Can I ask what your advice is in regards to taking Clomid while breastfeeding? She only feeds once at night to goto bed, is it something that could be dangerous for her?
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Can I ask what your advice is in regards to taking Clomid while breastfeeding? She only feeds once at night to goto bed, is it something that could be dangerous for her?
Thomas Hale (the expert on nursing and medication) has Clomid as safe while breastfeeding. Tons of people use it while nursing and I would be fine with taking it personally. https://kellymom.com/nursingtwo/reso...c-while-bf.pdf
I think I'm CD 16, and I got almost ewcm today for the first time. Hopefully we'll make an attempt on Tuesday.
This is exciting that I seem to be ovulating on my own. This is my 2nd cycle without Clomid.
That's so exciting! Good luck Mrs. E!
Soooo.... we made an attempt today, but I'm pessimistic about it. Two weird things:
1. I'm still getting mixed cm. There is totally one part that is all ewcm, but mixed in with it is a thicker cm. The thicker cm kind of floats on segments of the ewcm. Usually I get small amounts of this mixed stuff for a couple days before getting large amounts of pure ewcm, but this cycle I've had two days with small amounts of mixed, then today I got huge amounts but still mixed. So it's possible that I'll get pure ewcm soon, and then ovulate in a few days, but also possible that my cm quality (though not quantity) has gone down inexplicably. I'm not sure whether sperm would be able to get through the thicker parts.
2. I haven't been temping this cycle, but I took a random afternoon temp today and it was high -- like the afternoon temps that I get post O. I think it was just a fluke, but there's a small possibility that I ovulated yesterday. I've never ovulated before getting pure ewcm though.
I had 12 months of TTC my daughter and approx 6 months of TTC #2, and every time I feel like I should be an expert in TTC, my body throws me for a loop and I'm like "Am I about to ovulate? Did I ovulate? WTF?"
Hope everyone else is happy and healthy :)
So good Mrs English. I think that whenever we're wanting things to be clear and simple thats right when things become different and confusing, keeping us guessing. Its so frustrating. Good luck!
Atomic! Advice please!
Ive just seen first sight of blood this morning, so today or tomorrow will be CD1 of my agreed with hubby last cycle ttc. I am wondering what I can do to up my chances. Background reminder for you 38 lost my pregnancy with my HT girl in November. Took clomid March (one attempt at +OPK), April (E4D), May without clomid (but also pretty much a month off ttc), and June with clomid all without success.
My last 2 cycles have become longer but I am still getting +OPK and ewcm. I ovulated CD22 both May and June.
I asked for clomid. Dr told me to take it CD1 but I have gone with CD3
I have to remember that I am trying for a girl. Was thinking I will definitely do E4D plus one at positive OPK but the OPK's really stressed me this month as did temping because I have gotten into a really poor sleep pattern I think due to wanting to temp accurately...
Should I ditch clomid? Take it earlier? I know that carries risk of multiples but is that a good thing giving me more chance?
My weight is stable, and has been for a couple of months. I am doing fertility diet focusing on lentils/black beans/some chicken with adding salmon, egg whites (belly cant tolerate the yolks anymore) 4 x weekly, heaps of veges mostly free type, exercising (although I have just had 4 days off due to awful weather and just feeling fatigued-thought I may have had a shot at bfp this time), dropped coffee to 1-2 a day and then 1-2 decaf. Alcohol I was having 1 per day.
I also take metformin 3 x daily. This was started at HRC and I continued as they link it to improved egg quality. Thoughts?
I know this is long Atomic, Im sorry, just wondering how I can go out on a high as my last hurrah!?
Emshe:
Lose the temping. I agree that temping can actually disrupt sleep because you're so worried about waking up and temping that it causes you to wake up MORE thinking "is it time to temp yet?" Plus it's not reliable on Clomid anyway.
Clomid is the best of the best sway tactic there is. i would hang on to Clomid and add an attempt. If you don't want to do OPK, just have an extra attempt whenever you see the most EWCM (this is a judgement call - it's ok if you end up having more EWCM the next day or whatever, just do your best)
I believe we see best chance of conception with Clomid on CD 3.
I am concerned that your diet seems very low in fat. ARe you doing full fat dairy?? I want you on 50-60 g of fat a day not counting fat in fruit and veg (other than avocado)
I am also concerned that the diet + met may be too much for you. I would drop down to 2 or even 1 Metformin this month. I feel like sometimes metformin can be too much of a good thing and while it's said to "help egg quality" keep in mind that many people who take it, have horribly carby diets and have poor egg quality due to that. For them, lowering blood sugar dramatically may help. But if you're already eating an LE type diet without the high intake of sugar/carbs, I wonder if it may be too much of a good thing. And you NEED some fat from somewhere!!
Re the legumes, some evidence indicates that legumes (particularly peas and lentils) may have a component in them that may lower fertility. It may behoove us to dial it back on the beans and peas in favor of more full fat dairy and meat and nuts as protein sources (I would say eggs but you aren't tolerating those well)
Are you doing anything else you can possibly think of that is lowering chances of conceiving?? Hubby wearing tighty whiteys? Shallow release??? Any lubricant?
Mrs. E:
1)I have not found that monitoring CM to that level is very helpful. No matter what, the semen will act as a life raft till the sperm gets into the cervix and it's very likely you have more EWCM up inside where you can't see it. The sample of EWCM we see is really not always indicative of our ability to conceive; I got pregnant with no visible CM at all whatsoever and I didn't even know I was ovulating! People will send me messages all the time about their EWCM quality and it really does not seem to mean anything at all.
2)I never put any stock into one isolated temp esp. in the afternoon.
The reason why you can monitor for so long and still be confused is because cycles change all the time! Even experts can't get it right because it changes month by month and it's just impossible to tell because of the fluctuations. We can spot general trends but it's really, really tough to know if ovulation has occurred or not.
Thank you so much Atomic!Quote:
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I agree to stick with what I’ve been doing clomid wise. Or maybe I should ditch it!? Someone mentioned possible resistance in the tww thread, is that likely? I know the long Lucrin HT cycle was a bust because the strength of the lucrin fried my egg quality ( don’t know if that’s relevant?)
I wondered whether I should ditch the metformin? but if you think it better I will drop it to 1 at dinner
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Have included today’s meals (not including my mountain of free veg) & just upped the quinoa to boost protein more. I am very particular about always meeting the fat limit. I’ll start to focus more on chicken again for protein. As well as the salmon. Should I drop coffee for all decaf, & drop alcohol?
Do you think the 3 weeks before I ovulate will be enough to kick in with the changes?
Gosh I hope so
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It's fine to drop the Clomid if you want to, I am much more suspicious of the Met though.
You're taking 3 a day, so I hesitate to have you go from 3 to NONE all at once. Just go to 1 and see what happens.
Pears, raspberries, and potatoes you'd not count protein or fat in them so you may have even more fat to use up! Keep up with the avocado, maybe some coconut oil as well since you can't do the whole eggs.
Thank you! I have gone to 1 one day, 2 the next. I’ll try some coconut oils, I actually got coconut yoghurt would that be similar it had a really good level of fat and is delicious [emoji39]Quote:
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Do you think I could be lacking iron, I was once told periods can be heavy when your iron is low & it was at that stage, and my periods are very very heavy especially when I’ve been on Le for 7 months
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Should I BD today or wait?
I was on clomid this cycle and I was taking OPKs around when I should have ovulated and never got a positive. Well I got discouraged and stopped using them and yesterday I had a lot of EWCM (sorry tmi) well my hubby is out of town during the week and comes home for the weekend tonight. Would it be a bit away if we BD tonight or no? I am assuming I Oed 5 days late (yesterday) due to how I felt.
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If you had cm yesterday then surely it couldn’t hurt to try especially if it’s the only chance you might get?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boymom287
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Let's add in 30-60 mg iron daily for 2 weeks and then go to every other day. IF you notice, when u start the iron, that you suddenly feel a lot o more energetic and healthy than u had been, take daily for 6 weeks. When u get BFP continue at the 3x a week in addition to what is in your prenatal. Don't get the iron pills that have hundreds of MG iron in them, they are badly absorbed and are murder on your poor stomach!Quote:
Originally Posted by emshe
Agh sorry this came thru when I was off for the night - YES please have attempt!!! Now if you haven't already!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Boymom287
Wednesday and Thursday my cm was like on Tuesday. Friday it was gone and stayed gone. So either I O'd sometime around Thursday, or I had a pcos "fake out" and didn't O. I haven't been temping, but I'll temp tomorrow morning if I remember.
Thanks atomic, I will look for a gentle one, have used liquid for ‘spa tone’ in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Wondering how this impacts on pink sway?
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I remembered to temp this morning and got a nice post-ovulation temp, so I'm 95% sure I ovulated.
I guess I'll make July 5th POAS day if AF hasn't shown by then. I'm feeling pessimistic about this cycle. I'm not even sure I can get pregnant without Clomid.
Atomic, do you know whether I'd have the same chance of getting pregnant in a cycle where I ovulate without Clomid as in a cycle where I ovulate with Clomid? Is it only the fact of ovulation that matters and all ovulations are equal, or does Clomid make a bigger, better quality egg?
Lots of people have used SpaTone - just be sure it has only iron and Vit. C in it. Some of them have lots of different nutrients.
I have gobs of pink swayers take iron. I don't think it sways by much if at all, since we have the best results with people on diet the longest and they are also the ones who end up on iron!
Oh that's great!Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsEnglish
We don't know that you can't get pregnant without Clomid! AS long as you ovulate, you can get pregnant. Remember you're still fairly close postpartum to your last birth, your body may just not want to get pregnant yet.
To answer your question, ovulation IS all that matters. Some do believe that Clomid helps to make a better egg or a better corpus luteum but it's not proven, and even if it is somewhat true, the fact is that people get pregnant without Clomid even after having used it with previous conceptions!
I’ll be looking for your bfp on July 5th Mrs English. Hoping for you
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Is this ok atomic, & thank you!
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Yes!
I think I'm 9DPO today, and I just know I'm not pregnant. Now I've been wrong about thinking that I was pregnant when I wasn't, but I've never been wrong about thinking I wasn't pregnant when I was (even to be fair, there was only one opportunity for that).
I read somewhere that a fertilized egg sends out signals that prepare the uterus lining for implantation. So my theory is that when I feel pregnant but don't get BFP it's because I had a fertilized egg that didn't implant, and that in cycles like this where I feel totally unpregnant, it's because there's not even a fertilized egg. I could be wrong though, I've never been that good at Biology.
I hope you’re wrong Mrs English.Quote:
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To top it off, I woke up from a very vivid dream that I got my period. 😂
It’s amazing how our thoughts influence our dreams isn’t it. Another reason I wish I could just flick a switch to turn my “thoughts” off at timesQuote:
Originally Posted by MrsEnglish
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I understand why you think that, but it's reallly not a thing. I have "felt pregnant" in months I could not possibly have been pregnant and had NO IDEA I was pregnant with my 4th or 5th until I was 7 and 5 weeks along, respectively (and I was an expert by then, had been preggo several times, and still didn't know!)
Progesterone rises after ovulation and this makes symptoms. Some months you're more "hormoney" than other months (and some evidence indicates you are more likely to conceive in the "hormoney" months) so it may be the case that you may have early pregnancy symptoms in months you do conceive, but it's NOT that you're having actual pregnancy symptoms but simply that you were making a lot of hormones and made a better egg and/or your body was better set up for conceiving in those months and the symptoms were NOT from pregnancy, but indicated that your body was more likely to get pregnant in that month if that make sense.
I understand why you think that, but it's reallly not a thing. I have "felt pregnant" in months I could not possibly have been pregnant and had NO IDEA I was pregnant with my 4th or 5th until I was 7 and 5 weeks along, respectively (and I was an expert by then, had been preggo several times, and still didn't know!)
Progesterone rises after ovulation and this makes symptoms. Some months you're more "hormoney" than other months (and some evidence indicates you are more likely to conceive in the "hormoney" months) so it may be the case that you may have early pregnancy symptoms in months you do conceive, but it's NOT that you're having actual pregnancy symptoms but simply that you were making a lot of hormones and made a better egg and/or your body was better set up for conceiving in those months and the symptoms were NOT from pregnancy, but indicated that your body was more likely to get pregnant in that month if that make sense.
I understand what you're saying makes sense about most symptoms like sore boobs, appetite changes, tiredness, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
But the one time I was pregnant, before bfp when I'd have an orgasm I'd get mildly painful cramping right after, and that never happened to me other than that one time. TMI but last night I O'd and no cramping.
Hey, there are a kajillion things in this world that I don't know about. I simply warn people off this because so many people make themselves miserable, with false hope or false despair, by analyzing their symptoms and I think it's not productive or mentally beneficial for you guys esp. when you've been TTC a while.
Hey atomic! (Please see Added update below)
Doing e4d, scheduled attempt is due tonight Thursday but bd last night at positive opk (was planning additional plus one attempt) now I’m wondering whether to still do e4d attempt tonight? Chart is linked below. Not temping sorry
Monday pm
Wednesday pm at positive opk
Thursday pm e4d due
Doing clomid, exercise, fertility diet 8 months, hubby ole, coffee, low bmi, reduced metformin.
Update!!!
We bd again according to e4d schedule Thursday night on top of our plus one attempt at positive opk on Wednesday night. although I had pressure pain starting a few hours prior to Thursday nights scheduled attempt.
Hope we did the right thing!!!! Tell me we did, just for sanity’s sake! Pretty please. Yikes
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AF got me this morning, BUT:
1. I'm ovulating on my own
2. I've been spot on making attempts with good timing
3. I have a long luteal phase
So I believe it will happen eventually.
Oh I'm so sorry yesterday was our national holiday and while I tried to get thru all the q's I ended up running out of time and didn't get to this thread!!
You did exactly what I wanted you to do in that scenario. Keep going with the e4d whenever that is scheduled plus adding the one attempt whenever that falls!
I agree Mrs. E - I think you're still just a smidge too close to your last baby being born and your body is just not sure that it wants to do it all again just yet! It will happen in time! :cheer:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsEnglish
Thank you so much atomic, thats excatly what we've done. It's just always so reassuring to here it from you because you're awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Fingers crossed we get lucky.
I have boxes and scripts left from HT for crinone, wondering if I should use it, thoughts atomic!?
Hey! I’m new to this site! I tried to start a new thread but I haven’t figured out how to yet. I’m going to start TTC next summer but I wanted to get my research done early. I have two kids dd (5) and ds (2) and we both really want another girl. I was thinking about taking unprescribed clomid. I have no ovulation issues that I know of. I have the IUD in currently and will be taking it out next summer. I would LOVE twins!!!! I know clomid increases the odds to 8% but I was wondering if there was anything I could do to raise that a little bit. Any advice would be great! I have read several of the forums and respect y’alls opinions greatly.
Thanks in Advance!
Thanks for the encouragement, I think you're right. It's a bit hard for me to admit it, because it was a big desire for me to have kids really close together, honestly more for ego reasons (to feel like I was extra fertile) than for practical reasons, but I'm just going to have to let that go. I am really just grateful that I'm not infertile. At this point I'd say I'm 90% grateful and 10% disappointed, hopefully that will change even if I don't get pregnant soon, and I'll be 100% grateful.Quote:
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Studies done by some very reputable places (like Harvard University in the US) have shown that crinone/progesterone does NOTHING to improve people's chances of pregnancy (even with IVF, believe it or not!) It is a placebo but doctors still prescribe it just so people can feel they've done everything. I don't recommend it because it does have side effects and risks that come with it and it just does not seem to be doing much of anything.Quote:
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