Flava yes i know how you feel, i swayed for 5mths, working out my O, diet, ions, hoping my lunar date would match up with my O, blah, blah, it is all very annoying, but hopefully its all worth it in the end, so hang in there.
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Flava yes i know how you feel, i swayed for 5mths, working out my O, diet, ions, hoping my lunar date would match up with my O, blah, blah, it is all very annoying, but hopefully its all worth it in the end, so hang in there.
I use to O on CD14 then it went to 17 and now looks like 18 .Don't know why Im not taking anything what can delay O.
Only good thing about it the moon will be in Leo tomorrow because i though I will O in frickin' cancer again! lol Of course i was hoping to O 2-3 days ago when the moon was in gemini and closer to full moon ,but then it went to cancer and i was sad of course but now is like ok at least is so late im moving over to Leo boy sign again.And it's waning moon so also sways blue .Of course maybe all this crap don't matter...
And don't worry about O sways blue either I only have girls hehe. Last try was on IG damn MSU for a boy and still got a girl.Did Shettles before that for a boy.
So I really don't know WTH Im doing here again...
Hey Jude....I have two cabbage kids...I kept them from my childhood! I think I will get them out again so they can play with them...lol They will play with dolls but my oldest tells me he doesn't have any to play with...lol. Right now he loves star wars!
Did you only dtd on pos opk day? Did you abstain or frequent? was this for DS 2?
I wonder if it is DH and motility...geez, I have no idea what I am talking about....perhaps it just happened that way.
I am convinced I will only have boys...I think I have too much testosterone.
Did the vitex change your cycle? I started it yesterday....cd 5 and the pills are in 80 mg. I took two yesterday and two this am....I was going to take 2 tonight...the package says 1-3 a day.
What do you mean o sways blue...the big o?
What the heck is MSU? I never figured that out...is that what the guru "tamara" did? What happened to IG..although, I don't miss it...addicted!
You did shettles for a boy and got a girl....what EXACTLY did you do? lol
I am not sure why your o date is moving,...has it done that before? Are you waiting to dtd? Shettles timing? abstaining? frequent?
One DS was every other day pretty much and stopped morning of o....DS2 was a one time one attempt oops when DS 1 was not even one!!! It was 1.5 days ahead I think...I remember feeling o pain and I was worried I would not be able to have more kids. LOL, I did!
Now, I am wondering the same thing...can I have more?
Have you gone to the docs flava to check levels etc?
The moon is new next week and in Capri and Scor for girl for me....even as I write that.,..I am thinking boy if any for me:(
This whole TTC gender sucks!
Hopefully you are bding tonight!!!
lemon-They say big O and dtd on O day bot sways blue. But i had big O with all my girls so I don't think so. I will not have one this time.
I don't know what happened to IG and don't care no1 was nice to me after I find out DD4 is a girl. And yes MSU is what IG guru did and me to only it did not worked. It's a swim up what you do at home.
We are trying to do 3 days abstaining and dtd again next night if temps are not up on the morning.
Hey ladies - can I join in? I'm 37 and after a m/c at 11 weeks I think am ready to start thinking about trying again. I swayed pretty hard last time, and as a result it took me a long time to get pregnant. It wasn't until I dropped rephresh and got very relaxed with frequent release that we managed to conceive. I'm not going to start out so hard and heavy this time, partly because I know that TTC after a m/c sways pink already, and partly because I don't want to have to spend 4 months trying to get pregnant again (and nearly 6 months on the LE diet!).
I'm probably going to wait until my first period then start trying that next cycle if I O (December or January, I hope). We're going to drop frequent release, but I might use a fingertip of rephresh now and then. I'm going to do a modified LE diet - vegetarian, low protein, low calorie - but I'm going to allow myself cheats now and then and hopefully not lose quite as much weight (I lost 20 lbs on the diet last time, and have now gained back 13 of those pounds). I'll be taking Vitex, and once the bleeding stops, Baby Aspirin. I'll also probably take Zyrtec close to O again. Here's hoping this time I have a pink, sticky bean!
I am clearly always confused....I think I have to give up and try for a baby. I feel like I have wasted a year of my life with no guarantees.
I am sorry if DD4 was hard and that IG was not helpful. I feel like they were swaying me to do o plus 12. It does not feel right at my age and I wish I had never heard of TBM..it makes me tempted but not in my comfort zone.
I just wish I could make it happen the way I want..I am a perfectionist.
Hot there?
Your plan is night before o and morning of o after or day of o?
Are you close to oing yet?
I think 4 girls would be hard...maybe as much as 2 boys...lol! Kids are HARD! hahahaha
Hey there...Of course...join in!
Thank you! I am 37 as well and fell really old!
I am also in Canada!!!
Sorry to hear about your mc. Do you think it was age or some other factor? I have to say we have basically tried a cut off for a year and nothing. For 2 months we dtd right before only shallow and lime or douche...not happening. So, basically I am the worst swayer in the whole world. I just really wanted to have a daughter and now I am risking having another child at all. That frightens me.
I just started vitex. Did you take it before? Do you know if o will be late or early?
I guess you don't know what gender you were carrying which probably does not help mentally. I am sure you are anxious and more than ready! Hopefully things get back on track soon. Maybe just drop things this time round? Or, is that easier said than done...mc do sway pink! Bittersweet I guess.
I really need help...I o next week..sometime.
I have done some form of some diets but I have given up...I had red meat, ate some salt, bought a coffee,...I have been worried what I eat for 1 year. It is too much and I think the stress is getting to me.
I have been taking the supplements, calc, mag, cranberry and now vitex.
My lunar cycle is next week, the 24th, girl...but I think that is my o date. Not necessarily a girl!
My jonas date is the 28th...4 days after o..how is that possible?
I just need to decide...how many times, what days, etc.
Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about timing, lemon - but that's just me. If I were you, I'd try frequent release from now until O-day, then do one attempt on that day..or maybe one the day before and one the day of O. Try your best on the diet until you O, but don't beat yourself up if you cheat. I'm going to be a lot more relaxed with the diet this time around. I think when I went into it last time I assumed I'd only have to do it for 6 weeks, but it was too hard to maintain it for nearly 6 months when I didn't get pregnant as quickly as I thought I would.
I did take Vitex last time too. It made my O day move around - one month it would be 2 days early, the next month 2 days late. Since this will be my first cycle after m/c I won't really know when to expect it.
As for the m/c - who knows what caused it? I comfort myself by knowing that miscarriages are actually quite common, and most women go on to have a successful pregnancy afterwards. The fetus likely died long ago and is just being rejected by my body now. I'm actually happy I don't know the gender. It would be hard if I knew this one was a girl, then ended up conceiving a boy next time.
Frequent release or frequent bding?
I only have 7 days from now or 9 depending on o date and how vitex changes it.
So, you would bd all the way through?
I know I have high testosterone due to PCOS. And, I cannot bd on o day as it hurts too much. I hope this is not too uncommon at my age.
Would you dtd after o?
Is that what you did last time?
MC often happen, but when you try to sway it does make it feel like it is wasting time. I worry about being too old!
Thanks for the input.
Hi! I would like to join in too. I am 36 DH is 37. He will be 38 in February. We are ttc our 3rd. Dh is 100 % this will be our last. He said that after DS 2 also. This past spring I got preggo as an "oopsie" . I've heard people who use "pull and pray": Parents!! LOL. Anyway, I lost that baby (happened to be a girl) Dh saw how wrecked I was and said we would just try again. Maybe thats the silver lining he's now totally on board and doing his part: diet, supps, frequent release (didn't need to twist any arms there)....
I'm praying for a healthy baby girl.. I ache for her. I dream of her.
Welcome Hope and Dream.
So sorry about losing your baby. It must be devastating for you and I can understand how you must ache. I dream of a daughter as well and it consumes me...here I am typing away!!!
Do you think you need frequent release if DH is 37? I am 37 and DH just turned 39. He is not into this whole trying for a girl since it is so uncertain but tries his best. How often do you think you need frequent release? Are you going to do a cut off? How many bds? Where are you at in your cycle and trying?
I o next week....no frequent release and no plan!
I hope this month is your month Hope and DreamG!
Hi Lemon.
I spoke with Dh and got full disclosure from him. When I got preggo with a girl Dh was releasing daily. Also, I read in one of atomics posts that over 35 there is a increased risk of birth defects with abstinence (hopefully I'm quoting this correctly). I am also going to do a cutoff. I think I will have him release daily from AF to cutoff. I may even have him release the morning of our cutoff and BD that night. Hoping for as low sperm count as possible. I will determine my cutoff with regular opks and digitals. Hopefully I will get a fade in pattern. My plan is to DTD when the regular OPKS are almost positive but digital is still negative giving me a 2.5 day cutoff. If I miss it and digital is positive before attemt has happened I will DTD at first positive digital. I am afraid of 0+ I can't see DTD the same day as O. I also plan to use rephresh, it really keeps my PH low as well as combined PH. I am in CD 2. Should O CD 16 or 17. Recently added Vitex and Saw Palmetto don't know if it will be later. Will see! Hopefully it won't take to long. DS 1 preg first month, DS2 wasn't trying, Baby 3 wasn't trying.
You O next week!! Exciting. Keep me posted!
So, you are only going to do the actual bd once?
I used to have a fade in pattern and then things changed...not sure why but it did!
Are the digital OPKs the smiley ones?
How long after the positive OPK do you o? I think I am 24 hours from first postive OPK and the cbfm says Peak the day of o.
So, that is why I kept screwing up the cut off!
How often will you use rePhresh...why not replens?
Is it too late to copy you???
DH has not released at all!
Should I try 3 day cut off with abstinence (but it might end up being 4) and then compressed frequent in between and try for a 1 or 2 day cut off?
UGH, I need a plan!!!!!!!!!
Lemon - we did frequent BD last time, but after my sway was over and I got my BFP I realised that I might unintentionally be swaying blue by doing that. This time I plan to try for just one or two attempts - maybe once when I get my +OPK and once again the day after. I *might* try to get dh to release every day for 7 days before that, but that caused a lot of tension last time so I might drop it this time (which I know will weaken my sway - I just need to do what I can to keep dh on board - he's very suspicious of swaying after my m/c). In your case I'd get dh to release every day from now until your +OPK then have your attempt. If it's too painful to do it on O day, then you could just make that one attempt - though you might not want to use rephresh or anything if you're leaving it to one attempt AND doing frequent release - up to you. It's such a hard balance at our age between wanting to get pregnant and wanting to sway. Good luck whatever you decide to do!
Lemon-
Yes. The digital ones are with the smiley. Everytime I get a +opk FF says I O 2 days later. I think it's like 36 hrs. Bc I get +opk at night and two days later
lowest temp (am).
I like rephresh bc it keeps ph low for 3 days perfect for cutoff. It also works with anything that comes into contact with it like CM and semen to lower ph back to 4.5, replens gets washed away easier. I use it every 3 days. Before attempt I will use it that am (like 12 hrs before)
Regarding frequent dh is willing to take care of that himself taking that off me!
I think your plan can work. Def would do compressed frequent in between attempts.
Mocha-welcome here hun! I think you have a good plan I would do it after 1 cycle too!
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Hi, ladies! I will be joining you! Gotta run but wanted to say hello!
lemon- i had HUGE GD with poor DD3 not much at all with DD4 .Don't know why but Im happy i didn't.
Yeah still really warm here im in FL hell.
We wanted to do night before O and night O but my temp is up high this morning ! So we only did it last night 11 pm exactly (great now everyone know lol) but I say this because I need to ask what all you guys think??
It was already after O then? So this O+12 thing going on for me? OMG I hope not but that's all I can think about....:think::sad:
And all this because DH said don't do it the night before so he got more swimmers this way...he was abst. for 3 days. I could have said do it anyway but I did not I wanted him to feel good and no pressure because our other tries before was not so good...
I had lot's of ewcm the night before and not so much last night. We used pressed.pH was lower too...:sad:
AND if that's not enough the top of that we drink champagne because we where celebrating something.
I said I will not have a big O but I did after...
Ok so I feel I screwed up again another sway...like every month. Because my stupid O is messing with me!:mad: None of this would happen if I just know when I O! Cervix is still HSO and it's already noon ...?
SO again I feel i did a girls sway and kinda hope for a BFP!
You guys really think timing don't matter?Im sad now...I just want 1 boy!
hopeanddreamg- welcome here! I also hope you get a girl to keep this time! So sorry for your loss...I also lost many...
This is what I tell myself too and it kinda makes me feel better. There must have been something wrong and no one want's a sick baby , right? So it's better this way but that does not make us less sad.Quote:
As for the m/c - who knows what caused it? I comfort myself by knowing that miscarriages are actually quite common, and most women go on to have a successful pregnancy afterwards. The fetus likely died long ago and is just being rejected by my body now. I'm actually happy I don't know the gender. It would be hard if I knew this one was a girl, then ended up conceiving a boy next time.
Exactly, Flava. I cried when I read about your late m/c experience over on the November chat board. That's so tough :HH:.
My only worry is that atomic told me that conceiving right after a m/c not only sways pink (which I'm happy about), but ups your chances of twins. I mentioned this to my Mom and she told me that my aunt conceived her fraternal twins almost immediately after a m/c. Yikes! While I love my twins, one set of twins is enough for this family! I'm going to take the risk, though.
GL Mocha, and sorry about your loss! I definitely think swaying after M/C sways pink. I've known many women who concieved a girl right after a M/C, and one of them had like 4 boys before that, so I think it helps somehow.
I'm not past 35, but I like this group, so i'm going to feel free to chime in now and then :P
I've seen enough studies where it does seem that almost equal numbers of sexes are concieved days prior.
The only thing about IG lately I did not like was the extreme o+12 push....if you were swaying girl and not doing o+12 it was kind of frowned upon, but I can't do it because it is too stress inducing to me. I'd rather do a cutoff and use rephresh and keep some sanity. That's me though, and I think everyone's sway needs to feel right to them.
Lemon, have you finalized your plan yet?
mocha- you know just because you had twins before it doesn't mean you get it again, right? let's just hope for a pink bfp!
aurora-welcome here! See i have O+12 problem right now (on page 10 ) I really hope I did not just do one! i sway blue...
And to pushing O+12 I think is stupid because really , but really who can tell exactly when is O+12 ? I do not believe anyone can tell for sure.
Flava, I agree, lots of women on IG did have girls with o+12, but I've seen others (sunset, babydust) that did successful cut offs and got girls.....so that made me feel better about doing a cut off. According to the IG spreadsheet, true o+12 success was 86% ish percentage (forgot exact percent.) That is a pretty good success rate, but nothing is fail proof!! And for me pinpointing o+12 was a nightmare! I believe I have a long LH phase, and I pop +OPKs every month on CD12, and I believe I ovualte on CD13 or 14, but have never been able to exactly figure it out, which one of those two. So a cutoff for me is going to be much less stress....the one month i tried to narrow o+12 I felt like such a failure that I was blindly guessing, and the fact that I concieved two boys on O days made me even more miserable, because what if I didn't do enough hours past o and was in major boy zone?
Although on the other hand, I saw that study that seemed like more girls were concieved on O day, I cannot shake that one thing from me, that having sex on direct O day is big time boy terriority, I guess thats because thats when I concieved my sons I terrified of running into exact O day, but again, I've seen girls concived on O day too, so who knows?
Good luck Flava, and I wouldn't get too worried about it. I think you did a lot of good in your sway. If your boy is due to come, I believe he will arrive :))
I tried 0+12 when I swayed with ds3 back in my IG days, and I messed it up so badly I swore I'd never do it again. Personally I find it's waaaayy too stressful to try to pinpoint O, with the risk you're going to miss your egg entirely. Also, atomic has said elsewhere that if you're over 35 like us, the chances of your egg actually even surviving to 12 hours past O are pretty slim. Not worth it, if you ask me, especially when so many studies suggest timing is meaningless.
Wowzuhs...This thread moves fast! :agree: Looks like there's a lot of us!
Well said, my friend! I will never attempt an O+12. I plan on making rum punch ever night we DTD (end of AF-O) using a smidge of RepHresh every a.m. and a bit of Sylk. Other than that, I'll just keep the diet up. That's it!
Mmmm...I like the rum punch idea, Jen! I'm a wine girl, myself. I also hear wine's very acidifying...maybe I should add that to my sway. It will definitely relax me anyway! :bigsmile:
What's everyone eating these days??? My diet is like a broken record...Salad and air-popped popcorn for lunch...More salad and my raspberry/fiber/ricemilk smoothie for dinner. I've also been indulging in Trader Joe's seaweed snacks since they're so addictive and taste like chips. The sodium/cals, etc aren't bad at all but I'm sure seaweed sways blue. Oh, well.
Lot's of us don't think the IG spreadsheet is accurate. There is so many girls who do not report back especially the 'failed sways" so I don't give much about their so called success rate.
I think a bunch don't report back about their failed sways there b/c it always seemed like if you ended up w/an opposite, people wouldn't really talk to you anymore. How silly is that? This didn't happen to me but I saw it happen to others. It's really sad! Regardless of what we end up with, we should all celebrate w/eachother. If we don't get what we were hoping for, we need to be there for eachother b/c GD is really a rough thing. We're all about unconditional love and support on this site!
YIKES...double-post!
Out of the Blue & Flava,
I agree! I feel like a lot of failed sways do not report back, and I totally understand, but personally, when I sway, if it fails, I'll report back because maybe someone can gleam some wisdom from my mistakes. I also feel that sometimes swaying can seem very competietive, as if you have to "win" and be "victorious" with your DG and if you didn't get your DG, somehow you lost the race. It's not a race; it's a baby!!!
After being on IG and here, it has helped me tremendously come to terms with the idea that if I don't do high tech I cannot guarantee my next baby's gender! I will do what I can to tip the odds, but I don't control it! If I do my best sway I can do, and have a precious third boy, I hope to be supported and loved, not outcasted because I didn't win the "prize"....