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It probably just wasn't the month. Unless you did something that drastically cut odds of conception like douching or shallow release, it just didn't happen for some reason. It takes fully fertile couples doing nothing to sway an average of 3-6 months to fall pregnant so it just doesn't work some months.
Nope didnt do anything else.
How do you think i should go about with attempts this month as obviously last month i had multiple bds?
In terms of conception, or a sway?
A sway i guess
If you're trying to sway then I would do the e4d method, unprotected sex every 72 hours (Monday/Thursday/Sunday, etc) and it does not need to be those number of hours, that's just how you count the days. Start this after your period ends, and carry on till you're sure you've ovulated even if that means going straight on thru till your next cycle begins.
If you're aiming at best chance of conception, I would do that pattern and then add in one more attempt at positive OPK (or the day before you expect to ovulate, if you think your cycles are that predictable). This will be somewhat more blue friendly than just e4d alone.
Or, you can even do SMEP - the Sperm Meets Egg plan, but this may be more blue friendly. https://pregnancyloss.info/sperm-meets-egg-plan/
Ok thank you
I just feel like im potentially messing things up again. I think not fallen pregnant last month has thrown me.
So we bd Friday which was cd 11 and last night we both went out a drank alot and ended up bding again we definitely used ky jelly. This morning which is cd 13 i had a negative opk but this evening i had my first pos opk. I really dont know whether to bd again and use to ky jelly to keep sperm low as we bd last night and night before. Im just worried i wont fall pregnant again. Should i have another attempt this evening?
Use this rule of thumb: For best chance of conception, have another attempt. For best odds of pink, stick with the attempts you've had. I can't know what is best, and when I really do not know, I have to throw the decision back to you guys!
We decided to have another attempt last night. I just hope i haven't ruined my sway too much. My dh is keen to fall pregnant asap so i dont have much time to waste. Im gutted as i have been planning so long to do things the correct way but i just feel so much pressure to conceive quickly. I feel like i am never going to conceive a girl.
Sorry for rambling on!
No not at all, it's such a hard situation to be in. Whenever a husband is reluctant to TTC, I think it's best to just do things his way.
Thank you again for your support.
Ok so whats done is done, moving forward should i continue with the e4d. I have currently bd cd 8 cd 11 cd 12 cd 13 i had a pos opk cd 14. Should i have another bd on cd 16 or cd 17 ?
Yes, you should always continue with e4d before and after O in case your ovulation is delayed.
Ok so just trying to work it out is it better to do 72 hrs which would be cd16 or 96hrs cd 17
72 hours is best. That keeps the attempts just far enough apart so you're always in with an attempt.
Ok ill go ahead with that. Ill keep you posted.
Thank you
Good luck!
Sorry! Quick question about the e4d. Our last bd was cd 13 pm and tonorrow will be cd 16. Is it ok to bd in the morning tomorrow or should we wait for the pm so it is a true 72hrs?
The hours don't matter. It's just a way to understand how to count the days. Any time that day is fine.
Hi ya so last saturday i had my period 2 days early again! I just dont know whats going on as last cycle i had a pos pregnancy test followed by a negative the day after and then i had a period 2 days early and then this cycle i had a period 2 days early again. My cycle is always 28/29 days but the last 2 cycles it has been 26.
Any advice on how to conceive thsi month i am now on cd 7
Do you think you're ovulating sooner than you're used to, or do you think your LP is short? (or a little of each?)
I have been using ovulation tests, are they very accurate?
Last cycle i bd cd 8, cd 11, cd 12, cd 13 and cd 16 and got a pos ovulation cd 13
You can have false positives and false negatives on OPK, and even when they work perfectly they're just a ballpark figure. Can you explain when your period came in relation to the positive OPK???
My period came on cd 26 and i had a pos opk on cd 13
Ok so most likely you had a 12 day LP, ovulated CD 14, and everything is as it should be. Just wasn't the month. FX for March!
Hi.
Im really confused as i was tracking my cycle and i had a pos opk on cd 14. On cd 20 i did another opk (just because i was curious) and a dark line came up - not quite pos and every day since then i have tested and rhe line has no faded. Do you know what could cause this?
That is caused by the secondary estrogen surge which happens about 7-10 DPO. That's super common and is not unexpected or weird at all (and in fact is a good sign your body is doing what it should do!)
Ok great so ut doesnt mean i was ovulating again then?
No, it doesn't. Now, it's possible you can have a false positive and then a real positive, but given that your first test was actually positive and at the appropriate time of the month for O, and then this test wasn't positive and was at the time we'd expect to see a secondary estrogen surge, that is what I would consider by far the most likely.
Hi all, i hope you are all doing ok.
Its been a while!
We have been ttc for a while now with out any luck, I actually started to forget about swaying and just concentrate on getting pregnant, but we had no luck.
I finally went to the doctor who gave me a blood test which showed low progesterone so they have re tested me and i am just waiting for the results. They also gave me an ultrasound where they diagnosed me with pcos!!!
I just feel a bit lost now as to what to do as we are trying but nothing seems to be happeneing.
I need more info about this test. When was it done? How did you determine ovulation that month? Many times the supposed "low progesterone" reading is simply a test taken at the wrong time.
I would definitely switch over to the alternate diet but if you're getting your period every month the odds are very good there's some physical thing preventing pregnancy and not your hormone levels. Like, frequency patterns, shallow release, douching/jelly - are you doing anything you can think of that could physically prevent conception? And has your husband had a sperm analysis, and have you had a HSG exam??
Thank you for taking time to reply.
So it was a cd21 fertility test and they told me my level was 24 and it should be 30 to ovulate.
We have tried all different patterns but lately we have been dtd every other day in my fertile window. No shallow release and no douches. Dh has stopped baths too. Whats a HSG exam? Dh hasnt had sperm looked at yet. He still isnt crazy about having dc3 so its quite hard to ask him to do anything like that.
The strange thing is that my cm changes every month during the ovulation period so im surprised that i possibly am not ovulating. The pcos does make sense as i had very painful periods as a teenager
Ok, so did they pinpoint ovulation at all for you or just use a calendar day?? Because "CD 21" tests are very often wrong if you don't ovulate on CD 14! So you very well may have been climbing upwards the day of the test and just hadn't gotten there yet, and for you may have been better to have the test done on a different cycle day. Additionally, that "30" number may not be fully accurate (it's likely anything over 20ish and there's a full explanation in this thread: https://www.myfertilityfocus.com/day...vel-explained/)
Every other day is not an effective way to boost conception. It can very easily end up being only one viable attempt in the fertile window that way - either O-5, O-3, O-1 (both 3 and 5 are too early to be guaranteed attempts - we have seen people go YEARS doing 3 day cutoffs for pink sways and not conceiving!) or O-6, O-4, O-2, and O Day (CD 4 and 6 are too early, and O Day can be too late) Both of these schedules can easily end up being only one viable attempt. I would suggest doing a different schedule where you're having more attempts in the functional fertile window, particularly 1 and 2 days before O. I have a couple ways to be sure you hit these days, let me know if you want to hear them.
An HSG is where they go in and look at your uterus and tubes to be sure they're clear and not blocked. PCOS does not render most people infertile. Blocked tubes absolutely can.
One of the main reasons we find people not conceiving is male factor fertility, but if he's not willing, then that's that. I would be sure he's doing regular release and we could add in a male fertility vitamin if you think he'd take it.
If you're getting your period every month with changes in cervical mucus then you ARE ovulating. (if they say otherwise without doing some very thorough examinations, they are wrong and are simply passing the responsibility of your situation onto you). The vast majority of people with PCO do ovulate and can conceive even with moderate and even fairly severe PCOS. If they're not ovulating, they won't have a period at all for months on end.Quote:
Originally Posted by sassy86
Thank you so much again for takinh the time to respond. I am almost certain that i do ovulate as i get the cm and ovulation pains. I feel like i am hitting a brick wall with them. I would be interested to hear trying another schedule?
I do think you need to have a sperm analysis and HSG just to rule out any other problems BUT what I'd have you do, if possible, is to go from having sex every other day, to every 4 days in the "72 hour" pattern (it does not need to be those number of hours, but this is how you count the days) So Monday/Thursday/Sunday, like that. This seems counterintuitive, how can that be better for conception than every other day, but it's because it still works out to be one attempt in the fertile window (as does the every other day pattern, which I explained above) and so it's no worse than every other day, and also it gives a bit of extra time for sperm numbers to increase. Start this after your period ends and carry on till after you are CERTAIN you've ovulated (not just a positive OPK, you need to be sure you've ovulated) even if that means going all month till your next period begins.
THEN in addition to that (continue the e4d before and after ovulation!) drop in one more attempt at your first positive OPK. That will ensure you're in with two attempts, since one attempt in the fertile window doesn't seem to be cutting the mustard for us. Your husband should be able to keep up with this pattern (every 4 days in the 72 pattern plus one more attempt at positive OPK) whereas many men can't do every other day plus one more attempt. We have very good chances of conception with that pattern.
Now, if you really really don't want to use OPK you can also do the e4d in the 72 pattern and then drop in an attempt when you feel like you're in the fertile period, but try to err on the side of making it not too early and not too late. So don't do it the first day of EWCM, don't wait for CM to turn creamy or anything, just have it at a time when you feel fertile. Carry on with the e4d pattern before and after that.