Complete pink swaying statistics spreadsheet

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

that's fascinating, thanks Mariposa! I'd be interested to see what other combos you can derive from it :)

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the other conclussions that I have seen are probably more foreseeable, around the frequence, the clomid, the quantity of sperm inside...but specially the combination "LR+1" attempt draw my attention because there were a reasonable number of swayers (12) using it, using (very) different kind of sway tactics, so the common element were the LR and something envolved with it and the that makes along with a little sample (one attempt)... :think:
We know that LR reduces sperm count, X and Y, but 12 success from 12 (different tactics) sways, makes me think about the idea of the "primitive comunication" which atomic said, or something like this, maybe altering some element of the sperm liquid, maybe glucose level, and making more capable of survive to the x ones. We know a XX embryo is stronger than an XY embryo, so if the egg is always X, we could asume that X is "stronger" and Y "weaker" with independence of they survive the same amount of time, or speed the same fast which I totally believe, but maybe the Y needs more energy (like the XY embryo), to reach the egg and LR in some way makes a poor nutrient sperm...well of course I don´t know, just things that I think to explain the high success in 12 different sways between them, anyway it´s very interesting.... for sure, it´s not a magic bullet or a 100% but can help to decide if include or not to women who are thinking about it... :think:

Wow Thanks rainbowflower fab info .....

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Originally Posted by Dreamofpink

When does the body just give up on ov for the month and get on with af? I've never ov'd later than cd22.

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It is totally unique by individual and even from month to month unfortunately.

If it goes on too long your doc should give you a shot to bring on AF.

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

I wonder if all that lemon/lime/vinegar douching contributed to all the YI they had!

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I totally believe this to be the case (the IG Blue swayers were also plagued with them becos of baking soda douches and fingers) and so by virtue of forgoing douches and doing jelly + antihistamine instead, maybe people won't even need to use probiotics.

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Originally Posted by suregena

WOW. This is so comprehensive and must have taken forever to put together! Amazing. I went and checked through mine, which was already on there, and everything is correct. Although, I noticed later on that vegetarian diet you only have 1 person on there and a 0% success rate? My husband and I are both vegetarian and I do think that helped. Wasn't sure if it's something you wanted to add or not since that's my normal and his normal diet, anyway, but I still feel as though it was a factor for us. So I was like doing a hardcore veg LE diet in the beginning but then a more relaxed veg LE diet by conception. But it was still all vegetarian, obviously.


That is really amazing, though... kudos for all of that hard work! Wowza.

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Y'know there may be something of statistical interest in husbands who have gone veg vs. those who ate meat.

BTW Rainbow I just want to point out that you should NOT feel pressure to do or add anything more onto this than you yourself wish to. What you have done is great and if anyone wants to tease it out any more than that then I hope they feel free to do it (rather than asking YOU to.) I know you're not going to sway for awhile but I'm still fretting over your T levels. :)

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Originally Posted by Butterfly Spirit

All mine is correct except # of attempts. There were 2. :)

Just for fun though I wish month of conception could be added.

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it can be if you'd like to go add them up and report back. I don't want Rainbow to feel like she has to do all this herself, KWIM??

Butterfly - updated!
suregena - for the diet I just went with what people were doing during the conception cycle, even if they had done a different swaying diet or other before it!

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Originally Posted by mommymachine

Crap, no doctor would ever give me clomid...I get pregnant just by washing my clothes with my DHs.

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Me to i had to tell a few fibs to get clomid off my doctor but he gave me without any tests or monitoring! We've caught first month with all three of the boys Although from the looks of it you have your little girl anyway so i presume you are no longer swaying - moot point, congratulations!!

Just out of interest to rainbow the clomid stats look good and i really think it works but just wondering how you dealt with the boy part of the boy girl twins we've been seeing. Although there mamas are very happy (and rightly so too) there sways technically failed as well as succeed so counting the twins and the opposites (there were 2 i know of on here for definite, possibly more?) i've seen 4 boys born on clomid which compared to the 9 girls is still a good stat but less than 90% success over all the babies?

My thoughts on diet to, whilst it does work it is hard to compare between girls as my 'weak' diet when i'd been on it for a while and started to break (which yes it is hard living on nothing but dairylea sandwiches and plain pasta for months!) was still stronger than a lot of girls 'strict' diets and was still well within the limits. People have different ideas of a strict diet and do struggle when time elapses if they are really strict to begin with (only my 2 cents worth though)

Not sure if it matters for your chart but i did vitex and sp cycles before the clomid (which AS did recommend and the vitex did really effect my cycle and temperament and was probably still in my system) and my dh took calcium and magnesium supplement. I also took a fiber supplement and the gender calendar thing said girl for us (not that i think it has much if any weight at all as they are all different anyway!). Sorry if that sounds picky as i know how hard something like that is to put together and you can completely ignore this if you like as i think the main points of the sway are well covered regardless

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Y'know there may be something of statistical interest in husbands who have gone veg vs. those who ate meat.

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Do you think on or the other may sway then?

I would think vegetarian men would be already naturally lower in testosterone then maybe a man who eats a meaty meat meat diet... which is what I was crossing my fingers for. Maybe my son was my real bit of magic and not my daughter to be! We now wonder if maybe we were always more likely to have girls. Who knows!

it is recommended as part of a sway that your dh goes veggie if possible, mine ate way less meat than normal

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INFO.


Before I discoverd this whole gender swaying thing I ended up with 2 boys, & I know now why, where can I put my info that is not through sway though, I don't want to wreck your data sheet? But I feel it is useful what I have to say through experience.

For both boys I ate cereal with bananas, berries and yogurt every single day. I just found out a Dutch study proves the cereal/healthy breakfast thing is about 80%, so I am living proof of it. I have always had healthy breakfasts. But I must correct myself, in all honesty, I did suffer a miscarriage between the two I was trying to reduce salt and going on a Girl Diet, but once I misscarried due to the blue period I ate lots of salty things & unintentionally/unplanned fell pregnant with BOY 2. However contrary to typical blue sway I rarely eat meat yet I have boys!

I will tell you I noticed friends & my sister in law that were eating an abundance of eggs prior to pregnancy ended up with girls. My sister in law had also gone on a drastic diet of low/no salt and she loves eggs (not to do with conceiving a girl but just for health reasons), it got her a girl when she wanted a boy). Organic eggs have less cholestrol (60% less than regular as the chickens are not stressed releasing hormones, causing higher levels of cholestrol & possible).

I thought I should share what I figured.

Hey! I just wanted to correct some information on my statistic. I did use Antihistamine while BD and we BD through or at OV because I never received a +OPK. We BD for 2 weeks I think every day and a couple times twice a day. Thanks for doing this!

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

Firstly, can anyone who gets their sway results from now on please add your sway to the spreadsheet using the following link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...M4bFE6MQ#gid=1
even if you get an opposite, it can help those planning future sways by making the statistics more accurate.

The results are here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...ThSSDBiQWM4bFE

The first sheet lists all the sways added. At the top are the results for those who tried each basic aspect of swaying (the yes/no answers). This includes:

• exercise
• supplements
• douches
• jump and dump
• old wives tales
• etc.

The second sheet has the more complex statistics for:

• diet
• number of attempts
• timing
• frequency
• length of time on diet

Obviously because we are all doing so many factors for a sway it's hard to know whether it's the individual one that is swaying or because it's a mixture of things, but it's an interesting guide.

I have already added all the sways with results I found in the "Add your sway" section, the "swaying trends" thread, and the other swaying spreadsheet. So if you have already swayed and had results you will need to check that you aren't already in there. Thank you to Mariposa and Peanut41 for compiling the results I used too. xx

Note: The statistics do not automatically update when new sways are added so I need to manually do this. It's a limitation of the tool unfortunately.

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OH really only eats chicken and fish (tuna, cod, mussels). Would he need to drop both or just the chicken?

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Originally Posted by GeCon

OH really only eats chicken and fish (tuna, cod, mussels). Would he need to drop both or just the chicken?

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My husband continued his normal diet while I swayed. He ate red meat everyday as well as chicken and eggs. Anything that has protein he eats! Lol! We have 2 boys and now are expecting a girl! I really think maternal condition is what sways.

updated the antihistamines for you lilpumpkin - thank you :)

I think I am on here twice. One says Lobella and one says Lobella2. On my sway under name I guess I put Lobella and didn't add the 2 so maybe that is why there was confusion. The one that says Lobella is more accurate, (mainly because it has more info on it) but I did an LE diet with a few IG things included and I only used rephresh the first month I tried, but not the month I conceived. Sorry for the confusion, I just want to make sure the info is as accurate as possible:happy: Thank you for taking the time to do this it looks great!

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

lol I thought they both were just very low pH gels/lubes that are used as a one off, but I guess by that measure Replens ought to go in that category too! The category is not about using them together, it's using sylk OR acijel.I could separate them out but don't have the time now to go through all of them and check which said which.

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I used to sit in a **** all day and look at spreadsheets and look for trends in data so I finally sat down with Excel and played with this spreadsheet.

I'm not done yet but had to post this right away. I looked at the boy/girl column and the aci-jel/sylk column. I can't find if KnockYourBallsOff used AciJel or sylk but all of the ladies who got boys and had YES in the acijel/sylk column used *sylk* and not Aci-Jel. I'm still going through the ones who got girls but that was rather surprising that every one I looked at used Sylk and got boys.

Let me also say a big thank you to rainbowflower for making this spreadsheet!

Also, take everything in this spreadsheet with a grain of salt. When looking at data it's super helpful to have massive qtys of data so you can determine outliers. While this is great, sadly we just don't have enough data on people who swayed yet to draw any blanket conclusions at all. All of us who are swaying are actually on the cutting edge of new research and this is all super exciting to think that maybe in 5-10 years we'll have enough data to draw more concrete conclusions about what does and doesn't work for swaying. Thanks ladies. <3

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Originally Posted by mariposa

the other conclussions that I have seen are probably more foreseeable, around the frequence, the clomid, the quantity of sperm inside...but specially the combination "LR+1" attempt draw my attention because there were a reasonable number of swayers (12) using it, using (very) different kind of sway tactics, so the common element were the LR and something envolved with it and the that makes along with a little sample (one attempt)... :think:
We know that LR reduces sperm count, X and Y, but 12 success from 12 (different tactics) sways, makes me think about the idea of the "primitive comunication" which atomic said, or something like this, maybe altering some element of the sperm liquid, maybe glucose level, and making more capable of survive to the x ones. We know a XX embryo is stronger than an XY embryo, so if the egg is always X, we could asume that X is "stronger" and Y "weaker" with independence of they survive the same amount of time, or speed the same fast which I totally believe, but maybe the Y needs more energy (like the XY embryo), to reach the egg and LR in some way makes a poor nutrient sperm...well of course I don´t know, just things that I think to explain the high success in 12 different sways between them, anyway it´s very interesting.... for sure, it´s not a magic bullet or a 100% but can help to decide if include or not to women who are thinking about it... :think:

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What's LR?

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Originally Posted by meeks32

What's LR?

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Liquorice Root?

WOW! Thanks for putting in the time and effort to get this info together.

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Originally Posted by lobella2

I think I am on here twice. One says Lobella and one says Lobella2. On my sway under name I guess I put Lobella and didn't add the 2 so maybe that is why there was confusion. The one that says Lobella is more accurate, (mainly because it has more info on it) but I did an LE diet with a few IG things included and I only used rephresh the first month I tried, but not the month I conceived. Sorry for the confusion, I just want to make sure the info is as accurate as possible:happy: Thank you for taking the time to do this it looks great!

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updated - thank you!

Thanks so much for doing this, that's awesome! It also has grounded me again which my DH keeps trying to make me remember - regardless of all the extra things it's only 60% successful... which if I'm like most and have a 50/50 shot it's not bumping my odds THAT much. I was going SO sway obsessed thinking it was the be all end all.. but it's so true that a large portion is luck and luck could have a large part to play in most of these stats.. who knows!

So it's great to be reminded that these things can help.. but not to let them control your life (as it was doing mine). Thanks again for the effort - amazing!

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

Thanks so much for doing this, that's awesome! It also has grounded me again which my DH keeps trying to make me remember - regardless of all the extra things it's only 60% successful... which if I'm like most and have a 50/50 shot it's not bumping my odds THAT much. I was going SO sway obsessed thinking it was the be all end all.. but it's so true that a large portion is luck and luck could have a large part to play in most of these stats.. who knows!

So it's great to be reminded that these things can help.. but not to let them control your life (as it was doing mine). Thanks again for the effort - amazing!

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we don't know that the majority of women on here could have been 80-20 in favour of blue before swaying at all, so it could still be upping your chances by more than 10%

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

we don't know that the majority of women on here could have been 80-20 in favour of blue before swaying at all, so it could still be upping your chances by more than 10%

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I agree with this for sure! I just keep hearing people say everyone is 50/50 - even though I totally believe people can be 90-10% like myself HA ;)

I just meant more if you're trying to make a less accurate statement.. everyones 50/50 roughly so maybe 10% it helps. BUT, at the same time.. lots of people that got girls could have had so many others unknown factors that we can't even begin to imagine that added to that *rough* 10% to make it more 25% for them.. who knows! The bottom line is it's so unknown and you can do everything to perfection and still get a boy.. it's not 100% and I just have to remind myself of that often. But there are so many things on here that have results that show it works.. so I'm not doubting that at all.. just saying I've convinced myself it's almost a guarantee that if I eat 1 small piece of meat that I'm having a boy. Or vice versa that I'm doing such a strict diet that it's a guarantee I'll have a girl... Definitely not doubting anyones research!

What's compressed frequent release??

Thank you for this spreadsheet. It is awesome. I'm going to study it for my upcoming girl sway. Thanks again for all the work that went into it.

Thanks so much rainbow!

So what are we all thinking for cal/mag now? This seems to indicate it sways pink?!

Does anyone know the stats they got for cal/mag on IG since its more promoted there?

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Originally Posted by mommymachine

What's compressed frequent release??

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it's a short-term frequent release. When the time comes to make your attempt(s) you get OH to release and discard once, or maybe twice in close succession. This empties out his supplies. Then you DTD within 8 hours, and can keep DTDing every 8 hours or so if you want more attempts. It's useful for timing it at pos OPK, or if you can't for some reason manage abstaining or daily FR for a long period; i.e. irregular cycles, time apart, DH with less stamina, etc. Also useful if you were planning to FR and miss a day, or abstain and something goes wrong.
a study has shown it significantly lowers sperm count, IMO possibly more than regular FR because it's so drastic at emptying them to begin with

Thank you Rainbow Flower - this is superb!

May I please check that spreadsheet two is a continuation (page break) from page 1 - so the rows should match up to forum names? I am interested in having a look a little deeper at some of the data, and knowing the names for page two will make that easier!

Also, echo-ing Mrs Magoo - can anyone pop in a link here to the background of mag component of the ca/mag supplementation?
Here is the calcium stuff I think Mrs Magoo ... :http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-...roversial.html and http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-...-part-2-a.html

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Originally Posted by lollylegs

Thank you Rainbow Flower - this is superb!

May I please check that spreadsheet two is a continuation (page break) from page 1 - so the rows should match up to forum names? I am interested in having a look a little deeper at some of the data, and knowing the names for page two will make that easier!

Also, echo-ing Mrs Magoo - can anyone pop in a link here to the background of mag component of the ca/mag supplementation?
Here is the calcium stuff I think Mrs Magoo ... :http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-...roversial.html and http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-...-part-2-a.html

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yes the rows should line up... but there isn't any info on there individual-sway-wise that isn't on the first page

I don't think I can convince DH to abstain. And FR is against our religion. So really my only option is Frequent BD. DH is only 25 so if we BD twice a day from AF to three days after O we should be good right??

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Originally Posted by mommymachine

I don't think I can convince DH to abstain. And FR is against our religion. So really my only option is Frequent BD. DH is only 25 so if we BD twice a day from AF to three days after O we should be good right??

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could you BD using a condom on alternate days so you can choose how many attempts you have, or have you help him to release so he's not doing that on his own and without BDing..?

Thanks for trying to help! But every sexual act has to be open to new life. So everything is allowed in foreplay but he always has to finish in me. So no condoms. And no him doing it himself. Hmmm. I could try talking him into abstaining. But would BD everyday still sway girl if I used aci-jel to keep pH down??

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Originally Posted by mommymachine

Thanks for trying to help! But every sexual act has to be open to new life. So everything is allowed in foreplay but he always has to finish in me. So no condoms. And no him doing it himself. Hmmm. I could try talking him into abstaining. But would BD everyday still sway girl if I used aci-jel to keep pH down??

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oh that's fascinating, what religion is that if you don't mind me asking? I was thinking it was just the DIY that was forbidden ;)

yes BD every day would still sway pink with a lowering lube/gel such as that or RepHresh.
Abstain might be easier to do if you want fewer attempts or worry about CM pH or hormones, but I guess really shallow finish plus immediate J&D would work too. Also, if he got close without BD and then finished shallow so minimal BDing... that would affect your hormones and CM less too.

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

oh that's fascinating, what religion is that if you don't mind me asking? I was thinking it was just the DIY that was forbidden ;)

yes BD every day would still sway pink with a lowering lube/gel such as that or RepHresh.
Abstain might be easier to do if you want fewer attempts or worry about CM pH or hormones, but I guess really shallow finish plus immediate J&D would work too. Also, if he got close without BD and then finished shallow so minimal BDing... that would affect your hormones and CM less too.

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Thank you! We are Roman Catholic. The only birth control that is allowed is Natural Family Planning. So that's why I'm desperate for help on this. That's all very good info/advice thanks again!

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Originally Posted by GeCon

OH really only eats chicken and fish (tuna, cod, mussels). Would he need to drop both or just the chicken?

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No. My DH ate red meat all the time when we were swaying. He also ate eggs several times a week (and he eats a LOT of eggs at one sitting, 4-6)

It's jsut something that may help a little bit and can't hurt.

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Originally Posted by BabyGirl4Me

I used to sit in a **** all day and look at spreadsheets and look for trends in data so I finally sat down with Excel and played with this spreadsheet.

I'm not done yet but had to post this right away. I looked at the boy/girl column and the aci-jel/sylk column. I can't find if KnockYourBallsOff used AciJel or sylk but all of the ladies who got boys and had YES in the acijel/sylk column used *sylk* and not Aci-Jel. I'm still going through the ones who got girls but that was rather surprising that every one I looked at used Sylk and got boys.

Let me also say a big thank you to rainbowflower for making this spreadsheet!

Also, take everything in this spreadsheet with a grain of salt. When looking at data it's super helpful to have massive qtys of data so you can determine outliers. While this is great, sadly we just don't have enough data on people who swayed yet to draw any blanket conclusions at all. All of us who are swaying are actually on the cutting edge of new research and this is all super exciting to think that maybe in 5-10 years we'll have enough data to draw more concrete conclusions about what does and doesn't work for swaying. Thanks ladies. <3

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^^^^This

I know of several people both here and on IG who used Acijel and got boys, and several people who got girls using Sylk (babydust). I'm not sure if they posted their sways or not (Pink Carol comes to mind)

Sylk is a better lube so if you need a lube desperately, I think the Sylk is a better bet. On paper I have a hard time believing that Sylk is swaying strongly blue for people - it harms sperm and is low in pH. I wonder if it may be something like, if your or DH's fertility is high enough to withstand the Sylk and still get you pg, you may be more blue-friendly to begin with (higher sperm numbers and/or more CM to dilute the Sylk) are already more likely to have boys. People who are able to get pg while using Sylk are a preselected group to begin with, if you see what I'm saying.

That's why stats can be so tricksy. ;)

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Originally Posted by mommymachine

I don't think I can convince DH to abstain. And FR is against our religion. So really my only option is Frequent BD. DH is only 25 so if we BD twice a day from AF to three days after O we should be good right??

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Why 3 days after O? you can stop sooner if you want to - odds of pg are between slim and none as soon as the next day after O. You may even want to try for a cutoff - I don't think cutoffs sway of course, but it is a way to ensure you'd have less sperm in your repro tract.

I think this is a good solution for you (and it's also how Nuthinbutpink got her girls) but try to keep in mind, frequency as a part of an overall sway probably doesn't sway by too awfully much.

Cool! It exist something like this for boy swayers too?