Mocha, I think it does feel hard, I'm a little hopeful! Maniacal, really good point, if it wasn't for temping I would be quite confident I had ovulated. Now I'm on to a new worry that if you ovulate late it's not likely to result in a pregnancy - google searches are dpsuch a bad idea!!!! I'm thinking of dropping vitex and/or saw palmetto next cycle as it just delayed ovulating too much