Femara - sways pink or different cause and effect?

Hi all,

Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this or if it's already been posted (I did look but couldn't see it). I'm a long time lurker (Atomic Sagebrush your knowledge is fantastic and so helpful) but first time poster so hello everyone.

I'm 37 and have a 3 and a half year old son, we would love to have a daughter now so attempting to sway pink. We'd been trying to conceive for a while when I fell pregnant last August but miscarried (blighted ovum, very similar to another poster on here I saw actually - very high hormone levels, no sign of the pregnancy stopping on it's own). During scans they found a lump, I was told not to TTC till they found out what it was, because the NHS is slow it took 7 months to get final results from the MRI to discover it's a small fibroid. I was given the go ahead to start trying again, since then we've been trying 3 months with no luck so far.

In the UK the NHS no longer give any fertility help to people who already have a child. I have a chance to get Femara or Clomid (well generic versions) through a private doctor but it's expensive. It occurred to me that Femara/Clomid might not actually SWAY pink, but it could be a different cause and effect situation - the only women who are prescribed these are those who are struggling to conceive, therefore they will have lower fertility, therefore they are already swaying pink hence more girls on Femara/Clomid. If that makes sense?

What do you think Atomic Sagebrush? Is there any scientific evidence to suggest Femara/Clomid actually SWAY pink, for instance, due to lowered estrogen etc.?

If Femara/Clomid actually sways pink I think I will find the money to try it through the private doctor. If it's possibly an incidental correlation i'll keep TTC naturally for a bit longer. Thanks in advance for any advice!

Also, can I just check I've got everything right? I read sooooo many posts going back years but should've checked just the recent ones about the most effective pink sway. Have I got this right?

- Low everything eg. low calorie, low fat, low nutrient. Should be losing weight ideally.
- No breakfast, little snacking, keep sugar level low
- artificial sweetener e.g. Diet Coke
- fibre (I was going to use psyllium husk)
- supplement - folate (i've been taking folic acid but will try to get hold of some folate)
- DH abstains then one try a couple of days before O
- coffee
- exercise, either lots of cardio or no exercise is that right? If so I will probably stick with none, i've been doing none for the last few months and we're already TTC at the moment so makes sense to stick with that. But if excessive exercise is a good sway (and can work in 2 weeks!) then i'll start now.

Anything i've missed? Thank you!

The vast majority of women who are prescribed Femara and Clomid do not have the kind of "lowered fertility" that sways pink though. They have PCOS, which is actually blue friendly...ovulation is suppressed not because of low hormone levels (sways pink) but because of high ones (likely blue friendly). So when scientists did studies among this group of people and found that even though the women who are prescribed Clomid WERE NOT doing anything to sway (in fact, were probably doing many things to sway blue trying to conceive) and additionally mostly had PCOS which likely sways blue to start with and still the Clomid swayed pink between 3-5% of the time and the Femara was shown in the one study it was tested in, to be even better than the Clomid for pink.

Additionally, over the 9 years of this site we've had great results with the Clomid/Femara plus otherwise good pink sways even though at least some of those women were not prescribed Clomid for fertility reasons but took it on their own. They still got more girls.

I am 1000% convinced that Clomid and Femara sway pink and advise anyone who can get some legitimately, to use it.

Everything else is looking great but I did want to address the exercise.

We originally started out thinking it needed to be all or nothing on the exercise. But it's gotten such great results that I now really do strongly recommend it even if you can only get up to like 4 days a week.

We also used to worry about starting only 2 weeks before but again, exercise has been so good and any potential risk of that was totally hypothetical anyway. Plus that way if you take another month to conceive you'd have gotten the full 6 weeks or more on exercise anyway.

PS (if DH is over 35 he cannot do abstain though)

Thank you so much you've explained it perfectly, I appreciate that a lot.

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Everything else is looking great but I did want to address the exercise.

We originally started out thinking it needed to be all or nothing on the exercise. But it's gotten such great results that I now really do strongly recommend it even if you can only get up to like 4 days a week.

We also used to worry about starting only 2 weeks before but again, exercise has been so good and any potential risk of that was totally hypothetical anyway. Plus that way if you take another month to conceive you'd have gotten the full 6 weeks or more on exercise anyway.

PS (if DH is over 35 he cannot do abstain though)

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Perfect thank you! I'm off for a run haha

Sorry one more thing, and apologies if you've already posted about this. Do you recommend BD a few days before O or the O+12 method? I read your posts about Shettles being contradicted regarding sperm swimming speeds, and it makes sense. The only reason I can think the Shettles method of BD a few days before would be effective would be due to the Ph of cervical mucus?

If you feel the need to do timing please do the Shettles method which at least puts you in with a chance of conception instead of O+12 (when done properly will give you NO chance of conception).

Timing just really doesn't make sense once we understand that X and Y sperm swim the same speed, are roughly the same size, and live the same amount of time. And pH makes no sense either as all the fluids our body makes in our reproductive tracts at ovulation are slightly alkaline - it's impossible that X sperm like low pH and Y sperm like high pH because the fluids in our body are always neutral pH.

Some helpful threads you may or may not have seen already:

Timing debunked: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...le-timing.html
O+12 debunked: https://genderdreaming.com/forum/try...9-no-12-a.html
pH debunked: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...ph-pickle.html

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

If you feel the need to do timing please do the Shettles method which at least puts you in with a chance of conception instead of O+12 (when done properly will give you NO chance of conception).

Timing just really doesn't make sense once we understand that X and Y sperm swim the same speed, are roughly the same size, and live the same amount of time. And pH makes no sense either as all the fluids our body makes in our reproductive tracts at ovulation are slightly alkaline - it's impossible that X sperm like low pH and Y sperm like high pH because the fluids in our body are always neutral pH.

Some helpful threads you may or may not have seen already:

Timing debunked: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...le-timing.html
O+12 debunked: https://genderdreaming.com/forum/try...9-no-12-a.html
pH debunked: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...ph-pickle.html

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Oh wow thank you I can't believe I missed those! VERY helpful. Such a relief to be able to forget about that stuff, it's such hard work!

It really is, and if you're the type of person who tends to be a control freak, those methods can really aggravate those tendencies even enough to cause opposites.