New to the site after 2 MCs

Hi all,
I really love this site. I feel I get a lot of great info here. I've been on another site but I do feel this one suits my personality better (not the people on the site, just the swaying advice)
I have just had my second miscarriage since December - and I'm pretty devestated. We are swaying pink and I can't help but feel guilty that I've caused this.
I am on a dutch diet - which i paid for almost one year ago :(
And I"ve tried to incorporate all of these other sway things - FR, abstain, timing etc etc etc.
I just want to join this community because I do want to sway. But I don't take my Ph and I don't do lime douches, and I am really keen on the diet but that's about it.
I'm also wondering if FR could have led to mcs. Don't know....I really want a girl, but also just want another baby (I have one ds who I am so crazy about!)
So just want to say Hi everyone!

Oh I meant to say that there is nothing wrong with the people on the other site! Just all the swaying factors! Sorry if that came across wrong! Everyone here seems lovely too!

OH I'm so so so sorry for your losses, Amelia. Welcome to our site! WE have great gals on here as well and a very large group of gals from the Netherlands.

FR is not believed to contribute to miscarriages. Most of the time, miscarriages are just completely random and nothing you did or didn't do.

The problem with adding all those other sway tactics is that they really cut odds of conception. This leaves you on sway diets for too long. Over time, your body can become somewhat depleted and we will need to adjust things accordingly to help increase your odds of a healthy pregnancy. Some of this advice may not mesh with what the Dutch Diet will tell you to do.

I would love to have a little more info about what kind of nutrients you are getting (I know you cannot tell me the jist of the diet but I am wondering if you are taking any other supplements, etc that may be interfering with your ability to get pregnant)

If you are limiting sodium very strictly you may not be getting enough iodine. I think you should immediately add in an iodine supplement of 150 IU, unless you have thyroid problems, in which case you should consult with your doctor right away.

I would add in zinc 8-15 mg 3x a week as well and also iron becuase the Dutch Diet supplements can block iron absorption considerablu. 30-60 mg iron 3x a week.

If you are taking high doses of Vit C (over 500 mg) and/or cranberry, those things can contribute to miscarriage and I would wean off of them.

We don't go in much for pH stuff anyway so no worries there.

Timing does not work. IT doesn't sway and for better odds of pregnancy I would have you drop that as well. Do one attempt at positive OPK or have unprotected sex every 4 days. We are getting good results with those methods!

Welcome Amelia! You have come to the right place we are seeing lots of pink success here! So sorry for your losses X

Is sex every 4 days better than abstaining for 7 days with one attempt atomic?

Thanks so much Atomic and Kitkat! It's been really tough - so I really appreciate your kind words. Atomic - I guess you know all about the secrecy around the DD - it scares me! Anyways - I am taking the usual suspects, calcium, mag, vit d. But I haven't really taken any of them since the 2nd MC. I am however, taking double dose of Folic - 2000 mcg.
My thyroid is a little over 2.5 and I am cross about this! I knew it before my mcs but no one changed my dose. For me, that's not optimal, so perhaps it's got something to do with what's happening.
I was really restricting salt, but the last week I have been less strict about it. I almost feel that maybe going from super low levels to normal maybe had an effect? I could sit here and guess for ever! But my dh always says speculation is the enemy of calm!! And Dr. Google is a scary thing.
I did have DH take LR 4 days before timed TTC and then obviously the FR made me think maybe it's just bad sperm.
I am 36 dh is 43 so don't feel comfortable with abstain - I read your article!
I just want to thank you for answering my post- It really makes a difference and you are wonderful for taking the time!
I would just like to ask you, from your experience, and if it was you, would you choose LE diet over DD? In terms of results you have seen?
Thanks again!

I'm sorry for your losses. To too experienced 2mcs in a short time... So devastating, but I went on to have 2 more boys so it can still happen for you! Welcome and i hope you find comfort and support here!


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Originally Posted by Bobster

Is sex every 4 days better than abstaining for 7 days with one attempt atomic?

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I cannot say which is better because we are not doing a scientific study. Two entirely different groups of people use abstain + one attempt as do DTD every 4 days.

All I can say is that I have been disappointed in the numbers that abstain has gotten but as it sits now I cannot be sure as to why that is. It may very very very well be the case that couples who are able to get pg with abstain + one attempt, are just highly fertile and more "SET" for blue than people who can't get pg that way. It may be that abstain is a great sway tactic and that the nubmers are just misleading due to the fertility factor.

Thyroid is one of the main causes of unexplained losses and I would get a second opinion or consult with a specialist.

The LE Diet is my diet that I invented to be safe, healthy prepregnancy diet, free to everyone, and thus I ALWAYS recommend it over a diet that costs hundreds/thousands of dollars and none of us can even see it do to any research into it. But, as I have not seen the DD I cannot comment on it specifically. I do think that their so-called study is garbage because nearly everyone who started off doing it, dropped out because they were unable to stick with the diet, and a diet that no one can stick with is useless. That having been said, several people have told me that the DD is actually pretty similar to LE Diet in several ways and I think that the DD can work for people, but it isn't because of minerals, it's because it is restrictive in terms of nutrients. And it's my preference that everyone restrict nutrients in as safe a fashion as possible, which is NOT the DD. LE Diet is safer and is based on the recommendations of the World Health Organization as a safe pre-pregnancy level of nutrient intake.

When you say "really restricting salt" what do you mean specifically? YOur body needs the minimum of 700-1000 mg sodium a day for survival and you should never drop below that. Were you pregnant and restricting salt??? I typically have people who want to restrict sodium, to gradually increase to normal immediately upon getting BFP.

The truth is, you will never know why you had the losses. Very few of us do. People go looking and come up with this, that, or the other thing but I can tell you with all but 100% certainty that 4 days of LR and FR was not what caused this.

What is the policy of the Dutch Diet people for people who have been on the diet as long as you??? Surely they have you start to change your diet a LITTLE?? (please do not reveal anything you are not comfortable with, I just want to make sure they do not want you to have a month or two off at this point???)

Oh and I'd have you switch to folate instead of folic acid, it is better absorbed by many people.