A change of plan-can anyone help please?

Hi ladies,

I hope someone will be able to help? I've been doing LE and exercise since January and have had 5 attempts, each with one attempt at positive opk but to no avail. I was pretty hardcore on the plan for a long time. I have relaxed somewhat and haven't exercised for about 5-6 weeks. My diet has not been as strict for that time period either.

My last three cycles have been completely wacky. One extremely long, the only time this has ever happened in 26 years of periods! The following cycle after this I had multiple days of flashing smileys (7) before a static and my last cycle, 7 flashing smileys and no static at all.

Can anyone suggest what might be going on here?

With all of this is mind, I've decided to start the every four days method but not sure how it works? Can anyone explain it to me?

I'd really appreciate any responses. At 38, I feel time is rushing by and am so sad at the thought of no more babies :pray:

Good to hear from you Glittermouse! I've been thinking about you!

What you are describing with your cycles is common when swaying. That being said, can you tell me more about how many calories, foods, and fat and protein you've been getting? Are you exercising? Are you taking any supplements? Sorry for the questions!

Also, if you're doing J and D (jump and dump), hot showers, shallow release, it may be time to stop those or at least wait 5-10min before J and D.

Make sure to be getting 1500-1800 cals, 40-50g protein, and 30-60g fat. If you're exercising, just do 60min of cardio and no more than that.

E4D is when you BD unprotected when AF ends until you go past the latest CD you've ever ovulated on or until CD22. You can skip the opks, since this method ensures at least one good attempt in your fertile window.



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Hello GlitterMouse - Like you, I was swaying for a long time and it takes a lot out of me to feel the months passing by.

I gave up on the OPKs so now I'm starting to try temping at night. (The beep of the thermometer wakes my son up in the morning.)

As for every four days, it made a lot of sense to me once I saw Atomic explained it like: ONE, two, three, four.

So if "Monday" is "one" then it's: MONDAY (sex), tuesday, wednesday, thursday, FRIDAY (sex), saturday, sunday, monday, TUESDAY (sex), wednesday... and so on from the end of your period to the start of your period.

Thank you so much for taking time out to reply to me girls x

xxforhubby-I've been away for a while just getting on with it all. Thanks for thinking of me hun. Hope all ok with you?
So here goes... From about January-July, my calories, protein, fat etc have all been on the low side (probably not reaching those limits each day). Two meals a day, no snacking, loads of black coffee, empty calories and wine at night. I was without fail doing fibre tablets at each meal.

I was exercising furiously- 5,6,7 days per week, every week from January-August. Everytime cardio and for at least an hour. My weight went down to about the same as before I conceived my first son. I think my bmi was in the healthy but low range at that time.
I have relaxed on diet a lot and have gained some weight and have not been exercising much due to ill health.

Some of our earlier attempts involved j and d, shallow release etc but we dropped those for the last couple of attempts.

Complex emotions, my LP is also very short, although it always has been and I managed to conceive both sons with it. I'm not sure if this is to do with bmi for me as I was a podger :bigsmile: when I conceived ds2!??

Its all such a mystery? The lack of static face on last cycles opk is making me worry that I've stopped ovulating? Do you think this is the case? From reading other posts, I picked up some of Atomic's advice about eating some eggs, fish and a bit of whole milk. I now feel so confused. I'm dabbling in LE as well as dipping a toe in blue swaying to get my fertility back.

I did do pregnancy tests during the very long cycle but got very obvious BFN's each time. I have also had two very heavy periods since beginning our attempts (sorry TMI).

Thanks so much for the E4D information. I'm definitely going down that route now. I thought I was doing a simple sway with not too many dimensions but I seem to have messed it up. Not sure which way to go now??

Thanks for your reply Complex Emotions, we are in this together!!

Is your short LP linked to swaying or did you have this issue with your first child?

Is there a reason why you are stopping coffee and alcohol? Are these things linked to short LP? For about 5-6 months, I also drank a ton of diet coke?? Did you use this and fibre too?

Has Atomic offered you any advice? I notice you have another thread going, I must read through that.

Just a question about E4D, I'm guessing that each bd is unprotected? Is DH supposed to release in between or not?

Girls, there is a lot of ground to cover here, can you give me a bump???

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Originally Posted by GlitterMouse

Thanks for your reply Complex Emotions, we are in this together!!

Is your short LP linked to swaying or did you have this issue with your first child?

Is there a reason why you are stopping coffee and alcohol? Are these things linked to short LP? For about 5-6 months, I also drank a ton of diet coke?? Did you use this and fibre too?

Has Atomic offered you any advice? I notice you have another thread going, I must read through that.

Just a question about E4D, I'm guessing that each bd is unprotected? Is DH supposed to release in between or not?

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Thanks GlitterMouse!

I didn't even know what an LP was until a few months ago! I'd only tried to conceive the one time prior to this, and we got pregnant right away the very first month without OPKs or tracking or temping or anything.

I read online that coffee, alcohol, and artificial sugars are all associated with a short LP, but I honestly don't know how accurate that is. I'm kind of grasping at straws with the LP situation and just waiting to hear Atomic's perspective. As for fibre, I get more than enough from diet so I had a sense that it wouldn't be beneficial in my case.

As for E4D, yes, it should be unprotected. I've read Atomic say that it's best to just let your husband "do what he does" in between because trying to control this just leads to marital frustration. Our stats show there's no sway-related benefit to extra releases or abstaining anyway.

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Girls, there is a lot of ground to cover here, can you give me a bump???

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Thanks so much Atomic. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you get a moment! :happy:

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Originally Posted by Complex Emotions

Thanks GlitterMouse!

I didn't even know what an LP was until a few months ago! I'd only tried to conceive the one time prior to this, and we got pregnant right away the very first month without OPKs or tracking or temping or anything.

I read online that coffee, alcohol, and artificial sugars are all associated with a short LP, but I honestly don't know how accurate that is. I'm kind of grasping at straws with the LP situation and just waiting to hear Atomic's perspective. As for fibre, I get more than enough from diet so I had a sense that it wouldn't be beneficial in my case.

As for E4D, yes, it should be unprotected. I've read Atomic say that it's best to just let your husband "do what he does" in between because trying to control this just leads to marital frustration. Our stats show there's no sway-related benefit to extra releases or abstaining anyway.

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Wow, I've had a ton on artificial sugar through sweeteners in my coffee and from drinking DC. Wonder if there is something in that??

How many attempts have you had now? How long have you been on LE? I started in January after about 3 and a half years of lurking behind the scenes!

Bump for Atomic