Let's talk about blue sways.

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Originally Posted by XXforhubby

My Aunt had my cousin, a girl, from a failed tubal surgery (she said her tubes were tied and cauterized!). She is definitely suffers from s sweet tooth! She rarely snacks, but when she does it is with some sort of fruit candy, fruit pastry, or pie.

I on the other hand, used to be the savory type. I did eat fast food a lot with DS1. I ate my traditional healthy diet of veggies, nuts, eggs, and no sweets with DS2. DS3 resulted from a failed pink sway (I wouldn't change a thing [emoji4]). I ate chicken (not a lot- 2-4oz daily), veggies, little fruit, and no sweets.

There may be something to it! Either junky savory foods or healthy savory foods = more boys. Junky sweets or healthy sweets (I'm thinking of fruit here) = more girls. My grandma had 3 girls and miscarried a girl at 16 weeks. She either skips breakfast or lunch and has a major sweet tooth! Still does!



[emoji170]DS1[emoji1379], DS2[emoji602], DS3[emoji577][emoji170]
[emoji166]One last pink sway in 2016[emoji166]
My Ovulation Chart

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Here is the thing though. I just do not believe in magic foods. EVERY single one of those foods could be mixed around in such a way that may make boys or girls. Sweets or savory, there are just limitless combos of how people could eat them. That's why people can get girls on the Atkins diet and boys on a vegan diet, yk?? Eating not a lot and somewhat restrictive, vs. all day long and a lot of variety - much of of this comes down to patterns of eating and not food choices per se. If it was just foods, it would be so easy to pick out the trends.

Sally follows Atkins diet - egg and cheese for breakfast, salad and lunch meat for lunch, steak and asparagus for dinner, loses weight, has girl

Jane follows a vegan diet - fruit and cereal and soymilk breakfast, snack, pasta and fruit for lunch, snack, bean and cheese burrito for dinner, bedtime snack, gains weight or maintains, has boy

The foods themselves don't really sway (well the soy may sway a bit) it's nutrients and keeping blood sugar up - on the Atkins diet, your body has to burn all its stores of fats to keep blood sugar up, that's never a problem on vegan diet - there is just so much more going on here than foods, foods foods...

Thanks atomic for this thread. You are completely correct in saying no sway is 100%. While people may follow all the blue sway tips and tools to the finest point, there will people who still conceive girls (someone has to make up that 20-25%, not everyone gets to be in that 75-80%!!)
The funny thing about calcium is that I personally know a few ladies who love their calcium and ate it loads and had boys, they also had a bit of extra weight on them. So I'm with you on the calcium being a better boy sway than girl.

my husband and I drank a GALLON of milk daily between us when we got DS 1 and 2. in between I became lactose intolerant but could still eat cheese and yogurt (which I did daily as I liked to have 4 oz of cheese for breakfast and yogurt and berries or cereal for a bedtime snack) and he still drank a gallon a day. With DS 3 and 4 both I was taking cal-mag supps too. It's just not something that I am able to buy into but hey totally up to each individual.

@atomic: I think you're often misunderstanding my posts, and me mentioning baby was nowhere implying you were zeroing in on her, I think that's much more an inference on your part -- she herself had referenced the weight in another thread, and I only referenced your general opinion on weight gain and sways. Nothing I'm ever saying is an attack! I just take this all pretty seriously I guess since it's even a chance to get my desired boy, when before I thought it was just luck of the draw. And I have a big background in nutritional science, so that's why I come to the table with my own thoughts on the deck, if that makes sense. I also live with an engineer, so I've learned to be straight to it lol. I'm seeing more and more that I don't come off well to you because of it, and I'm definitely not trying to make you dislike me :/

The attitude being that blue swayers often give up makes more sense to me -- the "well I'll probably get a girl anyway." I've honestly wanted a boy even more after the studies knowing what I know now (and even your comment that I not go for 2 under 2 spurs me on, honestly), but Buro saying you've talked about longterm lifestyle makes me worry... but then ALSO my lifestyle has been anorexic, whereas recovering from that is supposed to be blue? And hypothyroid?! Lol

And eat like shit is a direct quote from some women in the "how we got our boys" thread lol! And very specifically I was referencing junk food/fast food/takeaway.

And I absolutely agree that herbs can't be that necessary since the sex ratio everywhere is so many other factors, but I wondered if the "really set for girls" swayers were getting blue from that extra edge? Hmm.

I ultimately hit home on the "it's not just us at work" but just because of HOW self-directed the failed swayers have sometimes been.

@Girlieplease, your post is honestly a joy to me. I have been being lowered in thyroid dose postpartum anyway since I was run so high, so I can only hope the autoimmune bit actually DOES sway for me this time. Along with hopefully fertility. Because even though my BMI was in the teens, I was actively starving myself and overexercising and I'd just come off BC, I also fell pregnant first try.

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

my husband and I drank a GALLON of milk daily between us when we got DS 1 and 2. in between I became lactose intolerant but could still eat cheese and yogurt (which I did daily as I liked to have 4 oz of cheese for breakfast and yogurt and berries or cereal for a bedtime snack) and he still drank a gallon a day. With DS 3 and 4 both I was taking cal-mag supps too. It's just not something that I am able to buy into but hey totally up to each individual.

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I just remembered that my thyroid dose leeches calcium -_- I feel like I'm so much "Oh, I have that going for blue!" And stuff that also does that for pink... >_<

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Will quickly hit the things I think have caused our sway opposites of late. Again, in 2011-2014 we got great results and have changed nothing, plus dramatically improved success rates for pink (which were terrible in 2011-2012) based on things that we observed from blue sways, so I really, really have a hard time believing that our sway tactics are swaying pink.

1)Bad Luck. It may have been, possibly, that we just had insanely good luck the first 3 years and that luck maybe ran out a little bit. We have so few blue swayers that an unlucky break or two makes a difference. Swaying is not a guarantee, unfortunately. We had a swayer our first year that had what I consider to be a quintessential, perfect, blue sway - her husband was on board and she had a classic "boy mom" personality, and still got an opposite. We don't know if it is really actually luck in and of itself or things that are just more "set" and harder to change for some than others or other cues from their environment that may have sent a "pink" signal, or some combo of them all. But we just can't expect 100% success rates even with perfect sways - if that were possible the whole human race would have died out a long time ago.

2) The fertility factor. Everything in the blue sway is meant to boost odds of conception. Despite this, we still have some people swaying blue, who take months to get pregnant. I do not know why this is. It doesn't make sense. It's a puzzle and the notion that this may be swaying somehow, seems to be proven true among pink swayers as well with the ladies who took months/years to get pregnant having overwhelmingly more girls even though by that point they have dropped practically everything and even done things to boost their fertility. I believe this to be the primary reason why we had a run of opposites last year, we had quite a few people in this boat. Even our successful blue swayers seem to take longer on average to conceive than pink swayers, despite doing everything to boost fertility. Please understand, I do not think that therefore anyone with fertility challenges shouldn't sway - in fact, you may HAVE to sway in order to get pregnant at all. But I do think that when we have a few people who aren't doing timing and aren't doing douches and are doing SMEP and aren't getting pregnant and then those same people (both pink and blue BTW) are then getting girls, there has to be something going on with that. Additionally a lot of these people cannot do the attempts in the fertile window and end up with one.

3)Husbands with health issues, low sex drive, and bad habits. We have husbands with lots of really severe health issues some of whom are on very strong medication, couples who have not had sex in 6 weeks or 6 months (my husband would divorce me if we went without sex for 6 days LOL), and husbands that are smoking hookahs every night and stuff like that. (we also have a couple pink swayers whose husbands had some REALLY bad habits like cocaine in one instance, who got girls even with less than ideal sways) Now, again, if you're in this boat and the idea of pestering hubby into oblivion does not appeal (right there with ya as my hubs would not sway either and if I had badgered him about it, there would have been NO baby) this does not mean you should not sway. You are still gonna be better off swaying than not swaying (and I know of at least two blue swayers even with this sitch - their husbands with very severe health issues and very low sex drive) but it may be that he is bringing something to the table that is just a little bit harder to overcome. Additionally many of these people cannot do the attempts in the fertile window and end up with just one or 2 (and one is often quite early and may not count)

4)People doing stuff that is less than ideal. It's a minority and much of it is encompassed by number 3 above - but enough so it is worthy of mention and consideration. It's the husbands that are smoking a lot, the ladies who just can't stay away from the cardio. This is what everyone focuses on and beats themselves up for but it's really been minimal most of the time. Many of our opposites have been in this subset of people though so it is worthy of mention.

Hubs smokes, drinks, on drugs, BMX biker, steroid abuse, etc
Wife can't stand diet, wants to exercise, does not like weight, goes on diet, vegan, etc
No one is getting much sleep/night shift
Still breastfeeding, too close a gap between babies (I find blue swayers often want to TTC very very soon after their last conception)
Chinese herbs or other dubious "supplements" like Fertile CM, arginine, tribulus, that may actually sway pink, either directly or inadvertently by preventing conception so long that people end up either gaining gobs of weight or giving up on diet.
Pregnicare or other prenatals with really high levels of some nutrients
Still doing high sodium intake
Still doing BSF/BSD
No calcium intake for months (this seems to coincide with the people who are taking forever to conceive, unfortunately)
Lesbian couples or those who need to conceive with at home IUI (5/5 girls, 3 of which are failed blue sways)
Excessive weight gain (underweight women please gain no more than 10-15 lbs, normal weight gain 3-5, others gain 1-3 or even nothing if you are already overweight)
No exercise (I think this one is fairly important as I see this in a lot of sway opposites)

I am not here to force anyone to do anything at all. People want to do these things, or have to, I am generally like "but I don't want you to" and they go ahead anyway. That is ok. Your sway, your way. I am not your boss, I am not the font of all earthly knowledge. All I can give you guys is the things I"ve observed for 8 years, including achieving successful sways for gals who had opposites with "old school" tactics, successful sways for people with 4 and 5 girls already, successful sways 3 times in a row, people who had successful sways for boys, then turned around and had success for pink, etc. It is all in line with the studies and "how we got our girls/boys" threads. It is in line with my own personal experience. Some people don't want to do that and that is ok. Your choice. I want everyone to post a sway and I don't want to play the game where we all tear each other apart.

5)Things we may actually have wrong. I do not believe that our sway tactics are on the wrong track. If they were, they would not coincide with what studies are finding and biological reality, they would not mesh up exactly with what IS working for pink swayers, they would not mesh with all the things that got us moms-of-many-boys, our many boys, and they would not have given great results for 2011-2014 and then given bad results in 2015 changing nothing whatsoever. But here are a few things that I have wondered if we have right. In brief:

EPO and high dose fish oil (I have already changed this in the Custom Plans giving much lower doses to most people)

Whole grain vs. white (but most blue swayers are eating very few grains because they are fattening so I find this highly implausible)

The BD pattern. This we did change (not really a change, but more of an emphasis) about the time we started getting worse results, but it makes very little sense that this would be swaying pink, since at the same time we changed the pink tactics to emulate the opposite of what we thought should sway blue, and our results went through the roof when we did. If one attempt is swaying so strongly and consistently pink, it really stretches belief that one attempt also sways blue. If in doubt, please have your husband just release on his own or with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days instead of actually having unprotected sex. I seriously, seriously doubt this is causing pink opposites because this is exactly the type of intercourse those of us who have all boys have (myself included) but if you are concerned, I guess this is something to change.

Probiotics. Maybe? I really think they sway blue, but maybe??

Preseed. Maybe again?? Some studies indicate sperm do worse in Preseed than in natural CM, but again we were doing this when our success rates were high.

Guanefesin. I guess? Hard to believe, and most blue swayers skip it anyway.

Coq10: pffff....leave it out if you like.

Things like arginine and carnitine for DH...most people aren't using them anyway. They raise T levels, can't imagine they possibly sway pink.

Anything we AREN'T using - like maca, tribulus, RJBP, etc - I got 4 boys without any of them as did everyone who TTC before 10-20 years ago, so it strains belief that they are somehow mandatory for getting a boy.

Maybe less than 12 weeks on diet?? But the problem is we were getting good results 2011-2014 without that, and that you'll end up gaining tons of weight if you do. Maybe something that some want to play around with, but be sure you're exercising.

All these things are miniscule. They're so tiny. They're nothing in the grand scheme. These are not the kinds of things that make or break sways. I got my boys without any of them. I just can't wrap my brain around a 180 degree turnaround in a year, based on any of these things. Smoking a hookah makes or breaks a sway. Being on antidepressants for 7 years makes or breaks a sway. Not taking maca does not. I will say again, I think our blue sway tactics are the best of the best, I think they're excelsior LOL, and I fully believe in them. Whatever is happening I believe to be a confluence of bad luck and the fertility factor and a handful of sways that were less than ideal (when you only have 20 people swaying, if 3 or 4 or 5 of them are not doing things quite right this adds up.)

Sooo....awaiting questions.

Ok. I think there is misinterpreting going on and that is fine, not sure it's me, also fine. :) Being straight to it has a downside that when met with someone who is also straight to it, that it ends up ~seeming~ to be a conflict when it really is not so I'll just leave it at that.

I am simply explaining why I was responding in such a way as to differentiate my response from a personal attack on baby's sway, when in fact i was simply responding to XX's. I was not concerned with anyone other than baby's feelings there.

I was glad to have the opening to discuss the Oreo factor LOL. Glad to have it. Junk food still has tons and tons of nutrients in it.

All failed swayers are self-directed. That's how it goes. You're plagued with "coulda, woulda, shoulda" but 9 times out of ten, it's just bad luck, the other 9 times out of 10 it's something totally out of your control. I am just trying to express that the reason why I do things the way I do is largely out of a desire to see blue sways succeed instead of people just tossing up their hands and saying "that's it, I have no chance, may as well kill myself" NO, YOU DO have a chance. You can control what you can control. Let go of the rest. It's good advice for all swayers.

There is no extra edge from the herbs. There is messed up cycles and possibly higher chances of pink. One of the "compliance" related issues IS the herbs. So I'm not trying to be on the defensive regarding them, I'm trying to explain, after they were brought up, why it is that I do not recommend them. They prevent conception and mess with people's sways hugely. :)

Preseed for me has given me two girls. I didnt use too little, or too much. i found a sweet spot, and despite it conceived girls. Honestly on clomid i had LOADS of egg white fluid which is weird because it does tend to dry lots of other women up..so im going to say that maybe pre seed does sway more pink than some would like to admit. that should be considered.

Blue does work for upping fertility, i was pregnant the first month i ovulated even if it was the second month of trying.

I think my comment of a body being 'at war' with its natural 'habitat' so to speak is what causes blue OR pink swayers to suddenly stop getting pregnant as fast as maybe they had before. My hormones were regulated, perfect cycles etc...but i was so thin as well that despite the prenatals (and yes i was on those from june 2014 until NOW even, i never stopped taking them) but i am also a 'girl mom' at this point. I dont feel shame in saying that, i still think it sucks but...if im in blue condition it seems to take me longer to get pregnant. Could that be the PCOS? possibly.

the other things that should be looked at more IMO is sugars and insulin...you already have a good lead on that but i swear when i wasnt pregnant and TTC my DD3 i had so many tests done. My fasting glucose was literally at 99, and they would not even give me a 'high normal' they just gave me a normal though the cut off between abnormal and not in a non pregnant fasting woman is 100. I was borderline gestational diabetic with my first pregnancy, i was gestational diabetic in my last 2 pregnancies, and because i still have a blood kit i can tell you i already sit above the 120 after 2 hours after eating with THIS baby...and im only 14.5 Weeks. I am sure eating blue though the foods WERE rich in nutrients did not help me as i gained weight, increasing that insulin resistance, etc.

However that sucks, because i was aware of that before i started the blue sway and i swear i mentioned it as a possibility of needing scewed in my plan to make sure high sugars didnt lead me into girl territory. However when you read what i have written its hard to not suspect that has always been my issue.

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Ok. I think there is misinterpreting going on and that is fine, not sure it's me, also fine. :) Being straight to it has a downside that when met with someone who is also straight to it, that it ends up ~seeming~ to be a conflict when it really is not so I'll just leave it at that.

I am simply explaining why I was responding in such a way as to differentiate my response from a personal attack on baby's sway, when in fact i was simply responding to XX's. I was not concerned with anyone other than baby's feelings there.

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I just want to reiterate that I did not reference anyone in my original post. I was simply speaking in generalities. If you read my post, I mention how empathetic I am to all of the opposites.

I'm done posting about this.



[emoji170]DS1[emoji1379], DS2[emoji602], DS3[emoji577][emoji170]
[emoji166]One last pink sway in 2016[emoji166]
My Ovulation Chart

Okay I do want to stress though it could be taken offensively that in order to further push your blue sways as close to superior as you can get... to say 4-5-6 whatever people are skewing the results and it's not the sway itself...idk. 'Maybe there is something I did that caused the sway to fail but also it's just as well your sway wasn't a perfect fit for whatever it is that prevents me from making boys. Using myself as a reference...

I was going through my diary of ttc my third and I ate baked potatoes constantly, had meat by itself with onion cause I was craving it during my conception cycle etc.. I was pretty boy friendly with diet even then. Was on orenatals for 7 months before conceiving, I snacked on cereal even if I didn't eat it as often as I did on the actual HE diet.. However still pretty lazy despite being active with my job as a nurse. Lots of walking, running and lifting.. and all the stuff I have already mentioned. I could believe maybe I just have a lot of bad luck I guess but regardless even if I was more crazy about blue foods this time I still ate pretty Boyish before. In my case HE didn't work. Maybe the problem here is you are needing to personalize plans more to fit individuals instead of a group lump sum. While for a majority maybe all they need to do is eat more and more of the right things but what about the women who already live a pretty boy friendly diet life style, maybe not so much the excersise..who still get lots of girls? I think that factor needs explored and tailored and m the future

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This was my typical diet when ttc baby 3 which also resulted girl. From food diary I kept. Now granted I took clomid, but I had huge amounts of EWCM still which in the past I never had. Despite that however I used pre seed to boost odds of conception. Pre seed IS another common denominator in this failed sway where the clomid is not.

Anyone who feels the need to post about this issue, I really urge you to hit me where it hurts. I do not like the implication that I am being dishonest or sneaky about this which seems to be being promoted behind my back. But when I reply to a question, I am going to give my honest opinion about that, because I guess I thought that was my job to do that.

Nutshell version of communication in a forum:

1) You say whatever
2) I answer
3)Followup question
4)I reply

So if 1) occurs, and then I respond to that, it is not because I"m trying to be a contrarian or argumentative or dismiss your point of view. I started this thread so I could talk about this stuff and anyone who did NOT want to talk about it could then bow out. I started it so people could bring stuff up they've been wondering about and then I could tell everyone (openly, honestly, directly) what my thought processes are about the various sway tactics, why I recommend
them, why I don't, why I do things the way that I do.

So, I ask your patience and tolerance for the imperfect method of communicating which is the Internet, that we all come to an agreement that what I want everyone to do is feel free to bring up whatever, but then at the same time, please expect that I will then give forth on my thoughts. Do not be surprised when I do this, and do not be surprised if I am possibly not in agreement.

BUT, all that having been said, please do respect the fact that I am doing this, instead of painting me out to be somehow dishonest or misleading people, and also please understand that an idea offered will be discussed by me. An open and honest person who does not want to hear other people's opinions would not open a thread to talk about this. No more sneaking around behind my back.

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Originally Posted by XXforhubby

I just want to reiterate that I did not reference anyone in my original post. I was simply speaking in generalities. If you read my post, I mention how empathetic I am to all of the opposites.

I'm done posting about this.



[emoji170]DS1[emoji1379], DS2[emoji602], DS3[emoji577][emoji170]
[emoji166]One last pink sway in 2016[emoji166]
My Ovulation Chart

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XX that was not directed at you!! I simply answered your question and someone suggested that I was talking about a person that they named by name!!! But I wasn't, I was just answering your concern!!!

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Originally Posted by Burakoam

Preseed for me has given me two girls. I didnt use too little, or too much. i found a sweet spot, and despite it conceived girls. Honestly on clomid i had LOADS of egg white fluid which is weird because it does tend to dry lots of other women up..so im going to say that maybe pre seed does sway more pink than some would like to admit. that should be considered.

Blue does work for upping fertility, i was pregnant the first month i ovulated even if it was the second month of trying.

I think my comment of a body being 'at war' with its natural 'habitat' so to speak is what causes blue OR pink swayers to suddenly stop getting pregnant as fast as maybe they had before. My hormones were regulated, perfect cycles etc...but i was so thin as well that despite the prenatals (and yes i was on those from june 2014 until NOW even, i never stopped taking them) but i am also a 'girl mom' at this point. I dont feel shame in saying that, i still think it sucks but...if im in blue condition it seems to take me longer to get pregnant. Could that be the PCOS? possibly.

the other things that should be looked at more IMO is sugars and insulin...you already have a good lead on that but i swear when i wasnt pregnant and TTC my DD3 i had so many tests done. My fasting glucose was literally at 99, and they would not even give me a 'high normal' they just gave me a normal though the cut off between abnormal and not in a non pregnant fasting woman is 100. I was borderline gestational diabetic with my first pregnancy, i was gestational diabetic in my last 2 pregnancies, and because i still have a blood kit i can tell you i already sit above the 120 after 2 hours after eating with THIS baby...and im only 14.5 Weeks. I am sure eating blue though the foods WERE rich in nutrients did not help me as i gained weight, increasing that insulin resistance, etc.

However that sucks, because i was aware of that before i started the blue sway and i swear i mentioned it as a possibility of needing scewed in my plan to make sure high sugars didnt lead me into girl territory. However when you read what i have written its hard to not suspect that has always been my issue.

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Burkoam, I do my very best in your guys plans to give you the sways I think will work best for you. I tried really hard. I want everyone to succeed. I am simply not an oracle and I do not know what is going to work for everyone and what won't. All the data I have seen indicates that PCO and higher blood sugar sways blue.

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Okay I do want to stress though it could be taken offensively that in order to further push your blue sways as close to superior as you can get... to say 4-5-6 whatever people are skewing the results and it's not the sway itself...idk. 'Maybe there is something I did that caused the sway to fail but also it's just as well your sway wasn't a perfect fit for whatever it is that prevents me from making boys. Using myself as a reference...

I was going through my diary of ttc my third and I ate baked potatoes constantly, had meat by itself with onion cause I was craving it during my conception cycle etc.. I was pretty boy friendly with diet even then. Was on orenatals for 7 months before conceiving, I snacked on cereal even if I didn't eat it as often as I did on the actual HE diet.. However still pretty lazy despite being active with my job as a nurse. Lots of walking, running and lifting.. and all the stuff I have already mentioned. I could believe maybe I just have a lot of bad luck I guess but regardless even if I was more crazy about blue foods this time I still ate pretty Boyish before. In my case HE didn't work. Maybe the problem here is you are needing to personalize plans more to fit individuals instead of a group lump sum. While for a majority maybe all they need to do is eat more and more of the right things but what about the women who already live a pretty boy friendly diet life style, maybe not so much the excersise..who still get lots of girls? I think that factor needs explored and tailored and m the future

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Yes, and that is why I really do not ever choose to talk about this. I prefer to make my observations and then change things if anything jumps out at me as really swaying the opposite direction. I do not want to, EVER, make anyone feel bad and I beyond NEVER like to go over people's sway opposites and say it's this or that. I have set up the whole "add your sway" forum to prevent that from happening. But I can't ignore those things either, I wouldn't be doing my job if I did, and when I can look back at the successful sways I've already talked about and nothing has really changed (including Preseed and having women with PCOS) then it leaves me at a loss.

If it had been up to me, I would not have started talking about this at all openly. I was asked the question, I responded to it to the best of my ability, openly and honestly and directly, skipping over nothing. have certainly been monitoring the blue sway results closely and in great detail and only talked about the whole thing when I was asked to. It was not a conversation I chose to have, but if I did have the conversation and I left out some of that stuff, that would be manipulative of ME. Does that make sense?? I don't want to leave out something that may be important. It isn't a personal affront on anyone, I know you swayed your heart out, you aren't even one of the people I'm thinking of. Those were people who were back in 2015 and not even on the site now.

I believe that this is one of those things where no one is going to be happy with any honest answer that I can give. There is just no happy ending to this thread where I can say "aha this is it this is THE thing we are doing wrong and happy happy joy joy to all". It's because I would be lying if I did that. I think swaying works (and I think blue swaying may be naturally higher success than pink) but it isn't perfect, unfortunately. I could blow smoke up everyone's tushies and say "ok let's add in rasperry leaf tea and switch from green tea to black tea" or start having you guys worry about ions or moon phases or even start having everyone wear blue undies, and it might even make it look like something happened but I betcha it would be simply that our luck changed.

I think there's a confluence of events that has happened, I've already gone over them, in the process hurting people's feelings which is never my hope or intent, and I feel like when I attempt to address people's concerns people are taking that as arguments. Soooo. I have another post to add where I talk about some older posts, but maybe I'll just let that drop for a while till everyone's calmed down. :heart: to all.

Sharing this everywhere the topic came up because I do think it is very important.

3 or 4 unlucky sways can make a 58% success rate into a 70% one. There was one off year and looking at the bigger picture our overall success rates over 5 years with a much larger sample size are 66%.

I thought it might be helpful to everyone to see the breakdown of our success rates for blue sways by year.

2011-2012 40 :DS: 22 :DD: - 62% success rate.

I have a further breakdown for 41 of these where I broke them down by IG/FGD vs. HE because HE was new then and we wanted to see if there was any difference - this thread is in the Dream Members section for anyone who wants to verify this.

41 total sways
15 opposites, 4 of which were HE, 11 of which were IG/FGD
26 success, 10 of which were IG, 16 of which were HE

If I had chosen to eliminate the IG sways I could have manipulated this data into a much higher success% for this two year period while improving our overall success rates for the site, but I choose not to do that.

2013 29 :DS: 7 :DD: - 80% success rate

2014 20 :DS: 8 :DD: - 71% success rate

2015 21 :DS: 15 :DD: 58% success rate

2016 So far 5 :DS: 5 :DD: 50% success rate.

Total success rates of the site:

172 total sways, 115 boys, 57 girls, success rate 66%

Also, since the idea that "pink sways are getting worse results" has been claimed in this thread, I submit our pink results here. Simply not true. (I never said that either BTW, that had to be some kind of misunderstanding.) Our results for pink started bad, then thanks largely to things we learned from blue sways, have improved significantly. We are on the right track here. If it makes sense to you, regardless of a single bad year for blue sways that was well within the margin for error - a handful of unlucky sways can push something with a small sample size from 70% to 58% easily. It does not mean that swaying isn't working or we are doing something wrong.

Pink sway results:

2012-2012 67 :DD: 42 :DS: 61% success rate. There were a handful of people who never came back to update on their sways so assuming that those people ALL got opposites, this drops to 58% success.

(rainbowflower added these up for us here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/tryi...tatistics.html if you would like to see this post.)

We were keeping such a good spreadsheet during this time, that like an idiot I did not keep straight up tallies with the add your sways, by the year for 2013 and 2014. When I have time I'll go thru the add your sways and break these down so everyone can see them and then I will tally them all up to demonstrate the overall success rates of the site over the past 5 years. Our success rates went up and down around 63-68% during this time on the spreadsheet and so I am assuming similar rates of success. (remember, not everyone who does an add your sway enters data into the spreadsheet and vice versa)

2015 59 :DD: 23 :DS: 72% success rate

2016 So far 30 :DD: 10 :DS: 75% success rate.

If you swayed recently and feel your sway is being left out of the above tally (success or opposite, we want all results) please let me know here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-...we-having.html

Since I joined this site I have read almost every post about boy sways. Atomic has always mentioned that swaying is by no way a guarantee and that one should sway only if they can handle an opposite. I myself swayed beginning of 2015 gained a lot of weight cause it took me more than four months to get pregnant, so decided to stop ttc cause I couldn't handle my body weight. Lost 15 kilos in 3 months and then started ttc. Then gained 3 kilos on HE for 2 months and third month got pg with my beautiful sway opposite. Maybe I shouldn't have diated or maybe my dh smoking messed up my sway, who really knows...but my point is that swaying is not IVF/PGD and there's always the chance for an opposite. I decided to sway based on atomic's recommendations because a) my lifestyle when I concieved my first two girls was the girl sway recommendations down to every single one, b) the recommendations were not compromising my health (as opposed to IG recommendations) c) I had nothing to loose since my DH and I wanted a third child anyway, so might as well try a different way this time around.
I wanted to mention though, that I have talked to the midwives in the clinic where I gave birth to my dd and there is a percentage of 70% girls born since the beginning of 2016 there. Also at my prenatal yoga class we were 10 ladies and 8 of us were having girls....

I think what all of this comes down to is we have a HUGE mindshare of data here- some you all see in the public forum and a lot you never see, in the private forum. We have tons of users that never post in the open forums.

So, we have OUR WAY of swaying. It is what we consider the best and what we think gives you the best odds of success. Unlike other sites that sell plans and diets, we are exposed- you have access to us in the forums. Nobody else has the courage to do that.

Of course people will not agree with our method of swaying! That's totally ok!! You don't have to agree with us! You have to understand that when we read about someone contradicting our swaying methodology, we struggle because we think you will fail and that's not what we want. We want everyone to get their DG. So, we will come off as defensive. We are. We truly stand behind our recommendations and if you think you have a better approach? That's fine but we have tons of data stating otherwise.

Swaying is not an exact science. We all know that. I do not want to have to constantly defend our approach. This is what we believe yields the best results.

It's a fine line for us to walk to see people type things that we believe lessen their chances and for us not to speak up. You can take that as defensive but we want you to succeed and we will continue us to speak up when we see information posted that we are fundamentally not behind.

Good luck to all.

Thank you so much for wording that so much better than I was able to.

Im sorry to anyone who felt insulted or hurt with anything i have posted since finding out my sway probably failed. Honestly there is a SMALL chance, albeit there, that i have jumped the gun having found out some more info about the company and such since taking it...but ive prepared myself for the worst and that has led to a very bad attitude from me. of course everyone starts a sway knowing it could fail, and i still think most if not all never dream it will be their sway that fails. Failing when i feel i did everything i could has been core shattering to me. The entire sway i was confident it was going to get me a boy, i didnt actually struggle during the sway at all with wether i would get pregnant or have a son...a few days before my BFP i did have a time of feeling down that i wasnt going to be pregnant that month..it wasnt any concern over wether it would be a boy or a girl but i just felt very down about the probability of conceiving the first month trying and i was starting to gain weight at that point and so had decided if i didnt get pregnant id keep eating and lifting weights but put off active TTC for a while...well then i was pregnant.

There is no doubt for me that blue worked, to an extent, for me. It did exactly what it was supposed to. Its not a guaranteed pill for a boy, but seems pretty guaranteed to up your fertility. Well the fact i got pregnant with my first ovulation after breastfeeding would say my fertility WAS exactly where the blue diet wanted it to be. Its very possible this new daughter snuck through, its possible really just that im one of the statistics that failed the sway. Its also so disheartening to say that or type it out loud.

Really all this is..is an apology. Do i love her? Yes of course, and i knew i would IF the sway failed, i just didnt picture myself in this spot. Despite LOVING her i cant think of a name for her, my heart is still set on Jackson and like this is a boy. I am betting its genuinely an extreme case of denial. I didnt have this denial with my other 3 but i also saw their girl parts before knowing they were confirmed girls and none of them were my 'last'....i talked about PGD with my husband in 5-6 years or so if we could afford it but when i think with my head and not my heart i know 4 kids is already way too much for me and i want to eventually be done raising my kids..if i have one in my mid 30's i'll be into my 50's before they are raised. My husband is really in the same boat and says 4 is his limit and so when he talks about the PGD i know its because he could see how much my heart was set on it...and i dont want him to sacrifice any more for me.

Atomic i dont blame you. i dont blame your plan. It did exactly what you claimed it would do, other than the gender which is all on my husband and me. my heart is just so broken and it seems there is no cure for that.

We do not even know what our results from 2016 will look like. Everything I am talking about has to do with 2015 when blue sways fell from 70-80% to 58%. This is not about anyone who swayed in 2016 because we do not even have results from 2016 yet. Burk, I think you had a fine sway and the cards didn't fall your way. :heart:

I'm so sorry Burakoam. I so wish we could guarantee results with swaying. I wish you well and I hope your heart will heal. We should all be kinder to ourselves. We are all here for the same reason. We are all simply trying our best. We fight for each and every one of you and we want everyone to get their DG.

There is life beyond the baby phase. I can promise you that. Even though I got my son, I can see now with years behind me that we would be ok if I hadn't. The older my girls get, I see they really can do and be anything and we are having a good time. Gender is rarely brought up when your children are older. There is so much to look forward to. I know where you are right now, you cannot see this but I know you will get there. Big hugs to you!

One other thing I wanted to add to this thread, I've talked about it elsewhere but it's the almond milk. When I went back and looked over some old sways from 2015-2016 I noticed that many of the opposites mentioned almond milk specifically and some of my custom plan people (who had not posted sways) who got opposites were also doing almond milk. I have added this info a few other places but from here on I'd go real light with the milk replacers or even skip them. If you can't bring yourself to eat/drink dairy that's fine, but please don't replace them with almond, rice, soy, coconut milk, etc.

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We do not even know what our results from 2016 will look like. Everything I am talking about has to do with 2015 when blue sways fell from 70-80% to 58%. This is not about anyone who swayed in 2016 because we do not even have results from 2016 yet. Burk, I think you had a fine sway and the cards didn't fall your way. :heart:

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Do we have the results for 2016 yet? If so can you direct me where to find them [emoji4]


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One other thing I wanted to add to this thread, I've talked about it elsewhere but it's the almond milk. When I went back and looked over some old sways from 2015-2016 I noticed that many of the opposites mentioned almond milk specifically and some of my custom plan people (who had not posted sways) who got opposites were also doing almond milk. I have added this info a few other places but from here on I'd go real light with the milk replacers or even skip them. If you can't bring yourself to eat/drink dairy that's fine, but please don't replace them with almond, rice, soy, coconut milk, etc.

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I think almonds are high in omega 6, I'm eating loads of them and swaying pink

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we ended up at 58% for that year http://genderdreaming.com/forum/tryi...s-numbers.html

Overall success rates of the site over the years for all blue sways are 66% - about 2/3

EVERY year of blue sways has been over 50-50
EVERY year of pink sways has been over 50-50

If swaying wasn't working and this all was a random crapshoot, we would not see these kind of consistently "correct" success rates.

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I think almonds are high in omega 6, I'm eating loads of them and swaying pink

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Yep, I think this is mattering more than we knew 6 years ago.

Blue swayers, you need to keep your intake of vegetable based fats (and this includes EPO!!) to a lower % of your overall diet than animal based fats.

If you're a vegetarian or vegan and having a hard time with this please use coconut oil since it's saturated.

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Yep, I think this is mattering more than we knew 6 years ago.

Blue swayers, you need to keep your intake of vegetable based fats (and this includes EPO!!) to a lower % of your overall diet than animal based fats.

If you're a vegetarian or vegan and having a hard time with this please use coconut oil since it's saturated.

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Does being vegan sway strongly pink? It makes sense that more girls would be born if there were no animals around to eat

A good study showed that vegetarians do indeed have more girls than statistically expected. I am unaware of any study that has broken it down further to vegans.

As with everything in swaying this is somewhat complicated by the fact that vegetarians and vegans are usually very into healthy eating and take a lot of care to be eating a very balanced diet and are often taking nutrients and eating lots of fortified foods. Additionally a lot of vegans tend to have a bit more "boy mom" type personalities - they like planning and being in control of every morsel that enters their mouths.

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Yep, I think this is mattering more than we knew 6 years ago.

Blue swayers, you need to keep your intake of vegetable based fats (and this includes EPO!!) to a lower % of your overall diet than animal based fats.

If you're a vegetarian or vegan and having a hard time with this please use coconut oil since it's saturated.

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I'm sorry for the stupid question!! But, what type fat is salad dressing, thousand island to be specific? I'm assuming peanuts are a vegetable fat?? I'm eating full fat milk/cheese/eggs and red meat (at least 6 days a week). But know I'm also getting fats from salad dressing (once a day) and peanuts. Swaying boy, but wouldn't be at all devastated with a girl or I wouldn't be trying for another baby ;)


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You need to look on the label of whatever product you're using to be certain the type of oil that is in them, but most salad dressings will have vegetable or soybean oil (which is actually also considered veg. fat)

Peanuts and nuts are veg. fats

That having been said - remember that nuts and peanuts are still good for blue (and I can assure you you can get boys with a massive nut intake - I did!) you just need to be sure you're getting more animal fats.

Example: Sally takes EPO, has flaxseed smoothies every day, cooks in olive oil and margarine, eats pumpkin seeds and walnuts every day, peanut butter a few days a week, drinks 3 glasses of almond milk a day, is a vegan with higher than average intake of soy foods - even if she takes fish oil still not going to get much animal-based fat

Janie is a vegetarian who doesn't take EPO or have flaxseed. She cooks sometimes with olive oil, sometimes with butter. Eats nuts daily and peanut butter a few times a week. Drinks full fat milk instead of almond milk. Eats cheese and eggs.
No soy foods. Takes fish oil. She's gonna be getting a good level of animal fats even tho vegetarian.

Kristin (hey, that's me) Non vegetarian, eats 1/2 c nuts every day and has peanut butter 2-3 times a week, definitely eats salad dressing and mayonnaise with veg. fats, but eats cheese, butter, full fat yogurt, full fat milk in tea and cereal, 4-6 eggs a week, and meat. She's gonna be getting a good level of animal fats even though not taking fish oil.

There is a lot of individual variance in diet but just laying these out to demonstrate that you can't get hung up on one particular food. it's the big picture.

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That having been said - remember that nuts and peanuts are still good for blue (and I can assure you you can get boys with a massive nut intake - I did!) you just need to be sure you're getting more animal fats.

Example: Sally takes EPO, has flaxseed smoothies every day, cooks in olive oil and margarine, eats pumpkin seeds and walnuts every day, peanut butter a few days a week, drinks 3 glasses of almond milk a day, is a vegan with higher than average intake of soy foods - even if she takes fish oil still not going to get much animal-based fat

Janie is a vegetarian who doesn't take EPO or have flaxseed. She cooks sometimes with olive oil, sometimes with butter. Eats nuts daily and peanut butter a few times a week. Drinks full fat milk instead of almond milk. Eats cheese and eggs.
No soy foods. Takes fish oil. She's gonna be getting a good level of animal fats even tho vegetarian.

Kristin (hey, that's me) Non vegetarian, eats 1/2 c nuts every day and has peanut butter 2-3 times a week, definitely eats salad dressing and mayonnaise with veg. fats, but eats cheese, butter, full fat yogurt, full fat milk in tea, 4-6 eggs a week, and meat. She's gonna be getting a good level of animal fats even though not taking fish oil.

There is a lot of individual variance in diet but just laying these out to demonstrate that you can't get hung up on one particular food. it's the big picture.

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Perfect - thank you! I'm more like Kristin (since starting the sway).


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Thank you so much for this encouragement! I am new around here and have been a bit discouraged reading about blue stats. I have two gorgeous girls but have dreamed of a boy long before I even had children. I know my chances after two girls aren't good as is. By the way, Atomic, do you have a theory or an opinion on why blue percentage goes down after two girls but not three. Can I beat the odds? I always wanted just two kids, but my heart still aches for that little boy.

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Thank you so much for this encouragement! I am new around here and have been a bit discouraged reading about blue stats. I have two gorgeous girls but have dreamed of a boy long before I even had children. I know my chances after two girls aren't good as is. By the way, Atomic, do you have a theory or an opinion on why blue percentage goes down after two girls but not three. Can I beat the odds? I always wanted just two kids, but my heart still aches for that little boy.

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Hey Katie, I'm in the same boat and have also read that article on birth order over on IG aswell. For some reason I find it really hard to shake the idea of being behind the eight ball when I'm already very pink friendly as it is. Feels like pushing water up a hill. Interested to see her response.

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Thank you so much for this encouragement! I am new around here and have been a bit discouraged reading about blue stats. I have two gorgeous girls but have dreamed of a boy long before I even had children. I know my chances after two girls aren't good as is. By the way, Atomic, do you have a theory or an opinion on why blue percentage goes down after two girls but not three. Can I beat the odds? I always wanted just two kids, but my heart still aches for that little boy.

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This sounds like my story... exactly. We are pregnant now and praying this is our boy!


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Thank you so much for this encouragement! I am new around here and have been a bit discouraged reading about blue stats. I have two gorgeous girls but have dreamed of a boy long before I even had children. I know my chances after two girls aren't good as is. By the way, Atomic, do you have a theory or an opinion on why blue percentage goes down after two girls but not three. Can I beat the odds? I always wanted just two kids, but my heart still aches for that little boy.

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I could have written exactly this! Anxious to see the response.

And, welcome!!

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Ladies, who was the article written by? Please don't let any article upset you, there is no laid out pattern to any of your families! The HE and LE diets are excellent at helping people get their desired gender:) Your previous children were letting nature take their course now you should look at it as your next baby being baby1 of you in control of things, stay positive ok:agree: