Opinions needed please!

How sure are you about when you ovulated??

I often see this pattern in charts where there is a rise, then another rise, then sometimes a third rise, even, and only after the second or third "stairstep" does ovulation actually occur.

If you ovulated later (more like what the chart has down as 7-8 DPO) and then that temp dip was the secondary estrogen surge you could be pregnant but just not having the pregnancy register on the test yet. OR it could even be that you haven't ovulated yet and are still fertile - so keep having attempts to guard aganst that potential!

Well I think i did bc of opk, temp, and ewcm but I'm not sure now. My temp went up this morning and I've had lots of watery cm (felt like af a couple of times), cramps and back aches the last couple of days. Also got up to pee at 3 or 4 am the past 2 nights. This is all so weird to me!

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Yes I'm wondering if you might have ovulated later. The pesky thing about false ovulation is that you can have all the normal symptoms but the egg still doesnt get released.

Not out till AF arrives! FXFXFX!

Well af showed her ugly face an hr ago. So I wasn't ovulating late but honestly glad bc if I had, all my swaying would've been wasted! Here's to August and a Mothers day baby! Thanks for all your help and I am sure I will need some in 19 days haha!

Very good! Thanks for updating! Good luck for August!

I am cd18 today and yesterday the opk was some what darker than the day before. Ff has me o'ing on sunday but i am not overly confident as i did end up taking bcp for a week at the beginning of this cycle. We are planning on a 7 day abstain but we had make up sex Monday :oops::oops: so our abstain would be 5/6 days tops. Is it worth skipping over? Also I've noticed my temps are lower than normal this cycle, is there anything to that? It's hard for me to believe that means my egg will be in boy zone just bc of lower temps. Of course my O might delay until Mon or Tues so it's not for sure yet.
On a good note, it's been storming all day yesterday and today and supposed to again Sunday and possibly Monday as well. And I've been taking folate, fiber, and recently took up coffee (helps with homeschooling in the mornings). And of course diet is going very well, I've grown quite used to it really. I don't even have to keep track of calories anymore bc I pretty much know what I can eat and how much. I've used rephresh every 3 days but don't plan to use it closer to O or pos opk day. So I feel like my sway is going well this cycle other than the abstain and temps!

Abstain hasn't worked and I"d never tell anyone to hold off a week for that.

I personally don't buy into the concept that temps predict your baby's gender. It's supposed to be that estrogen = lower temps and more boys conceived but I've seen SOOOO many people who have low temps for 10,000 other reasons other than hormones that I am hard pressed to believe in it at all.

Hey, fellow homeschooler here, and yes coffee is a must LOL. :) Everything else is looking great to me. Good luck and pink dust headed your way.

Thank you so much atomic! I figured there wasn't much to those things! I actually feel better bc I used the chart overlay on f2f and found only 1 rogue temp really (the other low one isn't accurate) and so my temps are probably doing their normal thing. My opk was super negative today and so I am in hopes of o on Monday or Tuesday 😁 I know there isn't much proof in abstain but it's hard to let go of!
Homeschooling is a blessing and a curse lol. It's so hard some mornings when my toddler is not having it (playing by himself) and my older two are grumpy. But that's not every day so I try to enjoy it! It's interesting to think this time last yr my oldest couldn't read yet and now he is reading his own instructions and working independently! It's fun to watch!Attachment 40135

Yeah if anything your temps are higher this month! :)

Argh I meant hold off a cycle, not a week! But I think you understood.

Is there any way you could have jsut ovulated??

Yes it's super challenging when there's a little one that needs so much from you and you're trying to teach (and cook and clean and do all the stuff you need to do any ordinary day) But it does get easier once they're more able to work on their own! Good luck!

I guess its always ppssivle to have already ovulated but i never got a pos opk. Another thing confusing me is that I had some light spotting yesterday afternoon! Just a wipe or two of pinkosh-brown. I guess its not too common but you can spot while ovulating or right before but I never had a positive opk or even close! I was guessing I might get a pos today but not hardly.

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I spotted that big dip so I was wondering if that was O. Unfortunately it's possible to get false negative OPK (happens very often, too) Since your temps did not rise I agree it's not O yet.

Re the spotting, you CAN get spotting around O because your cervix gets very soft. That big dip makes me wonder if your body "thought" about Oing, released some estrogen, which sofens up the cervix and can trigger spotting. I would not be surprised if you O within the next few days.

I am at work (radiology) and the ultrasound tech was called in for an er patient so I asked her to scan me and see if I have a follicle or not. Turns out I have one on the left that's about 1.5 cm (she didn't measure). She guessed in a couple days or so!! That makes me so happy to finally know something and to for sure know I am at least gearing up to O! I don't think I have ever ovulated and fell pregnant from my left side so that's exciting as well.
Tomorrow will be 7 days for our abstain. My dh does not want to wait any longer than the 7 for fear of wet dreams. He wants to start frequent release after we dtd tomorrow since we don't know when I will O for sure and my opks are super light still. Idk what to do! I wish he could hold out longer but he says he can't. He does have a pretty high sex drive so I believe him but i wish he could! Should we start fr (once a day) and then the day I get a pos try to dtd 3 as soon as we can? I'm sure he can once at work and we could fool around at home twice using the last one as the attempt. I really don't think it'll be another week til I o but I guess it could. I initially wanted to attempt tomorrow and start abstain again and if I O before the 7 days we can do the 3x asap thing. But now I am unsure

Please don't switch from abstain to FR. What that does is, for the last week your hubby's "jewels" was thinking there was no sex and so it shut down production. Then all of a sudden he's getting it every day and "jewels" are like "oh wow the dry spell has ended" and cranks production up thru the roof. If he can't go any longer have him clear the pipes once and then resume the abstain. We have found that not having 7-10 days of FR is worse than nothing for many guys. So many of our hubbies when we have all boys are able to shake off 3-4-5 days back to back as if it's nothing and so I really really really don't recommend having u guys switch to FR now, you'll never be able to fit in the 7-10 days.

There is no 3x asap thing. There is the hurry up FR which is having him release once, dump it, then DTD for reals as soon as he's able to using only the second batch for insemination but there is no 3x release in a row thing.

If you must make the switch, go to compressed FR. Have him release 2-3 times a day from now till the day of attempt and then if possible have him even release in the morning of that attempt day (this is hard to hit since you usually won't even know it's attempt day till after the morning has passed). But don't tack a hurry up FR onto that. You'll cut odds of conception to virtually nil doing CFR with a hurry up FR tacked onto the end of it.

I think I will just convince him to go back to abstain. I can see how switching to fr would mess things up! That's why i felt so uneasy about it! I appreciate your info and all. I figure if I ovulate Wednesday thatd be a 2 day cut off and if I O Thursday or Friday we could make another attempt. I doubt it'll hold of til next Sunday or Monday but we will wait that long if so.
I am having pains today like I do around o but last month I had them a week before actually O'ing so who knows!

yep you can get O pains before, during, and after O and they aren't really helpful for pinning down O, unfortunately.

Good luck and pink dust headed your way!

Yea they are worse today so I was hoping for at least a little pink on the opk but there's still barely a squinter! We decided to go back to abstain and do hurry up fr if I get a +opk before Saturday. If we do hurry up fr then I won't j&d to help compensate for low sperm count. If I get a +opk Sat or later we will make a regular attempt. I'm excited! Just waiting for that + now!

can you post a current chart?

Here it is! The last dip I believe to be so low bc I slept with my mouth open!
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Temp + rise may be O! FXFXFX for more rises now

I haven't got a + opk...? And I just got some ewcm today. I am almost pos I haven't o'ed. Nd I really hope not since there won't be a viable attempt if I have ( he pulled out Monday night). Any way my temp went to 97.18 today.

So back down again? Ok then the high temp was probably just a fluke.

But you can ovulate without ever getting a positive OPK. False neg OPK are a real issue, unfortunately.

Yea I believe you. The fluke temps are the low ones, I never have these weird dips! I will keep you updated tho. I got a bunch of ewcm today so expecting o in 2 or 3 days I think!

FXFXFX!!!!

Cd26 today and finally a +opk! We will try hurry up fr tonight I think. Does it greatly decrease chances of pregnancy? I used rephresh Wednesday night so it will be 48 hrs since I used it. What do you think?

Yes, it greatly decreases chances of pregnancy. I would pick either another dose of RepHresh OR the hurry up FR, not both.

I wasn't planning on using rephresh again today but was planning hurry fr...do you think my chances are too much decreased?

As long as you don't do the RepHresh again, you'll be in with a chance. I honestly can't know if it's a good chance or not. Not enough people have conceived with the hurry up FR. What I do know is that many people who have tried hurry up FR have ended up with NO attempt when their husband could not perform a second time!

This is one of those annoying instances where I really don't know what is best, and when I don't, I have to toss the ball back to you. :)

Ugh. I could see that. Especially since he's not feeling the best today. I will just have to make sure with him before trying. 😏 it's been 4 days since we last dtd

FXFXFX for successful attempt and pink dust headed your way.

So kind of confused and bummed. My temps have not been normal and reliable this cycle and my post o temps aren't any better. My temp the day of my + was super low and not reliable as I i had less than 2 straight hrs of sleep. The next 2 days (day of o & after) were accurate but odd as they were 97.33 and 97.68 respectively. Then Monday I worked overnight but temped that afternoon so it as usual is not reliable. And today I slept through the night but I woke up with my mouth open. It was 97.58. What the heck? Ff has me O'ing last Friday but that was the super low day with less than 2 hrs of sleep. And I usually O the after a +. I'm so confused. I feel like I ovulated since the pelvic pain and pressure is gone now. Which is what usually happens for me. What do you think?

If you feel like you've ovulated I would roll with that but if you start having any O-like symptoms, I'd attempt again. Sometimes you can have a faker where your body gears up to O and then 'changes its mind" and the symptoms can be identical to a true ovulation and can go away after it happens for a while, only to reoccur later on with a whole new batch of symptoms.

Thanks atomic. I will keep an eye for o symptoms but I truly do feel like it happened Saturday. I finally got a reliable temp thus morning and it was 98.11! Super high for me! I know it's too early for pregnancy signs but it did make me a lil giddy- can't help it! And I have a ton of creamy cm which I had very early on with my last pregnancy. And last cycle i was dry for most of the 2ww. Haha I know I am grasping at straws!

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Atomic! Looky!
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I'm 11 dpo and just had to test this afternoon. My temps have been crazy high for me plus I was moody, achey, hungry all the time, and starting to be fatigued. And I had a very mild YI which cleared up with yogurt only, no meds.
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Nice! Sooo excited for you!