN your weight (so within 3-5 lbs, as that's daily and even weekly fluctuations explained away by water retention, etc.). Then add in weight lifting. Specifically heavy weights if you can (and following a good full body program like Starting Strength, Stronglifts 5x5, etc.)

    Doing this holds onto your lean body mass (muscle) while shedding body fat -- so while the scale might not necessarily be showing any movement, you will definitely notice the change in your body over time. Clothes will fit better, you will look fitter, etc. It takes longer to notice changes on this -- it's what body builders tired of the bulk/cut cycles do once they're in sort of a sweet spot. So instead of, "Wow, look at the difference!" in 60 days, it's more like, "Woah, look at the difference" after 6 months type stuff.

    It works well in that it is SO boy friendly by utilizing weights, good food/calories/protein and focusing on preserving muscle. A former boy swayer on here (bre_cooper) did this and got a boy after three girls, and I always like to cite her because she showed pictures of herself too. I remember her mentioning how she was surprised at her scale weight compared to how she looked!

    Ask me any questions or anything on this! I so feel for you and feel awful that you feel awful about your body postpartum. I know for us blue swayers it's so hard to weigh "I want to look THIS way" with "I WANT A BOY." As I've joked to some, who would have thought the thing that's kept me from fully relapsing into my eating disorder is how much I want a boy? :P

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    Hey LMSM!!! I would just chime in and say I think it would be fine starting supps now- especially a omega, prenatal (good for post parrtum and as a multi replacement), vitamin D and probiotic!
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    Successful blue sway December 2021

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    Thank you!

    @TP, yes Aquarius here too haha
    Thanks for your detailed response...my stance was also that - slow and steady, not looking so much at the numbers on the scale per se but focusing on general health and fitness and how my body feels/looks.
    Va piano va sano
    I just wasn’t 100% sure whether “conditioning”, even slowly, my body to a more blue environment , so far ahead, would make me lose the benefit of my efforts towards a sway that will not be “needed” for another year or so (possibly more, will depend on circumstances...if I can cope with work (changes are happening whilst I am on mat leave) and wait until done with babies before seeking more professional/career changes/challenges (I work at a Uni and benefits are great)/ but then am not getting younger but do want to space #4 a bit more etc etc).
    You can b sure that I will b picking your brains because am sure if it’s written, you’ve read it haha I found someone that surpasses me in “outresearcheoutresearching” the sh*t out of everything lol (that’s a compliment, in my books btw ).
    Will be eagerly waiting for the arrival of your #2 ..and a month keeping everything crossed

    @Tali.kah.
    DOnt know if Ive told you before but congrats on baby...FX for you!
    I am taking a breastfeeding multi (same as prenatal) for now, and will likely wait a bit before adding more.
    I’m nit sure Atomic recommends supps that far ahead of ttc?
    Lucky Mummy to 4 sweet divas
    (2013) (2015) (2018) (2021)
    (July 2014) (November 2023)
    Our sway didn’t work for #3 & we had a little oops for #4 but we love them all to bits... not sure if we ever will but somehow hoping we might add blue to the crew, to complete our family, one day...

    Fingers crossed for TTC #5 (again) for early 2024!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMSM View Post
    Thank you!

    @TP, yes Aquarius here too haha
    Thanks for your detailed response...my stance was also that - slow and steady, not looking so much at the numbers on the scale per se but focusing on general health and fitness and how my body feels/looks.
    Va piano va sano
    I just wasn’t 100% sure whether “conditioning”, even slowly, my body to a more blue environment , so far ahead, would make me lose the benefit of my efforts towards a sway that will not be “needed” for another year or so (possibly more, will depend on circumstances...if I can cope with work (changes are happening whilst I am on mat leave) and wait until done with babies before seeking more professional/career changes/challenges (I work at a Uni and benefits are great)/ but then am not getting younger but do want to space #4 a bit more etc etc).
    You can b sure that I will b picking your brains because am sure if it’s written, you’ve read it haha I found someone that surpasses me in “outresearcheoutresearching” the sh*t out of everything lol (that’s a compliment, in my books btw ).
    Will be eagerly waiting for the arrival of your #2 ..and a month keeping everything crossed

    @Tali.kah.
    DOnt know if Ive told you before but congrats on baby...FX for you!
    I am taking a breastfeeding multi (same as prenatal) for now, and will likely wait a bit before adding more.
    I’m nit sure Atomic recommends supps that far ahead of ttc?
    Haha, thank you -- I take it as a compliment as well. And, funny enough, was already ready to comment with what's on the site about it haha. I'm like the walking blue compendium for this site I feel. Me and some others HAD asked that question, about losing the benefits of the HE "sway" if doing it so far ahead, but unless something changed I missed, atomic had said that it is always still swaying blue to be doing the HE things. Afterall, it's standard lifestyle stuff for many of the women in the 'How we got our boys.' Maybe up the calories right during the 6 weeks before attempt, but otherwise everything you're doing isn't going to be setting a new "set" point for the HE diet, if that makes sense? I'll have to dig around -- I know we all asked it somewhere in the TTC blue forum maybe a year or two ago!

    And supps wise, prenatal and Vitamin D are totally safe during breastfeeding, as is a safe amount of fish oil or DHA. With fish oil, too much can potentially cause some issues in baby (like easier bruising), but that's higher amounts. Prenatal DHAs are good and are recommended by all the docs and midwives around here since no one gets enough Omega 3s in general haha.

    Brewer's Yeast as either a supplement or as added to food is one I like to prep for post-baby, as it's a.) super blue friendly and often recommended in blue sways across the web and b.) good for milk supply! Win win!

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    I did remember reading something about the whole HE diet/sway well in advance of actual ttc...but my brain is soooo mush from sleep deprivation, I dont trust myself haha

    Am taking a prenatal/breastfeeding multi..well, when I remember it, as well as probiotics (again, when my mushy excuse for a brain recalls lol).
    Re DHA, is that best? I am researching Omega 3s moreso for my 5 y.o who has just been diagnosed with mild adhd and trying to help with supps. The specialists for ADHD seem to say you want a higher EPA over DHA ratio ..at least to help with focus etc.
    Not sure if that applies for a blue sway? I definitely am careful with fish oil, as I know it does increase potential bleeding and bruising for breastfed bubs.
    I do have a huge pack of BY that I used for lactation baking ...don’t really like the taste on it’s own but is fine in baking. Maybe I can use that and NYF alternatively my supply is fine now, but guess once a day won’t hurt neither sway or supply

    You’ve got just over 2 months to go now, haven’t you? Eeeeek!!!
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    (July 2014) (November 2023)
    Our sway didn’t work for #3 & we had a little oops for #4 but we love them all to bits... not sure if we ever will but somehow hoping we might add blue to the crew, to complete our family, one day...

    Fingers crossed for TTC #5 (again) for early 2024!

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    Last edited by LMSM; October 25th, 2018 at 07:20 PM.
    Lucky Mummy to 4 sweet divas
    (2013) (2015) (2018) (2021)
    (July 2014) (November 2023)
    Our sway didn’t work for #3 & we had a little oops for #4 but we love them all to bits... not sure if we ever will but somehow hoping we might add blue to the crew, to complete our family, one day...

    Fingers crossed for TTC #5 (again) for early 2024!

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    No it's fine, and will only help your sway. It's totally fine to do that at this point in time!!

    I personally believe that the exercise really does help and I really like the recommendations that Panther has given you. Very much the kind of thing I did before I got my DS 2 and 3 both - didn't gain wegiht, didn't lose it, but did a lot of exercise and held steady where I was (I did end up gaining 3 lbs before DS 3 but that was the very last minute, I'd been at the same weight for years with him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Throwaway_panther View Post
    Ah LMSM, I didn't know you were a February girl, too! Are you an Aquarius by chance as well? That would explain why I feel we are so similar haha.

    I am so sorry how you're feeling about your body, though. You noted 'not enough exercise' before DD3, but I still think the jury's out on whether or not that is as big a sway factor in blue sways versus pink sways. I've seen way too many successful blue sways with minimal exercise, lots of 'How we got boys' moms confessing they were couch potatoes, and many pink opposites coming from the moms who didn't do the exercise recommended there. Just to try and ease your mind on that!

    But I mention exercise because that's the one area I've always been pretty well versed in because of my background. And a recommendation I've given others that atomic has agreed before sounds good is something more or less called "body recomposition," which is more or less a perfect send up to a blue sway.

    This involves keeping protein and fats high as usual per HE diet, but not necessarily eating high calorie. Experiment with how many calories you can eat to MAINTAIN your weight (so within 3-5 lbs, as that's daily and even weekly fluctuations explained away by water retention, etc.). Then add in weight lifting. Specifically heavy weights if you can (and following a good full body program like Starting Strength, Stronglifts 5x5, etc.)

    Doing this holds onto your lean body mass (muscle) while shedding body fat -- so while the scale might not necessarily be showing any movement, you will definitely notice the change in your body over time. Clothes will fit better, you will look fitter, etc. It takes longer to notice changes on this -- it's what body builders tired of the bulk/cut cycles do once they're in sort of a sweet spot. So instead of, "Wow, look at the difference!" in 60 days, it's more like, "Woah, look at the difference" after 6 months type stuff.

    It works well in that it is SO boy friendly by utilizing weights, good food/calories/protein and focusing on preserving muscle. A former boy swayer on here (bre_cooper) did this and got a boy after three girls, and I always like to cite her because she showed pictures of herself too. I remember her mentioning how she was surprised at her scale weight compared to how she looked!

    Ask me any questions or anything on this! I so feel for you and feel awful that you feel awful about your body postpartum. I know for us blue swayers it's so hard to weigh "I want to look THIS way" with "I WANT A BOY." As I've joked to some, who would have thought the thing that's kept me from fully relapsing into my eating disorder is how much I want a boy? :P
    great advice thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Throwaway_panther View Post
    Haha, thank you -- I take it as a compliment as well. And, funny enough, was already ready to comment with what's on the site about it haha. I'm like the walking blue compendium for this site I feel. Me and some others HAD asked that question, about losing the benefits of the HE "sway" if doing it so far ahead, but unless something changed I missed, atomic had said that it is always still swaying blue to be doing the HE things. Afterall, it's standard lifestyle stuff for many of the women in the 'How we got our boys.' Maybe up the calories right during the 6 weeks before attempt, but otherwise everything you're doing isn't going to be setting a new "set" point for the HE diet, if that makes sense? I'll have to dig around -- I know we all asked it somewhere in the TTC blue forum maybe a year or two ago!

    And supps wise, prenatal and Vitamin D are totally safe during breastfeeding, as is a safe amount of fish oil or DHA. With fish oil, too much can potentially cause some issues in baby (like easier bruising), but that's higher amounts. Prenatal DHAs are good and are recommended by all the docs and midwives around here since no one gets enough Omega 3s in general haha.

    Brewer's Yeast as either a supplement or as added to food is one I like to prep for post-baby, as it's a.) super blue friendly and often recommended in blue sways across the web and b.) good for milk supply! Win win!
    While I do worry that for pink swayers some of them may lose the "bang for their buck" if they are on a sway diet for ages (I'm talking years) in advance - because their body will get used to taking every ounce of nutrients from the foods they eat and will no longer see the "point" in reducing fertility due to declining condition, I think for blue swayers it's ALLL good. Nothing wrong at all with eating HE Diet adn taking supps year or more out from the sway. And in fact, many of us with all boys, myself included, have done exactly that. I ate HE Diet and took vitamins for decades LOL.

    Your body "wants" to be in great condition and very highly fertile. IT wants to get into that mode and hang out there indefinitely. Whereas for pink swayers, our bodies don't "want" to be in lower condition and less fertile and so especially for ladies who have a history of eating blue friendly diets in the past and have blue friendly personalities, being on the diet for ages prior to TTC may backfire on them because they'll adjust over time, they have more stores to fall back on than they realize, and their personality is also working against them in some cases (that white-knuckled control freakishness they have to have to stick with a strict LE Diet for a year plus, if you catch my drift)

    Long story short - too late LOL - it is easier to get into blue zone and stay there than it is to get into pink zone and stay there.
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