March 2018 TTC & 2ww thread

Big hugs emshe don't give up! I know just how disheartening it is especially the first few af days but then you get another burst of hope and excitement leading up to o and all the hope and stress of the 2ww so its a constant rollercoaster of emotions and that's just exhausting. But we are here to cheer you on and I'm very hopeful for next cycle! Will you be doing e4d (72 hour version) from af onwards next cycle? I really think it would be wise given the uncertainty of o day this cycle gone.... You'll end up with a viable attempt for sure doing it that way.

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Yes I have a fast surge most cycles- I think it depends on when my FMU catches it. Thank you for that Pbn3! We tried e4d 72 hours last cycle and nada, this cycle he's gone, but we were going to do e4d again next cycle too with an attempt at posOPK which, clearly, will be difficult if it's a matter of 12 hours.

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Sounds good but again I'd consider testing both afternoon and evening from cd10 onwards as you seem to o on the earlier side [emoji4]

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Mummy - whoa def see the lines!! Hoping they get darker the next few days!!

Sorry emshe :( Was this your first month on Clomid? FWIW I've done 3 cycles of Clomid and it wasn't until the 3rd cycle that I could really see the changes in my cycle and progesterone levels. I've gotten pregnant 2 of my 3 Clomid cycles so I don't know really how it would have affected my LP if I hadn't gotten pregnant those two months, but I DO think it has made a big difference in my progesterone levels. My doc and the RE that I saw the other day see that as well. Obviously I'm still losing the pregnancies so something else is going on but I feel like the Clomid is really helping. So if it was your first cycle, maybe you'll respond better next cycle?

Star hope your HSG went well!

Good luck Noemi!!

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Thanks pbn

10 days. That’s why I felt ok giving Clomid a go as I hoped it may lengthen it, & the thinning the lining might be good as it always seemed in the thicker side in my HT scans.

What a bummer, think I’ll give next month a shot then time to move on in life.


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I am sorry emshe. Hugs.

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Oh my goodness so much is happening with you all!!

Praying your lines continue to get darker mommy2boys!! I think it's a good sign getting positives on all those different tests. Don't give up hope just yet. Every pregnancy is different! <3

Emshe, hmmm... I wonder if that's implantation spotting-- how are your temps? Saying a prayer for you!

Gafan, eeekk! I hope this is your lucky month!! Timing seemed to be perfect. I know we talked about temping before, have you had any chance to do it this cycle to confirm O? Praying for you!!

Girldreaming, I wonder what's going on with all the spotting... you said it's brownish too? I think brown is associated with progesterone being out of whack. Hoping you get some answers soon!

Today is the day for my HSG. Eeekkk! I'll be heading to the city in about 3 and a half hours. I have bloodwork first and then the procedure an hour and a half later. Going to make a long afternoon. I hope it's not as bad as I have heard but also praying there's no blockage! I've been getting some of my results in from my bloodwork the last few days and results from my ultrasound. I'll try to post a collage of my results bc I have about 20 different screenshots. I don't have my followup appt to talk about next steps until May 2nd.

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I hope your appointment went well, star! No temping this time, as that would be my descent into swaycession and likely sway blue for me. I will just have to wait and see what happens.

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Good luck Gafan!!

Thanks ladies.

I don't want to give up but at some point I have to. A whole lot of living has been missed since my first loss in September 2015 (a sway through a naturopath) then a solid year of planning our first American HT cycle in December 2016 (agreed to be a one and only cycle) then a second mid 2017 with a transfer that didnt take, then a return trip 3 months later for a final transfer, our successful transfer followed by the loss of our girl mid November. Its been so long & so much dedication, lost times with my boys, and emotional heartache that has seen me develop anxiety and at times depression. Over 2 1/2 years, YIKES!

Sorry Im venting, sometimes it helps to see it written out that I really have tried my best and maybe next cycle will be it, I hope it is, I really do, as we all do every month but I am thinking that somewhere somehow I have to say, Ive tried my best but this is whats meant to be.

Thanks ABC, yes it was my first cycle of clomid, and I was ovulating without it, so I chose to do it. Maybe I shouldn't have?

Im nervous to use it again, I want next month to be the best shot Ive got!!! Maybe Ill respond better, can only hope right!?

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Sounds good but again I'd consider testing both afternoon and evening from cd10 onwards as you seem to o on the earlier side [emoji4]

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Thanks I ordered some!

Emshe what an exhausting journey you've had and wow you have every right to feel over it. I can totally relate to lost time with the boys. I felt the exact same way. I felt such relief when I truly had had enough and stopped ttc (even though I fell pregnant miracously that first cycle after) I felt a huge weight came off me and I was happier then I'd been in a loooong time. I was finally at peace with my family staying as was and like you, felt I'd given it my very best shot and was ready to move on. So if after next cycle you feel the same peace at stopping I will support your decision 100% [emoji173] In saying that I truly do hope you get your long awaited and much deserved bfp. And yes I would definately take the clomid as its such a strong swaying tactic! I ovulated without clomid too but has poor ovarian reserve and took it at my obs advice. Will you consider SMEP for this possible last cycle? Do it to the 'T'?

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Hey ladies! I'm so sorry af arrived! Don't give up though, I'm sure it'll happen.

My HSG went great! I hardly had any pain and just some light cramping and light spotting. Doc said tubes are clear! Next step is the SHG which is where they put saline in your uterus to check for fibroids and pollops--- that's next Thursday.

I got another test result back tonight and it's my first "abnormal" result. My testosterone is sky high like I think it was close to the 60's which is high for a woman. Hmmmm... [emoji848]

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Star that's fantastic the hsg went well and tubes are clear [emoji3] Regarding the testosterone result, did your doc say whether it was cause for concern and/or whether it could be causing fertility/cycle issues?

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

Oh wow, emshe. I had no idea you had been through so much!! I'm so sorry :( I hope like Pbn said you finally get your BFP this cycle and I can understand that you feel like you have to be thinking ahead about when it's time to say enough. The emotional burden we carry in this whole process of swaying, hoping, TTC-ing, BFNs, loss, etc. is so intense and draining, and yet it's so hard to let go when we want another baby so much. You can always vent here! Heck, I've certainly done enough of it LOL! I tried to stay away from this site initially after this last loss, but I feel so much support & love from all of you (more than I'm getting from various family members right now!) and it's helping me more to stay connected! I also ovulate without Clomid and have a good ovarian reserve and yet my doc still thought I could benefit from it due to short LP/ low-normal progesterone. He says even if you ovulate regularly, Clomid can help produce a "better" ovulation which ups the chances of conception. So I agree with Pbn about continuing to take it! Hopefully having it in your system now will help you respond better this cycle!!

Star that's great! I think the SHG is what I'm supposed to have done in a few weeks from now so please let me know how it goes for you!!

Thanks so much for your understanding, you really do help. I wish none of us had experienced what we have. But this sure is a lovely place to get help, in every way. THANKYOU to each of you, I know I appreciate it always.

I’m nervous. I have to EAT to get my weight under control & that’s going to alter my sway. I know I have so many elements going for me with the Clomid, metformin, exercise, coffee, alcohol (although I haven’t done alcohol in tww & I haven’t exercised in 3 days...) & hubby doing ole, & the timing things we do but it just feels like I will undermine it somehow. But then I have probably already diminished my chances of falling by depleting myself so much. I think so much my head should explode!

I eat so much, but because I have been sugar free & pretty much grain free for years I don’t think I’ve hit high enough calories, despite having a serve of rice potatoes & cruskits every day with each meal. My veggie intake is big of all the free stuff. I’ve done the serve of yoghurt & chicken daily, and had eggs, salmon, the wholeWay through. Upped fats but The weight just hasn’t stopped coming off. Has anyone else struggled with this?

Any tips and suggestions.

I have eaten pretty bad today. I actually had a cream bun, (haven’t had one of those since I was a kid- Outrageously good OMG), corn chips, a biscuit & ill have some chips/crisps later) I know I need to do it but I don’t want to sway too far the other way. I guess that’s why I’m thinking unhealthy food as they’re less nutritious but will make me put weight back on!? Agh, so lost right now with what to do.

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Hey ladies! I'm so sorry af arrived! Don't give up though, I'm sure it'll happen.

My HSG went great! I hardly had any pain and just some light cramping and light spotting. Doc said tubes are clear! Next step is the SHG which is where they put saline in your uterus to check for fibroids and pollops--- that's next Thursday.

I got another test result back tonight and it's my first "abnormal" result. My testosterone is sky high like I think it was close to the 60's which is high for a woman. Hmmmm... [emoji848]

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Glad it went well & wasn’t too bad for you Star, hope someone can help with advice on the testosterone?


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Girldreaming, you would think you'd be able to get some sort of tests in the unit where you work! What a shame. I know exactly what you mean about the worry every time you go to the toilet. Have you thought about getting an early scan in a couple of weeks? I was going to do that last time, I found one on groupon for £23!
Kikurose, did you maybe ovulate on cd 11?
Thanks girlsway, how are you doing? When did you get your bfp and can you remember how dark it was? I'm just worried as last time it was much darker and ended in a mc anyway. Glad you are still popping into this board [emoji3]


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Mine was sooo light on IC for literally a week! Did darken slightly on frer!

Well looks like it was a chemical. I'm so confused! This morning my frer is almost stark white, just the tiniest hint of a line. But weirdly my cheapie is darker. I'm trusting the frer though. So sad [emoji17]


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Oh mummy this is shit!!!! How effing confusing is that??!! All I can say is hang in there still, different tests have different sensitivities so who's to know which is right [emoji17] I agree with not getting your hopes up simply because in my experience I wouldn't be, BUT that's not to say that maybe things are just fine. You clearly have a fertilised egg that has implanted, whether the body is rejecting it or not cannot be determined by hpts as there simply is too much allowance for variance, especially at this early stage. I find it completely and utterly ridiculous you cannot access bw requests for betas [emoji34] especially with your history!!!! Surely there is grounds for it!!?? Why wont they just bloody well organise them on request?!!!

DS 2012 [emoji170] DS 2014 [emoji170]
After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

I'm so mad right now!!!!

DS 2012 [emoji170] DS 2014 [emoji170]
After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

Going to google home kits for hcg quant testing [emoji135]

DS 2012 [emoji170] DS 2014 [emoji170]
After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

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Well looks like it was a chemical. I'm so confused! This morning my frer is almost stark white, just the tiniest hint of a line. But weirdly my cheapie is darker. I'm trusting the frer though. So sad [emoji17]


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Oh mummy I wish this were easier, hoping that this all becomes clear soon.


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Haha pbn I love how mad you are for me!! I know it's ridiculous over here. They won't do anything at all until 6 weeks, even with the last mc which was possibly ectopic. I've just done another cheapie and it's super faint now so I'm sure this is not working out. So what on earth is wrong?! I can clearly get pregnant. It it just won't stick. Maybe it's old eggs [emoji17]


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Please don't think that!!! That's EXACTLY what I thought (too old - and had the bw results to prove it) but still soldiered on. I didn't get my rainbow while ttc but I do have to say although I'd given up who's to say she simply wasn't meant to be whether I'd tried or not? Or maybe *something* compelled me to ask for a massage to alleviate sore neck, shoulder and back muscle pain which I never do, which ultimately led to us bding out of the blue which I know for a fact would never have happened if the massage hadn't started things going..... My thinking is, you can get pregnant, but now it's a matter of the right sperm reachimg the right egg (mens sperm does degenerate too) so you either keep trying and maybe only start hpt testing after af is due or if its become to much consider NTNP?

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

Mummy ugh I'm sorry it's not clear what's going on right now :( It's just so frustrating. I feel the same way you do - why do I get pregnant so easily when they wont stick? I really wish your doctors would be more willing to check things out/run tests. Not that the tests will always identify or solve anything but it's still good to have them I think.

Emshe - I think you're right that if you have to add in more calories and such to slow the weight loss doing so from unhealthy foods, sugar, sweets, etc would I think be best for your sway rather than super healthy, high calorie, high nutrient foods. Do you have PCOS? I'm supposed to be doing the PCOS LE (bc of possible IR) and I know atomic told me a few months ago that if my weight was starting to get too low I should add in some sugar just to keep the weight on. I've also seen from her that if you're on metformin that allows you to be a little more lax on your diet - as the metformin can counteract the effects of the sugar.

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Going to google home kits for hcg quant testing [emoji135]

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

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Ok you're teasing right - these don't exist?!! Because that would be AMAZING if they did!! :)

Thanks pbn and abc. It's so good to hear your story pbn, and I love that it happened that way! Fate working at its best. And you have your perfect little girl now [emoji177] DH said earlier maybe it's happening for a reason but I don't want to think like that. It was so hard for me to convince him to try again that I wasn't even going to tell him what's happened but I had a bit of a melt down in the supermarket so had to tell him. It feels worse this time even though it's only very early, I guess it feels like it might never happen.
Abc, yes it's so frustrating!! I'm going to go to the gp next week and ask for tests. Now it's happened again they may do some tests. Everything takes a long time here though.


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Glad it went well star! Did they say what high causes high testosterone?
Emshe, sorry you have been through all that. I know exactly what you mean about missing time with your boys, I am feeling that at the moment. Maybe not trying for a while and just seeing what happens might help. That might be what I do too


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Mummy I'm so sorry it's not clear right now! Hopefully the gp might take some bloods? I know how difficult it is in UK though! X

Thanks girl dreaming. I'm pretty sure it's a chemical, I'm not getting anything on tests now. Just want to start bleeding so I'm out of limbo again.
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Thanks girl dreaming. I'm pretty sure it's a chemical, I'm not getting anything on tests now. Just want to start bleeding so I'm out of limbo again.
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Mummy very sorry to hear so:sadflwr:

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Mummy ugh I'm sorry it's not clear what's going on right now :( It's just so frustrating. I feel the same way you do - why do I get pregnant so easily when they wont stick? I really wish your doctors would be more willing to check things out/run tests. Not that the tests will always identify or solve anything but it's still good to have them I think.

Emshe - I think you're right that if you have to add in more calories and such to slow the weight loss doing so from unhealthy foods, sugar, sweets, etc would I think be best for your sway rather than super healthy, high calorie, high nutrient foods. Do you have PCOS? I'm supposed to be doing the PCOS LE (bc of possible IR) and I know atomic told me a few months ago that if my weight was starting to get too low I should add in some sugar just to keep the weight on. I've also seen from her that if you're on metformin that allows you to be a little more lax on your diet - as the metformin can counteract the effects of the sugar.

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ABC thanks for this! I don’t have PCOS that I’m aware of. I was put on metformin the second cycle of HT as They see improved egg quality in lots of people when they use it. I had insulin resistances the past pre children but with change in diet I managed to get rid of it. All glucose tests last year were normal. But I’ve just kept taking it to help egg quality plus I read on here it helps sway pink. I’ve been sugar free for years, and I was pretty much grain free, so this diet has been a big change & my mindset has still seen me stay away from the sugar as i know how it used to make me foggy etc but if it’s a quick fix I’ll do it! What did you eat specifically that helped you gain weight?


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Emshe, well I haven't really gained weight... Sort of stopped losing it for the moment but as I start back on LE I'm sure I'm going to lose more again. My BMI is at about 20.5 right now though (was about 27 when I started this a year ago) so I'm going to have to be careful about that too. I'm trying to eat about 1700 calories per day right now which is higher than I was eating before each of my BFPs, and I haven't really started back with the exercise yet. I didn't know metformin helps egg quality! I wonder if I should ask my RE about that. Anyways... I think I saw that you had asked atomic about this? It seems tricky to me since you had IR issues in the past, and as you've been sugar and grain free, it would seem like you'd want to be careful about suddenly adding a bunch of sugar in since it seems like that would be a pretty big shock to your system. But you need to stop losing weight it sounds like. Are you eating at the top of the calorie/fat/protein ranges? (like 1,800 calories, 50-60 fat, 50-60 protein). Maybe adding in a few small sweets, chocolates, etc. a day to give you that bit of extra sugar?

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Emshe, well I haven't really gained weight... Sort of stopped losing it for the moment but as I start back on LE I'm sure I'm going to lose more again. My BMI is at about 20.5 right now though (was about 27 when I started this a year ago) so I'm going to have to be careful about that too. I'm trying to eat about 1700 calories per day right now which is higher than I was eating before each of my BFPs, and I haven't really started back with the exercise yet. I didn't know metformin helps egg quality! I wonder if I should ask my RE about that. Anyways... I think I saw that you had asked atomic about this? It seems tricky to me since you had IR issues in the past, and as you've been sugar and grain free, it would seem like you'd want to be careful about suddenly adding a bunch of sugar in since it seems like that would be a pretty big shock to your system. But you need to stop losing weight it sounds like. Are you eating at the top of the calorie/fat/protein ranges? (like 1,800 calories, 50-60 fat, 50-60 protein). Maybe adding in a few small sweets, chocolates, etc. a day to give you that bit of extra sugar?

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It’s so confusing what to do isn’t it. Ask them about metformin, it’s pretty common for HRC to use. Particularly for PCOS & IR. It can cause tummy upsets at the beginning but if your limiting sugars and empty carbs I found I had no adverse reaction.

I’m on the fertility diet. I do all the limits for protein and fat easily but I can never get the calories up much higher than 1300 with what I eat, I think it’s because I am so particular with regard to sugar & carb stuff. I don’t include any of the veggies I eat in the count and I eat stacks. I have to use a serving salad bowl for lunch as it’s so big and dinner feels like a mountain. Maybe I should try switching to brown rice & sweet potato? I have been having beans as a source of protein which I think maybe I don’t tolerate well (causes me to go to the toilet sorry tmi) so I’ll switch back to 100g of chicken twice a day, or an egg & chicken, and salmon once a week. Or any other protein suggestions within girl sway?

Yes I asked atomic and she said eat whatever! That scares me. I know I overthink everything. Wish I could flick that off switch.

So yeah I’m worried about shocking my body with this stuff. But I have to try my BMI has dropped to 18.3 from 22, which it was in December. weighed myself this morning and I’m almost a kilogram heavier today but that could be AF related. I also ate a lot yesterday and haven’t exercised for 4 days as the weather has been awful & ive felt very weak. I think I need to let go with the diet more.

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Emshe - it sounds like you're doing a perfect PCOS LE diet (ie fertility diet). And that's probably why it's so hard to keep weight on since I know that atomic says people lose weight a lot faster on PCOS LE versus the regular LE (probably as it is so healthy, and the regular LE version is full of sugar!). I really think sugar - not fat - is the biggest enemy in terms of people gaining/being unable to lose weight. I think when people cut out sugar, or even cut back a lot on it, it really changes things in the body and makes you lose weight a lot faster. Seems to have been my experience so far too. Do you ever eat Kind bars? I don't know if you have them where you are - in fact I don't even know where you are - are you in the US? UK? Anyways, I've been eating those lately. They have these "breakfast" ones that have 8 grams of protein in one serving. They aren't completely whole grain but they have nuts, oats, etc. in them. Or maybe there is another type of protein bar that you might try? Those almost always have some sugar in them so that'd give you a little bit of sugar, but it would be balanced a bit with the protein. I agree that potatoes - sweet or regular - would be a good option too as they are pretty "carby", which could help you keep weight on, but I think a lot of people on the PCOS diet eat them. Do you eat dairy? Greek yogurt also has a great amount of protein in it. I'm getting more into lentils and quinoa lately too!

I wish I was as good as you about eating vegetables - I'm just not a big fan!! Although I have started eating more roasted veggies and I do like them that way!

I felt that way - run down, weak, awful - before my last BFP. It's tough. I think the overall lower nutrient diet combined w/ such frequent exercise just really does weaken you after awhile. I barely exercised in the tww before my BFP because I was just so dang tired!

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Emshe - it sounds like you're doing a perfect PCOS LE diet (ie fertility diet). And that's probably why it's so hard to keep weight on since I know that atomic says people lose weight a lot faster on PCOS LE versus the regular LE (probably as it is so healthy, and the regular LE version is full of sugar!). I really think sugar - not fat - is the biggest enemy in terms of people gaining/being unable to lose weight. I think when people cut out sugar, or even cut back a lot on it, it really changes things in the body and makes you lose weight a lot faster. Seems to have been my experience so far too. Do you ever eat Kind bars? I don't know if you have them where you are - in fact I don't even know where you are - are you in the US? UK? Anyways, I've been eating those lately. They have these "breakfast" ones that have 8 grams of protein in one serving. They aren't completely whole grain but they have nuts, oats, etc. in them. Or maybe there is another type of protein bar that you might try? Those almost always have some sugar in them so that'd give you a little bit of sugar, but it would be balanced a bit with the protein. I agree that potatoes - sweet or regular - would be a good option too as they are pretty "carby", which could help you keep weight on, but I think a lot of people on the PCOS diet eat them. Do you eat dairy? Greek yogurt also has a great amount of protein in it. I'm getting more into lentils and quinoa lately too!

I wish I was as good as you about eating vegetables - I'm just not a big fan!! Although I have started eating more roasted veggies and I do like them that way!

I felt that way - run down, weak, awful - before my last BFP. It's tough. I think the overall lower nutrient diet combined w/ such frequent exercise just really does weaken you after awhile. I barely exercised in the tww before my BFP because I was just so dang tired!

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Ill have a look at the bars, I am in AUS. Ive seen the bars with the bear on them here which I noticed in the US. Cant think what they're called. Yeah I have eaten full fat greek style yoghurt everyday pretty much for years and couldnt give that up, i love dipping my apple in it or having it with strawberries and almonds, or on a butter roasted banana. I am very fortunate I love my veges. Roast veg is delicious. I made soup the other day to which was a nice change and there was so much when blitzed down I could barely get through it. I might pop in quinoa, I used that alot before diet as I love it, but thought maybe it was too nutritious?

Sugar maybe my friend right now by the seems, Ill see how I go, its only short term and my body may appreciate it for now. Ill only be having it with meals so there will be the protein there to help balance it out. The app I used to track with showed me hitting 45grams with just the proteins and fruits I was punching in, I don't know what the norm is? Ill try some lollies, as Ive got to try to stick to the fat limit which I already hit.

So sorry mummy. Keeping you and abc in my prayers. Something told me to check in here for a moment.

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Thanks girl dreaming. I'm pretty sure it's a chemical, I'm not getting anything on tests now. Just want to start bleeding so I'm out of limbo again.
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Sorry, mummy2boys. Limbo is so hard.

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