Not pregnant -- ME?

Well at least we have some answers!


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I just am sitting here baffled. If I hadn't pushed for this analysis myself, I'd have just been thrown on drugs.

But if anything, I'm even sadder. I've been working so hard and feeling so depressed, and it looks like it might not even be me.

His count is 23.9 million, though he apparently missed the cup (... sigh), so we're going to do another SA again with a condom to be more accurate. That high fever from August is still in the back of my head, too. Viscosity and aglutination are both abnormal at 3. Motility is 65%, but of that 65% 45% are non progressive.

Specifically being told we'd have trouble conceiving. So wtf that we have been, even when not trying?

But then his morphology is 14%... but of all the 85 sperm that were wonky, they all had head issues prompting further analysis for a possible genetic or chromosomal issue.

So I'm just at a loss. I feel sad... sad I can't control this, sad I've spent SO much time swaying and stressing for something that truly has been fruitless.

Before DD, DH was smoking, depressed. I was starving myself, overexercising and subsisting on coffee and alcohol. Perfect baby first try -- and I spent so much time hating life because she wasn't the boy I wanted.

Now I eat well, do yoga and acupuncture, take a shitton if supplements, DH is the healthiest he's ever been between diet, exercise, supplements and his vitals... and for what?

I just can't believe the hand I keep getting dealt. Did two years really make that much of a difference for his sperm age? Studies keep saying over 35 matters, but holy hell... his sperm has some real issues.

I was still desperately looking for hope that we could try naturally. Now it looks like IVF really is our only option.

Hang in there sweetie! That is a hard blow and really makes you wonder! I’m hopeful that a repeat SA will give a much clearer picture. Let’s not discredit what his high fever may have caused, either. When my DH has his SA done back when we were trying for our 3rd child, they made him skip a month before they would check his sperm after being sick.

I know it feels like everything is gaining up on you. It’s hard to not take it personally, but please don’t! Shit like this happens and while it sucks, don’t beat yourself up over it. You’re doing the best you can and have been! Both you and your DH have made some awesome gains and lifestyle choices that are worth celebrating! While it seems like your dream of having a son seems so far away, it may very well be right around the corner! All of this may have had to happen for him to come to you! While we don’t have a crystal ball, I can tell you it will happen. I don’t know when, but if I can get pregnant with an FSH of 45, and AMH of 0, you most certainly can get pregnant too! Let’s just suspend our thoughts for a bit until we can get a more accurate SA done, ok? Keep up the good work you’ve come so far to set yourself back now!

(((Huge Hugs)))


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TP i am so glad they found this before you started on unnecessary drugs, i agree with XX the SA needs repeating and then you can compare the results, fingers crossed things will look better due to the fever being further out of his system and him not missing the cup!!

i must admit i really dont know anything about sperm stats but you said he seems to have lots of girl swimmers? i thought all men were pretty much 50/50? im sorry if this seems a really ignorant question

i really hope you can get answers and form a solid plan so that you can really move forward towards getting your boy, you know that things with you are all A-ok which is so positive even though it may not feel that way right now :heart: and fingers crossed this repeat SA brings a more accurate (and better) picture xx

I'm sorry if you've already said this but has your DH had genetic testing done? I know you said you have but I don't know if that included your DH. My husband and I both had an extensive genetic panel called inherigen through genpath. It may be worth looking into if his SA came back with chromosomal abnormalities. It's $5k and insurance may not cover it but like I said, it may be worth doing since it looks at practically everything you can think of genetically speaking. I also agree with having the SA repeated and if it's still abnormal, asking about doing inherigen (if you haven't already).

His sperm was abnormally viscous and agglutinized, plus messed up motility and barely normal count, so that's why I think of it as girl sperm :/

He did have a karyotype done but it came back normal!! Some loss sites did say that sometimes further testing needs to be done to find chromsomal stuff, like micro FISH? But in the meantime, I'm still waiting for almost 2 weeks to see my RE :(

Burokoam and I were talking, and she thinks an IUI might be the next best step maybe? They can do a wash for the better quality sperm I know, and it sways blue right? But is his sperm too far gone? :(

Throwaway_panther I'm only new to this site but I really feel for you. Have absolutely no advice. I've had 3 mmc's and I'm hearing the problem may sit with me (not from medical team....yet). It's such a horrible, hard, gut wrenching time when all we want is to have and mind our babies! I truly wish you the best and that the results come back in your favour. Xx

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Wait a minute here - he had normal chromosomes?

Ok I think we need to take a breath here and think this out. The sperm parameters you are describing (IMVHO) do not explain recurrent losses. he wouldn't be getting u pregnant again and again if this is a motility and semen consistency thing. I think you're mentioning that as an indicator that something else is probably wrong here chromosomally but it very well may not be. I am concerned for the same reason that Nuthin was, that there could be some sort of immune system interaction (almost like an allergy) between what he is bringing to the table (the agglutination can sometimes indicate he has antibodies against his own sperm)

I understand that you are under the care of an RE and everything. I get that. But Dr. B is the best that there is so just keep it in mind that you may want to do some investigation into the idea that this is some sort of autoimmune situation. This would also explain why you had no prob. your first pregnancy - sometimes couples have no issues with their first pregnancy and then in subsequent pregnancies your immune system is more worked up than it was. It's just something to keep in mind, a lead to keep in the back of your head to investigate along the way.

I think what nuthin was driving at is that she doesn't want you guys to proceed with IVF/PGD under the assumption that it's for sure chromosomal when it may not be because if it is immunological that could end up causing troubles even more so in an IVF round. FX.

I do think high viscosity for a males will ultimately be linked to more girl offspring just like if a woman's cervical mucus is thick it is more hostile to Sperm. I'd be curious to know in the grand scheme of things if it plays more of a part than myones aware of at the moment. Thin seminal fluid and thin cm = heavy boy conditions with right diet and excersise, thick for both equating to more girl offspring with a pink friendlier diet.. and the well mixed/blended gender families probably have a toss up of each partner having one or the other, maybe even at different times.

It's important to note that the kind of damage they are seeing is not from
His cold a month back IMO.

I am standing my ground that I don't care how or why it has been happening but your body is attacking the babies as intruders. The thing is it doesn't have to be the baby that has your uterus all upset and irritable. It can be your body responding to the antibodie issues in his sperm and if it angry and killing the sperm off for being weird, no matter what the reason is, it will also make your uterus too angry to let a healthy normal chromosome baby of either gender implant and stay. If your body senses 'danger' in your uterus it's not going to differentiate between the baby or the sperm. You are the first person to question an "infection" of some kind this last cycle because even after the progesterone was stopped your temp at one point spiked high enough you looked like you were about to develop a fever.

We know I don't have the antibodies for sure since IGA, IGG and IGM were all tested, but his SA results still aren't all back so that'll be another wait. There is some research saying that these early results for DH ARE linked to losses as well as difficulty conceiving.

The infection part on my end, I'm wondering if that last spike in temp was the last try to save that embryo. My white blood cell count was noted as fine before too (remember, I had all my initial bloodwork done during that 4th loss!).

But now that I found a study showing specifically sons of formerly infertile couples have more issues conceiving, I'm banging my head against a wall. Yet his brother (who had to see an RE because they took over a year to conceieve, and also had two losses) did end up having 3 kids (BGB).

I told you guys the weird shit seems to happen to me! Now I guess it's rubbed off on DH!