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Originally Posted by Throwaway_panther

CE, I think you and I are very similar in our over analytical personality, haha. And with that said, I tell you that we are probably each other's hopes: the same person each ending up with the other's DG!

So because I think I get you, let me break my anecdotal tale down, since I had a lot going for blue, really:
*Martha personality to an outrageous extent (the quiz circulating around this forum said I had a 95% chance of having a boy based on that lol)
* Total blue DTD pattern
* Always O'd
* Was taking prenatals for months
* Was lifting weights for years
* Have no thyroid/permanent hypothyroid (though I was being run high to get pregnant)
* Got pregnant immediately
* Period has never been light ever until my first postpartum period. Seriously -- after no period from BC for years, my first period coming off of it was a bloodbath lol. Even when I "lost" my period due to anorexia when I was younger, it got irregular and stayed heavy whenever it did come.

Semi-possible blue things (in your mind):
* DH comes from boy heavy family
* DH has high T
* Conceived in September
* Was stressed (am always stressed to some extent though)

We got a girl, and my very LE factors were:
* Tons of cardio on top of lifting
* Low calorie (had an ED relapse)
* No red meat and not much other meat
* No breakfast ever
* Followed an intermittent fasting approach to eating
* Decent amounts of caffeine and regular alcohol use

I also had just come off the pill, and my DH was unusually stressed out from his job, was occasionally smoking a cigar, and had been boating in the sun regularly.

So there's some stuff to peruse.

Re: your calorie intake. Are you weighing and measuring your food to see if those calories are accurate? The truth is that metabolisms truly don't vary much from person to person unless there's a disorder/medical issue. People can burn more based on body composition, but if you're losing weight to the point of being underweight on those calories and you're not breastfeeding (are you?), I'd wonder if something else is up.

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Was wanting to ask what you mean by running high with thyroid to get pregnant? I have had an underactive thyroid for five years. I was overweight when I was diagnosed but conceived 2 boys over five years no problem. I have a dd born before I was diagnosed, I am currently swaying pink. I got my bloods checked in may ahead of our first unsuccessful attempt in June and results indicated I was no significantly hyper, I was put of all medication for a week and now on a lower dose. Dose cannot be reduced further until blood work shows in a few weeks if it is necessary, does having a high level of thyroxine help to achieve pregnancy? I know a low can inhibit, does hyper sway pink? Many thanks

Meant to add, I have lost six stone in weight which is why my gp thinks am now requiring less meds!

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Originally Posted by Girlieplease

Was wanting to ask what you mean by running high with thyroid to get pregnant? I have had an underactive thyroid for five years. I was overweight when I was diagnosed but conceived 2 boys over five years no problem. I have a dd born before I was diagnosed, I am currently swaying pink. I got my bloods checked in may ahead of our first unsuccessful attempt in June and results indicated I was no significantly hyper, I was put of all medication for a week and now on a lower dose. Dose cannot be reduced further until blood work shows in a few weeks if it is necessary, does having a high level of thyroxine help to achieve pregnancy? I know a low can inhibit, does hyper sway pink? Many thanks

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Hyper MIGHT sway pink (there's some thoughts on that elsewhere on this forum), but ultimately I'm never hyper even when run at hyper levels because I don't have a thyroid, so I have a bit of a different case. Running hyper without my issue can also lead to infertility/miscarriage, so it's not a tactic to go for (my endo ran me high because women without thyroids have levels that drop really low once they're pregnant, so this was to stave that off).

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Just wanted to reiterate that I think May-June may have been a couple more normalish cycles stuck together.

I would prefer you take just a zinc supplement. You're eating well and you just don't need most of that other stuff. And yeah, if you have to do the prenatal, then I prefer just 3 days a week instead of the more control-freaky splitting the pill and I really wish you wouldn't have done all the calculating and calling the company for the same exact reason. If you want to take the stuff, take it. Don't do complex equations and telephone calls.

Skipping a prenatal doesn't make health problems, guys. I know I've explained it a ton of times but I would never, ever, times a billion over be involved in making recommendations that I believe could cause any child harm. It is fine if you want to take them but only folic alone has ever been demonstrated to prevent birth defects when taken before conception. Do what you have to do but factually speaking, the human race has been around for a long time, prenatals only 50 of those (max) and most of the people around the world do not use them. 80% success for blue taking them.

Cinnamon needs to go if you're having too much weight loss. Sorry didn't know you were using it. Even a small amount of cinnamon is strong stuff.

I do not think you need to gain weight in this circumstance. Just drop cinnamon and be real sure you don't lose more.

A half a day of spotting is not spotting. That is fine.

My humble advice is for you to not take time off for the seasons. I think it is a major step in the wrong direction and this whole idea of your zinc stores - can I very humbly mention the B12 thing??? you don't even know you're lacking in zinc. If you are, start the 8-15 mg a day or even 3x a week and you'll be fine. I think this is yet another control-freakish thing that is probably best not to be indulged. I got my girl in boy months and 2 boys in girl months. Only one of my 5 "followed the rules" from the study. I personally do not think it's worth anyone taking time off, especially given that you want a closer spacing between kiddos. To me, it feels really...not...good...LOL to start a prenatal just cause which may make you 80% likely to have a boy or even more (since that was among blue swayers who may be more set for pink to start with) and then indulge this worry about 2-3%. Worry about the 80%!!

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Originally Posted by Girlieplease

Sorry I have no advice but will be following with interest as am sort of in a similar position. I have three babies conceived first time trying using cb fertility monitor, no swaying involved. Decided to start swaying for a sister for dd, was obese about two years ago and started dieting and exercising, nothing to do with swaying as I did not know about it then. In January I started lovely following le and increasing the exercise. Started diet and exercise hard core in April and we had attempt in June and July. Both unsuccessful, I think my timing was spot on both months. In total I have lost 7 stone and if I lose much more I will be underweight. Not the same as you as your low weight already but am wondering if weight loss is making it difficult for me to conceive? I am also exercising 6 days per week. Thinking of dropping the intensity to walking in case this is a factor. I discovered am only having lp of 9 days as well, the only other time I measured stuff in relation to ovulation was when I was trying for each of my babies, as I got pregnant first time I did not have an lp, so am not sure such a short lp is normal or not. It is such a frustrating process, fingers crossed and good luck!

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eat more. Keep exercising. keep up with increased fat intake

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Originally Posted by Erin514

Personally I don't think the seasonal factor can sway enough to make it worth skipping so many months of ttc, but if your primary reason for wanting the break is because you feel depleted or in need of a break for your sanity, that's completely different. Similarly, I know prenatals are generally a no for pink, but if you've been swaying this long and are worried about being deficient, do what you need to relax and sleep at night. Just my 2¢

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:agree: sanity is a different matter. anyone who needs a break to get their head right should always take one. I am talking about the people who pick and choose and analyze and write up pro-con lists ttrying to find the "magic month" without understanding that the control-freakishness is swaying a kazillion times stronger than any of the little things and people very well may end up freaking themselves out of a good month because they can't give up the efforts to control everything in their universes.

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Originally Posted by Complex Emotions

I've done a lot of research on the season thing. September and October are the peak boy months with 4-6% more boys than girls conceived during these two months alone (at least for the parts of the world with cold winters in Dec-Feb). March and April are the peak girl months with a sway of 2-3% more girls than boys conceived. Winter and summer conceptions are the gender neutral times.

I know that these percentages don't sound huge, but keep in mind that for some people certain sway factors matter a lot more than they would for the general population. I am extremely sensitive to seasonal changes, I see the pattern in a lot of the births on my side of the family, and I already conceived my boy in October so to me all the evidence I have points to this being a significant factor. That said... well, I myself was conceived in October (please don't laugh :wink:).

Everything considered, I don't want to give up months so I think we'll make some kind of an attempt in September and October (my husband is probably NOT okay with skipping months either) but I'm considering how strict I want to be with the jump and dump. Mostly I'm hoping to get pregnant this cycle so in the end I won't have to worry about it anyway!

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I am a Sept. conceived girl and my mom would be October

I was also conceived in either late September or early October! Just sayin! 😀

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Originally Posted by Throwaway_panther

Hyper MIGHT sway pink (there's some thoughts on that elsewhere on this forum), but ultimately I'm never hyper even when run at hyper levels because I don't have a thyroid, so I have a bit of a different case. Running hyper without my issue can also lead to infertility/miscarriage, so it's not a tactic to go for (my endo ran me high because women without thyroids have levels that drop really low once they're pregnant, so this was to stave that off).

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Thanks, was never considering it as a tactic, am just really curious and since am struggling to conceive I an interested in all perspectives that have a connection to me. I did wonder if been hyper had inhibited my chances of conception but seems that is not the case. Thanks for replying x

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Originally Posted by Complex Emotions

Thanks Throwaway_panther, I appreciate your perspective on the prenatal. Taking half the prenatal would only sway half as much as a full one anyway, right? Also, if not taking one causes stress, isn't stress a sway factor in and of itself? It seems like cutting down on stress might be more pink than turning down a 1/2 a prenatal would...

As for the "eating a healthier amount of calories" thing, I'm embarrassed to say that I already do eat at least 2400 calories or so. I know that amount of food is thought to sway blue but I've always needed a ton of calories just to maintain. Like I said, I've still lost weight even while eating that amount. I don't think there's anything I can do about it.

You wrote "you have so much going pink here" which I really appreciated. However, I do feel like I have quite a bit working against my sway. For one thing my husband's family is heavily boy with a long, long streak of all male births. Atomic has written about how you frequently see your period get lighter when swaying girl, but mine has not. Then there's my issue with needing so many calories that my LE is not pure LE. It's way less protein and fat than I'm used to, but still probably more than recommended...

Well in the end my goals are to be at peace with the situation and to have a healthy second child. If we have a second son I hope knowing I did what I could to sway will help me find peace.

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Ok. We can sit around all day arguing about how many angels dance on the heads of pins here but I think you're missing the big picture which is you are trying so hard to justify the things you want to do that you're really just swaying blue anyway.

If you want to take a prenatal, take one. Don't try to justify it by thinking that it's only swaying 50% (because that is not how this works, your body uses whatever nutrients it can get its imaginary hands on) or that stress sways blue or whatever. THIS is the reason I worry about you. It is the effort to control, control, control the situation so you can feel like you're doing what you want to do (which is take a prenatal) while still doing it in some magic way that won't affect your sway. Just take the prenatal! :) Or, maybe just the zinc, and maybe 3x a week.

You need to eat what you need to eat to hold steady on weight. I had to make calorie guidelines cause people needed them. that does not mean you have to slavishly stick to them; some of us have higher metabolisms and that's ok. I do want to stress that at your level of cal intake there is no earthly way you need a prenatal and vastly prefer you just do the zinc, but please do what your gut is telling you

I know I already answered another post about why your husband's family makeup is irrelevant so I'll refer you back to that thread.