Is hcg produced after conception or implantation?

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Originally Posted by nuthinbutpink

HCG is produced by the cells that form the placenta after implantation. Implantation cannot occur until 5 days after ovulation at the earliest. People often mistake their exact O date.

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:agree: a million % and it's more likely 7 DPO at the very very earliest.

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Originally Posted by eme1ieh

Is it possible that your body produce more progesterone when you've conceived? In some way.. It's like i'm having higher progesterone levels really early when we've conceived compared with when we haven't conceived. :)

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Anything is possible, but MUCH more likely is that you happen to conceive in months when ALL your hormone levels are higher, estrogen, etc. and some evidence indicates that this is the case. People's temperature fluctuations are often much more pronounced in months they go on to conceive (lower before ovulation due to lots of estrogen, and then higher after ovulation due to lots of progesterone, with a major temp dip at about 7 DPO due to secondary estrogen surge) and this is NOT because they have conceived - because you can't conceive till you've ovulated, LOL - but because when your body is making a lot of good hormones, you're in a better place to get pregnant!

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Originally Posted by eme1ieh

Actually I've found some text that confirm this, but this is not any scientific text..

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If it is just people talking about what they think happened, it is not worth anything. People get a BFP and tend to then have photographic memories of everyhting that happened in a particular month and forget every little weird thing that happened in other months.

I can tell you for a fact I have had nausea and sore BB's 2-3 DPO in months I was not pregnant.

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

If it is just people talking about what they think happened, it is not worth anything. People get a BFP and tend to then have photographic memories of everyhting that happened in a particular month and forget every little weird thing that happened in other months.

I can tell you for a fact I have had nausea and sore BB's 2-3 DPO in months I was not pregnant.

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Yep, and I really regret not taking better notes sometimes in my FF charts because our memories are certainly selective!!

But for sure I get nausea in lots and LOTS of cycles with BFN's. Nowadays I'm just glad when I do since it means I'm actually getting some progesterone going!

This one time I was at the grocery store and this woman had a metric ton of perfume on and I really really thought I was going to barf. felt exactly like MS. No way I was preggo, it was just the post-ov prog boost.

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Anything is possible, but MUCH more likely is that you happen to conceive in months when ALL your hormone levels are higher, estrogen, etc. and some evidence indicates that this is the case. People's temperature fluctuations are often much more pronounced in months they go on to conceive (lower before ovulation due to lots of estrogen, and then higher after ovulation due to lots of progesterone, with a major temp dip at about 7 DPO due to secondary estrogen surge) and this is NOT because they have conceived - because you can't conceive till you've ovulated, LOL - but because when your body is making a lot of good hormones, you're in a better place to get pregnant!

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Thanks atomic, great answer as always. :) I see what you mean. So estrogen lower your temperature? If that's the case i keep my finger crossed since my temperature before O was noticeably lower than usually this cycle. :) I'm taking Agnus castus, can agnus castus affect your estrogen levels? I thought AC lowers estrogen? I'm 5dpo today.

Yes, estrogen lowers your temps. Progesterone raises them. I suggest you get a good book on the menstrual cycle like TCYOF because some of your questions and concerns, I feel are because of a lack of knowledge about how your cycle works. I think you know just enough so you are then susceptible to misleading things you read online and then you get worried about it.

WHY ARE YOU STILL TAKING VITEX AFTER OVULATION?? How long have you been taking Vitex for?? I hope not long!

Don't stop it now. I think it might shock your body too much. Let's wait to see if you get BFP or not before weaning off.

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Yes, estrogen lowers your temps. Progesterone raises them. I suggest you get a good book on the menstrual cycle like TCYOF because some of your questions and concerns, I feel are because of a lack of knowledge about how your cycle works. I think you know just enough so you are then susceptible to misleading things you read online and then you get worried about it.

WHY ARE YOU STILL TAKING VITEX AFTER OVULATION?? How long have you been taking Vitex for?? I hope not long!

Don't stop it now. I think it might shock your body too much. Let's wait to see if you get BFP or not before weaning off.

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Thank you. I use fertility friend and can see some good patterns, before, during and after ovulation. I read a lot, i'm both curious, i want to learn and i want control (i guess it's both a good and a bad quality i have).

I started to take AC november last year, i had a break in december month and now i have taking it january and february month. But i only take it until ovulation, fourteen days in other words, then a break until next cycle.

200% agree with atomic that optimal hormone levels in certain cycles enable pregnancy rather than being caused by pregnancy.

Vitex noticeably affects my temps and I've seen it do so for most other women, too. For me personally, it makes my temps both before and after O higher (I took it all cycle long).

Atomic, about implantation dip. If you had a implatation dip in earlier pregnancy, is it likely that you always is going to have these dips when you conceived? I hope you understand what i mean. I wonder if it can vary from pregnancy to pregnancy for one person.