Stop or continue breadtfeeding?

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Originally Posted by GirlmomXOXO

I got pregnant with my second daughter while nursing my first daughter. I’m still nursing my second at 16 month but I know I need to stop soon cause I want to sway blue at the end of the summer.

I think I read something about the hormones from breastfeeding sway pink or something along those lines

But interested in why a long term breastfeeder sways blue and hoping that will work in my favor this time around!!


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Being a long term breastfeeder doesn't sway blue. Breastfeeding always sways pink. It may sway less pink over the course of time, but we don't know that for a fact. My point is simply that the tiny group of women who do nurse past 12 months or longer are not a randomly selected group of people and thus you can't tell by looking at the statistics or results (or by looking at people IRL) about how breastfeeding sways because it is very likely that group of women is already more blue-friendly.

I believe breastfeeding sways pink not because of studies or results but because of biology. It suppresses fertility (and the more you nurse, and the closer you are to having just had a baby, the more it suppresses it) and thus far everything other than PCOS that has suppressed fertility and made it a little harder to conceive, has swayed pink. It also lowers blood sugar.
My point in writing all this is simply to explain why it is that breastfeeding sways pink even though it isn't obvious based on results that it does.

Now, this does not mean you shouldn't continue breastfeeding as long as you want when swaying blue. That is totally up to you and myself and many others have gotten boys while nursing. (I got a boy and a girl while nursing, 3 boys without nursing, so 50-50 is better than 100%, LOL) I would just sway and then continue your breastfeeding relationship if you so desire. Totally fine to do that!

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Originally Posted by Linni

Long time BF sways blue?
Or did you mean „boy moms“ simply tend to BF longer than average?


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What I mean is that the tiny group of women who BF that length of time and are willing to actually TTC while still nursing may be predisposed to have more boys than the general population and this makes it LOOK like breastfeeding sways blue, when in reality, it totally sways pink. Making numbers up out of thin air to illustrate: if you come into a sway 80% set for boys, and then do something that sways 20% pink - which is a HUGE sway - but you could still end up 60% likely to have a boy. This doesn't mean that whatever you did that got you 20% pink sway is swaying blue, it still sways pink, even if overall you still ended up having more chance of a boy than a girl.

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Originally Posted by LMSM

Interested to hear more too!
I breastfed DD1 until just before 12 months as she self weaned when I fell pregnant on my 2 Nd PPAF (miscarried though j.
I fell pregnant with DD2 when she was 18 months, with Clomid though. (conceived DD1 with Clomid also).
I breastfed DD2 until 17 months, and fell pregnant with DD3 (naturally!) about 4 months after weaning.
Would love to know what would be best to sway blue if we go for #4! She’s barely 8 weeks old so not on the agenda yet, but thinking of possibly weaning around 12 months ish, and ttc after she is 18 months.

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:agree: I prefer you guys to wait 12 months minimum and 18 is better. :)

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Being a long term breastfeeder doesn't sway blue. Breastfeeding always sways pink. It may sway less pink over the course of time, but we don't know that for a fact. My point is simply that the tiny group of women who do nurse past 12 months or longer are not a randomly selected group of people and thus you can't tell by looking at the statistics or results (or by looking at people IRL) about how breastfeeding sways because it is very likely that group of women is already more blue-friendly.

I believe breastfeeding sways pink not because of studies or results but because of biology. It suppresses fertility (and the more you nurse, and the closer you are to having just had a baby, the more it suppresses it) and thus far everything other than PCOS that has suppressed fertility and made it a little harder to conceive, has swayed pink. It also lowers blood sugar.
My point in writing all this is simply to explain why it is that breastfeeding sways pink even though it isn't obvious based on results that it does.

Now, this does not mean you shouldn't continue breastfeeding as long as you want when swaying blue. That is totally up to you and myself and many others have gotten boys while nursing. (I got a boy and a girl while nursing, 3 boys without nursing, so 50-50 is better than 100%, LOL) I would just sway and then continue your breastfeeding relationship if you so desire. Totally fine to do that!

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Okay that makes sense!!
I want to try everything I can to increase my odds for a boy and if that means giving up nursing it would be worth it to me. Thank you


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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

What I mean is that the tiny group of women who BF that length of time and are willing to actually TTC while still nursing may be predisposed to have more boys than the general population and this makes it LOOK like breastfeeding sways blue, when in reality, it totally sways pink. Making numbers up out of thin air to illustrate: if you come into a sway 80% set for boys, and then do something that sways 20% pink - which is a HUGE sway - but you could still end up 60% likely to have a boy. This doesn't mean that whatever you did that got you 20% pink sway is swaying blue, it still sways pink, even if overall you still ended up having more chance of a boy than a girl.

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Okay, I gotcha! :)
Thanks for the explanation, this was what I thought anyway. One thing is still strange to me:
Looking at the stats, the ladies who have been BF while swaying - didn’t they all also do the diet? I still find it confusing that the rate among the BF women is only 60ish%... without the diet I can totally understand your explanation, but while on the diet, I would expect the rate to be at least as high as the overalle success rate [emoji848]

It‘s not that I continue BF ONLY for swaying reasons.
First, my son demands it with strong willpower and it will be very difficult to wean anyway [emoji849]
And second, I often find it handy to still be nursing, especially when teeth are breaking through! It comforts him easily.
So my approach is to BF him because I don‘t have the energy to start to wean (and I will be a fight..) and because it could help my sway.

However, I found that the LE diet impacts my milk supply and I really have to eat more than the 1800-2000 cals, esp. have to watch the 60g of fat! Less than that gives very much hunger feeling and very „dry boobs“, IYKWIM [emoji23]


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Plus, I think that in Europe, or at least where I come from, long term BF is more common than it seems to be in the US. Could that be true?
Let‘s say half of my friends continue BF their children after 12 months, several moms even after 2 years.

Or maybe that’s the social group I‘m in that you meant. :))


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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

:agree: I prefer you guys to wait 12 months minimum and 18 is better. :)

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Definitely not ttc before dd3 is at least 18 months for sure ...just wanting to leave More time between weaning and starting ttc next time around since I conceived dd3 about 4 months after weaning DD2. Hoping for 6 months at the very least :)
Am so girl friendly as it is, if I can tip the odds just slightly in the favour of blue, will do things the best way possible even if it means being patient and waiting ttc somewhat longer:)

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Originally Posted by Linni

Okay, I gotcha! :)
Thanks for the explanation, this was what I thought anyway. One thing is still strange to me:
Looking at the stats, the ladies who have been BF while swaying - didn’t they all also do the diet? I still find it confusing that the rate among the BF women is only 60ish%... without the diet I can totally understand your explanation, but while on the diet, I would expect the rate to be at least as high as the overalle success rate [emoji848]

It‘s not that I continue BF ONLY for swaying reasons.
First, my son demands it with strong willpower and it will be very difficult to wean anyway [emoji849]
And second, I often find it handy to still be nursing, especially when teeth are breaking through! It comforts him easily.
So my approach is to BF him because I don‘t have the energy to start to wean (and I will be a fight..) and because it could help my sway.

However, I found that the LE diet impacts my milk supply and I really have to eat more than the 1800-2000 cals, esp. have to watch the 60g of fat! Less than that gives very much hunger feeling and very „dry boobs“, IYKWIM [emoji23]


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Yes, but if you've been super into healthy living your entire life AND have a "control freak", super anxious/worried about health personality AND are in a higher socioeconomic strata that has been shown to sway blue AND are able to breastfeed at all to start with and have the luxury to continue doing that for many months, that can absolutely still skew results. 12 weeks on diet just is not always enough to counteract a strong blue lifestyle that you've had for many years and in many ways that you still have - there are many aspects to lifestyle that are aside from diet that can still be swaying blue for a person even when they are on LE Diet.

Plus, I didn't get into this but there is also the fertility factor/maternal condition to consider. It is not at all usual to get pregnant while still nursing and in many cases, women literally CAN"T conceive while nursing so the women who can get pregnant while nursing, especially before 18 months, may be coming into TTC in better condition and more fertile than women who can't. Again, it's another thing that preselects for women who may be the most set for blue, to be the most likely to get pregnant while nursing since so many people can't/don't.

I am with you on the breastfeeding - it was always just so much more work to wean than to just keep going. With DS 3 (this was my "traditional" sway when I was on INgender and doing many of the things they said) I planned to wean at 9 months (I cringe reading that now, I feel terribly guilty for even thinking that) because they said you couldn't sway while nursing, but I just found that it was so much effort and he enjoyed it so much that I kept going with it.

I do want you guys to eat more calories and fat - and we have everyone breastfeeding do things that way and we do still get good results with nursing. Anything better than 50-50 is still good results!

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Originally Posted by LMSM

Definitely not ttc before dd3 is at least 18 months for sure ...just wanting to leave More time between weaning and starting ttc next time around since I conceived dd3 about 4 months after weaning DD2. Hoping for 6 months at the very least :)
Am so girl friendly as it is, if I can tip the odds just slightly in the favour of blue, will do things the best way possible even if it means being patient and waiting ttc somewhat longer:)

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:agree: I think waiting a bit longer will only help anyway. As you know I am a fan of further spacing when swaying blue even without nursing being in the picture! :)

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Originally Posted by Linni

Plus, I think that in Europe, or at least where I come from, long term BF is more common than it seems to be in the US. Could that be true?
Let‘s say half of my friends continue BF their children after 12 months, several moms even after 2 years.

Or maybe that’s the social group I‘m in that you meant. :))


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Yes exactly it depends both in the US and in Europe there are some groups of people who nurse longer than others. I always nursed a super long time as did many of my friends, while my mom and sister and my brother's gf barely nursed at all. just one of those things that people in some groups do and others don't.