Feel low and almost ready to give up hope

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

You need to drop the saw palmetto and B6 right away (drop SP, wean off B6) THose are notorious for delaying ovulation.

You are taking A TON of stuff that sways blue. B6, Zinc, B12 - all these things sway BLUE. Acidophilus also swayed blue and is the only supplement we ever used that got WORSE than 50-50. We dropped it from pink sways and now use them only for blue (with great results for boys BTW)

The doses on your Zinc and magnesium are actually dangerously high. YOu CANNOT take that much of those things, it's overdose levels no matter what they tell you on the other sites. Please wean back to no more than 15 mg zinc a day and 200 mg mag.

ARe you also taking Vit. E?? How much? Firstly it sways blue, and secondly the high dose Vit. E that they recommend on the other site are dangerous for your health and inhibit cell division which if you do get pregnant, may make you more likely to have a miscarriage.

Pseudoephedrine is DANGEROUS especially when taking cranberry. Please either use antihistamine or drop all together. IF you have no EWCM then there is no reason to take it anyway.

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Thank you atomic, question about zinc...I looked up the symptoms if you have too much and it say one of the 1st symptoms is diahorra, don't have this and lu key no other bad symptoms, in fact I used to suffer from really bad acne! When I 1st started taking them I didn't see the connection until I forgot to take them for a few days when I broken out in very deep very sore acne which very quickly disappeared when I started supps back up, so if I reduced the amount of zinc will it still keep my skin cleared? I'm loving the clearer skin! 1st time I have been confident in my skin in years!
Also you said pseudoephedrine shouldn't be taken with cranberry, pseudoephedrine is sudofed so sudofed shouldn't be taken with cranberry right?
I'm confused now what should I be taking to sway girl then, is my diet ok?

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Originally Posted by twointow83

Uh... with that kind of history ignore everything I said. Seriously! Too much risk involved if you could be preg and not know it! This is above my "pay grade" and without a blood test and prob an u/s I wouldn't move forward to inducing AF. (((Hugs))) I know it is frustrating but with your history assume you are preg until proven otherwise.

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Thank for all your advice twointow83! but don't panic, I'm definitely not pregnant now, not on bcp, but using other birth control (condoms) until next month which is why I am trying to sort them now so what happened 1st time doesn't happen again.
Plus I know the symptoms of being pregnant now so it won't be like 1st time. :wink:

2nd pregnancy was diff again was trying and have af, they wasn't going missing but they were irregular never the same length but no more than 40 days at a time but it took months before I concieved.
3rd I was again trying for months not happening same afs as above on number 2 after a year of trying gave up circumstances changed went back on bcp, at one point was vomiting it up and concieved at that point.

Hi girls my doc phoned me back today and she is very reluctant to do anything other to send me for a scan to check my ovaries, I asked about drugs to induce a af, but she said there is drugs that make you have a bleed but none that actually force an af to arrive. Just going to have to wait 2 weeks for scan then go back to discuss the results, then go from there.:sad::worry::nails:

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Originally Posted by twointow83

I agree that her doctor definitely needs to do more testing if this continues to be an issue and that the OTC stuff is for women in menopause. However, I have been in her shoes. Back then I saw 3 gyns and neither would do anything for me but recommend BCPs.I was TTC so obviously that was not what was going to help me. My cycles were completely annovulatory. I waited about 6+ months each time, over a year the first time, praying each time that it would be the cycle that would be the one I would ovulate and get pregnant, but I nevet did until I moved to another state and got my current OB who got involved and did what was necessary. I dont want to cause issues here, I really don't, but the BIP can induce AF... not at recommended doses because you are correct in saying they are made for hormonal therapy but they do work at higher doses. Not unsafely high, just higher than recommended. I also agree that if she is about to ovulate taking the BIP would mess that up, which is why I feel her doctor should be more involved but unfortunately many doctors feel that because they went to med school that they know everything and we know nothing. I personally know the frustration and stress that comes with cycles that go on and on and I worry this stress will keep her from ovulating at all thus my recommendation of a fresh start and pushing for more testing if it continues. Again, not trying to stir the pot... that's the last thing I want. Just trying to use my experience and knowledge to help someone, just as you do. I truely hope it is an issue of miscommunication with her doc and her doc will Rx the prometrium, as this is really the best possible outcome because of all the reasons I mentioned before.Then she can use the SI for TTC next cycle since her doc won't Rx Clomid. But if not I don't want her to feel the helplessness that I felt for so long. HopeI am not stepping on toes. Just trying to help.

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I do totally understand that and trust me, I see this kind of thing constantly with doctors refusing to help.

At some point it starts to be worth the gamble to do things to bring on AF. Some have gotten Provera from other sources and used it - and this can work, although I don't like to take the gamble, I have a couple of times. I have seen several people try to use the BIP to bring on AF and it hasn't worked. So then we take the gamble on delaying O for no benefit. I'm not saying it couldn't work for someone but I do think it may depend on where a person is in their cycle and since I've seen it not work for several people I just don't feel good about recommending it to people. I also have to take into consideration that there could be people out there who could be pregnant and just not far enough along to register on a test (and sadly I have had people who ignored my recommendations and did things like parsley tea and so on only to find out that they were pregnant all along!!) Thus, I stick with my recommendation which is, except in the rarest of the rare cases I am very hesitant to have anyone go this route.

I do not think that she is "there yet" in needing to take the chance on this. :)

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Originally Posted by Beautifulrainbow

Hi girls my doc phoned me back today and she is very reluctant to do anything over to send me for a scan to check my ovaries, I asked about drugs to induce a af, but she said there is drugs that make you have a bleed but none that actually force an af to arrive. Just going to have to wait 2 weeks for scan then go back to discuss the results, then go from there.:sad::worry::nails:

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ARGH but the bleed still resets the hormones even though it isn't a true AF. :/ The scan is good though, at least you'll know what is going on in there!! Keep me posted and once we know that we can decide what to do.

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Originally Posted by Beautifulrainbow

Thank you atomic, question about zinc...I looked up the symptoms if you have too much and it say one of the 1st symptoms is diahorra, don't have this and lu key no other bad symptoms, in fact I used to suffer from really bad acne! When I 1st started taking them I didn't see the connection until I forgot to take them for a few days when I broken out in very deep very sore acne which very quickly disappeared when I started supps back up, so if I reduced the amount of zinc will it still keep my skin cleared? I'm loving the clearer skin! 1st time I have been confident in my skin in years!
Also you said pseudoephedrine shouldn't be taken with cranberry, pseudoephedrine is sudofed so sudofed shouldn't be taken with cranberry right?
I'm confused now what should I be taking to sway girl then, is my diet ok?

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I do not know if the zinc at a lower dose will keep your skin clear. Personally I would err on the side of caution and stick with the lower dose but that is your call to make.

Sudofed = pseudoephedrine. Either use antihistamine or drop all together.

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

I do totally understand that and trust me, I see this kind of thing constantly with doctors refusing to help.

At some point it starts to be worth the gamble to do things to bring on AF. Some have gotten Provera from other sources and used it - and this can work, although I don't like to take the gamble, I have a couple of times. I have seen several people try to use the BIP to bring on AF and it hasn't worked. So then we take the gamble on delaying O for no benefit. I'm not saying it couldn't work for someone but I do think it may depend on where a person is in their cycle and since I've seen it not work for several people I just don't feel good about recommending it to people. I also have to take into consideration that there could be people out there who could be pregnant and just not far enough along to register on a test (and sadly I have had people who ignored my recommendations and did things like parsley tea and so on only to find out that they were pregnant all along!!) Thus, I stick with my recommendation which is, except in the rarest of the rare cases I am very hesitant to have anyone go this route.

I do not think that she is "there yet" in needing to take the chance on this. :)

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That makes sense I guess, guess I am quick on the jump because I am so used to talking with ppl like myself with PCOS and other similar cycle issues. I also know too well how it is to want nothing more than to ovulate so you have a chance in you know where of getting preg. I can be maybe a little TOO empathetic in these types of situations, lol.

Ditto atomic! It isn't true AF but it does reset the system! The progesterone makes the body think it ovulated, even though it didn't . So, next cycle the body goes on as if it is a brand new cycle!! Yay for a scan!! Hopefully you'll find something out!!

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

I do not know if the zinc at a lower dose will keep your skin clear. Personally I would err on the side of caution and stick with the lower dose but that is your call to make.

Sudofed = pseudoephedrine. Either use antihistamine or drop all together.

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Zinc in what ever dose sway girl still?

Zinc sways blue, we believe.

I suggest you drop all the supps you're taking except folic acid. We believe that all of those except SP and FA can sway blue. Also, SP can mess with your cycles and vitamin B6 can delay O.

I've been charting for 14 years and have never had a cycle longer than 35 days until this past year. My cycles average 28 days but vary a bit as my O moves around quite a lot at times. 2.5 cycles ago I stopped my girl sway and resumed taking a prenatal, high dose Vit D/fish oil/biotin. My last cycle was my longest cycle EVER and this cycle would probably have been longer except I (finally!) figured out the high dose fish oil was delaying O and within a few days of dropping it I Oed (just last night).

Sooooooo many things can delay O, and since you're taking several things that could explain why O is extra delayed.

Edited to add: been having some technical issues and I only saw one page when I posted! I see atomic informed you of the above already. I agree getting some Rx Progesterone would be ideal to reset your cycle, I also agree it's best to avoid OTC forms of P, they just aren't strong enough and can have very variable effects which you do not want in an already complicated situation.

Drs can be such idiots, I'm so sorry you're having issues getting a script. If you can afford it, seek a second opinion from a private dr. Ideally a fertility specialist/reproductive endocrinologist. I'd even stretch the truth a bit and say it's been 6 months since you had an AF.