Interesting result after looking at due dates data

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Originally Posted by nuthinbutpink

There are lots of factors to consider besides supplements though when looking at results.

People's age, number of children, weight, lifestyle. They all make up a sway. I don't agree that 50/50 is random either. If it was, a lot of us wouldn't have to be here. We have many people that have had several of the same gender that finally get an opposite.

Our number of away plans is in the few 100s
though so 11 isn't going to mean much as far as stats go from a big picture standpoint.

50/50 doesn't mean swaying doesn't work. Nobody on this forum fits the 50/50 "what you would expect odds." That's the only point I'm trying to make.

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No totally agree, I was doing a tally specifically in regards to supps for my own personal interest as I'm trying to decide which ones to take. I couldn't see any correlation to success for any particular one. It was only when I got to the end I wondered about the total overall success rate (not taking any particular aspect into account) and did a quick tally. It has bummed me out to see that result if I'm honest, as I don't see how its different to any normal birth board split between genders.

I do ask people to post their sways but some people don't. That is out of my control. I have also done everything in my power to create a welcoming atmosphere where people feel safe posting failed sways. As a result I include sways where people didn't exactly do things the way I would personally have had them. I really feel like I try to always err on the side of fairness and accuracy, and at the same time I feel like we don't always get the benefit of the doubt where the numbers are concerned and hey, maybe that's just part of the gig. We get compared to sites that are skewing their data deceptively at worst and manipulating it at best.

It's fine to question and be a naysayer. I'm just not quite sure I see the fairness in singling out two groups of swayers who posted in the Due Date groups, rather than looking at the numbers as a whole (and that includes blue swayers) Especially if the seasons are swaying as may possibly be the case, people due at certain times of year may be more likely to conceive a certain gender.

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...body-know.html Re 50-50 odds, as you can see in this thread, for those of us with several boys our odds aren't 50-50 anyway so even 50-50 is a successful sway (our numbers ARE significantly better than 50-50 anyway)

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Originally Posted by Serendipity

No totally agree, I was doing a tally specifically in regards to supps for my own personal interest as I'm trying to decide which ones to take. I couldn't see any correlation to success for any particular one. It was only when I got to the end I wondered about the total overall success rate (not taking any particular aspect into account) and did a quick tally. It has bummed me out to see that result if I'm honest, as I don't see how its different to any normal birth board split between genders.

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I don't think the supps for ladies are that great. I got a boy taking vitex and a girl taking vitex. I do think it sways pink to some extent or I wouldn't include it. The numbers on the diet, exercise, Clomid, licorice root, one attempt, fiber ARE great and I just don't want people to be put off swaying after reading one post that I don't feel is an accurate representation of the facts.

Agreed, you can't draw any conclusions at all from a sample of 40 odd people, I wouldn't be convinced unless there was a controlled sample of a few thousand. But I don't see that happening any time soon. If I can see any proof that swaying can affect resultant gender that's not based on conjecture I'll be a happy swayer. I am watching the spreadsheet with interest as I pray it shows we can have some aspect of control over these difficult feelings. I'm very grateful to everyone involved. I was just really surprised by how even the split was on the other data available to me and wanted to share it with others in the same boat as me, I don't mean to try and p*$$ in anyone's cornflakes. I'll shut up now I've made myself unpopular by totalling up the public sways :)

Well, if you no longer believe in swaying, I guess it makes it a lot easier to just go for it and accept what's given to you.

I don't think the results are random at all. I think we can influence things and it's certainly not close to 100% but I think it's easy to say it doesn't work and not try so you can't fail.

I'm not upset at all by you posting the public sways. I don't feel bad at all about the 50% stat you quoted because like I've said, of you look at where most people are coming in with, like you, you're at zero percent do far. I'll take 50.

We're trying. We can't do everything and we can't keep up with everyone that posts about their sway. I love the stats and hope anyone that we've helped will let us know how they got on. It can help by trying to figure out what worked and what didn't but that's not reality. You'll never be able to do that because we are all different and we all lead different lives. There is no manic potion. I think we are very upfront about that.

Swaying is about trying to change something, anything that may yield a different result. We've based our approach using as much science as is available. You certainly can't expect a different result by repeating the same thing all over again. That doesn't work but that is what most people do that don't know about swaying.

Nobody's upset. I just want people to understand that it isn't as simple as saying 10 people got girls and 10 people got boys. The plans atomic does are around 16 pages long. You can't compare all that goes into a sway like the way you presented it. I'm sorry you're bummed about 50%. Swaying isn't for everyone. If you need a guarantee, I'd go HT! We can help you through that too!

I would be bloody happy if atomics swaying would give me a 50/50 chance of having a boy because at this point I feel like I have a 96% chance of having another girl. My OB toldme I had a 96% chance of having another girl, as did the u/s tech on wednesday when I went to get my girlie junk checked out to make sure everything is still all good to conceive in there.

And you know I feel like I don't have any chance to have a boy, what the odds honestly of having 5 girls in a row?? 2.7% chance! Somehow I don't think my body and lifestyle ever gave me a 50% chance of having a boy!

If you have never taken Vitex I really think you should try it.
The point in swaying is to do something different than the norm. If you crank out boys it's a good idea to change things up IMO. Vitex usually changes things up for everyone who takes it. One thing it does is change the time you O to earlier or later than your normal cycle. I went from Oing on day 23 for months to Oing around day 14!
I believe in Vitex.. it is fabulous, and I'd recommend it to anyone! :)
That's my DD in my avatar pic!

PS for PH change.. or change of my vag environment I used RepHresh the week surrounding O and SYLK with each BD which was 2 times surrounding O.

Other things I threw in for good measure were - ions. And I did take Calc and Mag and B50 complex.

I swayed in April and May. I did conceive in April with Vitex but lost my baby most likely due to thyroid issues.

Who knows what made my sway successful, all I knew was I had to change things to have a shot at my DD.

I must admit i went through a lot of stats when i was ttc'ing and for women in my position i found those with a long run of boys it was pretty much about 60% who got a girl. The way i looked at it was until that point we had nothing but boys between us even if it only worked just over half of the time thats a heck of a shot up from the 90% chance i thought i had of another boy. I was also shocked to realise that a lot of things i did naturally swayed boy. I knew nothing i was doing this time would sway blue so for me the rest to 50/50 (even if that was all i got - although from the hours i spent researching i felt it was lot a higher) was a great chance any way better than anything i would have had on my own.

I think the other thing to bare in mind is that sometimes looking at the stats it can be a bit misleading. I swayed with both due date groups mentioned as it took us a while to catch. Personally i think all the girls did themselves proud and this is not mean't in a negative way at all but not all were as strict as others in their sways, sometimes life takes over and you do the best you can. Things like the diet do slacken when your on it for a while and things do slip if your not getting pregnant. This is probably true of any due date group but if you do read some of the threads from the time they would give a little background to some of the difficulties people experienced. Not pointing any fingers as i said everyone did themselves proud but some things are not seen in context when you just look at the stats.

In my personal opinion to i do think looking at the individual stats doesn't help to much (as in like 0% taking SP) because no-one thing is key to making a good sway, its the combination of things that sway. I conceived on clomid and i think that made a huge difference to my sway but i did take SP and Vitex the months before and i noticed a real change in my personality (i was a lot more laid back and less stressy than normal) and this is the only thing i think caused it. I know a few of the girls did SP and vitex but dropped it when they weren't catching so although its not necessarily listed taking it the month before may have helped.

I do also think luck plays a huge part in things i have seen some due date groups with amazing stats, the march/april/may one did have a bad run of things but overall swaying can't be 100% because there are too many other factors that come into that affect things to but again in my opinion nothing your told to do on here will sway opposite of what you want and if your going to try anyway for another then you might as well give it a go, even if your not successful you've had a chance than you stood before and at least you know you did all you could (which was the peace of mind that i was looking for)

I also think that it is fair to question whether swaying works.

I think if you are looking for hope, perhaps going back even further with the public data would provide more data points.

You may also find it reassuring to know that most people post their sway when they get a BFP (not when they find out the sex of the baby), which at least lessens the issue of the sway statistics being unrepresentative.

Perhaps you will find it more compelling to look through actual research. While the effectiveness of swaying has yet to be adequately tested (at least in terms of what people are doing here), that the sex ratio is influenced by various conditions that affect the body has received scientific scrutiny (some conditions more than others).

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Originally Posted by Serendipity

Agreed, you can't draw any conclusions at all from a sample of 40 odd people, I wouldn't be convinced unless there was a controlled sample of a few thousand. But I don't see that happening any time soon. If I can see any proof that swaying can affect resultant gender that's not based on conjecture I'll be a happy swayer. I am watching the spreadsheet with interest as I pray it shows we can have some aspect of control over these difficult feelings. I'm very grateful to everyone involved. I was just really surprised by how even the split was on the other data available to me and wanted to share it with others in the same boat as me, I don't mean to try and p*$$ in anyone's cornflakes. I'll shut up now I've made myself unpopular by totalling up the public sways :)

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Hey, my cornflakes are bone dry! ;)

We have almost 150 results in the swaying spreadsheet and at the rate the site is growing I fully expect to see that number be at least approaching 1000 by the end of this year.

I hope you can understand the issue is not that anyone totals up the sways. I understand where you're coming from, which is that if swaying works, then surely you should be able to pick any group at random and have it be better than 50-50 but it doesn't work that way, if the numbers are 65-35 over the whole population of the site, then there could easily be some groups that are 70-30, some groups that are 50-50, it's the nature of randomness and chaos that things work out that way. The due date groups aren't a random sample of people, they're people who were swaying at a particular time when we believed certain things to be true/plausible and some of those things are bound to be wrong (more about this below.)

I COMPLETELY understand the emotions involved, and probably better than most because I got scared by "stats" on the other site into including things that in my gut felt like they would sway blue and ended up with an opposite because of it. I don't fault anyone for adding up and wanting to discuss any trends at all whatsoever. I do ask that people listen to my take on things tho.

Nuthin and I are in a bit of a "darned if you do, darned if you don't" kind of position. Anyone can say what they want (and we WANT and fully intend to keep it that way and avoid censorship) and when we try to respond with our take on the same data, people interpret that as us being mad or defensive when it's really not the case. I"m not mad, I'm explaining.

I know people are disappointed in 60% numbers but not me. When you think about it, we are talking about ALTERING THE 52-48 GENDER RATIO BY 10% (or more) with some easy to make changes in diet. Including everyone, regardless of how good a sway they do, we are still getting in the 60% range. That is CA-RAZY that we can seemingly do that and the blue sways have been even more successful. I wake up every morning in shock over it LOL.

Is it the mystical 95% that some of the sites claim? Um no, because they're liars (in my OPINION ;)) 95% is not an option, going from being 70-80% likely to have a boy to 65% likely to have a girl IS and we may even improve upon that number over the course of time.