Atomic, please help!

Oh and I think atomic is trying to say your LP and lining might thicken with out the added sups by increasing your fat and protein intake. The vit e, epo, and other blood thinning sups might be causing an increasingly thin lining since too much of a good thing can sometimes reverse itself.

With my LP I've always started spotting at 7dpo. I've had no issues with getting pg with it that way, it's just the way my body likes to roll unfortunately. I saw you're breast feeding? That can contribute to thinner linings too I think and it along with the clomid sway pink. Just a thought. Again, good luck! I hope you get that boy soon!!


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I would def try to up the meals to 3 a day. They don't have to be huge, I have to choke down breakfast on the best of days, a protein shake or some granola. You have to keep your blood sugar levels...well...level :)

Are you doing OPKs? Have you ever had any monitoring (for ovulation)?

Also it might help to read some of the articles about how to get a boy. I started off with IG and then the site was down so much I started/continued researching here and found that even though IG made good points I didn't believe it to be correct. From what I've read about getting boys and girls I lead totally boy/girl friendly diets/lifestyles before getting pg with each gender. Everything just made sense here while there is no magic spell or thing that will sway one way or another I think GD is more accurate about getting g your dream gender overall vs IG. Good luck!


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Wow that's a vey girl friendly sounding diet! I know this is for atomic, but I got my boys when I was heavier and healthier. I would eat breakfast cereal every morning (cereal is fortified - extra nutrients) and sometimes for dinner, I would eat a fairly good sized lunch and snacks in between. I also exercised moderately, drank high calorie "foo-foo" coffees drank regular coke vs diet, ate protein with every meal (whether it was in the form of milk, cheese, fish, beans/hummus, PB, or meat), and made sure to get a large variety of fruits and veggies to increase my nutrient levels. My bmi was close too if not showing I was overweight (stupid bmi!!). Oh I would also eat cinnamon rolls and or some sort of desert several days a week. :p

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I'm not a breakfast person, so it's really hard to work in; I'm trying really hard to eat within an hour of waking (sometimes I don't wake until late morning so I have lunch instead, but have another meal after dinner to make the 3rd meal). I am only little too (172.5 cm and now 58kgs, was 56kgs a week ago when starting the HE diet) and my BMI was 19.09, I'm guessing closer to 20 now, but it's so hard trying to force big meals into a little body, so I'm doing what I can. I'm also trying to include proteins at every meal. But no cereals; I just can't do them - when they get soggy they make me vomit. I can't stand soggy textured foods (I actually had to stop myself from throwing up everytime I ate a banana due to the awful texture).
I am incorporating Milo into my diet, so hopefully that makes up for the lack of breakfast cereal.
Plus I can only afford so much, so we have to keep things as much on the cheap as possible.
We get cheap red meat/chops and chicken a lot of the time and have a basic carrot/pea/corn veggie mix, with potatoes thrown in there as well.
I'm limited to what I can eat as well due to Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

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I also took a lot of vitamins at the time per my doc - beta carotene, vit c, zinc, vit e (400), and folic acid. I eventually added vit d3 and mag/cal but I can't remember of I took those before I got pg with DS or after. I think it was before. After ds1 o started a b-complex to help with my LP but it didn't work. It did give me energy so I continued it lol. Anyway not saying you should go on all these stupid sups but that the added nutrients helped to sway boy with my high calorie intake and even blood glucose levels from trying to eat every three hours. Good luck to you!! I hope you get your boy! :)

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I'm still taking my vit c for my iron absorption, I'm taking heaps of folic acid. Atomic has told me to get off the Vit e (which I am weaning off as of yesterday) and I'm only taking the zinc in my prenatal as per something I read by atomic in one of the supplement FAQ's.
I can't take calcium tabs as they give me kidney issues :/
I have been taking the b complex and it seems to have helped with my LP issues, but I'm only on my 2nd non-clomid cycle so I don't know if it's the clomid half life or me ... who knows.

My main concern right now is my HE diet - is 2.5 weeks long enough to be on it for it to work?
I ov next week and only started it last week.
And if I'm going to do SMEP I need to start now (CD 14)

I hope I get him too, but after 4 girls I'm not so convinced.

Well, I was always told where there is a will there is a way. I'm 4'11" and had no problems eating every three hours. I didn't eat large meals but I ate enough to keep my sugars elevated. Even on a restricted diet you should be able to do that. No one said to eat foods you couldn't eat. You know what your body will tolerate. Eat something small in the morning. Pop tart, nutrigrain bar, whatever. Making excuses won't get you a boy. Find the foods you can eat and eat small amounts all day long to keep the blood sugar levels elevated. I guess I'm not sure what you're looking for from atomic. :( she tried to explain to you what to do and what not to do and you seem very resistant to it.

Sorry. I'm backing out of this thread now. Good luck!


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Well, I was always told where there is a will there is a way. I'm 4'11" and had no problems eating every three hours. I didn't eat large meals but I ate enough to keep my sugars elevated. Even on a restricted diet you should be able to do that. No one said to eat foods you couldn't eat. You know what your body will tolerate. Eat something small in the morning. Pop tart, nutrigrain bar, whatever. Making excuses won't get you a boy. Find the foods you can eat and eat small amounts all day long to keep the blood sugar levels elevated. I guess I'm not sure what you're looking for from atomic. :( she tried to explain to you what to do and what not to do and you seem very resistant to it.

Sorry. I'm backing out of this thread now. Good luck!

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I'm sorry, but I'm not quite understanding you.

I usually don't eat very much because I don't usually need very much to run on, so I eat when I need to and when I have to and sometimes that doesn't quite follow the HE diet, so I'm looking for advice on how to work the HE diet around my habits and not to try and push myself further than I can go, or at least just gradually slide myself into a place where I get closer to doing what I'm meant to.
I was merely pointing out that some of the things you were doing I'm not capable of due to certain factors and if anything, was looking for appropriate substitutes; I'm not sure how you got resistance from that.
I have never and will never make excuses for myself; all I am doing is trying to get as much useful information as I possibly can with my particular situation in consideration.
I don't do certain things, I don't eat certain things and I'm trying to get as much as I can with my circumstances in mind.
Again, I'm not sure how this possibly equates into resistance.
Atomic misunderstood some of the things I was saying about my previous diet and my supplement use during my clomid cycles and my AF and I was trying to specify and elaborate what exactly I was doing so she would have a little bit more of a clearer picture of what exactly I was doing.
Atomic can't help me to the best of her knowledge and ability if I am not clear and concise; if the information I'm giving isn't being taken the way I meant it to, then it is my responsibility to make sure that I re-write it so that it can be understood the way I meant it to.
Being on the internet without proper ability to show tone and emotion guarantees that things that are said are not completely taken in the context that it is meant to be taken in and people mistake that the comments are in an argumentative nature.
I really don't seem how I can possibly be resistant to Atomic's advice when I have started weaning off the supplements she told me to and when I have done the diet to a point where I have already gained a couple of kilos.
If anything it should look like I'm an eager student willing to learn all that I can, but just needing some clarification on certain points as it's not to the general populations normality ie - my circumstances are unique to everybody else and it's a big thing for me to change my diet so drastically, so what does someone like me do when it's such a radical change?

And if the resistance you're talking about is the SMEP method - I'm sorry, but when you've had 4 girls like I have with various time span methods, I think you'd be a little skeptical of the SMEP method too.
I only get one more child, one more pregnancy, one more birth.
I need to have the most accurate information possible based on my circumstances.
I'm sorry if my asking questions and being thorough is coming off as 'resistant'.

The truth is you have to make a change. You have to try and do something different than what you were doing when you got your girls. We are relaying the information we have available to help you to sway boy. If you have very specific circumstances perhaps you should consider getting a personalized plan from atomic. GL.

I'll butt in to say that when I swayed for my son, I changed my diet A LOT. I ate protein and carbs together, ate many healthy snacks during the day, a bedtime snack, and first thing after waking, I would eat a Lara Bar. That was easy to eat, even when I wasn't quite ready for a big breakfast. Or you could try a handful of nuts and some dates. If you don't like the texture of bananas, etc., you could try smoothies; you could throw all sorts of things in a smoothie that would be nutritious.

It is hard to completely change your lifestyle, but since your current lifestyle has gotten you 4 girls, you need to do some things different. Atomic has great essays on here, and if you want, she can help you with a personalized plan to find ways of working around your health issues.

I have IBS as well, but didn't find the HE diet effected me in a negative way (except I pooped more from all the extra food! :oops: ). I hope you can find some choices that will work for you.

Eating nutritiously and often is a must with the boy sway--it keeps your blood sugars level, and shows your body that the resources are there for a boy conception. When I conceived my daughters, I was eating junk and snacking on mostly carbs, not eating often and sometimes drinking coffee in place of a meal. I am sure my blood sugar levels were all over the place! In contrast, when I did the HE diet, and conceived DS2, I had to really change my eating habits a LOT, and it was hard--but it WORKED. My 15 month old son is sitting here next to me, as proof of my sway success. :car: :) :DS:

Good luck!

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I'll butt in to say that when I swayed for my son, I changed my diet A LOT. I ate protein and carbs together, ate many healthy snacks during the day, a bedtime snack, and first thing after waking, I would eat a Lara Bar. That was easy to eat, even when I wasn't quite ready for a big breakfast. Or you could try a handful of nuts and some dates. If you don't like the texture of bananas, etc., you could try smoothies; you could throw all sorts of things in a smoothie that would be nutritious.

It is hard to completely change your lifestyle, but since your current lifestyle has gotten you 4 girls, you need to do some things different. Atomic has great essays on here, and if you want, she can help you with a personalized plan to find ways of working around your health issues.

I have IBS as well, but didn't find the HE diet effected me in a negative way (except I pooped more from all the extra food! :oops: ). I hope you can find some choices that will work for you.

Eating nutritiously and often is a must with the boy sway--it keeps your blood sugars level, and shows your body that the resources are there for a boy conception. When I conceived my daughters, I was eating junk and snacking on mostly carbs, not eating often and sometimes drinking coffee in place of a meal. I am sure my blood sugar levels were all over the place! In contrast, when I did the HE diet, and conceived DS2, I had to really change my eating habits a LOT, and it was hard--but it WORKED. My 15 month old son is sitting here next to me, as proof of my sway success. :car: :) :DS:

Good luck!

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I've been having a cup of Milo in the morning within the first half hour of waking up and then I'll have my first food of the day within an hour of that.
DH has made sure that if I don't get 3 meals, that we get in as many snacks as possible.
At least 2 of my meals are a protein and a veg combo and I have an apple before bed.
I snack on chocolate and potato chips (bad, I know, but it's the only thing I have available at this present moment in time - we need to do another grocery shop).
I eat till I'm full and I eat when I'm hungry, so I'm not fulfilling the recommended calorie intake (I could be, I have no idea, I don't calorie count, I don't think it's healthy to do and plus with 4 girls I don't want them seeing me do that), but I have gained 3 kilos in the last week, so I'm guessing something is working.
My 4 girls were conceived on 4 very different eating schedules.
#1 was a very stressful time so I was really inconsistent with my meals, #2 I was eating brilliantly because I was at the gym and that was encouraging me to eat properly (and I put 3 kilos on in TTC lead up), #3 I think I was eating ok and #4 I was breastfeeding #3 so I was eating reasonably well.
I was a little *too* enthused about losing weight this time around so incorporated that into my IG diet (although I stopped losing weight around 6 months ago and have kept a consistent weight since; if anything I gained a kilo or so after hitting my target).
Might have been a big whoops on my part.
We have started using the SMEP method as of yesterday, so I'm hoping that doing the diet for 2.5 weeks before ov is enough. The 4 weeks before that I was eating the right foods, just not enough (inconsistently consistent says DH; my memory is fried). I was eating a really meaty/hearty dinner, and having an apple or 2 before bed, but my lunch consisted of a banana and I had no breakfast. And I snacked on lemon water and coconut water/pineapple juice combo (I really just don't eat that much :/ So it's been a bit of a struggle getting the extra into me, but I'm trying my hardest. I'm hoping my supplement intake helps fill in some gaps).
But my DH has been really good with the food and has been motivating me with this diet, making sure I eat etc, so I know I'm not going to fall back into the bad routine.

I *think* I'm doing ok with it, I'll continue with it and see how I do, my main concern now is the fact that I won't have been on it for long at time of ovulation (but I don't have a lot of choice - my gyno is putting me back onto clomid next cycle and it makes me sick so I can't eat well on it, that's why my last cycle I was eating better because it was my first cycle off it; I was actually getting hungry on a regular basis and eating the house down which I wasn't doing on the clomid).
But yeah, just really nervous about the amount of time being on it before ov happens...

I agree with pp. I can tell you that with both my DS's I ate protein and carbs. I always ate breakfast, usually cereal, pop tarts, waffles, pancakes etc. I did snack. I always are out on weekends. Had a pretty boy friendly lifestyle. I hope you get your DS and GL!