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Lemon - agree with mocha! If you keep pH down, daily BD should sway pink. Shettles has been disproved so many times and I've seen more studies proving BD on ov day sways pink if it sways at all so we will be BD through ov
Afm - cd10 today and got a surprise "high" on my cbfm this morning. Earliest ov has been so far was cd19! Seems vitex is working although hoping ov is about a week away!
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Hi, ladies! Hope all is well. I have been MIA as you know as I am in Mexico for 2 weeks. It is hard to get on the internet here. I needed to drop in this early am, hope you don't mind, I am feeling really lost and needed to vent. I am having such a difficult time doing this all here. I took my clomid cycle day 5-9 and I really don't know that I am going to O at all. I have a slight concern that I actually missed it altogether, but I think more likely that its just not going to happen, I'm on day 14 now which i know is early but no feelings are happening at all and there are no lines at all on opks. On top of it, the food here is so bad for you that i am either starving myself or eating horribly so I am gaining weight while here. I am quite in a bad place. I wanted so badly to have a relaxing time here as I usually do, instead I am hungry or fat, and worried about not ovulating. On top of it I am skipping out on all these lovely fruity drinks to keep my blood sugar down! uggh, sorry for the rant, I am just so down, and can't believe my body, I know my body pretty well and don't think I am going to O. I feel so desperate and hate to feel this way...
sorry to just drop in and vent, I am just feeling so alone here, especially having all of dh's family here watching me.
:agree: Great advice...couldn't have said it better!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mochagirl
Amari, I'm so sorry things are not going well. Try to limit your food intake b/c it's rich in cals, etc. but you still need to eat, especially at your size! Drinking coffee or a coke really helps keep my hunger away so you could try that to stretch out your meal times. As far as O goes, I think you're just not relaxed enough. If you let go of some of the guilt about food, I'll bet you'll be in a much better place for O to happen. I know when I'm stressed out and I need to relax, someone telling me to just relax makes me even more stressed. :rolleyes: You'll have to find a way to do it yourself somehow. :HH: I know it's hard for you to log on but if you need to vent, etc., come back and post b/c it may make you feel a bit better so you can relax a bit.
Amari - I'm soooo sorry you're having a tough time. It's hard enough to sway when you're away from your home and routine, but to be with your ILs makes it doubly hard. I'll be in your exact position next week when I'll be staying with my ILs across the country for a whole week! Luckily I'll be able to come online and vent, I hope.
Try to relax as much as you can (I know, easier said than done) and good luck catching that egg! :HH:
Amari, I am so sorry your vacation does not sound like much fun at all!!Quote:
Originally Posted by amari
You need some fruity drinks:)
Clomid itself sways girl! Also, when I used clomid my doctor said to bd on cd14, 16, 18 and 20. That is it! The fact that the first day the doctor said ws cd 14 is because on clomid you ovulate quite late. Once it was cd 16 and once it was cd 18 or 19.
Also, there are many girls born from clomid and that is all. I hope you can relax:)
Thanks Mocha and Out of the Blue,Quote:
Originally Posted by Out of the Blue
The timing thing is getting to me!!!! I am trying hard not to believe it!
So, today I am cd 12.....still low on cbfm. I am quite confused!
My temp is high for the third day in a row. I really thought I had ovulated...but I think the temps are up bc I am sick. Also, the opks would have shown something if I had o'd.
So, back to the plan....!
OOTB, what did you end up doing exactly? Did you have DH release in between or just dtd everyday?
Did you take days off?
How much rephresh did you end up using?
I used some Tuesday and yesterday. I gather that it also makes it hard to decipher cm right?
My ph is naturally high.....really high! I eat the right foods and even after a pitcher of crystal light it is still high.
So, I guess that is why I am worried about timing and dtd too many times....!
I have bd cd 9, 10 and morning of cd 11.
Most months I o on cd 14. We will bd today....should I go every day?
Every other and have dh release in between?
Thanks Mocha and OOTB!
Mocha, any signs of o yet?
When will you start bding?
OOTB, what dpo are you?
Are you excited?
Rainbowfower! You got a high and I am still low:( I stopped taking the vitex the other day...maybe being sick is delaying o?
When will you start bding? Will you dtd after o as well?
What are you doing to keep ph down?
If you can give me any other advice about your sway I would love to hear it!!!
Enjoy your Saturday!
I really want to say hats off to you ladies who have been trying for a while. I feel like I'm going crazy just waiting to ovulate (I'm only on CD12) so I have no idea how I'm going to survive the 2WW. And this is only my 1st full month trying. I think it's because I've never really "tried" in this sense before. My 1st son was not planned and my 2nd son we decided we would just stop preventing in September and then really start trying in October and September 26th I found out I was pregnant.
I'm so sorry your time away is not going well. Being away from home (and with DHs family) while swaying and TTC has to be hard. I know trying to relax and enjoy yourself is much much easier said than done but is there anything you can do to help? Is there anywhere to get a massage or manicure or something similar?Quote:
Originally Posted by amari
Oh and I wanted to add about the different old wives tells gender tests I had a very strange one that I had never heard of done with DS1 that was correct. Someone told me if you hold a baby (I think only a male baby) that is under a year old over your belly and they push both feet straight down (as if the plant their feet) then you are carrying a boy and if they lift one leg up you are carrying a girl. It's one of the craziest I've heard and it's something about the boy standing his ground with another male and being a gentleman to the female. Someone told me this while we were at the home of a friend with a 6month old son so we decided to try it and according to their son we were having a boy.
I recently contacted one of those baby psychics and she said I would get a BFP in January from a cycle that began in December and it would be a girl. I'm so so so hoping she is right! And maybe that's one reason I'm so anxious this cycle which I know I need to chill out a bit.
Hey Rainbowflower....!
How many high days do you usually get with the cbfm?
Did your opk show positive as well?
I am just wondering as last month I never got a peak and I wonder if it was because my cycle was a bit shorter. This month I do not have a high and I am cd 12....so, trying to figure out when to dtd again!
So far I have cd 9, 10, 11 and wondering if I should wait until it says high or basically assume it is not working again this month!
So confusing!
it varies - sometimes I've had 7-8 high days before OV, other times I've had just 3. Last cycle when I used the CBFM it missed my peak (didn't detect LH surge) but OPKs did and weirdly I had 5-6 days of pos OPKs... I think BF was really messing with my hormones at the time! It's not the first cycle I've had where it missed the peak, though. I had one other cycle which was following my MC and it missed it then too so I do think perhaps it's more sensitive to hormone imbalances than anything.
this cycle already feels more normal so I'm expecting OV will be within a week
I've never not had a high on it. The "High" indicates that oestrogen levels are rising and it's the rise in oestrogen that triggers OV. The CBFM has to learn what the threashold for your oestrogen levels are before OV is triggered. Do you have EWCM? That's another way of telling when EWCM is rising so treat that as if the CBFM said "high" if you're doubting the monitor.
are you stopping DTD when you get highs/peaks?
What is bf?Quote:
Originally Posted by rainbowflower
I missed a high one month and went straight from low to peak. I think it is because I od late the month before...not sure!
However, I could read the sticks better than the monitor...lol
The estrogen is still fairly dark......but I have o pains! Maybe it is something else...I am sick!
I do not have EW but it is hard to tell....I have used some rephresh and there is semen as well...sorry if TMI.
I dtd cd 9, 10 and 11. I thought I was ovulating early as my temp shifted but I am sick so I went back to thinking I was going to on cd 14 or so like usual.
Are you dtd now or waiting until peak?
I am trying to figure out what is worse....get more in there to get pregnant...or take a break and wait for peak....but then I will have stuff in there from earlier! I will also be raising my ph right?
I think I screwed this month up again!
Hey ladies - I was out of town for the day and am just catching up now. Sorry your body's giving you such confusing signals, lemon - being sick with a potentially high temperature as a cause of that definitely makes it hard to tell when you ovulated!
I'm CD8 today, though I'm suspecting (and hoping) that I'm actually CD9 since I'm starting to think that full day of red bleeding I had last Friday was actually CD1. Still no spotting at all for the second day in a row (woohoo!), and my OPK is slowly starting to get darker. I'm still praying O comes before next Thursday! So far DH has released 4 days in a row, so 3 more days and we'll have the perfect frequent release attempt I had wanted (but didn't manage) last time I got my BFP. I think if we can do the fr properly, I'm definitely going to leave rephresh out of it since I think the fr alone (+ my other sway factors) will lower his sperm count enough.
Lemon, if you really wanna get preggo, I'd keep DTDing until you're sure you O'ed but use rephresh? rephresh should help with ph change from DTDing.
I think I'm going to stick to 1-2 times right around O and skip the rephresh and use Zyrtec.
Thanks aurora....not sure how much rephresh to use. I don't want to waste a month because I used too much.
How much? Pea size? half an applicator? The whole thing?
DH is also releasing.....he said he has very little to work with....maybe someone can help with this. When DH is releasing everyday does it limit the amount...do you think it might be too much?
I am still sick and also taking cold meds.....is this enough without the rephresh?
I read some blog about stats....frequent bding swayed girl!!!!
At least that favours what I am doing....no one else seems to do it because of ph I assume.
I really thought I would get a positive opk by now....and it is hard to tell by cm bc it is mixed with some represh and I only used a tiny bit!
The kids are at a birthday party...it is so quiet! If only I were not sick!
Will you stop after positive opk?
Or start at postive opk?
That's my plan, too, auroara - I've just had too much trouble getting pregnant with rephresh in the past and I don't want to have to spend months TTC againQuote:
Originally Posted by auroara78
BF = breastfeedingQuote:
Originally Posted by lemon2012
I confess I read the sticks too ;)
we're DTD now - plan to roughly every other day (with a release + discard in between), maybe twice around OV though. DH said he would be capable of DTD daily until OV but that it would get boring, and should we have to TTC for a while I'd rather it was less of a chore for him. ;)
Yes, frequent release reduces the amount of fluid but there's absolutely no way of telling how much or little sperm there is in the semen. The last time my DH released before our attempt there was hardly any fluid at all AND I did a Jump and Dump! IMO, less semen = less high pH = good!Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon2012
Even Dr Shettles believed that frequent BD swayed pink, but for it to be frequent it has to be every day for 7-10 days. What Jen has done is ideal for frequent imo - her DH started releasing on cd1 then they started DTD when AF was over, so sperm count would have been lowered before she even got to her fertile time.
in the compressed frequent release study you found they DID actually test total semen amount, sperm count within it (total quantity), and sperm concentration in the semen, and noted it was a drastic reduction for all of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanacal
Yes I agree that frequent reduces sperm count and that that study confirms that - I'm just saying that how much fluid there is alone isn't an indicator of this and it certainly shouldn't be of concern if there is very little fluid because it doesn't mean there isn't enough sperm to get pregnant!
Thanks Zan...could to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanacal
DH just said there was just a sputter,,,sorry if TMI.
We have dtd cd 9, 10, 11 and 12. I am cd 13 and cbfm is still low!
I want to take a break as I am afraid of raising ph but I do want to get pregnant so I wonder how much will it raise my ph?
Rainbow,...what day do you think you will o? How many bds will you get in?
I read a study yesterday and frequent bd with consecutive days up to o swayed girl! Of course, most attempts were frequent bding.....as people want to get pregnant.
Poor DH had some um, problems with muscle pain down there last night....too many releases maybe!
All for a low on the monitor....ugh!
I read that illness can delay or suppress ovulation. I am worried about the latter problem.....I wanted to get pregnant before 2012!
Is Jen ootb?
DH could not understand why 7 days equals lowering sperm count. Do you know why? I have no idea!
Also, how does compressed fr do the same thing? In the end, I guess you are lowering sperm count due to the pure number of releases. So far we are 5 days of fr and that is not common for dh. One day was 3 times! So, I think it is being lowered...I just need to ovulate!
Oh, just read the last post by rainbowflower....is it wise to fr everyday???
I don't want to lose all the spermies!
Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend!
I would so DTD a lot if my husband could handle it....I'm the one who always haggles my husband about getting some, and he usually says he's "tired" or "isn't interested"....he used to be a lot more into sex, so I'm hoping that because his sex drive has been in the dumps for a while, that will sway pink some, if he just doesn't have the "urge"...hoping that means low testerone.
So if he could have let me and I knew I could rely on him, I'd so do the frequent BDing or method Jen is employing, since our boys were one shot pull out wonders....
But being that he is how he is, I will be lucky to get two attempts within my O window, LOL :rolleyes:
Lemon, what CD are you? and how often have you and you husband being DTDing? or has it been a little DTDing and he's been releasing by himself?
Jen, what dpo are you now? :)
Jamie, have you gotten a pos OPK?
Amari, sorry to hear your trip hasn't been the best :( /hugs hunny
Mocha, all of AF is gone now?
Hi auroara,Quote:
Originally Posted by auroara78
I am cd 13....still no o showing up:(
we dtd cd 9, 10, 11 in am and he released that night, and 12...
Part of it is bc my temps went up and stayed up so we thought I was oing...but no postive opk so probably just bc I was sick.
I think we need a break until I see some sign of oing!
Will you wait for positive opk???
YUP! Soooo excited to have my body back to normal again! Now, I must admit that I DID find a teeny, tiny bit of red streaking in a blob of ewcm (the only bit of ewcm I've seen so far) last night, but it was never enough to make it to the toilet paper or my underpants, so I'm hoping it was just some irritation from my obsessive cervix checking :oops:.Quote:
Originally Posted by auroara78
So...I'm on CD9 or 10 today, depending on what day I consider to be CD1. Today my cm is creamy/sticky, and my cervix isn't feeling very open or soft yet, so I think I'm still a few days away from O. We still haven't dtd, but I did stick some rephresh in a couple of days ago just for the heck of it, and in case we decided to start dtd early before dh had a chance to lower his sperm count. It'll probably be the only rephresh I use this cycle, but I reserve the right to change my mind several more times :bigsmile:. DH has now released 5 nights in a row. I'll have him release again tonight, then I *might* have him release once during the day tomorrow then start dtd for real tomorrow night...or if I can be patient I'll wait one extra day to start dtd so we can get to the magic number of 7 for fr. Once we start dtd, we'll do it daily until my temp rises, indicating O. I'm still PRAYING that happens before we leave for our trip on Thursday.
On the many cycles I've logged on FF over the years, the earliest I've ever gotten O is CD13, which would be Thursday (or Wednesday if I am, in fact, CD10 today), but in both of the last two cycles I conceived, I O'd on CD16, which would bring me to the 24th-25th, which will mean no diet and difficulty dtd since we'll have been at my in-laws for a few days by then. Send me some early O vibes, ladies - I need them!!
really hope you O early!! We're going to Mom's house on Christmas Day but will be here that evening...I plan to frisk my husband on the night of the 23rd and 24th for my O on the 25th! I will be tracking O with OPKs to make sure it's still going to happen as scheduled!
So I might end up DTDing the night before my first pos OPK but that'll be OK.
Almost got all my shopping done, except my hubby wants an expensive NFL jeresy and I"m not really interested in shelling out 80 bucks for it but that's all he wants so ....SIGH! LOL!
My oldest son found some of his stocking stuffers today and cried and cried until I gave it to him :( It was just a dinosaur painting book and spongebob stickers.....at least it wasn't something important and big he found, because if he found one of his big presents I'd make him wait until Christmas anyway!
If I comes on the 22nd, the day we leave for our trip, I'll just leave it at that since we'll have dtd every night for at least 2-3 nights before that. If it doesn't come that day, though, we'll have to keep trying to sneak in attempts. I think our only choice will be the basement laundry room/bathroom that is outside the bedroom we'll be sleeping in with all the kids. Not exactly romantic, but really what about TTC is romantic anyway :wink:
I'm going to do the best I can with the diet while eating MIL's food. I can easily skip breakfast - most days at least (there might be a Christmas brunch I won't be able to avoid). I'll do the best I can at lunch since it's usually a serve yourself kind of deal. I'm packing some microwaveable packets of plain rice I might be able to eat some days if I can get the kitchen to myself long enough to make them without suspicion, but other days I'll have to make do with maybe a piece of regular bread with jam or something like that (they usually have sandwich stuff at lunch). Supper's where it will all fall apart, since I'll have to eat whatever the family meal is. On Christmas Day I intend to eat everything on offer but just keep my portions very low. Hopefully I'll be in the 2WW by then.
So about the positive OPK question I'm actually unsure. I have the little cheapie OPK strips (I get from target) that I use every cycle but this cycle I also decided to get the clear blue ovulation test the one with the smiley face not the fertility monitor. So I took an OPK this morning looked negative but getting darker and then I took one this afternoon (a few minutes ago) it still looked about the same as this morning but the dye looked like it ran a little funny so I dipped the clear blue in there as well, because my plan was to start using the clear blue when the cheap OPKs starting getting a little darker, well the clear blue came up with a smiley face so I guess that means I should be Oing soon but I'm a little confused because usually the cheap ones work great so I can't figure out why they don't look positive at all.
I'd definitely go with what the clearblue ones say, Jamie - my ICs never show a full positive before my clearblue does!
I posted on the TTC board, but thought I's ask here too since this thread gets a lot more traffic. I'm only CD9/10 and got a negative OPK today (a fairly dark line, but far from +), and my cm has JUST started to turn to EWCM as the day wore on. Normally I'd think this just means my body's just starting the process of readying itself for ovulation since that process normally starts for me around CD10...but I've been having strong af-like cramps today and I'm not sure if those could be a sign of imminent O. I normally get sharp cramps on my sides, not a dull ache in my lower abdomen like this. Anyone else have that at O time?
DH has only been doing frequent release for 5 days and I planned to have him do it 2 more days before we start dtd...but should I throw all that out now and dtd anyway just in case O is coming? I don't want to miss my egg, but in the past I've always had about4 days of EWCM before I O....
Thanks so much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mochagirl
I would say go with your instinct if you think you are going to ovulate. I'm not sure what your sway play is (if you are planning to do more than one attempt etc). If it were me I would DTD but maybe have DH release first but then again I'm not one doing a "perfect" sway more just what I called a "sway lite." I also am brand new to TTC so I'm sure some other ladies will have much better insight than I do.
Thanks, Jamie - I think I'm going to hold off for tonight since my OPK was definitely negative today, but I'll reassess tomorrow if it's looking more positive and maybe just have dh release once before we dtd. It wouldn't be the perfect 7 day FR, but it would be pretty close (6 + an extra release before dtd).
Sorry I'm not more help and ask more questions than i answer, you ladies just know so much more than I do.
I'm getting a little overwhelmed because in the past 9 days DH has released 7 times but of course one of the missed days was yesterday(this darn unexpected positive) the other was missed like day 3. And he does not seem to be into DTD at all today not that he won't but I don't know if I will be able to get him to release beforehand so I don't know what to do.
That's tough, Jamie - we've had lots of months like that in the past. My DH doesn't believe in swaying and gets a little bitter when I start making demands like having him release before dtd. If you don't think you can get him to do it, maybe you could use rephresh and antihistamines to try to keep his sperm count down. Would he be more willing to release first if you (ahem) helped him do it? That's the only way I can ever manage to get dh to release.
DH has been pretty great about all the swaying stuff but he just has not been feeling well today. Although he always talks as if it's absolutes like when I say something I'm doing to sway he will say "oh so if you do x we will have a girl?" he looks at it very black and white. He has only released once on his own, I normally "help" him but he did do it on his own today and we will DTD in a couple of hours so I think it has worked out. I still think I will do the benadryl and I used rephresh this afternoon but I really hope all of that is not overkill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mochagirl
It sounds like a good attempt to me, Jamie! You're lucky dh is willing to go along with the swaying stuff - my dh thinks the whole thing is ridiculous and there's no way to get any better chance than 50%. He humours me, though, and only gently teases me when he sees me taking all my supps or eating my special diet.
Thanks! Yeah DH has been really good, I think because he remembers how strong he felt about wanting a boy with our first so he gets it in a way. For my birthday this year he gave me a charm necklace with our kids birthstones and initials on it and there was also a ballerina for the girl he said we will have. Although he does still tease me a little about some of the things I do. Like today when I was taping my OPKs to a paper and writing the cycle day beside them (yes I know I'm a nerd this is one of the first times in my life I haven't been either in school or studying for my CPA exam so I need something to be nerdy about).
I wanted to see what do you all think of this. I got the clear blue digital ovulation tests because in my last couple cycles I've had 3-4 days in a row with dark OPKs that all looked positive so I though a digital tests might eliminate some ambiguity. I decided to test with my cheap strips from the end of AF and start testing with the digital when the lines started getting darker. My strips started getting slightly darker but not enough to be confusing (still looked very negative) but I still decided to use the digital yesterday afternoon and it was positive (didn't use it in the morning). DH and I DTD last night but I really expected the digital and maybe even the strip as well to be positive this morning but neither were.
The reason I can't figure out what is going on and if I did ok with any sort of attempt is because this is not the normal pattern my cycle follow (of course). Even though my cycle is irregular I usually can tell with OPKs when I am about to O as they usually fade in. I was planning to DTD 2DBO, 1DBO, and on O but I'm wondering if O just surprised me this month. I was cramping slightly last night before we DTD but I'm just not sure now.
how strange! it does sound like it could have surprised you then. Lucky you tested when you did!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie86
I had lots of pos OPKs in a row last cycle too and for the last 6 months have had a good fade-in pattern too, but not this cycle so far. Hmm