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I don't have any thyroid problems but I understand that iodine is important when trying to conceive.I'm trying to limit my salt intake so I don't take iodized salt. Instead I've been taking this kelp iodine supplement from GNC: GNC SuperFoods Kelp - GNC NATURAL BRAND - GNCQuote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Is this the kind of thing you're saying we shouldn't take while ttc due to plant toxins? Is there another way to get enough iodine without salt or meat?
Yes, I am not a fan of the kelp based iodines. There are a lot of prenatals with iodine in them (and honestly, as long as you've been dieting, I'd recommend this for you anyway!) so what I'd have you do is take a prenatal or Women's One a Day (which I prefer) 3 times a week.
Shellfish is another way to get iodine and you can have that 2x a week.
Wow! So, I've really come full circle in this sway process, haven't I? I never thought I'd see the day when Atomic recommended I take a prenatal. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Would you recommend both the Women's One a Day 3x a week and shellfish once or twice a week? Or just either or? I'm concerned that only getting iodine 3x a week might not be enough.
Also, I see the Women's One a Day has 300% of the recommended dose for vitamin D. I remember you've said vitamin D should be avoided for a girl sway, but I'm not sure how much of a factor it is. Is the D thing a hypothetical maybe situation, or have you seen this to be a big deal in practice?
I also just bought solgar folate tablets since I've heard that it's better absorbed than folic acid. There are no indications that I need it instead of plain folic acid, but this is the safer route to go right?
HI,
Im a bit confused by this diet. I thought that Bananas and Potatoes were a NO-NO when swaying pink, and I see them included here! Also since red meat is another NO-No I decided to change it for Fish, but I see very little fish is included in this diet :nails:
At some point when people have been on diet a long time, it's a compromise to keep you going longer without getting depleted. It is of course, my preference for people to lose the tactics that don't work a little sooner and thus avoid the prenatal but I do eventually recommend them. :)
It's enough. I won't go into the history of iodine deficiency and public health, but it's enough. If you want to add in shellfish too - I am fine with all pink swayers having that one-two times per week.
I personally believe Vit. D is a big blue swayer, but the thing is, after this point you've been on diet soooo long you probably need it. 3 times a week is not daily. :)
Folate is better if you can get it. The reason I do not blanket prescribe it, is that a lot of people can't afford folate and thus will end up taking nothing. Since most people do great on folic acid, I think it's best to continue to recommend that for eveyrone except those with MTHFR. That doesn't mean folate is not better - it is (probably LOL)
Bananas and potatoes are only a "no-no" if you're following the French Gender Diet or IG Diet. I assure you I ate gobs of potatoes when I got my daughter (she is like 30% potato.)Quote:
Originally Posted by miniña
I do not want ANYONE eating fish more than 2x a week when you are TTC (and even when you're in your childbearing years). There is some bad pollution that is in fish and eating it too often may accumulate in your body and affect you and your baby's health negatively.
You can't go off of and onto vitamins though. that kinda messes you up - first it makes your body tend to save more nutrients up anyway, and then going off nutrients cold turkey may make you not feel well and could potentially delay O. I want you either on them or off them, not on and off them.
The problem with getting iodine from plant sources is that it is about the amount present in the soil. So a depleted soil = not enough iodine. Some areas have much less iodine than they used to. I vastly prefer you guys to just eat shellfish once a week than rely on getting anything from vegetables.
Dried seaweed - fine on occasion a few times a month. No more than that (so like, you have sushi once a week - great). You can actually end up ODing on iodine if you eat too much of the stuff.
I've recently read that potatoes are a great source of iodine. Apparently a single, medium-sized potato meets 40% of your iodine needs.
Some sites suggest that a quarter cup of cranberries will also provide a high amount.
I know you've recommend staying away from seaweed supplements for toxin reasons, but what about snacking on a little bit of dried seaweed? Apparently that's supposed to be a tremendous source of iodine.
Do any/all of these sound okay for pink sway iodine solutions?
I am not sure how this happened but my answer somehow ended up above your post???Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Please just eat a little fish or shellfish once a week and it will be fine. Or use iodized salt.
Again, supposed naturlly occuring iodine in plant foods are entirely contingent on where the food was grown and whether or not the soil is rich in iodine or not. It's a crapshoot. Additionally, many sources of iodine (alleged) were because farmers used to use iodine washes as disinfectants, but these have been largely replaced by cheaper alternatives and thus they are no longer sources of iodine.
pLease just use the most reliable source and not try to patchwork together with things that may not even have any iodine in them.
So for the LE PCOS diet, as long as I stick to:
60g protein
60g fat
1200 cals
Mostly vegetarian with limited white meat and eggs, full fat dairy and no white flour/rice/sugar/etc, it's pretty good?
Anything specifically to avoid for pink sways?
You are almost certainly going to need more calories than that. There is very little way to get that much food with so few calories. Only about 3% of all my swayers eat that few cals, most others are on 1500-1800 and some - maybe as many as 10%-20% depending on the month are as high as 1800-2000!
PLEASE start out eating MORE than you think you need. You can always reduce cal intake over time. But do NOT start off starving yourself only to have to add more food later on, that can be perceived as an improving condition which may undermine a pink sway.
So glad I re read this again!!!
NO LONGER RECOMMENDED L-Carnitine – Helps to get rid of glucose in the blood that your body isn’t metabolizing and also helps your body turn food into muscle,which will burn off more calories than body fat. (sways blue) LADIES - I no longer recommend this at all due to the fact that it raises T levels and may aggravate PCOS that way. If you have already bought some, you can give it to your husband if you're swaying blue.
I recently added L-Carnitine into the mix for my weight loss, so will be dropping that now. Also would you reccommend all these supps if you have an underactive thyroid?>
Pink swayers – I would feel good about taking vitex, SP, DIM, DCI, magnesium, fiber, and cinnamon. And don’t forget Vitamin X!!
Yes, sorry about that, sometimes when I've read the same essay 900 times I miss things that I'd not have put in there had I written it a year or two later.
Please doublecheck everything with your doctor. I do not use vitex or SP for swaying any more for thyroid patients as they haven't worked anyway. DIM and DCI I have not really seen any results so I'd not use them given that we've seen such great results with diet alone (and also myo-inositol)
Magnesium is at your discretion, fiber I do tend to recommend but again please check with your doc first to make sure.
Cinnamon is not something I recommend as a blanket recommendation. It REALLY lowers blood sugar to such extent it can actually make people lightheaded and it takes only a pretty small dose (*just like 1/4 a teaspoon!!). It can also make weight fly off of people. So unless you have moderate to severe PCO and have more than 30 lbs to lose I"d skip the cinnamon. If you are in that group, go ahead but start off with only 1/4 teaspoon (if you tolerate it ok you can gradually build up to 1/2 teaspoon). When actively TTC reduce to 1/8 teaspoon during the luteal phase and at BFP wean back to dietary amounts only. Use Ceylon and not cassia cinnamon.
Hi Atomic, just reading about the LE PCOS diet as I had an opposite last year following the regular LE diet. In hindsight I'm thinking I did a crash and burn type diet with calories no higher than 1500 per day, I regularly exceeded the recommended fat and protein max intake as I couldn't manage to give up meat, though I did cut back. I didn't exercise.
I'm on day 3 of my second attempt and seeing now that you recommend this PCO version for those of us having a failed sway under our belts. I'm not sure what I should do though seeing as my previous sway was watching the cals more than the nutrients though I did eat general low nutrition foods it was hard to stay under protein and fat when I was having meat pretty much daily or every two days at the very very least.
So this time I've started by giving up meat, all meat now not just red meat like previously. I've also given up eggs which I would consume frequently on any given day. I've started the cardio at 60+ mins per day. No snacking at all. Fairly substantial gaps between meals (from last night to today it was verging on 16 hours but that was cause I was super busy and had no time!) I'm trying to take in 3 meals daily as I limited myself to two last time but finding it hard get the time to have that third meal (last night I had a glass of wine with some salad and fat free marshmallows to up my intake of cals)
My question anyway, after all that, is should I stick with what I've started or change it up? And if I should change it how do I tweak it without making it a big thing? Trying to be as horizontal as I can this time after the OCD of last time 😉 Thank you!
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I can't totally say, but the thing is that the PCOS type diet has GREAT results. Now, I don't totally know if that's because the diet sways harder, or that some of the people who do standard should have been on it, or what, but you aren't shortchanging your sway by doing it instead if you can stick to it without losing too much weight. I'd really use it for everyone except for those two things - it's harder to stick to, and people lose too much weight on it. So what I'd probably do is try to do is aim at doing some elements of the alt. diet (like whole grains, fruit and veg instead of sugar and white carbs) and just see how it goes.
I do not want ANYONE to do lower than 1500 cals. I was always stressing that but I am even more emphatic that it actually may harm a sway to drop that low (and it certainly activates the OCD because not only are you tracking stuff, but it takes SOOO much willpower to stick to so few calories) I want maybe 5% absolute max of people to drop lower than 1500.
Ok so im not exactly sure where to start. Baby boy #5 is 5 days old today. We tried to sway pink but I am seeing I did some things wrong. Like drinking lots of caffeine. I have PCOS and am overweight and usually do not ovulate without clomid or femara. I am 36 now and will be 37 in April. We want to sway again but i want to do everything in my power to make it a great one. I do see alot about the diet but im also unsure of how to start when exclusively breastfeeding. Im hoping to lose plenty of weight (have at least 50 lb to lose) and miraculously ovulate on my own even while breastfeeding. I paid for the personal sway last time but am not sure when i should even start anything this time. I just know my age is not on my side with waiting too long....
I’m drinking lots of coffee, should that be stopped?
Coffee sways pink. We've gotten great results with it and I strongly recommend it. In fact that was among the first things I noticed about the old school swaying tactics that didn't seem to add up, was that there were tons of blue swayers and peopel I knew IRL with lots of girls who drank tons of coffee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Girlswaylondon
I don't think drinking coffee is bad though Shenanigans. The studies that claim that are largely debunked (even with PCOS) because they didn't take into account blood sugar across the WHOLE day and not just right after eating adn addionally didn't correct for an overall worse diet. So many of the PCOSers were eating poorly, lots of sugar, and then drinking tons of coffee or whatever on top of that, plus they tested blood sugar only immediately after drinking it. But over time coffee improves your insulin response, this is way, way more proven than it being bad for PCOS anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shenanigans
I don't want you doing anything with diet till bubs is 6 months old. It's GREAT to do things like switch to whole grains, eat more fruit and veg of course, but in terms of cutting cals and stuff, hold off for now.
And huge congrats on your new little guy!! So happy for you!!!!
Did we do Clomid or Femara this last time through??
Thank you! We are so in love with him and i just stare at him all the time. Feeling so fortunate but just cant kick the longing for a girl, as well. That does make sense about coffee. I also did cheat some i think with the diet last time because i found it so hard to stick with so long. We also had at least 2 but maybe 3 tries in the fertile window as i was anxious to get pregnant quicker. I will definitely do e4d for the next attempt. I am just overall trying to make much healthier choices and cutting out the majority or sugar and anything not whole grain. Incorporating more veggies and hopefully the weight will slowly come off. I did use femara last time. Do you think clomid is better? Does breastfeeding sway pink also?
good, that's what I want you to do.
No both Clomid and Femara have been good. Femara I think better since it doesn't have all the side effects that Clomid does.
Breastfeeding does sway pink. You aren't going to want to take the meds without the input of your doc though if you're breastfeeidng.
Hi atomic! I would love some help finding the blue sways that work with PCOS! I've been looking around, but keep getting error messages on a lot of pages so I'm not finding much
I'm sorry, I'm not following your question? Blue sways that work with PCOS?
Pretty sure untreated PCOS by condition sways blue, unless you're on clomid & metformin
Yes that's what the data seems to indicate. But many people who have their PCOS under control by diet, exercise, herbs, or medicines can still have girls and so they have some confusion when it comes time to sway blue, because they think "oh I have girls because of PCOS" but the reality is much more complicated than that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggcellent
Hi Atomic,
When swaying pink with PCOS, is it ok to skip breakfast? Or is that bad for PCOS? Thank you
Still skip breakfast. While older info on PCOS pushes breakfast as a way to keep blood sugar "stable" we are coming to realize that spending part of the day without food coming in improves insulin response overall which is beneficial for PCOS (and your sway)
Just read a cool study that appears to indicate cooling and then reheating pasta will change the nature of the pasta in such a way that it will have much less dramatic an effect on blood sugar levels. So if you've got PCOS and have been avoiding pasta (because honestly that whole grain pasta is YUK) try cooking it in advance, letting it cool overnight, and then reheating it for less negative effect on blood sugar levels.
Also, slightly green bananas are better for blood sugar than fully ripe ones.
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...ol-blood-sugar
So no coffee for pcos, was taking coffee for about 3 weeks flavor cinnamon and hazel should I stop taking it, so Atomic its strictly no coffee?
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As long as you're on a PCOS-friendly sway diet you can have coffee. Please continue coffee.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruupau
Thanks a lot
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Hey guys, I'm finding my way around the PCOS LE diet. I notice that I need sweet treat after dinner to keep me sane. What if I keep 200 kcal for that and stick to the healthy stuff? (I'll stay within the margins ofc)
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Yes as long as you're keeping everything within limits, most people can tolerate a small amount of sugar.