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    Quote Originally Posted by Florence1 View Post
    We started off with one attempt. We have gradually increased it. We had 4 attempts last month.


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    This month we bd cd 9, 10 and 13. Think I ovulated cd 14 but not entirely sure. Then every 4 days after that.
    I normally ovulate cd 17-21 but got no positive opk this cycle. High reading cd 14 but no peak.

    Previous month bd cd 11, 13 and 17 peak opk cd 19

    Just to add I think I ovulate quite soon after my peak opk. Lots of cramping and only get 1-2 strong lines on opk before they fade again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Florence1 View Post
    Thanks for your reply. I have been swaying since March. I started off doing quite a lot but as the months have gone on I have dropped a few things. At the moment I am
    Skipping breakfast
    Drinking coffee
    Alcohol af-o
    Diet Coke daily
    LE diet but having quite a few cheat days as I am getting fed up of it
    Was doing ph with rephesh but have dropped that
    Have done 5,4,3,2,1 day cut off. Done on O day last month and still no luck
    Was taking fibre but have dropped them
    Cut out tea, bananas and red meat.
    Cut down on potatoes and tomatoes
    Using opks chepie and clear blue to confirm.

    I donít have PCOS that I am aware of.
    I am 9 stone and 5ft 3 inches. Have lost nearly a stone but some of that was baby weight.

    Ok I wonít take any of it for now. I will wait and see what the doctor says.
    I have started having very long cycles. Spotting heavily for 4-5 days before my period. Then bleeding for 7-8 days. So bleeding for nearly 2 weeks.
    Spotting starts normally 8 days past ovulation.
    Hair loss
    Very painful, heavy periods
    Feeling low/ anxious
    It took nearly a year to fall pregnant with my second son and had a miscarriage before I conceived him.

    I know I shouldnít self diagnose, but I definitely feel something isnít quite right with my hormones.


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    ok. so you did not have four attempts this month. You had ONE attempt this month. The other attempts were too far out to count.

    Cramping and how long the lines stay dark do not tell you when ovulation occurs. So you can't know if you're ovulating soon after a positive OPK. The rate when the OPK go negative is meaningless. You can have a positive OPK and have already ovulated, or a negative test that goes negative before ovulation.

    What I want you to do first of all is to have attempts every 4 days in the 72 hour pattern all cycle long starting after your period ends and going on till you're sure you've ovulated, even if that means going all the way thru till your next cycle begins.

    Then if you really want best chances of conception I would add in one more attempt at positive OPK (or high if you never get a true positive)

    I want to hold off making any changes till you hear from your doc but if you're eating tons of sugar let's ease off of that. And I want you eating a serving of full fat dairy every day and 4-6 eggs a week. I also want you adding in iron 30-60 mg daily for the next 6 weeks then going to 3x a week maintenance dose. I do definitely think what you're describing calls for followup with a doctor who can test your hormones.
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    Thanks for your reply.
    That all sounds good to me. Interesting about the opks. Never knew any of that.

    We will give all that a try and see how we get on Will let you know what the doctor days.
    Thanks again x


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    Hey atomic, me again. Iíve been reading up on your timing, frequency pattern and i have totally confused myself. So before talking to you we were going to try frequent release everyday (outside of me) then bd on peak opk. We have missed a few days so have messed that up already. So now you said to do the e4d method. I have read your section on this and you say to either do every 4th or 5th day. So we dtd on thurs 26th nov. When shall we do it again? You said e4d but in the 72 hour pattern? I am being totally thick here, but please can you tell me in laymenís terms when we should be dtd. I really donít want to mess this up. I am thinking of maybe even purchasing one of your packages so you can tell me exactly what to do hahah! I am reading so much information that my head is scrambled x


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    Count the days like this: 26th - attempt (1) 27th - skip (2), 28th - skip (3), 29 (that is TODAY) ATTEMPT! (4) So you can see how people consider that every 4 days. Another way to think of it, is Monday/Thurdsay...not those days per se but that's how you count the days.

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    Right I get it thank you. We will attempt tonight. What has the best success rate have you found? Abstain, frequent or e4d?
    Please can you post the link for the personal plans. Thank you x


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    Neither abstain nor FR has really worked. It's fine to try them if you want but they should be dropped before adding attempts.

    The real thing that sways is one attempt. But e4d IS one attempt really. Because you never are in the fertile window (O-3 thru O Day) with more than one attempt. In most cases you will end up with either one attempt on o-1 or O-2 (because the O-4/5 attempts really are terribly low chances of conception) and then in the case of O-3 and O Day, O-3 is also low chances, and if there's any sperm left over, it will have a chance at the egg before the O Day shot is even deposited, let alone capacitated. And if there's not anything left from the O-3, then the O Day shot will have a chance. Still one attempt either way.

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    Thatís great thanks so much. I will have a look at the plans you do. Thanks again x


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