No, not at all! In fact it's actually better for your sake (and that of your testosterone) to have things in place far in advance and then you can just relax until go-time.
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No, not at all! In fact it's actually better for your sake (and that of your testosterone) to have things in place far in advance and then you can just relax until go-time.
Hi. On the boy diet I have not increased by folic acid from 400ug to 800ug until the last week (that's two pills for me). 1600 seems alot of folic acid (4 pills) compared to what I've been taking, if I only further increase the dose now and take it for two weeks before TTC do you think that will be enough time or does it risk my levels being too low? Thanks
As long as you have two full weeks before you get pg and continue that higher dosage thru the first trimester of pregnancy and then gradually wean off of it, that's fine - not ideal, but fine. I would actually like to see you take 2000.
Taking extra folic acid is MANDITORY for blue swayers because the TTC blue diets deplete your body of folic acid badly. I conceived a baby with a neural tube defect while taking 800 mcg of folic acid - it does happen to real people. I was drinking green tea and eating a good amount of sodium. Please don't worry about it being too much folic, the problem is too little folic, not too much. You just pee out any excess. I was later told to take 4000 by my doctor, when I conceived my DS 4!
I just found your site and wish I found it way earlier! I was going for my attempt this month (I should O in around 10 days). I'm 39 yo and DH is 40, so I'm thinking it'll take more than one month to get preggers. Do you think it is too late to get a plan made? How long does it take to get after payment?
I have two plans to be done so it would def. be by the end of this week!!
I'm 41 myself and helping older moms sway in ways that won't cut down odds of pregnancy is of critical importance to me.
I guess it won't help for this month's BD. But if I don't get preggers (which I'm thinking the odds are not that great, right), would it be enough time for next month's ttc? I just don't want to spend the money if it's too late, KWIM?
Oh I completely understand that!!! :)
Some peopel get lucky and conceive very easily the first month out, while others take a bit longer. You just never know! Good luck!!
I have a question! Ok so it was pretty much been explained to me that timing really does not matter and it is all about environment which makes sense to me. For me...I get EWCM and a positive opk and then O 2 days later. Last time me and DH dtd as soon as I got that positive opk and EWCM which resulted in my DS. Since I was 2 days out from O I would have thought that I would have maybe gotten a girl since its somewhat if a cut-off but my environment was totally boy friendly. Also I wasn't doing anything else to sway so who knows. So this time I am going to do the girl diet and have DH abstain for like 14 days and then we have two options (please tell me what you think is best or what you would do!)
1) We dtd as soon as I get a positive opk but this time use represh to get rid of the EWCM
2) We dtd on ovulation day when the EWCM is gone. It scares me to dtd on O day but I actually think that my environment is better on the day of versus before I O.
What do you all think? :)
I would always advise everyone to TTC at positive OPK because it does not sway in any way, it's easy and relatively stress free, and also gives the best odds of pregnancy.
Use antihistamine to dry up CM and RepHresh to lower pH and it is irrelevant what your typical EWCM patterns are. Also, once you start swayign with diet and supps, your CM patterns can change drastically so it makes no difference what your patterns have been in the past.
I got my DD by BD the day before O (confirmed by ultrasound) and I had EWCM for days afterwards. I had EWCM like 3 days after I ovulated that month.
Good to know! Thanks so much Atomic!!! I will do that then. Sorry if this is a dumb question but what sort of antihistamine is safe to take while ttc? Is benadryle ok to take? It seems like RepHresh and taking an antihistamine would be over kill. Can the sperm really travel and get up there without anything to travel in? I guess I could always just start off with both and if I am not getting pregnant I could drop the antihistamine.
Zyrtec and Benadryl are safe to take while TTC. I tend to prefer Zyrtec only because it's less likely to make you drowsy. Your body still produces some CM even while on antihistamine. For some people, diet and other supps in addition to the antihistamine DID make them too dry, and they dropped the antihistamine after a month or two. But antihistamine alone, rarely dries people up enough to prevent pregnancy.
Most people have been getting pregnant easily while taking antihistamine.
RepHresh does nothing to dry up CM whatsoever. It lowers the pH of your vaginal tract and husband's semen only and makes it harder for sperm to swim into your cervix and beyond. RepHresh can certainly lower your odds of pregnancy, but not because it dries up CM.
How long before doing dtd should I take the zyrtec? As soon as I get the positive opk? :)
If DH and I are trying to sway PINK and are usually more of an "abstain" type couple (could easily let 2 weeks get away from us) - would it be best to try the opposite with FR? Or does that not matter at all?
It's up to you - if you usually get lots of EWCM before O, start it 5 days before O or the first day you notice EWCM, whichever comes first. Don't use it O day or after your attempt.
If your EWCM dries up due to diet or SP, you may want to use it ONLY the day of your attempt.
You can also treat it as a "rescue" method and only use it if you need it - like on the day of your attempt, if you suddenly see lots of EWCM you can use an antihistamine then.
Zyrtec needs to be taken at least 6 hours before attempt (it takes some time to work but lasts for a long time) while Benadryl can be taken 1-2 hours before attempt (works faster but does not last as long.)
If abstain is easy for you, I'd do abstain - provided he is under 35.Quote:
Originally Posted by fourunderfour
thanks atomic.
i wonder if you have any experience with REs??
I know i had mentioned that we used clomid in the past (to achieve 2 pregnancies - 1 m/c), but that b/c I couldn't achieve another pg after the m/c the docs said it has "run it's course" - then put me on follistim and IUI - which resulted in my twin boys.
do you think they'd put me back on clomid if i requested it specifically? do you think they'd think i was "nuts" for saying something about trying to sway pink or could i just say I'd really like to NOT have twins this time (because it is true...:omg:)
to note: it has been 4 years since I've taken clomid (i was not on metformin while doing so...but will be this time)...
i remember reading that FR is best with clomid (so no abstaining for us)...and that vitex and SP are good beforehand?
(i have an appointment at the end of this month for a consultation w an RE and would love to have a 'plan for myself' before i go along with theirs...).
also, i was wondering - do you think that a sway plan would help me - considering my restrictions of PCOS and needing fertility treatments?
I have secondhand experience only - friends/clients who were cycling or on fertility meds. That having been said, it is a pretty extensive secondhand experience.
I think RE's are great and genuinely want to help, but sometimes I think the old adage "Give a boy a hammer and everything he encounters begins to look like a nail" often holds true. They are often in a hurry to escalate to more advanced treatments, in no small part because they really do care and want you to get pregnant as quickly as possible.
Question - did you OVULATE on the Clomid and just not get pregnant, or did you not even ovulate?? If you didn't ovulate on Clomid or if you've been on it longer than 12 months, it has run it's course and you def. need to move to the next level of fertility drugs. If you did ovulate on Clomid and didn't take it that long, and you are under 35 and your FSH levels are ok, I'd float the idea and see what they say, but don't set your heart on the idea. If they say no way, no how, that's fine! You then have the option of doing JUST injectibles or even ask about Femara (Femara is a drug that works similarly to Clomid but may be better for people who've had bad results on Clomid - it's not FDA approved for fertility and would have to be used off-label.) Neither Follistim nor Femara sway pink, but at least they don't sway blue as much as an IUI would. The Metformin will also be working for you.
I wouldn't mention that you want Clomid to sway pink, I think that would go over like a lead balloon!! I would stick to wanting to reduce your odds of twinning and also that you want to try it while on Met to see if that helps.
FR or even skipping frequency patterns all together are best with Clomid. You want to get pg as quickly as you can.
We've had good results with people taking vitex/SP for a month prior to starting the Clomid - so you'd take it month 1 af-af, then stop it CD 1 and switch to Clomid. You can also do this with your follistem/Femara if you were prescribed those instead.
A sway plan is always an option if it makes you feel more relaxed about swaying. I've made plans for people on Clomid in the past.
Here is my history with Clomid. ((in 2006 (can't remember the exact months))
Regular OB prescribed 1 round 50 mg. Ovulated, no pregnancy.
next month 50 mg...no ovulation.
started progesterone to bring on a period, then was bumped to clomid 100mg.
Got pregnant and delivered DS1 in 2007.
In 2008 decided to try for another.
Took progesterone to bring on a period. Clomid 100mg. Pregnant 1st try.
lost baby at 10 weeks gestation.
Waited over 2 months, took progesterone, then clomid 100. No ovulation
progesterone again, bumped to clomid 150mg. No ovulation....
OB sent me to RE. ((so...overall about 6 cycles on clomid, but not consecutive))
RE brought on period with progesterone, gave me directions for follistim pen.
Trigger for ovulation, IUI... BFN
Decided in Nov 2008 to start adoption process.
DS2 came home from Ethiopia March 2010.
MOVED from IL to MD (different REs)
After consultation and testing (HSG, blood work for me and DH, everything checked out fine).
Put on progesterone, started follistim with monitoring (on very low dose)
Had 2 mature follicles and "2 on it's back."
Trigger shot on 7/29.
IUI on 7/31 - my 27th birthday!
BFP...twins - DS 3 & 4
So...yes I have ovulated on clomd, but then I also have not. It's been 4 years since I did a round of clomid.
I believe when I did my initial consultation with the RE here, she saw that the last thing I had done was follistim and IUI so decided to go with that (though trying to convince me that IVF was the better route).
So that's my history.
Can I follow up with some questions?
Though i HAVE gotten my period 3 times in the past 4 months (verrrrrry rare for me), I have no way of knowing when AF will show up or how long it'll be until another will show up. With taking SP and vitex...is it safe to take it for an extended period of time (with an irregular cycle)?
I remember asking one (or more) of my docs about Femara but was told they don't prescribe it b/c it's not FDA approved...but I will ask again at my appt on the 29th.
I'll be 29 in July and DH is 29. He never has or will drink/smoke and his sperm are "champion swimmers" and he's on board with most of this stuff for me - though not a big fan of exercising....... ;)
Oh, and with the exercising - I may have posted a message in that thread, but "while i have you" could I ask if there are alternate forms of pink swaying exercise besides running? We live in the back country with no sidewalks for my older sons to ride their bikes along side me. I have a triple stroller (front to back) that is a BEAST - over 50 lbs, with 3 riders 22-29 lbs a piece...but it is not a jogger (not that I think I could push that load while running anyway)...but would this work to take out for an hour and get the recommended exercise while walking briskly? or will that just be swaying more blue.
Ever hear of good exercise DVDs to purchase? (We no longer have comcast.)
If I do end up with the RE telling me that I need follistim, what would be the important sway factors to look at? You said they don't sway pink - so would I need to take the antihistamine, rephresh? and what about DTD?
Ever hear of Bravelle? Does it sway pink?
I suppose the one good thing about the trigger is you know exactly when you'll ovulate - but if "timing" is debunked, what sort of pink do i have to lean on?
have you done sway plans for anyone with PCOS and on injectables?
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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
1)yeah, if you're not Oing regularly on Clomid, then it's best to do injectibles instead. It's just that a lot of people's RE's push them into IUI without really trying Clomid and I had to ask to make sure what your situation was.
2) I think it's AWESOME you adopted a little guy from Ethiopia! God bless you! ♥
3)Normally with an irregular cycle, I just have people take Vitex and SP for 14 days and then stop. That way you don't end up staying on it for too long. Plus, it seems to work best that way and we've had some ladies even with very kooky cycles who went onto V and SP and things normalized (hope this is true for you too!)
4)Yes, some doctors won't give you Femara. It IS FDA approved, just not for fertility. It's a really good drug and I hope they approve it in the future.
5)any of the dancey cardio exercise tapes (Zumba and Walk away the pounds are two I've used) are GREAT! The only thing you need to look out for is kickboxing or other videos where you go through the motions of fighting - I don't know but I believe it could be true that the motions of fighting could trigger your body to raise T levels. Walking is fine too as long as you do it with some intensity (and I used to have a twin stroller and DANG it was intense pushing that thing!!) and try for the 6-7 days a week, 60 min while losing weight on a low protein diet.
6)I would have you do diet and antihistamine with the Follistim, plus have your husband reduce those champion swimmers with licorice root and abstain. I would just have you BD once, a day before you expected to O. (at least for the first month or two IF you felt good about it.) You still have great odds of pink because it's the journey of the sperm to the egg that seems to sway, and with the injectibles, you can still control that environment. With IUI, you can't.
7)Bravelle is pretty close to the same as Follistim, with a slightly different amount of FSH/LH. So one drug might be better for you depending on your numbers and your doctor will decide which is best based on your pretesting. I don't think either Bravelle or Follistim really sway either direction and haven't been able to find any data on that.
8)I have done plans for people with PCOS but not injectibles.
hi all
does gender swaying (particularly pink) increase your chances of twins if there is a history of them in the family???
Not necessarily and in fact, it may reduce odds of twinning slightly (lower fat diet may mean fewer twins). I have an essay on how to increase odds of twinning, though. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/mult...ing-twins.html
What's the difference between Gender dreaming and A-gender girl sways?? Anyone have experience with both???
A-Gender is pretty similar to what Ingender recommends and you can read a bit about the difference between my approach and InGender here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...sh-anyway.html
I know there are some people on here who have dealt with A-Gender but they are very protective of their information and so it's been kinda difficult to discuss (threats of lawsuits and stuff)
The a-gender site does not work anymore. It has been in "maintenance mode" for over a year now.
Thanks for the replies. I have had some dealings with a-gender. I contacted one of them via email. I was not overly impressed. Charging an absolute fortune ($150au for a diet plan + $199aus for 6 months personalised dates but no follow up with the creators) and would hardly tell me anything and the fact the website was old and not working concerned me too.
Thank you so much atomic for providing another option in swaying that is awesomely priced!!
Someone posted the A-Gender diet "plan" on here (we had to take it down for legal reasons) and I promise you can get more and better info both here and on Ingender for free or for $12 a year (most of my diet stuff is in the Dream Members section because some of the other sway sites have sticky fingers unfortunately, but all the other sway info is free and will remain so.)
You're very welcome, it's my pleasure. :)
Is there any way to tell if hubby may have high sperm count?
What aspects of the diet are important for hubby to do for swaying pink?
Only a test done by a doctor. It's ok, you don't need to know, just do the things that lower sperm count and it will take care of itself!!
Hubby actually doesn't need to do diet, but if he were willing to give up meat and whole eggs and eat more soy foods, that will only help.
Awesome! Thanks atomic :D
Hey! New here! I joined yesterday & filled out both surveys for my custom TTC girl plans. When will I receive my plan? What foods should I eat and which ones should I avoid while I wait for my plans? Thanks!
Random question.......Don't know why my posted time is 5:46 above. It's 6:46 where I live.
Go to Setting, scroll down to DST Corrections and change it to DST Corrections always on. That should correct it.
Hey! New here! I joined yesterday & filled out both surveys for my custom TTC girl plans. When will I receive my plan? What foods should I eat and which ones should I avoid while I wait for my plans? Thanks!
Hi Lilpumpkin, I was just about to message you to let you know I got your questionnaire. Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilpumpkin06
I have one plan I'm working on right now and then yours is next, so I would say within 5 days and probaby sooner.
The Low Everything Diet is available in a short, downloadable version here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/cust...ook-v-1-a.html and then the full in depth version of the LE Diet, plus a bunch of other threads that contain recipes, meal plans and so on are in the Dream Members section here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl/
Hi,
I know that since I am such an obsessive person that I am definitely going to purchase the personalized sway plan when im ready but I have a question? I am not going to try and conceive a little girl until December and I was wondering if charting would help for a better sway plan? Also I charted for both of my boys so would prior charts be helpful as well? I just stopped breastfeeding so I am waiting on my first actual cycle so just wondering of charting from now on would be helpful! Thanks and I can't wait to get started!
The downside of charting is that for some people it can feed "swaycession" and they get so worked up over tracking and obsessing over every little nuance of their charts that it ends up accidentally raising T levels. When I do the sway plans I base nothing off the charts anyway (I think it's easier for people to use OPK) so it seems to me to be a big risk for little payoff.
The benefit of charting is that it does make it easier to know if and when you ovulated (some OPK can be false positives) and for some people, it's an added layer of peace of mind. It's totally your call to make!
Okay... I may chart just for a month or two just to ensure that I am indeed ovulating (I had issues with ovulation prior to my first son and I live in fear of not ovulating again) and than when it comes time to ttc I'll leave it to opk's! Thanks for your help and I just want to let you know your advice and information you give out Is awesome and I'm so glad I find this site! It's awesome that you are willing to help is all try and get our dream genders! Thanks!
Hi there,
I'm a newbie here! I am interested in the sway plan, looks ideal! I saw a post mentioning that ttc a boy should be between sep-nov, does that still stand? Just so I can plan ahead. I realise this was the suggestion for a full on sway.
Thanks in advance!
If you live in the Northern Hemisphere, there is a "boy peak" of conceptions from Sept-Nov - Southern Hemisphere is the opposite, Mar-May for boys. It's certainly not make or break and people conceive boys and girls throughout the cycle. You can read about that here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...s-swaying.html
Thankyou for that, just planning ahead, will have a read over that!