VERY annoyed regarding moon signs! Atomic??

Just to be clear.. does the moon sign stuff stress me out? Yeah, mainly because I never fall on a boy moon but I wouldn't say I have anxiety or am unhappy about it nor do I have complete faith that's why having just one clearly be wrong is enough to decide it definitely doesn't work. I have many people saying it does work and many saying it doesn't, for ME I like to see the charts for myself so I can say 'I've seen it with my own two eyes' I would love to put this all to rest for myself. I'm not trying to start any arguments I'm just trying to figure out gender swaying. I guess for me what I'm looking for is something that you can't argue with. . For ex. If someone ovulated in a girl time frame ( not on a day where the signs changed because that can be argued) and was in a girl time frame for over 24 hours but went on to have a boy then that's it! It has been proven to not work. I know you all have seen countless charts for yourself where someone ovulated on a day that was one sign all day even into the next day and had the opposite. All I'm asking is to see them for myself. I'm not trying to prove to anyone that they work or don't work. I've seen proof from some ladies on IG that they work (or at least their just showing the ones that it worked for) now I would like to see the proof that it doesn't

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Originally Posted by j2015

Just to be clear.. does the moon sign stuff stress me out? Yeah, mainly because I never fall on a boy moon but I wouldn't say I have anxiety or am unhappy about it nor do I have complete faith that's why having just one clearly be wrong is enough to decide it definitely doesn't work. I have many people saying it does work and many saying it doesn't, for ME I like to see the charts for myself so I can say 'I've seen it with my own two eyes' I would love to put this all to rest for myself. I'm not trying to start any arguments I'm just trying to figure out gender swaying. I guess for me what I'm looking for is something that you can't argue with. . For ex. If someone ovulated in a girl time frame ( not on a day where the signs changed because that can be argued) and was in a girl time frame for over 24 hours but went on to have a boy then that's it! It has been proven to not work. I know you all have seen countless charts for yourself where someone ovulated on a day that was one sign all day even into the next day and had the opposite. All I'm asking is to see them for myself. I'm not trying to prove to anyone that they work or don't work. I've seen proof from some ladies on IG that they work (or at least their just showing the ones that it worked for) now I would like to see the proof that it doesn't

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I'm sorry my charts are too ambiguous for you. When I look at the calendars, there are very few days that would allow a clear cut boy or girl sign that also then stays that way for 24h. Since for the most part they are changing every 2 days. Which is probably why so many people will say, oh yes, it worked for me, because the results could go either way. I'm sorry you are feeling stressed about this.

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http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...131d0c1dbe.jpgI'm simply curious and hoping someone could check what mine indicated for ds2. (Chinese gender calculator said girl lol) I put in the relevant details and while I don't have a chart I clearly remember ff indicating I oed 23rd August (yes I know its not exact but just for the sake of curiosity let's say it is :) ) I remember because I got an early bfp at what was considered 8dpo and my friends wedding that I had been looking really forward to was 3 days later (on a Tuesday and island destination) I was worried about how I would hide the 'not drinking' lol. I hope I'm not bothering anyone with this I'm simply curious :)

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The 23rd was a girl moon until 5pm and then changed to boy sign for the rest of the day :)

Raezodal it's ok thank you for trying

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I meant to say june 20 was boy sign by 8am so by the 21 you were well into boy zone.to the poster above... I'm actually looking for just ONE chart to be wrong so one little wrong chart will ease my mind.. until I find a wrong chart I will still be sceptical

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But there were DOZENS of wrong moon signs in threads that were very, very long back on IG. They have evidently been deleted now in favor of this new one. I saw them during my time on IG from 2008-2011, and have no motivation to lie about that because all I want is for you guys to get your desired gender. If there was something out there that actually worked like magic, I would be on that like white on rice, as we say. My ONLY motivation is to get you guys your desired gender, not be "right" or get money out of this (because I'd rather do it for free so I could have a day off now and then haha). But there isn't because magic isn't real, and it has caused tons of heartbreak for people taking 2 years to get pregnant only to have opposites, or TTC for 2 years only to end up unable to get pregnant at all. For something that simply cannot work.

Do you see how unlikely it is, all this jockeying around this hour or that? That's all the lady does on IG. She messes around with it till it comes out right. I am not even saying this is deliberate, if she is a true believer it may be totally unconscious. But it does not make any sense. It has been shown in very good studies that even highly trained experts cannot even get the DAY of their ovulation right, let alone the hour. We would not be getting good results with diet and exercise alone if this was some sort of magical quick fix.

One more question meant as food for thought. IF moon signs are working 100% of the time on IG, then why do they recommend diet and all that other junk they do?? I mean if I saw something that seemed to be working 100% of the time I would seize that and have everyone do everything they could to get pregnant while doing ONLY the moon signs. But they keep on plugging with all the other stuff because they know on some level that it is just so much stuff and nonsense. :)

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I am not religious, but I don't talk down people who use their faith to help get them through hard times like loss or GD. Someone clearly being unhappy and full of anxiety from their belief is an entirely different ball game.


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NO one is putting anyone down here. I'm just trying to share what I believe is going on - which is since studies show that even highly trained experts in natural family planning cannot get their DAY of ovulation right, let alone the hourm, and since these moon signs change within a 2 day period and could thus be easily messed around with just as we are witnessing J do with Rae's charts, and since I have seen people on IG, even the forum leaders, deleting and manipulating threads and statistics, and since I saw with my own eyes long threads when I was on IG that had dozens of wrong moon sign conceptions, and since it additionally makes no sense biologically OR religiously (because I do not think God operates like this, like Einstein said God doesn't play dice with the universe), and since we know that diet and exercise and Clomid are swaying hugely and thus it cannot be down to magic, then this approach makes no sense and I would love to let everyone be at ease since many of us will never O in the right time frame.

If this was harmless fun like symptom spotting and heartbeat (even though I do think those things mess with people's minds hugely) I would probably just issue my standard "this doesn't work" and walk away. But people are taking YEARS to conceive and getting opposites anyway, and some of them, people who I know firsthand, wasted so much time chasing after the IG smoke and mirrors that they have no baby to this very day and are out tens of thousands of dollars in fertility treatments and have several miscarriages. This isn't harmless and that doesn't even MENTION the number of people who give up on swaying all together because it seems so ridiculously complex that no one can get it right or people like J and DRV who are stressed over it. ANYTHING that makes people miss months they could be TTC out of that limited fertile time we are given, and doesn't even help with swaying at all, is not harmless. It's actively harmful and actively harming everyone who is skipping months based on magic and mysticism.

If swaying works it is because it confers a benefit to odds of survival to pass down genes to future generations. Whether evolution or God, the result is the same. If anyone can explain how conceiving a baby at 8 am vs. 8 pm could possibly help the survival of a boy vs. a girl I'd love to hear what that is.

Panther, i tried several times to quote the other statement and yours kept popping up. That wasn't directed at you, it's directed at the other poster.

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The 23rd was a girl moon until 5pm and then changed to boy sign for the rest of the day :)

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Does this make any sense though?

Do you see how easily this could be manipulated?

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I'm sorry my charts are too ambiguous for you. When I look at the calendars, there are very few days that would allow a clear cut boy or girl sign that also then stays that way for 24h. Since for the most part they are changing every 2 days. Which is probably why so many people will say, oh yes, it worked for me, because the results could go either way. I'm sorry you are feeling stressed about this.

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:agree: if highly trained experts cannot get their day of ovulation right any better than 1 of 3 days using charting, and moon signs change every 2 days, you can see how someone, either deliberately or unconsciously, could easily futz with the day of ovulation or the hour to make something come out 100% accurately.

Just want to state again this may very well not be a deliberate thing. May be unconscious.

My husband thinks this site opposed to IG is the one to listen to and the one that makes the most sense. He has been so patient and kind throughout all of this for the sake of my marriage and sanity I'm going to put try and put all of this behind me. The thing is in the back of my mind I keep thinking ' how can this even work?' But my gullible side just takes over sometimes

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Panther, i tried several times to quote the other statement and yours kept popping up. That wasn't directed at you, it's directed at the other poster.

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Haha, thank you for clarifying! I was gonna say, "I agree, I agree!" Lol!

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I admit I know nothing about this theory but I did read someone say on ig that you have to know when sperm meets egg to get an accurate result...and that made LOL because I'm pretty sure that's impossible to chart.

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That's what gets me! I mean, I guess you could potentially know if you were under ultrasound surveillance for like 48 hours straight and you could actually watch it happen or something. lol
To me, it's just one of those convenient things where you can easily say "yes it's right b/c the moon changed to a female sign at 5pm and the sperm *probably* met the egg at 8:30". But what if it met the egg at 3:30? It's completely impossible to know that and I don't care if I saw 1000 charts that were "right". Total nonsense.

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I admit I know nothing about this theory but I did read someone say on ig that you have to know when sperm meets egg to get an accurate result...and that made LOL because I'm pretty sure that's impossible to chart.

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That's how so much of their stuff is. "They just know". They just know when they conceived, so O+12 works. They just know, so moon signs work, or biorhythms work, or Shettles works, or any number of things work. But THEY DON'T KNOW and it's not only been proven in studies, but also in their own darn experiences when tons of people's charts did not match the time at which they HAD to have conceived. (like they just KNOW and then their chart shows they ovulated already when they thought they had conceived or didn't BD in what they thought was their fertile window leaving some impossible BD to be "the" BD like 8 days before or whatever, or that their O was delayed a week and they conceived later than they thought). "They just know" is not a valid method of detecting when you ovulated. :)

I just checked with DS3 and he should be a girl under this theory. So should DS2 (my failed IG sway). It was right for DD. I didn't bother to look for DS1 or the twins.

I'm not sure if this has been said already, but whenever things like this pop up (moon signs, Chinese calendar, etc.) you need to consider boy/girl twins. They are the most common type of non-identical twins. It just doesn't make any sense!


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Correct me if I am wrong.. I think I vaguely remember someone on IG explain that if one sperm meets the egg at 2:05 (girl moon) and another at 2:06 (now changed to male moon) that is how boy/girl twins are concieved. Not saying I believe that but I am pretty sure that was their explanation for that

Oh, now I see. It all makes sense now.

(that's a joke)

Does this add up to you? ONE MINUTE could make the difference in outcome between a boy and a girl?? Again, if true, how could we get results with Clomid/Femara for pink, prenatals for blue, diet, exercise, and number of attempts? Why would guys who jog and bike and smoke regular and special tobacco make more girls? If it all boils down to one minute, then why would 12 weeks or longer on diet make girls for us vs. 2-4 weeks which is much lower success rates?

It doesn't even make sense biologically because how could you then use this as a sway tactic? If you BD and then Sperm A meets an egg at 2:05 and Sperm B meets an egg at 2:06 that is down to sheer luck and I'd say what's the point of even bothering?

All this is just a way for them to put their fingers in their ears and deny the reality that it's not possible to sway gender 100% They want to encourage people sway with a 100% guarantee, make it impossible to get it right so there is always some reason to find fault with a sway, and then blame it on the people who get opposites.

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I just checked with DS3 and he should be a girl under this theory. So should DS2 (my failed IG sway). It was right for DD. I didn't bother to look for DS1 or the twins.

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Thanks! And you know if you posted those charts they would be all like, "well that was because sperm didn't meet egg until 10:07 because that's when the girl sign changed to boy." :p

That's the one thing I never understood. I remember reading that artificial insemination sways boy so how does that work because I'm sure the chances they were all in a boy time is pretty slim. I guess I just get really gullible sometimes

It's not being gullible, it's just that we'd all LOVE this to be that easy. I sure would!! it would be so nice if we could look at a calendar or have some blood test done that would tell us EXACTLY 100% how to get a boy or a girl. But it just doesn't work.

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That's the one thing I never understood. I remember reading that artificial insemination sways boy so how does that work because I'm sure the chances they were all in a boy time is pretty slim. I guess I just get really gullible sometimes

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Ah don't feel gullible we have all been there! When I was pregnant with ds2 I didn't know what I was having so was searching biorhythms etc which showed girl aparantly and I done an IG sway but was silly enough to think that because I'd drunk a bit of cranberry juice and dtd when the Chinese calendar said it would get me a girl i thought for sure he'd be a girl! Oh and the good old shettles method!:sigh: So please don't feel like you've been gullible a lot of people on that site believe it which helps make it convincing but looking back now compared to this site I can't believe I believed it without scientific back up! That all being said I'd never go back in time and change my ds2 for a girl.
Welcome to GD it really is a nice and very informative place to be. Atomic genuinely wants everyone to get their DG and I'm glad your husband is supportive and agrees with this site too! :happy:

My husband is a peach.. He's all about science and logic, when I told him about IG he scratched his head and said ' whatever makes you happy' he even started taking the supplements and then when I found GD I startes reading the articles and philosophy and his eyes lit up he said ' now THIS makes more sense.. I didn't want to upset you but that other site didn't make sense, my mother drinks milk by the gallon and last time I checked I'm not a girl, plus I'm not sticking my ****anywhere where there was previously baking soda or egg whites' :bigsmile: he is definitely on board this time. He honestly doesn't care if we have a boy or another girl but he knows how important this is to me so he's going to be supportive but he's definitely interested in this site.. He's the science guy in the family so if he says this is the site to be on then I'm saying goodbye to IG and going full in on GD

Let us know how we can help you guys get that baby boy!!! :)

:)Thank you so much

I used to be a member on the IG website also and a lady on that site who was 'in charge' at the time of the moon sign stuff said to me that they went by the day on which O occurred to get the moon sign details. I posted a copy of my second child's chart (on paper back then) and she had the nerve to tell me 'I think you Oed on this day as the fits with having a girl baby.' But I know and had marked clearly when I Oed as I had done the BBTs and the OPKs. This same person also advised me to wait for months to make sure I Oed on the correct girl sign before trying to conceive. I turned 43 last year so like I had time to sit around twiddling my thumbs waiting for 'the right girl moon sign?' I think it's a load of rubbish.

Wrong for both my boys!


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I'm a very active member of IG and have been for over a year. I remember you very well when you were on IG. When asked about your charts for moon sign purposed you claimed you didn't have a chart and your definitely didn't post a chart Night Owl.
But I guess it is a good thing you find them rubbish because if you did ovulate when FF says you did then with your BD patterns it would likely be a boy.

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And THIS harshness and snarky attitude is why so many people left IG. You have way too much time on your hands if you can remember all those details. Moon signs are an OWT. It's magic. Magic is an illusion.

I would love to know who would say that. It's always you guys coming on here and posting angry/ugly comments.

We left IG because we had fundamental issues with their swaying methodologies. If you want to believe you can see different gendered sperm with a children's microscope from toysrus, IG is the site for you.

I will not stoop to your level. Good luck with your sway.

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Then why are you here? I am just honestly curious. You don't need to agree with everything on this site. If you prefer IG, then by all means, hang out there.

The troll has left the building. Trolls belong under rocks.

oh gee I missed all the fun! :)

I don't know who said what when where or why. What I do know is that I'm entitled to my opinion and am in a unique position as a longtime former member of IG, who has seen the effects that some of this stuff has had on people's lives and wellbeing, to share that. I actually feel a moral obligation to do so because I really, truly think that the approach of "BFN till menopause, consequences to life, health, marriage, fertility, and sanity be darned" because "mystical particles are coming from the moon and stars and shooting into the human vagina" is not a sound one.

I'm happy and proud to be able to offer people an option. (and thankful to nuthinbutpink for allowing me to do that) There's a site for everyone's tastes and I'm very pleased that we can do things our way here. Anyone who likes the IG way better, hang out there! You can still hang out here too if you want or not, if you want. That's totally cool, it's not a competition, any more than McDonald's vs Burger King is.

j2015 I'm totally hearing you i feel the same!

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oh gee I missed all the fun! :)

I don't know who said what when where or why. What I do know is that I'm entitled to my opinion and am in a unique position as a longtime former member of IG, who has seen the effects that some of this stuff has had on people's lives and wellbeing, to share that. I actually feel a moral obligation to do so because I really, truly think that the approach of "BFN till menopause, consequences to life, health, marriage, fertility, and sanity be darned" because "mystical particles are coming from the moon and stars and shooting into the human vagina" is not a sound one.

I'm happy and proud to be able to offer people an option. (and thankful to nuthinbutpink for allowing me to do that) There's a site for everyone's tastes and I'm very pleased that we can do things our way here. Anyone who likes the IG way better, hang out there! You can still hang out here too if you want or not, if you want. That's totally cool, it's not a competition, any more than McDonald's vs Burger King is.

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This actually made me LOL! We need a laughing button too like on FB! Very well said though, in true Atomic style! :happy:

Good Lord....who was this 'don'tlikethetruth' character? I missed that reply to my earlier comment until now. Looks like I made a lot of friends when I was on IG doesn't it? All because I disagreed with the whole 'moon sign and phase' paraphernalia. Thanks for sticking up for me Anchor. Am already feeling a bit emotional today since I've just learnt I'm about to embark on my second miscarriage shortly. :(

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The troll has left the building. Trolls belong under rocks.

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Thankyou for coming to my defence nuthinbutpink. I've only just come across all this today...the day I find out this pregnancy is not going to last either. Those people really do have nothing better to do. Almost like a stalker for me here on GD from IG.....she even knew my IG username too. How nasty...just because I questioned and refused to believe in their moon sign theories. :(

Oh, they're after me too. I wouldn't sweat it. let's just keep staying positive and focus on what we're doing here. :)

Ignore button! :)