For PINK: what's the 'best' way to...

Ok, so Im trying to work out whats the most succesful way in BDing to conceive a pink bundle.

All of my friends have a DD, and most after a DS. Its interesting to see how they conceived their DD and whether their is truth in timing/cutoffs etc or is it purely coincidence?

So 3 ladies got their DD after 1 or 2 DS & all of them DTD ONCE with abstaining for a week with at least a 5 day cutoff.
3 others I know DTD every SECOND day, starting around a week before O and had a 2 day cut off.

I was reading articles from a leading IVF Dr recently and his new found theory is that instead of abstaining and DTD on O day, its better to get rid of the sperm from the testicles every day, 5 days prior to O. (His theory is that its better to have lower sperm with better quality opposed to more sperm with lower quality). He has a very high success rate with males ejaculating daily rather than once and the dominant gender with this technique is males.

My 2 DS were def conceived by DTD on O day.

So just want to see what worked for pink mamas. Afterall, I might only get once chance at making it work :)

Thanks.

I'm sorry, I was on the pill when I conceived my DD so I can't help you. :( But I would love to read that article you mentioned..... Are you saying that he said that with the men releasing daily the dominant gender produced were males?? Thanks! FWIW, I've noticed that timing (unless its O+12) is the least important sway factor....

Ill try and find the article for you. Its basically talking about the success rate of getting pregnant by ejaculating every day opposed to abstaining. I remember reading that out of the same clinic where they use this method, 53% are boys and 47% are girls. He never confirmed that it was the method, I guess its just coincidence.
I have 3 friends that fell pregnant from this clinic, using the same method and all 3 have boys! :)

that article sounds interesting

in your friends case it was probably the abstaining that caused the pink sway and not the timing (not seen any proof that timing sways either way, and I've read quite a lot of studies on it). IMO it's coincidence, as the odds of a girl/boy are 50-50 each time for most women!

definitely think abstaining/frequent sways in some women

I have looked through 431 FF charts for frequency/abstain, half boy pregnancies and half of them girl pregnancies, considered the BD nearest to O and found this:

girl boy
frequent 4-7 days 28 (12,9%) 36 (16,8%)
frequent more than 7 days 8 (3,68%) 11 (5,1%)
abstain min. 7 days 15 (6,9%) 10 (4,67)
BD every other day 52 (23,96%) 62 (28,97)
2 days in a row 46 (21,12%) 39 (18,22%)
3 days in a row 30 (13,8 %) 17 (7,9%)
less than every other day/
more than 1 no BD day 29 (13,3%) 37 (17,29%)
twice a day (one day) 8 (3,68%) 2 (0,9%)

I don´t know if the differences are statistically relevant, did statistics in university but I forgot.
Hope it helps.

Oh, I see the tabs disappear in the thread, the first number and % is for girl, the second for boy.

here's a study that specifically studied timing and gender ratio:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99512073332301

interestingly more girls than boys were conceived on O day, and slightly more girls on O-1




Indira - so your research suggests that BD 2-3 days in a row but not more and not less are best for swaying pink then?

I actually think it's very difficult to look at one factor in isolation because there are so many factors which come into play, whether somebody is swaying or not.

If the report you mention is by an IVF doctor, then surely the patients he is seeing have fertility problems, so I imagine timing isn't the only thing they're doing to help them to conceive.

I asked Atomic about timing studies where it shows more girls around O and she had a good point, that if lower fertility sways pink it's likely that those couples would only be able to conceive right on O because they just weren't fertile enough to conceive with a cut-off.

I think abstaining and frequent release are both valid for lowering sperm count and swaying pink but they're not the only things we do in a pink sway to that end - antihistimines, lowering pH, hot baths for DH - all contribute too. It's because we'll be doing all those things that I'm not planning a long cut-off!

The first few weeks after I found out about swaying I worried about what our timing should be a lot - but as time has passed I've become far more relaxed about it and I'm happy for our attempt to be the day I get a +OPK and not to have to stress about something which probably doesn't matter anyway!

what % of women in general have fertility issues? the timing studies would likely be on women who DON'T have fertility issues - women who want a girl - who probably already have sons which might show that they don't have fertility problems?

... which would make the studies even more useless, if they used women who already had several of one gender! I don't imagine they would do that. I'm pretty sure that with the Oxford study they were all first time parents but I don't know about other studies - that would make the most sense to me though. I don't think lower fertility would necessary mean fertility 'issues', just that a girl might be more likely.

I did mean fertility issues when I was talking about studies by the IVF doctor though!

ah, just checked the Method and it does say they recruited women who were planning to become pregnant (didn't mention previous children) and "Women were excluded if they had a serious chronic illness or if they or their partners had a history of fertility problems."