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Oh boy, stuff is certainly happening in my uterus. I cannot tell if it's gearing either to grow a baby or start AF. I usually don't get low back aches but I have a lot today, cramping too. So if she comes soon she's likely to make life rough! These last few days are hard! Also because I'm home in stead of busy at work. Ugh!
Hoping it is a pink, sticky bean burrowing in there! FX for you!!!Quote:
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Yah!!!! Queen bee x
Great lines! What a nice thing to see this morning. I'm so happy for you QueenB!
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I'm having period like bleeding so I don't know what is going on. I've heard that it is very very uncommon to get AF only 2 weeks after D&C and without ovulating but I could be one of the unlucky ones. Thankfully my tests are almost completely white so I think my body realized pretty quickly that I am not pregnant anymore. I have a Drs. Appt with ultrasound tomorrow and I'm sure I will find out more. I was so hoping to get lucky this cycle though :(
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Sorry to hear that Junie. Best of luck at the Dr's tomorrow. Hope you get the best results possible for the situation
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Yes QueenB congrats, FX for sticky pink for you:ttcgirl:
XX, if your cycles used to be on the shorter side, it makes sense that your body would go back to that. What did your temp do today?
I had my big temp drop this morning, yay!
Junie, I'm so sorry you're bleeding. I hope it's just breakthrough bleeding and that your body Os soon despite it (which CAN totally happen). I'm glad you're going to the dr though. Hopefully the ultrasound shows some almost mature egg(s).
maiden: Nice temp drop- do you think you O'd or are going to soon?
Sunbuny: Thanks so much! Time will tell :)
EmileeJane: I am so sorry that you have not gotten your BFP yet. I think it is just too early and I hope you get one very soon!
Tarasue: Are you going to test early or try to wait as long as possible?
AFM: I just hate not knowing what is going on. Unfortunately I have not become more zen about TTC and am just as obsessed as I always was. I dropped temping for my last BFP after charting for both of my boys but I just ordered a new basal thermometer and I am back on the charting train. OPKs don't work for me since I almost always have positive ones and I just want to know if I am waiting for AF or O or what.
I know everyone says that the first cycle after a M/C is crazy but I'm a boy mom- I can't handle that LOL. Honestly I think I am either gearing up for AF or I'm actually gearing up to O. The timing would fit and I think the bleeding would be heavier if it was really AF. I think this is one of those I just have to be patient things which I can't stand :D
Junie I know exactly how you feel. Post miscarriage was such a confusing and frustrating time for me so I sympathize with you.
Junie- I totally get it! I think you have to do what you believe you have to do. I would temp too in your shoes. Hell, you see I am! It is the only somewhat obsessed thing I am doing though. But like you, I want to know what my body is doing and if improvements are happening. I am hoping beyond hope that you get to try this cycle! Please update us after your appointment! FX and 🙏!!!
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Maiden- Well my temp shot up this morning and usually goes to 98something after I O. But looking at my chart, what should I call O day? Do I need more temps? I felt I may have Oed last night and we BD. I hope we caught the egg! I know you can't go by cramping, but this cramping felt different than a few days ago.
What do you ladies think?
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Thanks XX! I've decided that since I am OK with another boy and I know that I can't help myself from thinking about it. I might as well temp to be a little bit less in the dark :)
My Dr. is great but I'm not sure how helpful the appt will be. I think bottom line is I will know whether there is anything still in my uterus which shouldn't be there and he might give me a tip where I am at in my cycle BUT he doesn't want me already trying (for emotional reasons I think) so I don't know how much he will say.
Do you think you have O'd yet XX?
Just saw your other post XX:D I would say you O'd on the 23rd or 27th. Do you have any CM to go along with the temps? How does your chart compare to previous ones? I think it will become clearer in a few days.
Thanks Junie! I did have a huge run of EWCM on the 22-25th. TMI- On the 25th I had some chunky brown CM in the evening when I went to the bathroom. On my panty liner I noticed a pink spot but not when wiping. It went away and has not returned since. I'm not sure when I Oed either. Maybe I had a fall back rise yesterday and Oed earlier. You're right, time will tell!
I sure hope your Dr gives you information on where you may be at in your cycle. FX for you!
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Junie, I think it's great that you're charting again! I think the fact that you've charted before will make it less of a blue sway factor, bc it's not a new project you're starting, just an old habit you're resuming. And I really hope the bleeding is due to impending O, if you haven't Oed already. OPKs don't work well for me either bc I almost never get true positives. Very frustrating indeed.
I definitely don't think I've Oed but it's coming along on notmal schedule. When my temp drops to its lowest point, usually 97.5, it means I've had a big estrogen surge and should get my LH surge within 2-5 days. So it's even possible I'll O tomorrow, though I doubt it based on my cervix.
XX, I think you probably Oed yesterday, if you have Oed. I don't think you Oed on the 23rd. Your temps are VERY similar to mine, and some months I O on the day my temp rises to 98.2, while other months I O the day before. So I think it's also possible you will O today. But I'm leaning towards yesterday since your positive OPK was a while ago. Your timing is great either way so YAY!
Very annoyingly, I mis-dipped my CBAD tester, and it smeared so I got a false Peak reading & now I can't test for 48 hours! My monitor is still saying Low. But I will try to BD tonight just in case...even though I really don't think I will O tomorrow. But I'd rather have 2 attempts in my fertile period than miss O.
I agree Maiden! I would BD tonight just in case. At this point getting a BFP is important, and you have been strict with the diet and such so I think that would sway more, IMO.
I think I may have Oed yesterday or last night too. I feel we timed BDing well this time so FX! If I don't get a BFP this cycle, we'll do BD every 2-3 day next cycle, and then move to everyday from end of AF through O or 4DPO depending on temps/opks the following cycle. Time to start to pull out all the stops!
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So funny how our cycles are in sync, we're both on cycle 7 TTC, and we have the same plan for the next 2 cycles. :) I will do BD every 3 days next month though...bc March will be the last cycle TTC for a while, so I feel I shouldn't go all out until then. I DO very much agree that so long on the diet, especially considering the IF and recent weight loss, will sway enough to sway pink despite multiple attempts. And women do get girls with multiple attempts. Plus I feel BD every day for 2 weeks will sway a bit pink.
I wouldn't do every other day or more than one attempt per day when fertile, though, as those I fear sway strongly blue.
You really worded it perfectly though...time to pull out all the stops! That's EXACTLY how I feel at this point.
I agree Maiden! That is why I have buckled down with the diet and have started to lose weight. I too feel this will offset the increase with attempts. Today is a fasting day and am enjoying it! I am having an iceberg salad with veggies that I am finding very refreshing! When fasting, I prefer fruits and veggies with a high water content and crunchy, if possible. It satisfies me and is low in cals. I have been doing 200-400 on fasting days, which are twice a week since I am still BFing twice a day still. It hasn't effected my milk supply so that is good!
FX for the rest of us ladies waiting! I hope to see more BFPs!!!
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I've always wondered if IF would affect supply, so thank you for that input! I should add (for anyone reading this interested in IF), that I do NOT recommend serious IF for moms BFing babies under a year, and I don't recommend any type of fasting for pregnant women or moms BFing babies under 6 months.
Those foods sound ideal for fasting days, bc they're high volume and high water, too, so they help promote fullness. Good call! I tend to do low cal packaged soup or larabar type raw fruit&nut bars, or an apple/orange.
We need to get pregnant so we can (hopefully) show that IF sways pink!
Had a dream that I got a BFP last night. I woke up this morning, 13 dpo and took a test and it was a BFN!
I know it may still be possible but it seems unlikely at this point. Every time I am so sad, mad, frustrated. I have to let go of this hope I had for this October baby.
I am impatiently waiting AF so I can start temping. I have been using opks for 8-9 months but will be temping as well for the first time. I have my BB thermometer and some charts. I will also start Femara on CD 5 to help get a good egg hopefully.
Ugh I am down.
I will see you all in the Feb 2ww.
I have been doing IF for a week now and not only has it not lessened my supply, it has me making MORE milk! I think because on my eating days I am taking in 2200 calories which is more than I usually would.
Just what I have noticed! But DD2 is 14.5 months and on solids and cows milk as well.
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Aw EmileeJane, hang in there honey! You are not out till AF shows! With DS2, I didn't get a BFP until I was 18-20DPO! You may have Oed later, which causes AF to show later and a later BFP.
FX for you! Either way, you have a good chance. Femara will help!
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[QUOTE=mommymachine;676642]I have been doing IF for a week now and not only has it not lessened my supply, it has me making MORE milk! I think because on my eating days I am taking in 2200 calories which is more than I usually would.
Just what I have noticed! But DD2 is 14.5 months and on solids and cows milk as well.
DS2 is 19mo and I am surprised mine hasn't dried up! I only IF twice a week and eat 200-400 cals those days. On non-IF days I stick to LE limits and 1400-1600 cals. I nurse twice a day though. He is also eating solids and drinking cow's milk.
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EJ, I'm sorry about the BFN. I agree with XX though, some ladies do get late BFPs (myself included) so there's still hope. What a cruel dream though! :( That would upset me, too. If you're not pregnant, femara will only help both your sway and chances of conception, and temping so you know you've timed BD well will be nice, having that confirmation.
mommymachine, theoretically IF should be able to increase supply bc of how it revs the metabolism. Thank you as well for that input! I'm hoping, if I have a girl first, to be BFing and moderate IFing but while eating a more boy friendly diet (but no snacking & reduced cals), and see if that plus pink friendly BD results in a girl or a boy. I want to know if IF can (over)compensate for a higher fat + protein/nutritious diet including red meat, oats, and fish oil. I'll avoid other vitamins & fortified foods, and exercise if possible. I love using myself as a test subject, hopefully I can intentionally sway for all my kids.
XX- at first I was going to say you o'd on the 23. But then I remembered you had a *opk on the 25th, so maybe you did just o??
Maiden- yes! Bd tonight!
Junie- I think you should temp. I actually think it would calm you. I am glad you are getting an ultrasound tomorrow. Will they check your hcg also?
EmileeJame- don't lose hope! FX
Blueeyedguys- welcome and good luck! All my guys are blue eyed also;)
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Queen come join me in the sept/oct due date thread...it is so empty in there!
Emilee- I'm so sorry you got a BFN today, I hope it is too early. If you do end up having to join me in next month's thread your plan sounds great!!
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Congrats QueenB!!
Girls doing IF, please be careful. There are some interesting studies showing that IF may be more beneficial to men than women, especially when it comes to fertility. Female rats had decreased fertility, decreased size in ovaries, and increased masculinization when fasting. All things you definitely don't want when trying to get pregnant. I definitely wouldn't want IF to make it even harder for you to get pregnant as swaying girl and the LE diet already does that!
I thought of you all when I came across this today:
Paleo for Women | Shattering the Myth of Fasting for Women: A Review of Female-Specific Responses to Fasting in the Literature
Thank you all for being here for me.
Just looking at some of your charts and Google-ing ovulation/cm makes me think I probably O'd on Saturday instead of Thursday or Friday. I'm interested on what my chart will look like temping for a month. If nothing else I suppose it will keep me busy!
Thanks for your support. Chat with you all soon.
Good luck for catching the egg! I'm excited to hear some more BFPs!
Emilee- Charting can be SO helpful. I use the website Fertilityfriend and love it. They make it super easy to interperet your charts- they also make it easy to obsess though as they can track symptoms and compare to all the other women on the site. But you don't have to use it to it's full potential :D If you O'd on Sat then it could also still be too early for your BFP! :)
AFM- I had a super Dr's. appt this morning! Everything looks great- nothing remained, and he gave me the go ahead to start trying as soon as I want (I was shocked as he can be a bit conservative!) He said AF generally comes around the 4 week mark +/- 1 week. He didn't give me any hints as to where I am in my cycle but that would mean I should be Oing anytime in the next week. I'm so excited to be TTC again! He also said the spotting was totally normal.
Maiden - The m/c was after 2 months of trying and dd was a calculated experiment 2 months later before we officially started trying again. I was still on the Lyme treatments and thought I couldn't get preg, but I knew if it happened I'd be done by the time I got a bfp. So yeah, 7 cycles so far this time, and within that amount of time before, I was pregnant twice.
XX - Glad the acupuncture is resetting your cycle! Every day is one day closer to your Goldie!
Junie - Hooray!!! Happy bding!
Emilee - *hugs* I hope you like temping. I enjoy it! I do worry when dd wakes me up during the night, but I've found it doesn't affect me much.
essnce - Your chart is awesome! Please poas!
(Comment from Naomi Most) -This sums up some of the issues with the rodent study. Also, the rats were eating bad quality food AND were calorie restricted, neither of which I do or recommend when TTC.Quote:
I’d be extremely skeptical of using rat studies to draw conclusions about humans when it comes to fertility.
The human and rat reproductive strategies are completely different. Humans have 1 or 2 babies per year. Rats gestate in 3-4 weeks, have up to a dozen babies in expectation that half of them will die, and are ready to be impregnated within 72 hours of delivery.
OBVIOUSLY female rats would get a little freaked out if there weren’t food around for a few hours… because their lives run at 1/16 of human scale. If you were a rat and you didn’t have food available, and were faced with the prospect of generating 10 ratlings in 3 weeks, I’m sure you’d shut that whole thing down until you found food, too. And I’m sure it would stress you out.
Humans, on the other hand, have a reproductive system that’s extremely tolerant of the metabolic up/down regulations that happen in the face of more/less macronutrients.
It HAS to work that way. Otherwise we’d miscarry whenever the hunt didn’t go so well, and that would be a ridiculous and needless expense of energy.
I’m not trying to discount anecdotal reports of IF not going so well for women. I have no doubts that IF is not for everyone.
But let’s at least start looking at the actual reasons why, and not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
For instance, most women try to do a low-fat / high-protein / moderate carb version of IF for whatever reason. And that is disastrous for hormones for women, absolutely.
Signed,
a woman who has been very successfully IFing for over a year on a high-fat / moderate protein / carbs-only-after-training diet, and got pregnant the first time she didn’t use protection.
As for women doing Paleo + IF reporting bad results...that may be the case. What you eat when IFing, especially if you are also restricting, calories, makes a huge difference. I have never eaten a Paleo diet as I personally do well eating grains and carbs, so I can't commenf on that. Other than to say that I have never lost O when doing IF.
I DO agree that IF doesn't always work well for everyone or every diet. And how extreme you can/should do it varies greatly.
I agree Maiden! Fasting is not for everyone and people need to make the best decisions for themselves.
AFM- I cannot go below 120lbs without drastic measures. Once my body starts losing, I can dial things back but this is a huge weight set point for me. Also there is no way I could fast more than two days BFing DS2 twice a day. I would lose ovulation if I did. Once I get to my goal weight, 115lbs, I can easily maintain my weight without having to fast. We are approaching Lent though (I'm catholic), and I'll have to fast once a week anyway. I fast traditionally, not the Vatican II way that allows you to have two small meals and one full meal a day with no meat at all on Fridays. So me adding one more day is no big deal, although Lent won't start until February!
I appreciate the concern, and I am glad you ladies care about us! I love the community here and feel so supported. What we are doing and going through- we often can't talk about it with anyone else. So thank you Essnce! It is nice to have someone nudge us to reflect on things 😘!
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I am familiar with that post, and there are several reasons I disagree with most of her conclusions. I won't get into them all myself since that would definitely not be good for my sway, but I will say that even if IF is as bad for women as Stefani claims, it would still be a strong pink sway factor! I do agree women TTC should be careful with IF and listen to their bodies above all. Also, when IFing, it really matters what food you eat. Paleo is very different from the LE. I am not a fan of Paleo personally so I can't comment on the anecdotal response of women who eat Paleo snd IF, bc I have always eaten lots of carbs including grains.Quote:
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Here is a great rebuttal from a more thorough scientific mind, IMO: Intermittent fasting for women
Wow!! I was off the site for one day and there was so much catch up to read!
Junie: I'm so glad your dr appt went well and you got the go ahead!!! I am 5-6 dpo and am hoping to wait until Monday morning to test. I will only be 10 dpo but I am a poas addict so it will be a miracle if I can wait until then!
Is there anyone else about 5-6 dpo right now?
The IF diet is so tempting to me but for my own mental well being I'm not jumping on that ship. It's interesting that your milk production is increasing mommy machine and xx. I had such a hard time producing enough milk as it was. I think when I was b-fing I was working out too much and not getting enough calories or water:/
Sorry Emileejane. Bfn are bad enough as it is without having a dream that gets your hopes up...
Oops, I didn't mean to post twice! I kept getting weird error messages I've never seen before so I thought my posts didn't go through! Anyone else ever see Sucuri Cloud error pages?
Junie, I am so happy all is well and you go the official go ahead! Maybe we'll O together. :)
XX, I also fast religiously for Yom Kippur (I'm Jewish). Many religions include fasting, and I do find the mental clarity from fasting to be spiritually useful.
sage, so you conceived both times before while sick with Lyme's? Or was your loss before you had Lyme's? I had LD 2 summers ago and it was brutal. :( I definitely get why you're concerned now about conceiving. I feel similarly since I always conceived quickly before, but I've been chalking it up to Vitex and one attempt. What supps do you take?
tarasue, you definitely don't need to IF to get a girl so just ignore us! It can take a lot of mental willpower to maintain healthy habits after ED so you should be proud of yourself for not slipping back. I do know lack of food/water has a huge effect on milk supply so that could be to blame. Then again, some women just have naturally lower supply no matter what they do, and you could be in that category. I have so much trouble drinking enough fluid for just me that I'm afraid I won't be able to drink enough for a good milk supply.
Junie- so glad to hear your appt went well and you got the green light to try! What a relief! Good luck!
Still waiting here! I'm researching temp charts now and will check in when I start and if I need help from you gals!
Okay well AF just showed up! Being this early in the am I would assume this is CD 1 although so far just spotting. Also i clearly didn't temp this morning.
So tomorrow I would temp and write it under day 2 on chart?
See you all in Feb 2ww!