Thank you so much for posting this! I also have pcos and that awesome random facial hair and was told it would be impossible for me to have a girl... I feel much more hope now :)Quote:
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Thank you so much for posting this! I also have pcos and that awesome random facial hair and was told it would be impossible for me to have a girl... I feel much more hope now :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisap2008
Brilliant thread. I can say that the main difference between ttcing my ds2 and dd was the following:
+ loosing weight! (while ttcing my ds2 I stuffed my face thinking it would enhance fertility, while ttcing dd I wanted to loose excess pg weight before falling again)
+ abstinence and generally not dtd often (my ds2 was only 7 months old and cosleeping, ttcing my ds2 we dtd frequently, but not every day)
+ walked to work every morning (ions and cardio)
+ o+12
Who told you that?? Let me at 'em!:fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by drowning in boys
PCOS can make it more of a challenge to conceive girls, but at the same time, a lot of the meds PCOS ladies get sway pink!! I know MANY PCOS ladies with girls!!!
The only friend that has PCOS (that I know of ) has girl-girl-girl-boy :DQuote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
... and my friend had a girl then a boy :D
When I had my DD, I ate a lot of diary - all low fat, milk and yogurt everyday, had diet soda, rice, mostly brown bread, less veggies, ate lot of fruit, no meat. Also, ate little salt. Loved carbs like pasta, potato and sweet baked things.
i don't remember what i ate. i hate red meat so i know i wasn't eating that. we actually swayed boy several times and failed the only things i can think of that messed up my sways were calcium. i love milk, not the skim milk. i want the fattening whole milk and taste like milk. dh is addicted to ice cream. i never ate breakfast and we always bd after a hot shower. not saying that will work for everyone but it was enough to give me 7 daughters. and it won't hurt to try those things.
When we made our daughter I swayed girl hard without even knowing. I ate a lot of chicken, no salt. Loved soda. never ater breakfast. Worked out a lot. Ton of cardio. Low weights. I was super thin. Took claritin almost daily for allergies. We dtd I was on top, It was about days after O. Oh and I have a hard core beard! LOL...Gotten even worse since pregnant with number 2! I think that is most of it!
THANK You so much girls!!!! I come back and read this thread often. SUCH a great thread!!!!! It makes me feel less stressed about FR and abstaining. Love you all!!!! My blue dust is YOURS!!!!!!!
DD1- Not swaying, but ate low calorie, low salt diet, didnt like red meat, drank diet coke every day drank low fat milk and low fat greek yoghurt, didnt eat until 10am. exercised daily ( walking dog or cardio at gym) was very underweight. Timing was neither abstinence or frequent bd.couldt tell when Ovulation was because I hardly had EWCM.
DS- increased food including breakfast when I was having trouble concieving. DTD for 4 days straight through ovulation. began charting on FF.
pregnant with DD2- swayed pink , took sudafed, used sylk. - did the A-gender diet as It was very similar food concepts as what I was eating when I conceived my DD1. however although I though abstinence was the key I "stuffed up" timing and did only 5 days abstinence, followed by 2 days in a row BD ( 2 days before ovulation) this still resulted in a girl!
hope this helps others.
DD1 was married only for a month when conceived in mid july. Lowest weight for me ever..... husband spent 1 week in a h very hot tractor with no ac, he is a farmer, he broke the window it was so hot....
DS1 followed ID Diet
DD2 oops pregnancy, pull out method,DH was out drinking with friends right before
Okay, so you've all convinced me to get off my butt and workout today. Are you happy now??? hahaha!
for DD1 I was BD ing every day, I ate tons of dairy, I never really had EWCM, always skipped breakfast and never worked out. For DD2 I had basically the same diet and but I am not positive when she was conceived since I wasn't trying and it was kind of a surprise. I think both times they were conceived it was in the missionary position.
Girls in all the years i have been reading up on swaying i've never read such great thread! Thank you all from the bottom of my heart for sharing your stories. I can now see why i have 3 sons lol. And yes time to start excercising for me too.:tissue:
Just wanted to add a few things, with both my daughters I was losing weight fast, with DD2 I was on a starvation diet not eating past 4pm.Also I am a diet coke junky, that is one of the things I stopped when I conceived DS.
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Irish, if you really want to blow your mind, read the "how we got our boys" thread and the differences are really quite stunning. :0Quote:
Originally Posted by Irishmom
Oh i will do now thanks! I'm already shocked at how boys friendly my diet and sways where lol.Evene though i believed otherwise.
Holy moly!!!! I knew i was boy friendly but after reading the boy thread i'm shocked lol. :worry:
It is TOTALLY shocking isn't it! I "knew" it in my gut, but these two threads really bring it home!!
Wow I love this thread!!!
Hi new here! (from IG) thought I would add what i did when i concieved my dd (didnt know about swaying then) I had a mc dec 2009 then went back on the pill and came off in march 2009 had 1 af from pill then started ttc cycle day 7,9,11,13 so sort of frequent, I have very regular cycles of 27 days i o cycle day 14 i didnt have any ewcm wich was not normal for me but put it down to having been on the pill i always had breakfast a very sweet one nut clusters with chocolate curles!!! and for lunch a tunafish or ham bread roll with butter and always followed that with chocolate bar and crisps(chips) I drink tons of tea and the odd latte and that was all i was eating so not a lot really and that was no later than 2pm i didnt eat again for rest of the day and ate this way for months untill bfp i also exercised 4 x a week and walked everywhere was trying to loose weight! but didnt need to really just have issues!! we dtd in pm so my blood sugar would have been low i have sugar in my tea/coffee dh dose not drink coffee/tea but dose drink coke and beer!! we had been drinking a lot of alcohol when ttc (partys) my diet was low protien hardley ever ate fruit/veg love love carbs!!!! not much dairy except milk in latte and on cereal concieved in new moon dont know what ph was didnt jump and dump but did wipe excess away sorry tmi!! cant sleep feeling sticky lol!! HTH
Thanks and welcome HB!!
Thanks Atomic!! I actually want to sway girl this time, not sure if i should do same as last time or add/change things a bit not ttc untill 2013 just going to plan it all first with help from you lovely ladies!
No need to make up your mind yet, just hang out and do some reading and eventually everything will fall into place for you!
I see almost everyone is anti salt so does that mean you did not season chicken with salt as well?? And I'm glad some of you ladies conceived nd still ate chicken because I'm so nervous to give up eating chicken because that is the only meat I am eating now
We didn't even own salt until I started swaying blue....and chicken is my first choice of protein and always has been!
Whoever started this thread should get a medal...a statuette, maybe an Emmy....now I know that with my lifestyle DH and I would have had TWENTY boys in a row....I just Thank GOD for granting me the wisdom of OTHER people cause you never know....:).......
THANK YOU GIRLS!!! This topic has been the most informative ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LE diet makes a lot more sense to me now:)
great thread - love it!!! Thanks girls
I guess I could probably add something to this thread since I have 4 girls.
Basically, I never eat breakfast, coffee in the morning with chocolate or cookies and then nothing until probably 12 or later. Didn't ever over salt anything. I will add some salt while cooking but rarely add salt to a dish I am eating. Not a big ketchup person, not a big potato person. Don't eat a lot of protein. I eat lots of fruit in the summer but not so much in the winter because there is not much available where I live. I eat lots of carbs cause they are easy and I have little kids. Bread with cheese, pasta, etc. Was bad about taking prenatals while breastfeeding. Got pregnant with dd4 while breastfeeding. Pretty dry "down there" (sorry, tmi). Very thin. Very low bmi. Actually had gained a few pounds before getting pregnant with dd2 and dd3 because I had just stopped breastfeeding but was still underweight for my height.
OMG, how will I ever have a boy...??? Just reading this makes me depressed, lol.
Not sure about timing with any of them but I think they were all pretty close to O. HTH!
You can do it, 3 little stars!!!!
Gosh ladies...this is such an informative thread! I have been stalking gender forums for days now (staying up waaaaay too late too). I need some serious help!
I have 4 sons and we are going to try once more for a daughter.
Pregnancy history?
DS 1 - conceived 3rd try (first 2 attempts on clomid 50) - when bumped to 100mg - bam!
baby lost at 10 weeks gestation (conceived on clomid 100mg first try)
DS2 - Adopted from Ethiopia! :)
DS 3 #4 - twins conceived 1st round with follistim/IUI
Biggest issue for me is PCOS.
We did not need IUI, but the RE told me it upped the chances of getting pregnant.
This next go around I want to tell my RE that we are going to try timed intercourse.
Should I contribute my bio sons to my PCOS? Especially the IUI which gave me the twins...because otherwise I'm a little stumped. I love dairy foods and sweets (I could eat cake like things all day long). At 5'7" and 150 lbs, I am not overweight, but am going to try to get back down to my college weight (15 lbs lighter)...
My PCOS diagnosis is due to high testosterone and very irregular/missed periods.
So much of the girl sway is unrelated to PCOS and I have yet to see an informative thread about injectables/IUI and swaying pink....
Anyone have suggestions on diet? I don't cook with a lot of salt, but we do eat ground turkey and chicken a ton...
Generally I shy away from noodles, rice, starchy veggies.
My RE will most likely put me back on Metformin and progesterone and then follistim followed by an HCG trigger shot when my eggs (though hopefully only just one this time!) are ripe.
I would be overjoyed if anyone could point me in the right direction as far as diet and supplements for my specific predicament.
I understand exercise/weight loss will play a huge roll....I'm on it.
Otherwise, I feel totally lost.
Katie
wife to Tim (7 1/2 yrs)
mom to Cale (5), Megersa (2 1/2), Thaddeus & Shepherd (14 months) :)
Welcome fourunderfour! I'm sorry I don't have any info for you b/c I do not deal with PCOS and unfamiliar with IUI, but just wanted to say that your children have beautiful names!! I LOVE the name Shepherd.Quote:
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Bumping this up for you so Atomic sees it ...Quote:
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Thanks so much! Boy names can be tough - so many little girls are getting boy names, so we had to try and find some super masculine ones (well, with Megersa, we kept his Ethiopian name). ;)
Hi four, sorry for not getting back more quickly but one of my older sons is taking his driving exam later this week and I've been trying to drive with him as much as I could the last few days becasue we really need for him to pass!!
IUI does sway blue. The reason why there aren't any threads about how to sway pink while doing IUI is because when you do IUI, you bypass all the things that probably sway and put sperm directly at egg. High numbers of capacitated (washed) sperm at the egg = more boys unfortunately.
You CAN'T do timed intercourse with IUI or do any swaying at all. The odds of getting pg with IUI are not super high to begin with, and you need to do whatever it takes to get pg when you do IUI. You were very lucky to get pg your first round of IUI - typically it takes more cycles than that and that is with ideal timing. If you start messing around with timing, you are only wasting your money on cycles that won't achieve pregnancy. Timing doesn't sway anyway, so you only reduce your odds of success for something that does not even sway to begin with.
My advice would be to skip the IUI and return to the Clomid (as long as you're under 35). Clomid sways pink, and while PCOS does tend to sway blue, and people do conceive both boys and girls on Clomid, there are still plenty of women with PCOS who've conceived girls on Clomid (Kate Gosselin conceived 5!)
If you have high testosterone, you're more "set" for boys regardless of what you eat. There is conflicting data on whether high dairy intake even sways pink anyway. I conceived 4 boys eating tons of dairy, one of whom was a failed sway where I was also popping cal-mag-Vit. D supps like a madwoman, then I conceived my DD while I was eating the lowest dairy intake I've ever had in my entire life. On this site we've had 15 successes of people swaying without taking cal-mag, and only 5 opposites - at the same time, the people who were taking the cal-mag and eating dairy had 13 successes and 13 opposites. The data simply does not support the idea that dairy intake sways pink. Please read the following essays for more info about that (three part essay with links in the first essay to the other two)http://genderdreaming.com/forum/tryi...roversial.html
Cake doesn't sway pink, high blood sugar sways blue so if you eat cake all day long, your blood sugar stays elevated all day. Also, if you ate cake with milk, the sugar in the cake causes your blood sugar to rise and then the protein in the milk keeps it high longer. For swaying pink, you want LOW blood sugar. Also, for people with PCOS (who cannot digest carbs as effectively as others can) the more carbs you eat, the higher your blood sugar goes and with PCOS, high blood sugar = high testosterone. You may have been swaying blue with PCOS, and a high dairy, high cake diet!!
My point is, your diet was VERY VERY VERY blue-friendly for you with your PCOS, and so I wouldn't hesitate to try swaying again with Clomid on a different diet. If that is not an option medically and you need IUI, I suggest looking into one of the sperm spinning methods and the HT crew can help you with that - you might want to message Ashkash and ask her because she went that route.
Hi Atomic,
There are a few things that I need to correct, for fear that my initial question suggested I only did certain things.
I have already been on clomid and conceived a boy (and another I lost). After I had my m/c they bumped my clomid to 150mg and my body wasn't responding so I was told it had "run it's course."
So, we did follistim with our twins.
I could suggest to my RE at the end of this month that I'd like to be on clomid, but I can almost guarantee she would consider it a waste of time with it proving to be ineffective in the past 3-4 cycles I've used it. And that makes sense. Clomid has way more side effects than injectables...
That being said, we do not NEED IUI. We merely used it because the RE docs here said it would help us get pregnant - bumping the odds of conception from 15% to 18%.
I understand now that sways blue, which is why we will try timed intercourse instead this time (I know you can't do both IUI and TI...but you can do follistim and TI - a friend of mine just had a baby GIRL using that method).
I will also say that I COULD eat cake all day - not that I do. Basically that I like sweets but not that I indulge in them or did when ttc my sons.
I was on metformin and progesterone when doing follistim (supposedly swaying pink?) but it was probably cancelled out by the IUI.
There is some that say IUI could favors girls in that many of the weaker XY sperm do not survive the wash...but other thoughts are that it is really just equal attempt since the sperm is placed directly next to the egg. :think:
ANYWAY...we aren't necessarily "wasting money" with doing infertility treatments. We have a HUGE cap before we aren't covered anymore - and we can do up to 6 IUI and 3 IVF cycles for free.
This will be our last pregnancy and it hasn't taken me more than 3 months to get pregnant with the 3 I achieved before - but we were just following orders from the doc w/ when to dtd.
I guess I just need to look at diet. My dx of pcos is it b/c of high testosterone and irregular periods.
Kate Gosselin was most likely a unique case at best. Seems as though they were not monitoring her at all. Most of my friends using fertility meds do not have multiples...
I have read the calcium essay you mentioned once before so I am not convinced it is best for me - esp with higher testosterone.
As far as sperm spinning - I've have found and called only 1 place that can do anything with regards to gender selection (we do not believe in PGD) - and they do not do microsort. Their quote for a girl was up to 65% at best with IUI, but I dont think it'd be worth $1450 a cycle with those odds...
what would you suggest for diet? Are you sorta saying that the odds of conceiving a girl are VERY slim...b/c that's kinda what I'm getting. :tissue:
Oh, and thanks for getting back to me. :)
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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
1)Yes, if you weren't responding to Clomid then you have to move onto Follistim. From what you'd written it sounded like the RE's had moved you onto IUI possibly because of your loss on Clomid - they do that sometimes.
2)There was just a woman on here who had talked her doctor into doing a so-called "girl timing" with IUI and she was not doing good timing at all for IUI, and reducing her odds of conception by quite a lot. I just wanted to make sure that's not what you were talking about. You can absolutely conceive naturally on Follistim and in your circumstances, that's what I would recommend since you'd like to try some swaying tactics. Timing doesn't sway and I just don't want you to waste your time or money doing IUI with less than optimal timing, if that makes sense.
3)Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you ate cake all day long or would. I was simply attempting to explain why you can eat foods that appear to be pink friendly and still conceive boys. It's totally possible to eat sweets and conceive boys, I've done it 4 times over! ;)
4)Metformin does sway pink, but the problem with IUI is, you are placing lots of capacitated sperm very close to the egg and you totally avoid things like the vaginal environment, CM, glucose levels (which would be where the Metformin would come in anyway) and other things that may sway along the way. I'm not saying no one ever gets girls with IUI, far from it, but I do believe more boys are conceived that way. Like with everything having to do with swaying/fertility, there are studies that point both ways but I think the data supports it.
5)Y sperm are not weaker than X sperm, that's been debunked. Please read the following essays for a full explanation of this. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...le-timing.html http://genderdreaming.com/forum/scie...m-y-sperm.html
6)Sorry again, I'm not trying to imply you're wasting money on fertility treatments, I'm trying to help ensure that you DON'T waste time/money attempting to sway while going HT. As you already know, IUI has to be carefully timed to make sure that the sperm are present at the right time. From what you said it appeared to me like you were considering altering timing of your IUI to include some sort of Shettles techniques (which have been debunked anyway) and since it's recently been brought to my attention that at least one fertility clinic is doing this, I was concerned for your sake. That's not the case for you, clearly. I also wanted to warn you against trying to lower your husband's sperm count or either of you taking swaying supps, because you need to have good numbers of healthy sperm and optimal conditions in your uterus and tubes for the IUI to work - pink swaying generally consists of methods that are sperm-hostile. It's great that IUI worked so easily for you thus far, that hasn't been the case for everyone unfortunately and I'm trying to look out for your best interest.
6)The only reason I mention Kate Gosselin was to give you hope that it's totally possible to conceive girls even when you have PCOS. Kate was actually being quite closely monitored, her IUI had been cancelled because she had so many follicles, and she had natural intercourse against her doctor's orders when she conceived the sextuplets. That's neither here nor there but there are women with PCOS who have girls, that's all I'm saying. Please don't give up hope.
7)Microsort is off the table unfortunately, they've decided not to pursue the technology (altho it may be still possible in Mexico and the HT ladies will know more about that.) There are the spinning technologies available - I personally am in agreement with you, I wouldn't spend the money on it either but I did want you to be aware of their existence.
8)I am absolutely NOT telling you your odds of conceiving a girl are slim. I'm simply saying a) don't sway while doing IUI b) IUI may not be the best method for you if you want to sway (which is why I suggested Clomid). I believe, and I feel that the data supports, the idea that it is the sperm's journey to the egg that sways and IUI bypasses much of that journey. But plenty of women DO get girls from IUI. I simply don't want you to ruin your odds of pregnancy if IUI was the best option for you to conceive with. If you can't get pregnant, you have no chances of your DG.
Please understand I can not read minds and can only go off of the snapshot of data I get from your post...I can't know your medical history as I'm sure you can understand. I'm terribly sorry if I've given any offense, it was not at all my intention.
Atomic,
Thanks again for writing back to me.
I'm not an easily offended person, so please don't apologize! :) I hope I didn't seem snotty to you!! All of this swaying stuff is so confusing and SO different for each person that that is overwhelming in and of itself - so when adding on fertility issues, its kinda making me a lil batty!
I get the feeling that we were 'encouraged' to do IUI b/c it makes the RE more money, not because of the m/c. We lost baby #2 when living in another state and adopted DS#2 in the meantime....
We are not going to do IUI for conception this time...so we are essentially working with follistim, HCG (trigger shot) and timed intercourse. (Well, with me being on metformin and progesterone too)
(Interesting to know about Kate G though - thanks for telling me! I surely thought there had to have been something off for her to conceive so many with clomid!!)
If timing has been 'debunked' and supplements are debunked (note: hubby's sperm is "champion sperm" according to our RE)...what WILL help?
Diet and exercise? Would you recommend the LE diet for someone with PCOS and higher testosterone (note: mine is on the "low side of high"?
And can I ask why Clomid is suppose to sway pink so much? Because it lowers estrogen?
I'm still at a huge loss....I feel like I have absolutely no idea what to do.
What would YOU do if you were me?
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fourunderfour - I'm posting this link on swaying and PCOS in case you haven't already seen it:
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...rt-3-pcos.html