Vegetarian couple ttc a boy in a month, need help and guidance please!

Ok thanks atomic, will look into the brewers Yeast and NYF.

Ok we decided to give this cycle a miss as we were really exhausted and didn't want to risk that being a factor. Should my husband still carry on with the extra zinc and multivitamin? Just incase you said to carry on as we were due to try imminently or is it ok anyway? Also in my multivitamins I have 20 micrograms of vitamin b12 and I am also taking an extra 10 micrograms is this ok? Being as I am vegetarian?

Ok will trial out the preseed when we aren't trying is it ok to use it with a condom?

Also I noticed that when I used my wondfo OPK this cycle at 9pm on CD12 it was positive, i know you said if I wanted to follow the timing method to test in the morning and if it is positive to try that night - on my trying cycle if I have a positive OPK in the evening would it be better to try that evening or wait until the following day in the evening if I want to follow timing? Note before that positive I had the flashing smiley on the clearblue that morning and the wondfo had a faint reading.

You guys don't need to take more than 100% of zinc or B12. Even if you're vegetarian you don't need more than 100% B12. I'm not sure how long your husband has been taking extra zinc but I'd have him wean back off it now.

Yes you can use Preseed with a condom as far as I'm aware. (most people on this site don't use condoms so I admittedly don't have much experience with that).

Hmm, I think we may have had a miscommunication. OPK are usually best used after lunch, with the exception of Clearblues which can be used in the morning. So whether you get the OPK in the morning or afternoon, if you are NOT using timing, or ARE using timing and are ok with attempt O-1, have an attempt THAT DAY. Do not wait till the next day.

If you must use timing as strictly as you seem to want to, I guess you could wait till the next day, but you run a very real risk of ending up with the dreaded one attempt (because if you O early on that next day, only the first attempt will show up to fertilize the egg. We have had way more girls with one attempt, even spot on O, than boys.

Hi atomic, my husband started the extra zinc 2 months ago, I started the extra vitamin b12 just over a month ago - how should we wean off this? We haven't had it today, shall we take it tomorrow and then aim to come off it within a week? We are planning to try to concieve in a month hopefully if that matters.

Oh sorry thanks for clarifying I misunderstood. In this case though it wasn't until the evening at 9pm that I got the positive on the wondfo OPK not in the afternoon, would you still advise to try that evening?

No, give it more like 3 weeks to a month even. Just space the doses further and further out till down to one per week, then you can drop them.

the answer to your second question is a little more complicated. My personal belief is that you should have attempt that night, but I know timing is super important to you. Unless you have reason to believe you would have gotten the positive test sooner (say, your urine was really diluted) then you might want to wait till the next day in case it's a little premature. Your choice on that. Depends on how desperate you are to do timing.

Ok thanks atomic. We have taken them today after 2 days, and i was thinking to take them again after 3 days, then take after 4 days and so on - so basically add an extra day til we take them each time. Is this ok?

Ok thanks I will bear that in mind. So from all the studies you have come across timing doesn't matter for a boy?

Yes that's perfect for weaning off.

Yes, according to all modern science (any site that says otherwise is using old studies from 40-50 years ago, or "studies" done by people selling gender swaying methods that are totally misleading) timing does not sway. I have 3 of my 4 boys with girl timing and my girl with boy timing. I have the full case against timing and swaying here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...trouble+timing

Again, it's fine if you want to use timing. But it is important that you not rely on the one attempt for a boy (OR do anything such as starting attempts so late you will only have one attempt before the egg dies/is fertilized). Number of attempts, much to our surprise, was a strong predictor of gender and one attempt has been very pink friendly

Hi atomic, ok thanks, over how long have you noticed the number of attempts is a factor as in how long has this site been running to find this?

After the first two years. The first year we did not know that number of attempts had anything to do with swaying whatsoever (no one had even guessed at this). Just from sheer coincidence, we happened to track our numbers on that. We had absolutely HORRIBLE results for pink swayers during that time (barely better than 50-50). In addition, we also found that many blue swayers who did one attempt went on and on for many months not getting pregnant, gained massive amounts of weight, saw large disruptions in their menstrual cycle because they gained weight, and the majority of that group who did not get pregnant quickly ended up having girls, even though they still did timing methods.

We realized that of our pink swayers, everyone who had one attempt was having 70-75% success rate, and those who had 3 attempts was at 45% (meaning they had 65% BOYS) and this was even with full pink sways! 2 attempts was right in the middle, not as pink friendly as one, better than three. So we quickly changed our methods for pink, doing just one attempt, and we saw our success rates turn around IMMEDIATELY, going from a very poor 58% all the way up to 70% or better.


From then on we have focused on 3 attempts for blue, one attempt for pink, and our results have been consistently good ever since. That's going on nine years now.

Once I noticed this, I was able to see some trends in studies done that also seemed to indicate number of attempts may be swaying. Dr. Shettles claims are over 50 years old, the man died twenty years ago, we have technology that indicates very clearly indicates that the stuff he claimed about X and Y sperm was totally incorrect.

But again, if you believe in timing, you can still do it, just with the three attempts. That's why we came up with the OPK method to begin with.

Thanks for explaining this atomic much appreciated.

I have 2 English teas with milk in a day, would decaffeinated tea be better? Is caffeine really bad for a blue sway?

Also if I get pregnant are there any vitamins which i am taking which would be unsafe to take? The multivitamin I know can be taken in pregnancy, the other supplements are:

probiotic
Extra folic acid 400 microgram(I take 800 microgram in total including the multivitamin)
Vitamin D (1200 IU In total including multivitamin)
algae omega 3,
Obviously the extra B12 I am weaning off.

A small amount of caffeine like that is absolutely fine.

Just continue that stuff during pregnancy. It's all good!

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But again, if you believe in timing, you can still do it, just with the three attempts. That's why we came up with the OPK method to begin with.

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OPK method as in to do the 3 attempts once the OPK is positive? Sorry I overlooked this message yesterday

Yes, or three attempts late on O-1 thru O day if your cycle is regular

Thankfully my cycle is quite regular. So in that case you mean a morning and evening attempt the day before ovulation and 1 attempt on ovulation day?

Also in terms of exercising is the purpose of that to stop people gaining too much weight on the HE diet?

My husband is having a pretty intense time at work this month, is that good or bad for a boy sway?

Most people do an attempt at night O-1 and two attempts on O Day.

Exercise while eating more calories and protein means you will be building muscle which helps raise your testosterone levels. That is why you do exercise. Yes, it does also help prevent extra weight gain but that's not the reason.

We don't know how male stress sways. We just don't have any data on that.

Thanks Atomic, I am doing 2 weight training sessions a week, and aim for 1 or 2 cardio sessions on the crosstrainer a week - would cardio also help to increase testosterone?

Ok in terms of stress and condition would you say a woman's state would have more of an impact?

Oh sorry I started to answer this, then my husband needed the computer!

Too much cardio will lower testosterone. But you can do up to 45 minutes of cardio 4-5 days a week (as long as you're eating the HE Diet) to keep weight from accumulating. That level of cardio will help because your body will still be growing muscle from that.

What you are describing - 2 weight sessions, 2 cardio sessions (provided they are 45 minutes or less) that is great for a blue sway.

Stress is a complicated thing. You (or DH) can have stress that is terrible from bad things happening, feeling like you have no control, that is causing you physical side effects that harm your condition and your fertility negatively. That would sway pink. But there's this other kind of stress that comes from taking on challenges and overcoming them. The feeling of stress you may experience, is much the same, but that doesn't mean that they both sway the same. So I really can't answer your question about stress. In some cases, it's bad, in others likely beneficial, and we do not know how it works for men.

No problem thanks atomic.

I tend to do 30-40 mins of the cross trainer cardio so will stick with that thanks.

I got some nutritional yeast flakes is the below ok?

https://www.ocado.com/products/marig...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

Yes that's fine! :)

Ok thanks atomic. I had some pain on my left side last night possibly ovulation pain I don't know, what are your views on 'ovulation pain' and how imminent ovulation may be? Also can the side that you have the pain on have any link with the gender if you concieve?

You can have O pains before, during, and after ovulation. They are NOT caused solely or even often at ALL by the egg emerging from the ovary (in some cases, O pains are actually relieved by ovulation, like popping a ripe zit.) Instead, they're caused by the swelling pain of the ovary as it develops eggs, the Falllopian tube cramping to move the egg down into the uterus, the fluid that comes from the corpus luteum hitting the fimbria of the tubes, and your body absorbing the unovulated eggs. These things do not coincide with the moment of ovulation like people assume they do.

Your ovaries develop eggs on both sides every month. 15-30 of them (which is a LOT!) This can cause O pains to happen on either side, and in many cases people feel worse pain on the side the egg does not come from as nothing happens to release the pressure.

I have talked to into the 10's of thousands of people by now and have had hundreds of reports where people swore to me they felt ovulation pains only to end up never having ovulated, and others who told me they felt O pains on one side only to have an ultrasound proving they ovulated from the other side! I myself have epic ovulation pains and it's not uncommon for me to have them starting CD 3-5 and going all the way through till a few days after ovulation. I've also had O pains in months I never ovulated (so like I had them CD 14 but then never ovulated for months after that) There's just no rhyme or reason to them.

Ok thanks atomic for the clarity.

We are planning to have our first attempt tonight as my OPK was positive this morning. I am feeling nervous about it, it affected my sleep last night so I have napped a bit in the day to try and make up for some of it. My test is positive a day earlier compared to normal, I could see a slight darkness in the OPK yesterday evening but it wasn't positive which probably caused my nerves to shoot up as i knew it will likely be positive today!

Good luck and tons of blue dust headed your way!

Thanks Atomic 😊

Preseed is something we are planning to use, do you know if there are any risks associated with using it? Have a lot of blue swayers used it? Just wandering if there have been any effects on how pregnancies have developed that you are aware of?

As far as we know Preseed is safe. It has been extensively tested for safety.

Yes, many many people have used it, not only swayers but people trying to conceive.

The Preseed will be long gone from your body by the time any new pregnancy is capable of being harmed by it. And it really cannot get up inside where the sperm meets egg, it just isn't possible.

Thanks Atomic. I guess what I was getting at is does it make it easier for not so healthy sperm to get to the egg?

Also after having intercourse I was planning to stay on my front after we finished in doggy with a pillow underneath my tummy for 15 minutes, then go on my back for 15 minutes is this ok? I would then try and sleep without going to the toilet as I don't want everything to come out. As I am using preseed are you meant to urinate after or can you go to sleep? I am just wandering about risk of infection?

Also how much time are you meant to leave in between attempts is there a set amount? We tried around 10pm at night and again around 7am this morning is this ok?

Again, it's extensively tested for safety, including testing for things like increased rates of miscarriage and such.

Preseed has actually been shown to be INFERIOR to your body's natural CM (though it's still better than any other lubricant on the market), so if anything fewer unhealthy sperm could get through.

Yes, laying on your belly and then on your back after sex is fine. Preseed is sterile and actually less likely to cause infection than semen (and just having sex itself, because the genitals are covered with microbes that get moved around during sex)

As a general rule it's always good to urinate before and after sex for the sake of preventing UTI but when TTC obviously we can't always do that. Urinate before sex and then lay flat after. The Preseed should not make you any more likely to have UTI than anything else though (unless you were allergic to it or somethign but you'd quickly figure that out)

As long as you're in the fertile window you can have attempts however close you want. You don't need to give it time for the sperm count to recover because all the sperm have a chance of surviving, so you aren't trying to make it just the one hugest batch of sperm ever, if that makes sense.

To illustrate - with one Shettles attempt you're trying to get as many sperm as you can in one shot. Let's call this 30 million sperm.

But if you're having three attempts, your first batch can be 30 million, your second batch might be 20 million, and the third might be 10 million - but you're STILL going to be in with far more sperm and all those sperm have a good chance of surviving because of the EWCM. No matter what you're still going to have way more sperm than one attempt.

Thanks so much for your reply Atomic. We are planning our 3rd attempt tonight, do we need any more attempts this cycle? This will mean we have had 0-1 attempt at night, and 0 - 2 attempts AM and PM

Yes I'd continue on thru O Day - so on O Day I'd attempt at least once, and maybe even the day after if you're in any doubt about what day you will ovulate. Having an attempt the day after will guard against delayed ovulation.

Ok thanks for such a quick reply Atomic. What's the situation with exercise around the time of ovulation? Are you meant to carry on as normal? I have just finished a workout on the cross trainer and thought hope the motion of exercise doesn't affect what the swimmers are doing in there? It was 8.20pm when I finished the workout and we attempted at around 7am this morning. We will try again this evening, and possibly tomorrow aswell

Also my basal body temperature I had to check about 40 minutes earlier this morning to the time I usually do because we had to have our attempt, do you know if this will affect the accuracy of the temperature reading? If you don't do it at the exact same time each day?

Yep, I would just carry on as normal. People used to have to work very hard all thru their lives, if some exercise could prevent pregnancy the whole human race would have died out a long time ago. The only thing that could possibly matter was if you jumped up right after and exercised but even that is a long shot.

Yes, it can affect your temp to test at a different time of day, make a note on your chart that it may not be accurate. you can usually still discern the pattern.

Ok thanks atomic. We didn't manage to get the evening attempt in yesterday 😞 I don't know if I used slightly more preseed than I should have my husband found it hard to finish.. the amount I used was fine for the 1st 2 attempts.

Is it really bad for a blue sway that we only did 2 attempts? So we did one the evening of my positive test, and 1 the following morning which is likely to be the day of ovulation

It's not uncommon for there to be an issue with the Preseed making things too slippery. Use less next time esp. for the last attempt.

I do think you guys should try to get in another attempt if possible. Three attempts was quite a lot better than two.

Thanks so much for your reply Atomic. We will try again tonight hopefully, I am concerned what if I have already ovulated and another attempt won't count now :(

Update: thankfully we managed to try this eve just after 8.30pm didn't want to leave it too late in the day, during the day wasn't possible, so in all we did the following attempts this cycle:

Day of positive OPK: evening attempt
Day of ovulation (assuming): morning attempt, like I said it didn't happen in the evening.
Day after ovulation: we tried in the morning again it didn't happen so just got the 8.30pm attempt in.

Does this look ok to you atomic?

Also if the OPK test lines are faint does that mean you have already ovulated?

Thanks so much for everything I really do appreciate all your help

I can't say if it was two or three attempts but either way definitely better than ONE! :)

No, faint lines on the OPK does not mean you've ovulated. The hormone and ovulation are only indirectly linked. You'll ovulate an average of 24-36 hours after the first positive, whether or not your test is still positive at that time or not. But ovulation can sometimes be more like 48-72 hours (again, even if test is negative at this point) which is why I advise you guys to have another attempt to guard against delayed ovulation.

Do you mean you advise us to have another attempt now or were you saying that this is why you advised an extra attempt before to guard against delayed ovulation? Please see screenshot below, the last 2 days as you can see the temperature has risen and I took my temp at the same time, does that mean I have already ovulated? Also fertility friend has my ovulation date wrong as on CD 11 my test was negative, it was the following day that it was positive again. There was a slight variation on times I took the temps on CD 11, 12 and 13 due to 1 of our attempts and my child waking up, I don't know if it is because of this? What are your thoughts on the chart?

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Both. If there's any doubt in your mind you haven't ovulated yet then have another attempt. And in the future, try to get in the extra attempts if you possibly can.

FF is wrong about your O day. The one high temp there is probably just a fluke throwing it off. I suspect if you see a big temp rise in the next few days it may recalculate that for you,

Thanks so much for getting back to me so quickly atomic . Ok thanks for future reference, on top of the evening attempt on the day of positive OPK, ovulation day (AM and PM attempts) originally planned, what other extra attempts would you advise?

Do you mean you think that high temp on CD12 may be a fluke?

Also please take a look at the screenshot below. I was woken 25 minutes earlier today than I usually wake up to take the temperature, by my child's coughing. I tried not to move much to avoid my temperature reading being affected. Will this have affected the reading being awake this long before taking the temperature? Also i accidentally checked it 5 minutes before I have been doing the last couple of days and it was 36.60. I checked it again after the 5 minutes and it was 36.64 so I adjusted it to this on the fertility friend app.

All these months I have been able to document my temperatures more accurately its typical that this wasn't the case on my trying cycle. Any ideas on when I may have ovulated? According to OPK I thought it may be on CD13 as I had a positive test the day before.

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Hi atomic, sorry I don't know if you have seen the below message?

Augh, I'm sorry I think my husband closed my computer on me! You should always let me know if you don't hear from me in a reasonable amount of time.