I want you on only 1000 mg. I think 2000 is too much for most people.
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I want you on only 1000 mg. I think 2000 is too much for most people.
hi again, just wondered what this will do worst case sinario? say i have zero signs of pcos and have started taking 1000mg of myo-iniostol... will i potentially ovulate earlier/later? what effects will it have?
It will do nothing harmful at that intake for you. It might change your ovulation a little. Some people lose tons of weight or if they're taking much higher doses have negative effect but that's why I give it only to certain people in certain amounts.
As per our conversation in private message there is no way you don't have some underlying tendencies with insulin resistance. It's just how the human body works. REgardless of PCOS the myo helps with egg quality and insulin resistance.
If you don't want to take it, don't take it. I am not here to argue or talk you into doing things you don't want to do or taking things you don't want to take. Please leave it out if you have any doubts about it.
Hi atomic no im happy to take it just want to be prepared for potential early ovulation..if that can happen with this
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And i am more then happy to help with egg quality ..! To do anything to help with it if its a issue. Its actually a tasteless powder and im happy taking it at the present :) just wanted to check and be aware of potentially earlier ovulation
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Hi atomic. Another question since i used to have orange juice with 100% vitamin C .. is it ok / recomended i take a vitamin c supplement? Will this help/hinder sway for girl and help/hinder conception? How many mg is recommended?
Thanks so much as ever :)
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I don't recommend Vit. C supplements for pink swayers unless they really really can't give up on the pH idea. i think nutrients tend to sway blue and if you can stand to live without them, that's my preference.
No more than 500 mg max as higher dose C supplements may cause miscarriage.
Hi looking for futher advice.. ff had me as ovulating day 16 now changed its mind and said day 19! Obviously this pits me 'out' this cycle as i stopped trying after day 16.. tbh i just couldnt b bothered to carry on e4/d.
Is also like to add i no longer get positive opks, this is second cycle so its impacting tries so i cant do e4/d and try on positive opk if i never get that positive opk. So what can i do for nxt cycle? I will be cycle 11 nxt month not happy about that now and getting worried.
Also the creamy cm i state as having day 16 was pos watery i remember i wasnt sure what to put it as so went creamy. Cervix today was SHOW (weird!) and super watery and a lot so cause of whole ff changing etc did an attempt today.
thanks for any help :)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f23083dcfd.jpg
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Hi just jumping in here because I seen a question about ff crosshairs. To me your chart is currently looking like you've experienced a fallback rise which is actually quite common and something I personally experienced for many cycles. I would go with o being when you originally thought (cant remember exactly what cd that was) and not what ff has crosshairs on. It may shift again on its own or if its bothering you try changing the analysis method though your settings?
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Hi thank you. I have never had a fallback rise before in 10 cycles so was confused by it. I do know my temps tho and day 16+ and all days after are my post O temps.. so you think cd16 no cd19?
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I would say both are possible but yes personally I'd be leaning more towards cd16 as o day at this stage. It will of course depend on more temps though...
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And I also recall feelong very frustrated at all of a sudden experiencing fallback rises... went from textbook temp rise comfirming o to fallback rise every cycle...
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What are fallback raises? Why would it happen? Could it happen i had a 3dpo temp dip but still O at same point?
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A fallback rise is simy a dip back in temp post o for 1-3 days'ish. I don't know the reasons why, only that it does happen and can at any given time... the pic I've attached shows a couple examples [emoji4]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c2414cc836.jpg
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Thanks for all your help :) :D
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Another pic chart.. so 15-16 temps on high side breaking 98.00 day 14 is typical 97.90 range pre O..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...acf42afb12.jpg
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Well, that's why I do like you guys to keep trying after you think you've ovulated.
So you did try? GREAT! Because I'm not convinced you ovulated yet due to this big temp dip. I often see people have stairstep patterns where their temps go up, then go up, then go up and only afer the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th rise do they finally ovulate!
Because you're so zoomed in on the pic you posted I can't totally get a good picture of the rest of the month - could you repost a larger version so I could see earlier in the month and the temp range on the rt. side of the chart?
Ok see the pic that pbn has posted above?? See how they say "it's also possible that they had a fluke high temp CD 21 and then Oed on CD 22??" I think that is just as likely as a fallback rise so I deffo want you to keep going with the BD now!!
oh and to have another attempt if you aren't getting pos OPK, then you can either have another attempt when u think you are getting close to O (like a big surge of high libido) OR you can just have 2 attempts every 4 days (so you'd BD on Wed, Thurs and then count from Thurs for the E4d, if that makes sense.
My chart this month. Embarrased of it really as such a fail try wise!
See typically i would hover between 97.90/98.00 max pre O the anything 98.20+ is after O..
I only temped from whatever day it was as others were too ill :(
Also where i put EWCM think being bit to generous to cm here as was watery had very! small stretchyness so though ah lets go ewcm cause eek never had even slight smallest bit stretchy also all creamys and creamy on day 16 pretty sure heinsight are watery when im torn between creamy and watery i put creamy and on second thoughts no so sure it was creamy especially not day 16 day 16 i remember really not being sure..!
Attempt wise pls explain again confused!
And atleast i learnt now not to go souly by temps & think broke 98.20 must have O. As like i said in 9 cycles this being 10th i never experienced ithttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d153babc8c.jpg
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It's really important to keep going with attempts even after you think you've Oed.
Start temping after your period ends. Once you get expert in temping you don't have to temp every day any more but beginners need to have more temps than expert tempers do.
I see this type of chart all the time. A dip then small rise, a dip then small rise, and only after the 3rd or 4th dip/rise does O finally occur.
Yep you can't go off temps becuase it is the pattern that matters and not just a temp. Some of us run cooler than others and our overall temp can vary by the month so you have to look at the overall pattern.
What you need to do for attempts is to have sex every 4 days. That way no matter what you will have a chance at the egg. Then if you want to boost chances even more, do the OPK and have one more attempt at positive OPK. OR, you can do the two attempts every 4 days like I mentioned in the previous post!
Hi thank you. Yes learned a bit of a lesson. I have been temping for atleast 7 cycles so do have a good idea now generally of my temps just couldnt do it straight after period as was sick a lot.. for a few days.
I still think there is a greater jump at cd:16 personally but then again i never experienced a fallback raise and dip again at what is either 6dpo or 3dpo
Yes for some reason i now dont get positive opks & think i should come to not expect any positive opks now on..
Thanks for all advice so far..! :)
We had bit of a bad month trying as dh sick after me as well etc.. lol like it was never meant this month which is sad :(
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On second thoughts and remembering this cycle... I had a very close positive on opks on either cd: 14 or 15 it wasnt 100% positive and nothing like my normal positives at all it was is it / isnt it same colour??? but day after that and all before was a straight easy negative as there was no line at all in test line. I just didnt note it as a positive at cd:14 or 15 as i wasnt sure.. but it was closest i seen for 2 cycles.. it was either the friday (think was friday) or saturday as i pressed a attempt on quickly and dh couldnt perform and we got into a small arguement as its typical where if i tell him its time he cant do it.. (need to not tell him its time from now on as he was conviniently fine to perform the sunday and i remember being glad there was no temp jump between to show too late.. wish i had noted it as a positive opk now but like i said i really wasnt sure was a hold up to light is it? isnt it? same colour dunno type positive whereas before i got such obvious positives. But yes all my other negatives i put on chart are so negative there wasnt even a line in test part. Hope that helps some what
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It doesn't matter if it's a greater rise or not. It matters what the overall pattern of the cycle is and comparing the pre-O temps to the post O. I see the stairstep rises far more often than post-O fallbacks.
Some people never get a classic positive on OPK and go off the almost positive instead.
The best rule of thumb is, when in doubt, have attempt. Because at least you'll have had an attempt! But you can also do the things we already talked about instead and not use the OPK if you feel they're just adding confusion.
Hi atomic im on cd:27 right now and starting spotting. IF fallback rise is true & i did ovulated cd:19 not cd:16, but i personally still kinda believe cd:16 more then i am 9 dpo. I have some really bad af cramps (hense went to check cervix got that bad to find pink/red spotting!!)
I think this shows either 1. Fallback rise was false and i am 12 dpo so a normal luteral phase of 12 dpo
And if i did O cd:19 only 9 days lateral phase
Update of chart this morning...
As youll see if O cd:19 only a 9 day latural phase never been so short!
Also temp is still high at 98.40 and i have af now..:(
Cycle no11 begins.
Only thing did different this month was start myo-iniostol and take guafensin for 5 days prior to O.
Opinions, thank youhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e12053deef.jpg
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Hey Atomic,
This is the myo ionistol product i am using. Opinions? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d1a6775348.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d4204d7864.jpg
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Please leave your cervix alone, there's no reason to check it ever.
Do you have a pregnancy test? I think you need to take it before taking the myoinositol this month. You can be pregnant and have what appears to be a period (this actually happened to me personally, not a crazy friend of a friend story). That high a temp deserves a pregnancy test! :)
I still can't tell when you ovulated based on this chart. Either possibility is, well, possible LOL, and it could be that we're all wrong and it was in between then. It's just not that kind of classic chart where we know clearly what transpired.
The good news is, it doesn't matter because of the e4d. No matter what you'll be covered with the e4d. And then if you wanted to try the two attempts when you think you're ovulating (either at positive oPK or just back to back) that will boost your chances even more.
Thanks aromic.
Temps r weird agree. Normally i see typical plummet, however af yesterday and today is so heavy (standard af for first 2 days) i cant see it being a pregnancy.! And if it was id think it wasnt there anymore or theres a problem. (If i make sense).
Ill temp again when isnt heavy as gross.
I figured u was supposed to check cervix area and cm? Reason i checked it when had cramps was cause it was so painful it had to be af, sadly was right.
out of interest why would for example sat,sun, (mon,tue off) wed,thur etc etc. Sway better then just doing every 2 days? Surely over a week you are doing same amount of attempts that way as doing every other day? Just thinking of it from a amount of tries perspective here. :)
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To check further the myo iniostol i take and attached above is fine? Even with folic in it?
I take this, zinc (15mg) and folic acid (400mg)
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I had a massively heavy, 5 day "period" (my normal period is 3 days) and would have sworn on my children's lives that I couldn't possibly be pregnant. But I had a healthy 8 lb baby 9 months later!!
There is NO reason to check cervix or CM unless you're using natural family planning to avoid pregnancy. Your cervix can be easily injured and will bleed a lot at certain times of the month, and if you are pregnant every time you mess with your cervix you run the risk of introducing microorganisms that can cause infection and pregnancy loss.
It doesn't sway better than DTD every 2 days. It is better for odds of conception.
Having sex every other day can easily end up being O-4, O-2, and O Day. In this scenario, O-4 is too early, O Day can be too late, leaving you really with only one viable attempt in the fertile window. Or you end up with O-5, (too early) O-3 (possible, but longshot), O-1 - still really only one attempt. It makes no difference if you have X number of attempts in a week if most of them are too early to do anything. Has nothing to do with swaying, it has to do with improving odds of conception. NOrmally I'd have you do e4d plus another at pos OPK but you aren't getting those, so I was trying to come up with a way for you to boost conception despite not getting the pos OPK.
Thanks again Atomic. Sorry i hate this ttc stuff! Ill check temp again tomorrow and see but seems a long shot but be wow if was so haha :) x
So you think 2 days on 2 days off has better odds then every other day? How would i do that? So for example say starting cd:10/11 (12,13) cd: 14/15 (16,17) cd:18/19 etc...
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Well, I'd prefer you did every 4 days with one additional attempt at positive OPK but I understand that's not going to happen if the OPK aren't working. :)
Yes exactly only I'd start even sooner if possible. If not, that's the very latest I'd leave it.
By doing it that way the CD 10 would cover you thru CD 12, CD 11 would cover thru CD 13, then by the time CD 14 rolls around time for another attempt, if that makes sense. This is not a method I have used much in the past but for someone who needs to boost conception beyond e4d but whom OPK are not working, it makes sense to me.
Hi atomic. Once again ive been met with AF this morning and last months tries we very good. We did -3,-1 and day of O. (In fertile window) i got 3 positive opks have definately ovulated etc. Loosing a bit of will and thinking might not ever happen. On cycle no 12 now. :'(
I am taking 400mg folic
15mg zinc
Myo-ionistol
I think now its all about just conceving i no longer care for if its a boy or girl and i think for some reason sperm isnt getting to egg or something isnt working!! :( My cm is quite acidic when ive taken past tests its been ph 4.
Thanks for any help or advice me! (oh also any supplements recommended for dh?)
Did you continue having every 4 day attempts both before and after you think you ovulated?? If not, do.
What was DH doing for release whne you weren't attempting? Does he do anything like wear tight underwear, ride a bike or jog, is he on any medication?
I'm going to reread our past exchanges and see if anything is jumping out to me.
I would have you add in either guaifenesin OR Preseed this upcoming month.
Is he still on the Wellman's? Some of the stuff in the Wellmans I actually think is harmful to sperm.
It may be time to go to SMEP as per our previous conversation. If you do, then in that case I would NOT add in guaifenesin or Preseed and just do SMEP.
We did every 4 days until got positive opk then i did slip a few extra tries in there cause got bit anxious of no baby so far...
No he doesnt wear tight underwear or anything like that.
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OK ill look into doing SMEP.. is it worth me tho focusing attempts around O instead of all the time? Like SMEP wants 3 days row at +opk and he cannot perform 3 days in a row been there tried it in past.. :(
Is there a supplement worth him taking?
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Can i also ask what is likely "not happening / going wrong" in terms of why not getting pregnant?
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